BTCD 2004 - Croft Race 9 Qualifying Up

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 11 Dec 2012, 18:27

This will be the feeder series to the BTCC as mentioned in that thread. Fiction and real teams can enter, drivers must still be real and not currently racing in something more high profile. I'd look in the TOCA feeder categories and local club racing scene for your best bets. Some drivers will come with personal funding.

Forgot to mention, teams from the Development series may enter rounds of the main series as wildcards but it will come out of your budget. £30,000 per round just like for the main teams if you want to do that.

This will run two 75km races at each meeting and will support 8 rounds of the main BTCC.

Calender
1. Cardiff
2. Silverstone
3. Oulton Park
4. Cadwell Park
5. Croft
6. Brands Hatch
7. Donnington Park
8. Birmingham Superprix

All teams will start with £500,000, entry fee per car, per season is £100,000 or £15,000 per meeting.

Cars

Teams will use older cars from the BTCC, ETCC, STCC etc, any touring car series that runs to the 2 litre formula.

A list of teams with cars to sell for the series will be in the next post, cars can only be bought from them. Any cars bought from a team current in the main BTCC will go towards that team's budget for that series.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 11 Dec 2012, 18:51

Teams with cars for sale!

Highlighted in Red = Already purchased

West Surrey Racing
2 MG ZS, 2001

History
2001 - WSR, Anthony Reid and Warren Hughes
2002 - WSR, Colin Turkington and Gareth Howell

Price
£200,000 each.

GA Motorsport
1 Vauxhall Astra Coupe, 2001

History
2001 - EggSport, Phil Bennett
2002 - EggSport, Paul O'Neill
2003 - GA Motorsport, Paul Wallace

Price
£250,000

Synchro Motorsports
1 Honda Civic Type R, 2002

History
2002 - Honda, Andy Priaulx
2003 - Synchro, James Kaye

Price
£200,000

Collard Racing
1 Vauxhall Astra Coupe, 2001

History
2001 - EggSport, James Thompson
2002 - EggSport, Matt Neal
2003 - Collard Racing, Rob Collard

Price
£250,000

Team Dynamics
1 Vauxhall Astra Coupe, 2001

History
2001 - VX Racing, Jason Plato
2002 - VX Racing, James Thompson
2003 - Team Dynamics - Gareth Howell

Price
£250,000

Vic Lee Racing
2 Peugeot 406 Coupe, 2001
2 Peugeot 307, 2003

History, (406s)
2001 - Peugeot, Dan Eaves and Steve Soper
2002 - VLR, Dan Eaves and Tim Harvey

History, (307s)
2003 - VLR, Dan Eaves and Carl Breeze/Danny Buxton

Price
406 - £150,000 each
307 - £170,000 each[/color]

JS Motorsport
2 Alfa Romeo 147, 2001

History
2001 - JS, David Pinkney, Tim Harvey, Tom Ferrier and Mark Blair.

Price
£100,000 each

That's all for BTCC teams, I'll post up available cars from other series later.

FloProAct · Post by **FloProAct** » 11 Dec 2012, 19:18

Pines Racing would like to register a preliminary entry into the series, but we will wait until the full car list is out before making any firm plans. I'm very tempted by those Alfa's though, although I suspect their performance in this series will be closer to real life than ToCA Race Driver, where (if I remember correctly) they were inexplicably fast.

Will driver choices be done the same way as the 'proper' BTCC?

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 11 Dec 2012, 20:07

FloProAct wrote:Pines Racing would like to register a preliminary entry into the series, but we will wait until the full car list is out before making any firm plans. I'm very tempted by those Alfa's though, although I suspect their performance in this series will be closer to real life than ToCA Race Driver, where (if I remember correctly) they were inexplicably fast.

Will driver choices be done the same way as the 'proper' BTCC?

No, since all teams in this will have equal status then its first come first served.

FloProAct · Post by **FloProAct** » 11 Dec 2012, 20:27

In that case, we'll buy the Dynamics Astra and put Alan Blencowe, who drove in the PBTCC in 2003 so is hopefully eligible, in it for the whole season.
We may buy a second car later on in the season depending on prize money.

Also, just a suggestion, but what about offering the championship winner a paid for BTCC drive in 2005 as a reward, similar to what Ginetta did with Adam Morgan?

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 11 Dec 2012, 20:39

ETCC cars

Autodelta Squadra Corse
1 Alfa Romeo 156, 2002

Price £300,000 each

Ravaglia Motorsport
1 BMW 320i, 2002

Price £260,000

Podium Racing
1 SEAT Toledo, 2003

Price £250,000

ART Engineering
1 Volvo S60, 2002

Price £270,000

Clever Cats Team
1 Alfa Romeo 156, 2002

Price £280,000

Hotfiel Sport
1 Ford Focus ST170, 2002

Price £180,000

Team Isert
1 BMW 320i, 2002

Price £260,000

STCC cars

Flash Engineering
1 Volvo S60, 2002

Price £270,000

Kristoffersson Motorsport
1 Audi A4, 2003

Price £270,000

Bakajev Motorsport
1 BMW 320i, 2002

Price £220,000 each

[color=#FF0000]Crawford Racing
1 BMW 320i, 2002

Price £220,000[/color]

And that is all the cars that I can find. Enjoy.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 11 Dec 2012, 20:42

FloProAct wrote:In that case, we'll buy the Dynamics Astra and put Alan Blencowe, who drove in the PBTCC in 2003 so is hopefully eligible, in it for the whole season.
We may buy a second car later on in the season depending on prize money.

Also, just a suggestion, but what about offering the championship winner a paid for BTCC drive in 2005 as a reward, similar to what Ginetta did with Adam Morgan?

Forgot to add prize money. The same points system will be used as in the main BTCC, with £1,000 per point.

And I'll award the championship winning driver £500,000 to go towards a BTCC drive.

HonoraryNortherner · Post by **HonoraryNortherner** » 11 Dec 2012, 20:43

FloProAct wrote:In that case, we'll buy the Dynamics Astra and put Alan Blencowe, who drove in the PBTCC in 2003 so is hopefully eligible, in it for the whole season.
We may buy a second car later on in the season depending on prize money.

Also, just a suggestion, but what about offering the championship winner a paid for BTCC drive in 2005 as a reward, similar to what Ginetta did with Adam Morgan?

Team Dynamics are happy to do business with the fledgling Pines Racing, and wish you the best of luck with your campaign next year.

What about development teams for BTCC teams? Or maybe for wider member participation development agreements? I.e. a condition of Dynamics selling their Astra might be a young driver (lets say Sheddon) has to be placed with the customer in a 2nd car/x amount of races?

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 11 Dec 2012, 20:46

I would like to enter the Honda Civic for the full season for Augusto Farfus. Team name: Honda Young Drivers Team.

FloProAct · Post by **FloProAct** » 11 Dec 2012, 20:47

Samster wrote:
FloProAct wrote:In that case, we'll buy the Dynamics Astra and put Alan Blencowe, who drove in the PBTCC in 2003 so is hopefully eligible, in it for the whole season.
We may buy a second car later on in the season depending on prize money.

Also, just a suggestion, but what about offering the championship winner a paid for BTCC drive in 2005 as a reward, similar to what Ginetta did with Adam Morgan?

Forgot to add prize money. The same points system will be used as in the main BTCC, with £1,000 per point.

And I'll award the championship winning driver £500,000 to go towards a BTCC drive.

In that case, Pines Racing will spend the rest of its £500000 initial budget on a Vic Lee 406, which will be entered on an event by event basis, when Blencowe gets us enough prize money to enter it. (I don't like going into debt).

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 11 Dec 2012, 20:54

HonoraryNortherner wrote:
FloProAct wrote:In that case, we'll buy the Dynamics Astra and put Alan Blencowe, who drove in the PBTCC in 2003 so is hopefully eligible, in it for the whole season.
We may buy a second car later on in the season depending on prize money.

Also, just a suggestion, but what about offering the championship winner a paid for BTCC drive in 2005 as a reward, similar to what Ginetta did with Adam Morgan?

Team Dynamics are happy to do business with the fledgling Pines Racing, and wish you the best of luck with your campaign next year.

What about development teams for BTCC teams? Or maybe for wider member participation development agreements? I.e. a condition of Dynamics selling their Astra might be a young driver (lets say Shedden) has to be placed with the customer in a 2nd car/x amount of races?

I did think of that but there's a chance that everyone will just extend their main series teams into this one. And I'd rather we weren't chock full of those and end up like a certain oval based series that I'm not particularly fond of.

pi314159 wrote:I would like to enter the Honda Civic for the full season for Augusto Farfus. Team name: Honda Young Drivers Team.

Farfus already has a works Alfa drive in the ETCC so has no need to enter a junior category. Also no development teams as I said above in this post.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 11 Dec 2012, 20:59

Sorry, then I'll enter an Autodelta Alfa Romeo for Stefano Valli.

HonoraryNortherner · Post by **HonoraryNortherner** » 11 Dec 2012, 21:00

Samster wrote:
HonoraryNortherner wrote:
FloProAct wrote:In that case, we'll buy the Dynamics Astra and put Alan Blencowe, who drove in the PBTCC in 2003 so is hopefully eligible, in it for the whole season.
We may buy a second car later on in the season depending on prize money.

Also, just a suggestion, but what about offering the championship winner a paid for BTCC drive in 2005 as a reward, similar to what Ginetta did with Adam Morgan?

Team Dynamics are happy to do business with the fledgling Pines Racing, and wish you the best of luck with your campaign next year.

What about development teams for BTCC teams? Or maybe for wider member participation development agreements? I.e. a condition of Dynamics selling their Astra might be a young driver (lets say Shedden) has to be placed with the customer in a 2nd car/x amount of races?

I did think of that but there's a chance that everyone will just extend their main series teams into this one. And I'd rather we weren't chock full of those and end up like a certain oval based series that I'm not particularly fond of.

pi314159 wrote:I would like to enter the Honda Civic for the full season for Augusto Farfus. Team name: Honda Young Drivers Team.

Farfus already has a works Alfa drive in the ETCC so has no need to enter a junior category. Also no development teams as I said above in this post.

Haha, yeah I've just realised how that would pan out... :lol:

What about rules governing a BTCC team offering to sponsor a driver to drive in the development series in return for x number of years (say max 3) of ownership of the driver's rights? I'm just playing devils advocate here and kicking a couple of ideas about. Thinking it through, it might lead to manufacturer monopolisation a little too much.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 11 Dec 2012, 21:03

H'mm I think I might allow that as long as it doesn't get too complex.

Forgot to mention. Give your car numbers too as in the main series. But only those not already taken by a main series team so as to avoid conflicts should you decide to enter any wildcards.

FloProAct · Post by **FloProAct** » 11 Dec 2012, 21:13

Blencowe Astra: #24
406 Coupe: #83

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 11 Dec 2012, 21:21

Crawford Racing by Onyx

I'm buying the Crawford Racing BMW 320i
#15 Gavin Smith

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 11 Dec 2012, 21:23

Albion Motorsport will run the Ravaglia Motorsport BMW using #52, with Gordon Shedden at the wheel. The car will be green and white with sponsorship from Whyte & Mackay.
Guess the reference anyone?

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 11 Dec 2012, 21:30

The Flash Volvo will be bought by Motor Event and will be driven by Mark Doble. #75

FloProAct · Post by **FloProAct** » 11 Dec 2012, 21:37

Onxy Wrecked wrote:Crawford Racing by Onyx

I'm buying the Crawford Racing BMW 320i
#15 Gavin Smith

I'm fairly sure Smith is already in the BTCC...

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 11 Dec 2012, 21:39

FloProAct wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:Crawford Racing by Onyx

I'm buying the Crawford Racing BMW 320i
#15 Gavin Smith

I'm fairly sure Smith is already in the BTCC...

Yes, he's driving the #79 Tech-Speed Vauxhall Astra Coupe. Try again!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 11 Dec 2012, 21:41

The Fighting Mongooses will purchase Podium Racing's SEAT Toledo, which will be driven by Mat Jackson. #17

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 11 Dec 2012, 22:02

kostas22 wrote:
FloProAct wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:Crawford Racing by Onyx

I'm buying the Crawford Racing BMW 320i
#15 Gavin Smith

I'm fairly sure Smith is already in the BTCC...

Yes, he's driving the #79 Tech-Speed Vauxhall Astra Coupe. Try again!

What year is it in this?

FloProAct · Post by **FloProAct** » 11 Dec 2012, 22:06

Onxy Wrecked wrote:What year is it in this?

2004. I would suggest you look at 2000-3 PBTCC for drivers.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 11 Dec 2012, 22:07

Onxy Wrecked wrote:What year is it in this?

Same as the main BTCC, 2004.

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 11 Dec 2012, 22:10

American Racing Conglomerate will run a BMW 320i from Bakajev.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 11 Dec 2012, 22:12

Is James Pickford available?

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 11 Dec 2012, 22:15

Onxy Wrecked wrote:Is James Pickford available?

Yes.

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 11 Dec 2012, 22:24

Is Alex Figge available? Oh, and ARC will take number 62.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 11 Dec 2012, 22:26

Samster wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:Is James Pickford available?

Yes.

I'll take him in the #15 BMW 320i!

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 11 Dec 2012, 22:42

Restov Racing would like to enter an ex-Vic Lee Peugeot 406 coupe for Tom Onslow-Cole for the whole season please. #53

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 11 Dec 2012, 23:12

pi314159 wrote:Sorry, then I'll enter an Autodelta Alfa Romeo for Stefano Valli.

Need your car number.

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:The Fighting Mongooses will purchase Podium Racing's SEAT Toledo, which will be driven by Mat Jackson. #17

#17 is already in use by the main series SEAT team. You need a number that isn't already taken by either a main series or development series team.

If you are struggling for suitable drivers then look up the 2003 and 2004 SEAT Cupra Cup UK on wikipedia. If you have better luck at finding info on the 2004 Clio and Carerra Cups in the UK then they have suitable drivers too.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 12 Dec 2012, 00:48

Samster wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:The Fighting Mongooses will purchase Podium Racing's SEAT Toledo, which will be driven by Mat Jackson. #17

#17 is already in use by the main series SEAT team. You need a number that isn't already taken by either a main series or development series team.

Alright, #27 then. Didn't realise these would be running in the same races.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 12 Dec 2012, 00:53

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Samster wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:The Fighting Mongooses will purchase Podium Racing's SEAT Toledo, which will be driven by Mat Jackson. #17

#17 is already in use by the main series SEAT team. You need a number that isn't already taken by either a main series or development series team.

Alright, #27 then. Didn't realise these would be running in the same races.

They won't be unless you enter your cars in a main series event as a wildcard. Hence the numbering rule to avoid confliction. The V8 Development series has the same rule.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 12 Dec 2012, 04:49

Samster wrote:The V8 Development series has the same rule.

Actually, there isn't any rule per-say that I know of, but instead it's a result of the very system of how the entries are handled. The former AVESCO and now V8 Supercars Australia create all the racing entitlement contracts, which team owners have to buy in order to compete in either the Main Game or the Development Series. Each entitlement contract has a unique number attached to it, hence why no two cars have the same number.

These contracts do lead to some very interesting arrangement however, as for example, Charlie Schwerkolt leased the iconic #18 REC to Dick Johnson for many years, before the two fell out and Schwerkolt took his contract to FPR as their fourth car next year.

FloProAct · Post by **FloProAct** » 12 Dec 2012, 10:05

On the wiki, Pines Racing currently has a budget of -£100000. As I would like the 406 Coupe to be entered on a £15000 event by event basis, even if it ends up costing us money in the long term, I think we should instead have a budget of £0:

Astra: £250000
Whole year's entry for Astra: £100000
406 Coupe: £150000

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 12 Dec 2012, 15:04

Any available cars left?

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 12 Dec 2012, 17:35

FMecha wrote:Any available cars left?

I've highlighted the cars that are already taken in the sales lists in red.

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 12 Dec 2012, 17:48

Alpha Auto will field an ex-Autodelta Alfa Romeo, number 57. (Can anyone suggest a driver? I was thinking of JTCC reject Sebastian Martino...

)

HonoraryNortherner · Post by **HonoraryNortherner** » 12 Dec 2012, 18:03

FMecha wrote:Alpha Auto will field an ex-Autodelta Alfa Romeo, number 57. (Can anyone suggest a driver? I was thinking of JTCC reject Sebastian Martino... )

I'd suggest Andre Couto. Not too shabby guy from Macau with quite alot of backing. Regularly competes in the Guia race.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 12 Dec 2012, 18:06

HonoraryNortherner wrote:
FMecha wrote:Alpha Auto will field an ex-Autodelta Alfa Romeo, number 57. (Can anyone suggest a driver? I was thinking of JTCC reject Sebastian Martino... )

I'd suggest Andre Couto. Not too shabby guy from Macau with quite alot of backing. Regularly competes in the Guia race.

No! No! Henry Ho! Get Henry Ho!

He's another Macauese driver who has done his home event in WTCC. Don't know if he has at much money as Couto though...