Nimby Quebecers

[DemocalypseNow]

What the f*** is this??????????
Get a reality check numpties.

*I said nimbies in the title because, quite frankly, they are the most pathetic HR-loving morons on the planet.

[Klon]

What the f*** is this??????????
Get a reality check numpties.

Is there any type of human being more worthless and entitled than non-smokers? I don't know any which have actually anything to say at all. Makes me wanna start smoking just to not be associated with them.

[Vepe]

Didn´t Ferrari have to remove the barcodes in their car at Canada last year ??

[DemocalypseNow]

Didn´t Ferrari have to remove the barcodes in their car at Canada last year ??

Yes, but lets be fair here, those were there because Marlboro paid for them to be. Slight difference. It's not like Ferrari just said "Oh, I know what would be a great livery, lets put a barcode on the car!" Because that would be plain retarded.

But this? Its just the colours. Not the slightest hint of a JPS-inspired logo or advert anywhere on the car. It's going too far.

[noisebox]

If they're going to be pedantic about it they should also be looking at the Rothmans inspired Williams livery, and Lucky Strike Hispania...

[mario]

What the f*** is this??????????
Get a reality check numpties.

*I said nimbies in the title because, quite frankly, they are the most pathetic HR-loving morons on the planet.

It seems that the reason why the Canadians were inquiring into the Renault gold and black livery was the fact that the owners of the JPS brand, it seems, had decided to capitalise on the reintroduction of the livery. There were some reports of point of sale advertising in Europe (which remains legal, for now) which aimed to piggyback off the success of the Renault team; although independent from the Renault F1 team, naturally there were some who wondered if the two were connected.

Unnecessary? Almost certainly, since any commercial link would be clear, but not unsurprising.

Didn´t Ferrari have to remove the barcodes in their car at Canada last year ??

Correct - they raced with just a rectangular outline on the engine cover, around where the barcode logo would have been.

[Klon]

If they're going to be pedantic about it they should also be looking at the Rothmans inspired Williams livery, and Lucky Strike Hispania...

Don't forget McLaren, the silver livery clearly dates back to the West days.

[shinji]

Last year Renault were VERY B&H Jordan-esque...

[DonTirri]

Meh. I consider the anti-tobacco laws goddamn bullshit anyway.

To smoke and not to smoke is ones own decision for cryin out loud. I don't know about other countries but here in Finland there is a practical witch hunt goin on for smokers, the latest move being forcing stores to stick all cigarette-packaging under the counter, with a suggestion that all cigarette-packages should contain zero branding whatsoever, in other words being blank white boxes with the brand typed onto it with small black letters.

For christ sake either make it completely illegal or stop instating all these stupid laws. Of course it all boils down to the fact that the goverment gets a rather nice chunk of Euros from cigarette-taxes so they are basically wanting to have the cake and eat it, appeal to the anti-smokers while pocketing the money.

Bullshit.

[dinizintheoven]

Last year Renault were VERY B&H Jordan-esque...

...or, maybe, it was a reference to what Renaults used to look like in the late 1970s.

[GroupLotusRenault]

Most anti smoking law of course bans advertising of tobbaco sponsoring. Lotus Renault colour sceme is a great sight on the racetrack. But like Ferrari and Phillip Morris compay, are they being backed by JPS and if they are is this legel?

[Faustus]

It's pathetic, isn't it?
I'm not a smoker, but I remain to be convinced that tobacco advertising makes people take up smoking. Make them change brands maybe, but take up smoking? Doubtful.

[Jeroen Krautmeir]

The whole issue of tobacco adverts throws me over the end. For crying out loud, looking at a car with Lucky Strike branding would not make someone go "Oh! Lucky Strike, now I have to go buy a pack." And please, lest we forget, tobacco sponsors were vital in bringing up many many drivers, especially in France, and we all know that the French Racing Driver is now an extinct species. Brands like Marlboro were very important, sponsoring pretty much every Grand Prix or/and team in some way. Like I said previously, tobacco brands were also important in bringing up talented drivers, see Jean Alesi for example.

In the end, I really wish politicians would stop treating us like uneducated blockheads.

[DanielPT]

It's pathetic, isn't it? I
'm not a smoker, but I remain to be convinced that tobacco advertising makes people take up smoking. Make them change brands maybe, but take up smoking? Doubtful.

And it doesn't make people buy tobacco. Trying to be cool at school makes you buy tobacco. But politicians have to show they are doing something against those evil tobacco companies. And this is stopping them to waste money in advertisement and actually invest on motorsport...

[Faustus]

It's pathetic, isn't it? I
'm not a smoker, but I remain to be convinced that tobacco advertising makes people take up smoking. Make them change brands maybe, but take up smoking? Doubtful.

And it doesn't make people buy tobacco. Trying to be cool at school makes you buy tobacco. But politicians have to show they are doing something against those evil tobacco companies. And this is stopping them to waste money in advertisement and actually invest on motorsport...

Absolutely, I agree completely.
I do think smokers are treated unfairly. I'm not a smoker and I've worked in pubs and bars before, in very smoky environments and I didn't like it, but with the ever-increasing restrictions on smoking and the rising price of smoking products, smokers are treated unfairly for trying to enjoy a product that was bought and paid for legally. There are anti- and stop-smoking campaigns everywhere, but the truth is that the revenue for the taxing of smoking products is critically important to every state and it outweighs the burden of the extra costs incurred by the national health services for dealing with smoking-related diseases and conditions.

[MaxZero]

And then there's the archive footage that appears on national TV now and again, they don't filter that.
There was a program about Murray Walker on the beeb on Sunday, Marlboro was all over it, didn't stop the program going out at 8pm.
I've rekon the barcode's triangular logo replacement reminds me more of a pack of Marlboro nehoo, it imitates half of the shape that appears on the packaging, so its a step backwards there


I did go out tho and buy a packet of JPS Black to see what they were like in comparison to my usual B&H Silver when i originally heard it would be used again so perhaps they do have a point

[DanielPT]

I did go out tho and buy a packet of JPS Black to see what they were like in comparison to my usual B&H Silver when i originally heard it would be used again so perhaps they do have a point

In this case you did what Faustus said. You didn't started smoking, you changed brands...

[The Mountain Man]

If someone at Lotus-Renault had a sense of humor they should have painted their cars solid yellow just for the occasion.

For the youngest readers it was the color scheme Lotus adopted in 1987 when they were sponsored by Camel.

PS: are JPS cigarettes even available in Canada? If not what's the point?

[shinji]

Last year Renault were VERY B&H Jordan-esque...

...or, maybe, it was a reference to what Renaults used to look like in the late 1970s.

[Phoenix]

Advertising tobacco doesn't have a substantial impact on smoking. Letting teenagers smoke does.



























And that's only a small part of F1, folks...

Oh, well, to sum it up...



And...







Haters gonna hate.

My work here today is done.

[dr-baker]

Haters gonna hate.

Or, in this case, Lovers gonna love ???

[Ferrim]

My father used to smoke, my mother as well. I've been following F1 since '97 and therefore exposed to brands such as Rothmans, Marlboro, West, B&H, Mild Seven, Lucky Strike, 555, Sobranie, Gauloises and I'm certain I'm missing a couple of them.

Didn't smoke at all until 2008, when tobacco advertising was no longer present in F1, and even then what I smoke was Chesterfield, that hadn't been in F1 since 1993 (ie., before I started watching). My first and only cigarette ever by the way.

[Faustus]

I've never smoked, not even 1, nor have I ever even had a drag on one. I don't think I'd enjoy it so I don't think I'm missing much.

[Mister Fungus]

I disagree with the conception that advertising doesn't have anything to do with people taking up smoking, that would mean pretty much all advertising is ineffective. That being said the whole issue with Renault livery is pretty ridiculous.

(also realized that I have a cigarette livery in my avatar)

[Jeroen Krautmeir]

For the youngest readers it was the color scheme Lotus adopted in 1987 when they were sponsored by Camel.

I'm sorry to be such an arse, but I'm the youngest reader, and I know that.

[Bert]

A couple of points, from a home-town boy.....

- The Gilles Villeneuve museum, in Berthierville, Quebec, was threatened with fines for displaying PERIOD PICTURES of F1 races, race cars, etc. with cigarette advertising. Yes, they wanted impose fines for showing pictures taken in the 70s and 80s depicting history. Our <reject of the race>bureaucrats</reject of the race> want to rewrite !@%#&%&@ history. If only we had a MSC commission!

- Last year, at a historic event at Mont-Tremblant / Saint-Jovite (Canadian G.P. 1968, 1970 and bloody awesome track) historic F1, Indy and other tobacco sponsored cars had to modify the "advertising". So we had an "alboro", an "othmans" and an "ohn ayers escial".

My tax dollars at work!

[Vepe]

A couple of points, from a home-town boy.....

- The Gilles Villeneuve museum, in Berthierville, Quebec, was threatened with fines for displaying PERIOD PICTURES of F1 races, race cars, etc. with cigarette advertising. Yes, they wanted impose fines for showing pictures taken in the 70s and 80s depicting history. Our <reject of the race>bureaucrats</reject of the race> want to rewrite !@%#&%&@ history. If only we had a MSC commission!

- Last year, at a historic event at Mont-Tremblant / Saint-Jovite (Canadian G.P. 1968, 1970 and bloody awesome track) historic F1, Indy and other tobacco sponsored cars had to modify the "advertising". So we had an "alboro", an "othmans" and an "ohn ayers escial".

My tax dollars at work!

What the ****, man! Are they serious ?

[dr-baker]

I've never smoked, not even 1, nor have I ever even had a drag on one. I don't think I'd enjoy it so I don't think I'm missing much.

Ditto, other than I am 99% sure I won't enjoy it. When I first went to uni, I was sick in my halls' kitchen due to the fact that people were smoking in there. In my first week.







Ok, so it was cannabis they were smoking in there at the time, but I didn't initially know that and nobody subsequantly smoked anything in the kitchen for my sake.

[Jeroen Krautmeir]

I disagree with the conception that advertising doesn't have anything to do with people taking up smoking, that would mean pretty much all advertising is ineffective. That being said the whole issue with Renault livery is pretty ridiculous.

(also realized that I have a cigarette livery in my avatar)

But like MaxZero said, it made him change brands, so they have a point. It's just that their 'stealing' consumers from their rivals, but not actually making non-smokers take it up.

[DanielPT]

I disagree with the conception that advertising doesn't have anything to do with people taking up smoking, that would mean pretty much all advertising is ineffective. That being said the whole issue with Renault livery is pretty ridiculous.

(also realized that I have a cigarette livery in my avatar)

But like MaxZero said, it made him change brands, so they have a point. It's just that their 'stealing' consumers from their rivals, but not actually making non-smokers take it up.

Well, what worked at the time of mass cigarettes production creation was that they paid big Hollywood stars to smoke in movies. That worked like a treat, specially in teenagers who wanted to be like their idols. And thus a big recruiting machine was created. Eventually smoking stopped to be that cool in mid nineties or so and the machine gears slowed down. I even know more non-smokers than smokers which was unthinkable a few years back.

[David AGS]

and some drivers themselves used to smoke!

I remember reading what a driver said a while back (cant remember who!) that when they had the drivers briefing, they couldn't see eachother as there was smoke everywhere.

Slightly off topic, didnt Stefan Johansson burn his face when he attempted to light a cigarette from a stove?