Double-DNFs

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 13 Jun 2013, 21:30

I'm listing all the teams that brought neither car to the finish, race by race, starting with 2000 because I'm more into the modern era.
A double-DNF is when both cars retire, even if one is classified as they have completed 90% of the race distance. Teams that have both cars disqualified or have one car retire and the other disqualified will also be counted. I will not count teams that have one car retire but the other is not classified as they are in theory still running at flag-fall e.g. Williams in Brazil 2005. A double-DNF will also count if only one car starts the race and that car retires.

2000

Australia: Jaguar/Arrows/McLaren/Jordan/Sauber (5)
Brazil: Prost/Jaguar/McLaren (3)
San Marino: Jordan/William/Prost (3)
Britain: Arrows/BAR (2)
Spain: Arrows (1)
Europe: Jordan/Williams/Jaguar/BAR (4)
Monaco: Arrows/Williams/Minardi/Jordan (4)
Canada: Prost (1)
France: Arrows (1)
Austria: Jordan/Arrows/Prost (3)
Germany: Benetton/Prost (2)
Hungary: Prost (1)
Belgium: Prost (1)
Italy: Jaguar/Jordan (2)
USA: Williams/Arrows (2)
Japan: Prost (1)
Malaysia: Williams/Minardi (2)

Team Double-DNFs
Prost 8
Arrows 7
Jordan 6
Williams 4
Jaguar 4
McLaren 2
BAR 2
Minardi 2
Benetton 1
Sauber 1
Ferrari 0
Ferrari were the only team not to record a double-DNF in 2000 and Prost topped the unreliability podium with 8 double-DNFs, with Arrows and Jordan not far behind.

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 14 Jun 2013, 04:47

My eyes nearly popped out when I saw Minardi having the same no. of double DNFs as McLaren.

If only they had such stable reliability in Nurburgring '99. Luca Badoer wouldn't have been worshipped as a hero on the Jean-Denis Deletraz forum.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 14 Jun 2013, 06:49

Sauber did not have a double DNF at Australia 2000. Salo finished but was disqualified due to a technical infringement.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 14 Jun 2013, 14:29

eurobrun wrote:Sauber did not have a double DNF at Australia 2000. Salo finished but was disqualified due to a technical infringement.

Agreeable comment. But then you are suggesting that McLaren didn't have a double DNF in Brazil 2000.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 14 Jun 2013, 15:05

2002

Australia: BAR/Renault/Sauber/Jordan/Arrows (5)
Malaysia: McLaren/Minardi (2)
Brazil: Arrows/BAR/Sauber (3)
San Marino: Toyota/Jordan/Arrows/Jaguar (4)
Spain: Jaguar/Jordan/Renault (3)
Austria: Jaguar/Sauber/BAR (3)
Monaco: Toyota/BAR (2)
Canada: Jaguar/Toyota (2)
Europe: None (0)
Britain: Toyota/Minardi/Arrows/Renault (4)
France: Jordan/BAR/Toyota (3)
Germany: Minardi/Jaguar/Arrows/Renault/BAR (5)
Hungary: None (0)
Belgium: Minardi/Renault (2)
Italy: Williams (1)
USA: Minardi (1)
Japan: BAR (1)

Team Double-DNFs
BAR 7
Jaguar 5
Minardi 5
Arrows 5
Renault 5
Toyota 5
Jordan 4
Sauber 3
Williams 1
McLaren 1
Ferrari 0

BAR's reliability was c**p in 2002, largely thanks to the pyrotechnic Honda engine and there were 7 races in which both cars retired.
Ultimately, for the third year in a row, Ferrari were the only team in the entire field not to have a race in which neither car finished.

Making this post has been a nightmare.
1) I accidentally deleted 2002 just before I completed it, so I had to do it all over again
2) I have also accidentally deleted 2001 :evil:

, but hopefully i'll be bothered to do it for a second time

Post by **Londoner** » 14 Jun 2013, 15:10

I find it interesting that Prost's only double-DNF of the year came at the first race where Alesi wasn't in the car.

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 14 Jun 2013, 16:37

Who could forget the classic double DNF of the Arrows team at Spain 1998.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTr3BaDkow0

(see 3:03 minutes into video)

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 14 Jun 2013, 21:14

2001

Australia: Williams (1)
Malaysia: Sauber/BAR (2)
Brazil: Arrows/Jaguar/Williams (3)
San Marino: Minardi (1)
Spain: Jaguar (1)
Austria: Jordan/Benetton/Williams/Minardi (4)
Monaco: Williams/Jordan/Minardi (3)
Canada: Benetton/BAR/Arrows (3)
Europe: Arrows/Jordan (2)
France: None (0)
Britain: None (0)
Germany: Jaguar/Sauber/Jordan/McLaren (4)
Hungary: Prost/Benetton/Minardi (3)
Belgium: Jaguar/Sauber (2)
Italy: McLaren/Arrows (2)
USA: Minardi/Williams (2)
Japan: Jaguar (1)

Team Double-DNFs
Williams 5
Jaguar 5
Minardi 5
Jordan 4
Arrows 4
Sauber 3
Benetton 3
McLaren 2
BAR 2
Prost 1
Ferrari 0

Williams, Jaguar and Minardi are all tied with 5 double-DNFs, but as in 2000, Ferrari were the only team not to record a double-DNF.

Hound55 · Post by **Hound55** » 15 Jun 2013, 03:53

ibsey wrote:Who could forget the classic double DNF of the Arrows team at Spain 1998.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTr3BaDkow0

(see 3:03 minutes into video)

That's hilarious! I never knew about that!

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 17 Jun 2013, 10:46

2003

Australia: Jordan/Toyota/Jaguar (3)
Malaysia: Jaguar (1)
Brazil: Minardi/Jaguar/FERRARI !!! (3)
San Marino: Minardi/Jordan (2)
Spain: McLaren (1)
Austria: Sauber (1)
Monaco: BAR/Jaguar/Minardi (3)
Canada: Sauber/BAR/Jordan (3)
Europe: McLaren/Toyota (2)
France: Renault (1)
Britain: None (0)
Germany: Jordan/Jaguar (2)
Hungary: Jordan (1)
Italy: Toyota (1)
USA: BAR (1)
Japan: None (0)

Team Double-DNFs
Jaguar 5
Jordan 5
BAR 3
Toyota 3
Minardi 3
McLaren 2
Sauber 2
Ferrari 1
Renault 1
Williams 0

For a change, Williams were the only team without a double-DNF, while Ferrari fell foul in Brazil, the first time neither car failed to finish since Belgium 1998. Ford-powered teams Jaguar and Jordan had 5 each.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 18 Jun 2013, 08:34

2004

Australia: None (0)
Malaysia: None (0)
Bahrain: McLaren (1)
San Marino: Jordan (1)
Spain: Minardi/Jordan (2)
Monaco: Jaguar/McLaren (2)
Europe: McLaren (1)
Canada: Renault/Williams/Toyota (3)
USA: Jordan/Sauber/Jaguar/Williams (4)
France: Minardi (1)
Britain: None (0)
Germany: None (0)
Hungary: None (0)
Belgium: Minardi/BAR/Williams (3)
Italy: None (0)
China: None (0)
Japan: None (0)
Brazil: None (0)

Team Double-DNFs
Williams 3 (2)
McLaren 3
Jordan 3
Minardi 3
Jaguar 2
BAR 1
Renault 1
Sauber 1
Toyota 1 (0)
Ferrari 0

Ferrari and Toyota were the only teams in 2004, but as Toyota got both cars DSQ'ed in Canada, I'm (controversially?) counting that as a double-DNF, leaving Ferrari as the only team once again. Remarkably, after France only one race had a team record a double-DNF and that was the classic race in Belgium.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 21 Jun 2013, 13:17

2005

Australia: BAR (1)
Malaysia: BAR (1)
Bahrain: BAR (1)
San Marino: Minardi/BAR (2)
Spain: Minardi/Sauber (2)
Monaco: Red Bull (1)
Europe: None (0)
Canada: Renault/BAR (2)
USA: None (0)
France: Minardi (1)
Britain: None (0)
Germany: None (0)
Hungary: Red Bull (1)
Turkey: Williams (1)
Italy: None (0)
Belgium: None (0)
Brazil: None (0)
Japan: None (0)
China: Minardi (1)

Team Double-DNFs
BAR 5
Minardi 4
Red Bull 2
Renault 1
Williams 1
Sauber 1
McLaren 0
Ferrari 0
Toyota 0
Jordan 0

BAR's horrendous issues and dirty tricks caused 5 double-DNFs in the early races of the year. Over the course of the season though, Minardi had the most problems with reliability and had four. At the end of the V10 era, reliability was at its strongest and all the cars finished at the straining Monza track. Four teams bought at least one car to the finish in 2005. They were McLaren, Ferrari, Toyota and Jordan.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 24 Jun 2013, 05:54

BAR had a horrendous first few races in 2005. Wow...

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 24 Jun 2013, 16:30

go_Rubens wrote:BAR had a horrendous first few races in 2005. Wow...

Not only that, IIRC they then got done for cheating (a fuel tank irregularity) after the 2005 San Marino GP and were forced to miss the Spainish & Monaco races as well.

Also IIRC they had retired from the Australian Grand Prix a lap from the end, in order to have fresh engines for the next race, Malaysia. Then at Sepang, both BAR's retired on the second lap of the race, from massive engine failures. If that isn't irony, then I don't know what is.

Have to feel especially sorry for Davidson, who was substituting for Sato (who was forced to withdraw with a fever) at that particular race. Ant's big break went up in smoke after only 2 laps.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 25 Jun 2013, 10:06

2006

Bahrain: None (0)
Malaysia: Williams/Red Bull (2)
Australia: Ferrari/Williams (2)
San Marino: Super Aguri/Red Bull (2)
Europe: Red Bull/Super Aguri (2)
Spain: Toro Rosso (1)
Monaco: Williams (1)
Britain: None (0)
Canada: Super Aguri (1)
USA: Super Aguri/McLaren/BMW/Midland (4)
France: Honda (1)
Germany: Williams/Super Aguri/BMW/Midland (4)
Hungary: Williams/Renault (2)
Turkey: Midland (1)
Italy: None (0)
China: Toyota (1)
Japan: None (0)
Brazil: Williams/Toyota

Team Double-DNFs
Williams 6
Super Aguri 5
Red Bull 3
Midland 3
BMW 2
Toyota 2
Renault 1
Ferrari 1
McLaren 1
Honda 1
Toro Rosso 1

Remarkably, in the first year of the V8 engine, every single team double-DNFed in 2006, even Renault and Ferrari. Of course, Williams had the worst car in terms of finishing records, including Monaco when both cars had a shot at the podium. Newcomers Super Aguri were also dismal.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 25 Jun 2013, 21:12

2007

Australia: None (0)
Malaysia: Spyker (1)
Bahrain: Toro Rosso/Red Bull/Super Aguri (3)
Spain: Toyota/Toro Rosso (2)
Monaco: Spyker (1)
Canada: Toro Rosso/Spyker (2)
USA: None (0)
France: Toro Rosso (1)
Britain: Toyota/Toro Rosso (2)
Europe: Toro Rosso/Spyker (2)
Hungary: None (0)
Turkey: None (0)
Italy: None (0)
Belgium: None (0)
Japan: Williams/Super Aguri (2)
China: None (0)
Brazil: Renault/Spyker/Honda (3)

Team Double-DNFs
Toro Rosso 6
Spyker 5
Toyota 2
Super Aguri 2
Renault 1
Williams 1
Red Bull 1
Honda 1
McLaren 0
Ferrari 0
BMW 0

Only the top-3 teams got at least one car to the finish in every race of 2007, while on the other hand Toro Rosso somehow had unreliability that was so bad that in the 8-race stretch from Bahrain to Europe they got neither car to the finish on 6 occasions. Of course, Liuzzi was enduring 9 consecutive retirements at the time. Spyker were also poor, with 5 double-DNFs.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 26 Jun 2013, 08:03

2008

Australia: Force India/Toro Rosso/Super Aguri/Honda/Red Bull/Toyota/Ferrari (7)
Malaysia: Toro Rosso (1)
Bahrain: None (0)
Spain: Toro Rosso/Renault (2)
Turkey: None (0)
Monaco: Force India (1)
Canada: Force India/Renault (2)
France: None (0)
Britain: Force India (1)
Germany: None (0)
Hungary: None (0)
Europe: None (0)
Belgium: None (0)
Italy: None (0)
Singapore: None (0)
Japan: Force India (1)
China: None (0)
Brazil: None (0)

Team Double-DNFs
Force India 5
Toro Rosso 3
Renault 2
Ferrari 1
Toyota 1
Red Bull 1
Honda 1
Super Aguri 1
McLaren 0
BMW 0
Williams 0

Ferrari-powered Force India and Toro Rosso had the most double-DNFs, STR enduring all 3 in the early races of the season. The season opener in Australia led to the only double-DNFs of the year for teams Ferrari, Toyota, Red Bull, Honda and Super Aguri. British teams McLaren and Williams and German team BMW had near perfect reliability.

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 26 Jun 2013, 08:11

ibsey wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:BAR had a horrendous first few races in 2005. Wow...

Not only that, IIRC they then got done for cheating (a fuel tank irregularity) after the 2005 San Marino GP and were forced to miss the Spainish & Monaco races as well.

Also IIRC they had retired from the Australian Grand Prix a lap from the end, in order to have fresh engines for the next race, Malaysia. Then at Sepang, both BAR's retired on the second lap of the race, from massive engine failures. If that isn't irony, then I don't know what is.

Have to feel especially sorry for Davidson, who was substituting for Sato (who was forced to withdraw with a fever) at that particular race. Ant's big break went up in smoke after only 2 laps.

Don't forget that they have to miss USA too because they used Michelins.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 26 Jun 2013, 08:12

FMecha wrote:Don't forget that they have to miss USA too because they used Michelins.

I've not included Indy because the teams with Michelins withdrew before the start of the race, not after.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 26 Jun 2013, 18:33

good_Ralf wrote:
FMecha wrote:Don't forget that they have to miss USA too because they used Michelins.

I've not included Indy because the teams with Michelins withdrew before the start of the race, not after.

They did the formation lap, I'd count them if I were you

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 26 Jun 2013, 18:48

takagi_for_the_win wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:
FMecha wrote:Don't forget that they have to miss USA too because they used Michelins.

I've not included Indy because the teams with Michelins withdrew before the start of the race, not after.

They did the formation lap, I'd count them if I were you

Doesn't count I'm afraid. If you 'retire' on the formation lap it goes down as a non-starter. For example, Schumacher's Ferrari imploded on the formation lap at France 1996 but he wasn't put down as retiring, he was classed as a non-starter.

Same applies for Indy. The teams didn't take the start, so are a non-starter.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 26 Jun 2013, 18:51

takagi_for_the_win wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:
FMecha wrote:Don't forget that they have to miss USA too because they used Michelins.

I've not included Indy because the teams with Michelins withdrew before the start of the race, not after.

They did the formation lap, I'd count them if I were you

The formation lap comes before the start of the race. Ergo, retiring on the formation lap means they didn't start the race.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 26 Jun 2013, 21:06

AdrianSutil wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:I've not included Indy because the teams with Michelins withdrew before the start of the race, not after.

They did the formation lap, I'd count them if I were you

Doesn't count I'm afraid. If you 'retire' on the formation lap it goes down as a non-starter. For example, Schumacher's Ferrari imploded on the formation lap at France 1996 but he wasn't put down as retiring, he was classed as a non-starter.

Same applies for Indy. The teams didn't take the start, so are a non-starter.

Ah ok, my bad

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 26 Jun 2013, 21:13

Technically not a double DNF, either, but another classic at the beginning; and Barrichello even scored points after this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC6WVuojmRc

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 27 Jun 2013, 12:57

2009

Australia: McLaren/Ferrari (2)
Malaysia: None (0)
China: None (0)
Bahrain: None (0)
Spain: Toro Rosso (1)
Monaco: None (0)
Turkey: None (0)
Britain: None (0)
Germany: None (0)
Hungary: None (0)
Europe: None (0)
Belgium: Renault (1)
Italy: None (0)
Singapore: Toro Rosso (1)
Japan: Toro Rosso (1)
Brazil: Williams (1)
Abu Dhabi: None (0)

Team Double-DNFs
Toro Rosso 3
McLaren 1
Ferrari 1
Williams 1
Renault 1
Brawn 0
Red Bull 0
Toyota 0
BMW 0
Force India 0

With relaibility reaching near unprecedented levels, Toro Rosso, with two youthful drivers later on in the year, had 3 double-DNFs. Mid-season, every team bought at least one car to the line for six successive races.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 01 Jul 2013, 09:56

2010

Bahrain: HRT/Virgin/Sauber (3)
Australia: Virgin (1)
Malaysia: Sauber (1)
China: Virgin/Sauber (2)
Spain: HRT (1)
Monaco: Williams/Sauber/Virgin/HRT/Lotus (5)
Turkey: Lotus/HRT (2)
Canada: Sauber (1)
Europe: None (0)
Britain: None (0)
Germany: Lotus (1)
Hungary: None (0)
Belgium: None (0)
Italy: None (0)
Singapore: Lotus/HRT/Sauber (3)
Japan: Renault/Force India (2)
Korea: Red Bull/Virgin (2)
Brazil: None (0)
Abu Dhabi: None (0)

Team Double-DNFs
Sauber 6
Virgin 5
HRT 5
Lotus 4
Red Bull 1
Renault 1
Williams 1
Force India 1
McLaren 0
Ferrari 0
Mercedes 0
Toro Rosso 0

Unsurprisingly, the 'new' teams, including Sauber, had apalling reliability, with the aforementioned team being the worst. The reliability seemed to improve after Canada. Monaco, Singapore, Japan and Korea were all chaotic and some teams were caught out in each race.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 01 Jul 2013, 14:31

Well, at least 10 cars retired at Monaco! No surprise there...

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 01 Jul 2013, 16:02

go_Rubens wrote:Well, at least 10 cars retired at Monaco! No surprise there...

Well, there was a total of 12 retirements. Button and Petrov were the unlucky ones who had to retire and then see team-mate finishing.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 02 Jul 2013, 08:09

2011

Australia: Williams/Mercedes (2)
Malaysia: Williams/HRT (2)
China: None (0)
Turkey: None (0)
Spain: None (0)
Monaco: None (0)
Canada: Force India (1)
Europe: None (0)
Britain: Lotus (1)
Germany: None (0)
Hungary: Lotus (1)
Belgium: Toro Rosso (1)
Italy: Sauber (1)
Singapore: None (0)
Japan: None (0)
Korea: None (0)
India: None (0)
Abu Dhabi: None (0)
Brazil: None (0)

Team Double-DNFs
Williams 2
Lotus 2
Mercedes 1
Force India 1
Sauber 1
Toro Rosso 1
HRT 1
Red Bull 0
McLaren 0
Ferrari 0
Renault 0
Virgin 0

Williams had poor reliability at the start of the season and of the new teams Virgin succeeded in bringing at least one car to the end of every race.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 03 Jul 2013, 08:18

2012

Australia: Caterham/Williams (2)
Malaysia: None (0)
China: None (0)
Bahrain: Williams (1)
Spain: None (0)
Monaco: None (0)
Canada: HRT (1)
Europe: None (0)
Britain: None (0)
Germany: None (0)
Hungary: None (0)
Belgium: None (0)
Italy: Red Bull (1)
Singapore: Williams (1)
Japan: None (0)
Korea: None (0)
India: None (0)
Abu Dhabi: None (0)
USA: None (0)
Brazil: Williams (1)

Team Double-DNFs
Williams 4
Red Bull 1
Caterham 1
HRT 1
Ferrari 0
McLaren 0
Lotus 0
Mercedes 0
Sauber 0
Force India 0
Toro Rosso 0
Marussia 0

It was a case of wrong place, wrong time for Williams. Often both cars were eliminated in incidents or both suffered mechanical issues, causing 4 double-DNFs. A classic car, though. Red Bull of course humiliated themselves in Italy. Reliability was reaching unprecedented levels.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 03 Jul 2013, 08:23

2013 so far

Australia: None (0)
Malaysia: Force India (1)
China: None (0)
Bahrain: None (0)
Spain: None (0)
Monaco: None (0)
Canada: Sauber (1)
Britain: None (0)
Germany: None (0)
Hungary: Force India (1)
Belgium: None (0)
Italy: Force India (1)

Team Double-DNFs
Force India 3
Sauber 1
Red Bull 0
Mercedes 0
Ferrari 0
Lotus 0
McLaren 0
Toro Rosso 0
Williams 0
Marussia 0
Caterham 0

From now I'm going backwards from 2000.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 03 Jul 2013, 09:29

1999

Australia: Sauber/BAR/McLaren/Prost/Minardi (5)
Brazil: BAR/Jordan/Stewart/Sauber (4)
San Marino: BAR/Prost/Arrows/Williams (4)
Monaco: Minardi/Arrows/Stewart/BAR/Sauber (5)
Spain: Minardi/Sauber/Stewart (3)
Canada: BAR/Jordan/Arrows (3)
France: Sauber/Benetton (2)
Britain: BAR (1)
Austria: Williams/Arrows/BAR (3)
Germany: BAR/Stewart/Arrows (3)
Hungary: Sauber (1)
Belgium: Arrows (1)
Italy: Minardi/Benetton/Prost/Arrows (4)
Europe: Sauber/Benetton/Jordan/Arrows (4)
Malaysia: Prost/BAR/Arrows (3)
Japan: Prost/Minardi (2)

Team Double-DNFs
Arrows 9
BAR 9
Sauber 7
Prost 5
Minardi 5
Stewart 4
Jordan 3
Benetton 3
Williams 2
McLaren 1
Ferrari 0

As in the early 00s, Ferrari were the only team in the whole field not to double-DNF all year. The undisputed ROTY constructor, BAR had 9 double-DNFs, but Arrows had the same number, with Sauber not too far behind.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 05 Jul 2013, 20:00

1998

Australia: Stewart/Tyrrell/Arrows/Minardi (4)
Brazil: Jordan/Minardi/Prost/Arrows/Tyrrell (5)
Argentina: Arrows (1)
San Marino: Stewart/Benetton/Prost/Tyrrell (4)
Spain: Arrows (1)
Monaco: Stewart/Prost (2)
Canada: McLaren/Prost/Sauber/Jordan (4)
France: Tyrrell/Minardi (2)
Britain: Arrows/Sauber/Prost/Stewart (4)
Austria: Arrows/Stewart (2)
Germany: Stewart (1)
Hungary: None (0)
Belgium: Tyrrell/Stewart/Benetton/Ferrari (4)
Italy: Arrows (1)
Europe: None (0)
Japan: Arrows/Stewart/Minardi/Tyrrell (4)

Team Double-DNFs
Arrows 8
Stewart 8
Tyrrell 6
Prost 5
Minardi 4
Jordan 2
Benetton 2
Sauber 2
McLaren 1
Ferrari 1
Williams 0

Arrows and Stewart were tied at the top of the unreliability table with 8 double-DNFs apiece. By contrast, defending champions Williams didn't record a single one, although Frentzen retired for 5 consecutive races. If only they were that consistent in 1997! The chaotic races of Canada and Belgium claimed McLaren and Ferrari respectively.

Post by **Londoner** » 05 Jul 2013, 20:19

I always thought Coulthard retired at Spa in 1998 after Schumacher rammed him in the rain. I never realised McLaren repaired his car and sent him back out again. Surely at the speed Schumi collided with him, that would have ruined his rear suspension and stuff?

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 05 Jul 2013, 20:25

East Londoner wrote:I always thought Coulthard retired at Spa in 1998 after Schumacher rammed him in the rain. I never realised McLaren repaired his car and sent him back out again. Surely at the speed Schumi collided with him, that would have ruined his rear suspension and stuff?

Coulthard even managed to finish ahead of Shinji Nakano in the Minardi, who also was 5 laps down.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 05 Jul 2013, 20:50

pi314159 wrote:
East Londoner wrote:I always thought Coulthard retired at Spa in 1998 after Schumacher rammed him in the rain. I never realised McLaren repaired his car and sent him back out again. Surely at the speed Schumi collided with him, that would have ruined his rear suspension and stuff?

Coulthard even managed to finish ahead of Shinji Nakano in the Minardi, who also was 5 laps down.

And here's the video of how Nakano sealed that feat.

I forti sopravivono · Post by **I forti sopravivono** » 08 Jul 2013, 19:40

I was thinking about the funny sight of Diniz and Salo blowing their engines at the same time somewhere mid-race in Spain '98.
One of the Arrows' had been lapped by the other also.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 09 Jul 2013, 20:35

1997

Australia: Williams/Jordan/Tyrrell/Stewart (4)
Brazil: Stewart/Arrows (2)
Argentina: Prost/Stewart/Arrows (3)
San Marino: Stewart/Arrows (2)
Monaco: Arrows/McLaren/Sauber/Williams (4)
Spain: Arrows (1)
Canada: Stewart/Minardi/Tyrrell (3)
France: Tyrrell/Stewart/McLaren (3)
Britain: Stewart/Ferrari/Tyrrell (3)
Germany: Minardi/Williams/Stewart (3)
Hungary: Stewart/McLaren (2)
Belgium: Minardi/McLaren (2)
Italy: Arrows/Tyrrell (2)
Austria: Prost/Stewart (2)
Luxembourg: Jordan/Minardi/Ferrari/Stewart/McLaren (5)
Japan: Stewart/Minardi/Prost (3)
Europe: Arrows (1)

Team Double-DNFs
Stewart 12 :shock:

Arrows 7
McLaren 5
Tyrrell 5
Minardi 5
Williams 3
Prost 3
Ferrari 2
Jordan 2
Sauber 1
Benetton 0

Even though they finished out of the points in 3 races, Benetton were the only team not to suffer the thread title. Sauber were just as reliable, their only double-DNF being in the wet at Monaco. McLaren's five were mostly down to the engine, which cost Häkkinen his first win in Britain, then Austria and later the Nurburgring. Meanwhile, Arrows and Stewart had the worst reliability of all. Judging by the stats, I would nominate the Stewart SF1 as the most unreliable car in modern F1 history.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 10 Jul 2013, 02:06

good_Ralf wrote:Stewart 12

Oh yeah!

Rubinho only finished 3 races that season. Pity.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 10 Jul 2013, 13:19

go_Rubens wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:Stewart 12

Oh yeah!

Rubinho only finished 3 races that season. Pity.

I finished zero races that season, but no one pities me.