2010 Brazil GP discussion thread

patrick · Post by **patrick** » 07 Nov 2010, 12:03

ADx_Wales wrote:If an F1 driver gets attacked to be robbed then SURELY they need to get away from that particular venue. How on earth can Silverstone have it's position as an F1 race threatend because "its facilites arent good enough" when stuff like this happens in places that have NO PLACE in F1.

Of course you're right about Silverstone, but I would hardly say Brazil has "no place" in F1. Sao Paulo is indeed a rough place, but let us not forget that Karun Chandhok and his manager were successfully robbed at Monza. Does that mean F1 should leave Italy too?
Cities are big, and not all full of nice people - this could have happened anywhere. Let's just be happy Jenson and his friends are fine. And disappointed that there were no tales of him grabbing the wheel in an exciting manner

rffp · Post by **rffp** » 07 Nov 2010, 12:05

10:00 AM in São Paulo.
Few clouds in the sky but no indication of rain.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 07 Nov 2010, 13:44

shinji wrote:
Peter wrote:Just for the lolz.

Not pictured: Nico Hulkenberg miles ahead of them all.

What he said...

Histerically funny - Hulkenberg did give everyone a driving lesson out there, keeping his tyres on the right temperature while keeping it on the island. Great stuff, and positively unflustered. Contrasts nicely with, say, Vettel's celebratory style.

Spare a thought for the other protagonists in the ongoing battle for being The Next Great German Champion: Rosberg and Sutil are all of a sudden staring down an enormous gaping hole.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 07 Nov 2010, 13:54

It don't take much from being a person which "most think he have some talent" to "the next german superstar". It was a good job, but I don't think he could do it again!

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 07 Nov 2010, 13:56

Myrvold wrote:It don't take much from being a person which "most think he have some talent" to "the next german superstar". It was a good job, but I don't think he could do it again!

I thought that about Vettel when he scored pole in Monza.

Come to think of it, I still do.

rffp · Post by **rffp** » 07 Nov 2010, 14:02

2 hours for the start and clouds are moving south from where I am towards Interlagos. There could be rain, but the chances are not large, I would say.

patrick · Post by **patrick** » 07 Nov 2010, 14:30

quick question. If Button had been unable to race due to last night, would Paffett be allowed to race instead? and if so would he have kept the same grid position? Or do driver entries have to be sorted on the thursday and are set in stone, leaving Button's car empty for the race?

rffp wrote:2 hours for the start and clouds are moving south from where I am towards Interlagos. There could be rain, but the chances are not large, I would say.

interesting! keep us posted! are you going to watch at the circuit?

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 07 Nov 2010, 14:35

patrick wrote:Sao Paulo is indeed a rough place, but let us not forget that Karun Chandhok and his manager were successfully robbed at Monza. Does that mean F1 should leave Italy too?

You do realise I'm going to say yes to that.

rffp · Post by **rffp** » 07 Nov 2010, 15:12

patrick wrote:quick question. If Button had been unable to race due to last night, would Paffett be allowed to race instead? and if so would he have kept the same grid position? Or do driver entries have to be sorted on the thursday and are set in stone, leaving Button's car empty for the race?

rffp wrote:2 hours for the start and clouds are moving south from where I am towards Interlagos. There could be rain, but the chances are not large, I would say.

interesting! keep us posted! are you going to watch at the circuit?

I don't think a reserve driver would be allowed to fill in the spot, McLaren would have only 1 car.

Not this year, I got a 10 months-old daughter to attend! But next year, I plan to go to the Indycar race. I am north from the track, and I see that further north more clouds are forming, but still many blue patches in the sky.

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 07 Nov 2010, 15:13

patrick wrote:quick question. If Button had been unable to race due to last night, would Paffett be allowed to race instead? and if so would he have kept the same grid position? Or do driver entries have to be sorted on the thursday and are set in stone, leaving Button's car empty for the race?

It's either that you have to compete in qualifiying or you have to drive in one Saturday session; I forget which. Which is why Kobayashi wasn't in the Toyota at Japan last year.

Bruno Senna has had a gearbox change; giving him a meaningless five place grid penalty.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 07 Nov 2010, 15:22

Not sure Jake Humphrey's maths lesson is really going to be grabbing the casual viewers watching the late afternoon race on the BBC!

Really looking forward to this one, though. Don't disappoint us, guys!

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 07 Nov 2010, 15:23

ADx_Wales wrote:
patrick wrote:Sao Paulo is indeed a rough place, but let us not forget that Karun Chandhok and his manager were successfully robbed at Monza. Does that mean F1 should leave Italy too?

You do realise I'm going to say yes to that.

It provides an excellent opportunity for F1 to leave that dreadful Monza track for good.

LukeB · Post by **LukeB** » 07 Nov 2010, 15:29

So who's up for a trip to Valencia next season? Just remember to bring your balaclavas.

rffp · Post by **rffp** » 07 Nov 2010, 15:31

30 minutes to start and no sign of rain, although the sky to the east is overcast!

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 07 Nov 2010, 15:48

Klien's HRT has stopped on the track and has been brought into the pitlane. Autosport reports his chances of starting are "slim".

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 07 Nov 2010, 15:49

I haven't been this excited about a race since Brazil 2008, where I fondly remember throwing practically every object in front of me. I then proceeded to stomp into my room, and slam the door shut. Then I leaped into my bed, where I began shedding tears of distraught. I'm not too negative about Lewis anymore though. If Nico gets a podium, I wont be able to sleep, if he wins, god knows what I'll do.

But knowing Williams' terrible strategy, he might very well end up with nothing. That, or the Cosworth engine, which has been the most reliable all season, will blow up with a few laps to go. About that, there is an article on the WilliamsF1 site about Cosworth's first pole since 1999. They were calling it the Brazilian connection, but perhaps went too far by mixing up the facts, ie, saying Senna's last pole was at Brazil 1993.

Anyway....

THE HULK!!!!!!

Dan B · Post by **Dan B** » 07 Nov 2010, 15:50

GwilymJJames wrote:Klien's HRT has stopped on the track and has been brought into the pitlane. Autosport reports his chances of starting are "slim".

Sasetti would be proud. The thing never exited the pit lane!

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 07 Nov 2010, 16:10

I almost got kicked out of the BRDC clubhouse at Silverstone yesterday, where I was watching qualifying. 2 of my mates who were there are design engineers with Force India and stand to get a significant bonus if Force India hold off Williams for 6th place in the constructors' championship. When The Incredible Hulk did his 1st pole lap (which he improved later on) they jumped off their chairs at the same time and shouted 'bastard' at the screen. This did not go down well.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 07 Nov 2010, 16:11

Hulkenberg, if you lose that podium position, you better take Fernando with you. God speed Nico.

OH COME ON.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 07 Nov 2010, 16:17

Nice defending Hulkenberg. Especially when Hamilton dived down the inside.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 07 Nov 2010, 16:28

Get out of the way Vitaly....

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 07 Nov 2010, 16:54

Red Bull for 2010 WCC, it seems.

Henrique · Post by **Henrique** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:02

Yeah, but I doubt Webber will celebrate if the race ends like this.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:06

It still allows him to take the title with a Webber-Vettel 1-2 at Abu Dhabi.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:08

OHHHHH SNAP!!!! SAFETY CAR!

Henrique · Post by **Henrique** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:09

Oh boy.

Snapper · Post by **Snapper** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:38

So same scenario next weekend will we see Vettel lift for Webber on final laps to give Webber the title since Seb wouldn't cover the 15 pts to over take Alonso? It's not like Alonso would be able to whine about it....

Libertango · Post by **Libertango** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:40

Congrats Red Bull! It was theirs to take this year

!!!

Debaser · Post by **Debaser** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:42

If Webber leads a Red Bull 1-2 in Abu Dhabi, he wins the title. The massive question now is whether this will happe, whether he will get any help.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:43

Ah well, there's always next week... At least the safety car added a little bit of late interest.

Four drivers in contention at the final race is pretty impressive, though.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:45

Williams in the top half of the standings where they belong. Oh, and there's 4 drivers who can clinch the title next week as well.

Blackmore · Post by **Blackmore** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:46

Very dull that i thought. Only the second wholly dull race of the season though.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:47

I don't know about anybody else, but I can't wait for next weekend to get here.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:50

Right, first off congratulations to Red Bull. Ever since they joined Formula 1, I thought they'd be a short-lived joke. I won't change my mind about a team created specifically to sell fizzy drinks just yet, but they deserve this one. Well done.

Second, Hulkenberg. No, I didn't really expect any better in the dry. He stayed out of trouble (more than what can be said from half the field) and kept in front of Kubica's Renault. Cheers to him as well.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:54

Congrats Nico. You clinched pole, had everyone on your side, fell back thanks to Red Bull, and after the pit stop nearly dissappeared of the face of the earth.

At least you proved Vettel wrong in qualifying!

This is the first pole position for a Cosworth-powered engine since the 1999 French GP, when Rubens Barrichello, out of all people, clinched pole with a Stewart. Oddly enough, Stewart turned into Jaguar, who turned into Red Bull, who won the Constructor's Championship today.

On a very side note, does Buick or Chevrolet in F1 sound like a good idea?

patrick · Post by **patrick** » 07 Nov 2010, 18:01

JeremyMcClean wrote:On a very side note, does Buick or Chevrolet in F1 sound like a good idea?

sure, it'll bring in a lot of american fans as well. Can't really be bad unless they just flap around for years (cough, toyota)

Shame the race was a bit of an anti-climax. I think Hulk did great though, they weren't really expecting more when they arrived this week to be fair.

Valrys · Post by **Valrys** » 07 Nov 2010, 18:08

Semi-decent race, but I've been looking at the stats, and I believe this result puts Red Bull in a bit of a quandry.

If at the finish next weekend, they're once again 1st - Vettel, 2nd - Webber, 3rd - Alonso, Alonso will take the title due to number of 3rd places, being tied with Vettel on points, wins and 2nds.

Now, this would mean that Red Bull would either have to, a) Throw away the drivers title, b) Make Webber run Alonso off the road, c) swap Webber in front of Vettel. Can't wait for it.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 07 Nov 2010, 18:34

Valrys wrote:Semi-decent race, but I've been looking at the stats, and I believe this result puts Red Bull in a bit of a quandry.

If at the finish next weekend, they're once again 1st - Vettel, 2nd - Webber, 3rd - Alonso, Alonso will take the title due to number of 3rd places, being tied with Vettel on points, wins and 2nds.

In that scenario, Alonso is still ahead on points, no need to apply countback.

To be even on points Alonso would have to be 5th, and Vettel would win by having finished more times in fourth place.

With Alonso 4th, both Vettel and Alonso have an identical result sheet of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th places, but Alonso has two more points because he has two 8th places, while Vettel has just a 7th.

Valrys · Post by **Valrys** » 07 Nov 2010, 18:42

Ferrim wrote:
Valrys wrote:Semi-decent race, but I've been looking at the stats, and I believe this result puts Red Bull in a bit of a quandry.

If at the finish next weekend, they're once again 1st - Vettel, 2nd - Webber, 3rd - Alonso, Alonso will take the title due to number of 3rd places, being tied with Vettel on points, wins and 2nds.

In that scenario, Alonso is still ahead on points, no need to apply countback.

To be even on points Alonso would have to be 5th, and Vettel would win by having finished more times in fourth place.

With Alonso 4th, both Vettel and Alonso have an identical result sheet of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th places, but Alonso has two more points because he has two 8th places, while Vettel has just a 7th.

haha, oops, of course, massive brain fade on my part

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 07 Nov 2010, 19:18

Nico Hulkenberg cocked that race up altogether then, we were impressed with him in qually, but the race on sunday goes to show how stupid the rules are for the top 10 qualifiers, Nico clearly burned up his starting set, because that's the ones he burnt in qualifying, made himself look like ME in the F1 2010 game in my first season, and Brundle saying he's the "cork in the champagne bottle" well once the cork was taken off the champagne was past its "best before" date. Vettel got by first, then Webber, and then Alonso, why he felt like holding up the other title contender I've no idea.

Not that he's ROTR, but he's bloody close.