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CoopsII wrote:Did you hate that silly Hamilton/Rosberg as Senna/Prost thing? Well, get ready for the Hamilton/Vettel as Senna/Mansell thing which Vettel has brought to life in the quotes in this link...

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/latest/headlines/2015/10/vettel--senna-mansell-style-rivalry-with-hamilton-would-be-fun.html

I don't blame Vettel, it's just him thinking aloud, but I wonder if he realises how comments like that are simply fuel for lazy journalists up and down the paddock.


Or maybe he does wants to cause chaos. That Seb
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CoopsII wrote:Did you hate that silly Hamilton/Rosberg as Senna/Prost thing? Well, get ready for the Hamilton/Vettel as Senna/Mansell thing which Vettel has brought to life in the quotes in this link...

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/latest/headlines/2015/10/vettel--senna-mansell-style-rivalry-with-hamilton-would-be-fun.html

I don't blame Vettel, it's just him thinking aloud, but I wonder if he realises how comments like that are simply fuel for lazy journalists up and down the paddock.


The most important thing in that exercise was knowing to which driver Vettel was comparing himself to. He must have at least thought about it when he came up with that. Is it Mansell? Everyone knows that Hamilton sees himself as his hero Senna. If it is indeed Mansell, it would be awesome if Vettel showed up at the next GP sporting a mustache and upped his whining antics before, during and after the race.
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DanielPT wrote:The most important thing in that exercise was knowing to which driver Vettel was comparing himself to. He must have at least thought about it when he came up with that. Is it Mansell? Everyone knows that Hamilton sees himself as his hero Senna. If it is indeed Mansell, it would be awesome if Vettel showed up at the next GP sporting a mustache and upped his whining antics before, during and after the race.

I think Vettel already whines enough when he doesn't get his way, thank you very much :S So in that sense he's got a little essence of Nigel in him.
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Rob Dylan wrote:I think Vettel already whines enough when he doesn't get his way, thank you very much :S So in that sense he's got a little essence of Nigel in him.


My rose tinted glasses say that whining enough is not enough in the Mansell magnitude scale. This famous scale says that the level of destruction Vettel causes is only 5.5 in the Mansell scale. You will need 9.0 or greater to be Mansell.
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I wonder if this travesty of drivers being compared to drivers of the past is a feature of the modern age, a lack of imagination somewhat akin to Hollywood rebooting every moderately successful movie made. It almost feels like an unfair and inaccurate admission that the current top drivers aren't quite in the same league as those from the past. And what's with the obsession with those drivers from the late 80s anyway? Is that a reflection of the average age of the journo's reporting this guff?
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CoopsII wrote:I wonder if this travesty of drivers being compared to drivers of the past is a feature of the modern age, a lack of imagination somewhat akin to Hollywood rebooting every moderately successful movie made. It almost feels like an unfair and inaccurate admission that the current top drivers aren't quite in the same league as those from the past. And what's with the obsession with those drivers from the late 80s anyway? Is that a reflection of the average age of the journo's reporting this guff?


I am guessing that it is part of a certain age of revivalism that we are going through. As for the obsession with those drivers from the late 80s, I am guessing that it is perceived as an age of multiple greats and the last one before this that we live in so still are the benchmark for this day. Imagine in 10 years you would people say that this driver is the new Vettel or the new Hamilton and "remember those days where they fought toe to toe for championships? Those were the days blah blah blah" type of stuff.
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CoopsII wrote:I wonder if this travesty of drivers being compared to drivers of the past is a feature of the modern age, a lack of imagination somewhat akin to Hollywood rebooting every moderately successful movie made. It almost feels like an unfair and inaccurate admission that the current top drivers aren't quite in the same league as those from the past. And what's with the obsession with those drivers from the late 80s anyway? Is that a reflection of the average age of the journo's reporting this guff?

It is certainly the case that the vast majority of those who are watching the sport right now are in their 40's, so most of them would have been growing up with the drivers of the late 1980's as their first taste of the sport. I would therefore not be surprised if the journalists are behaving similarly and are therefore using the drivers of the late 1980's as their baseline.
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CoopsII wrote:Did you hate that silly Hamilton/Rosberg as Senna/Prost thing? Well, get ready for the Hamilton/Vettel as Senna/Mansell thing which Vettel has brought to life in the quotes in this link...

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/latest/headlines/2015/10/vettel--senna-mansell-style-rivalry-with-hamilton-would-be-fun.html

I don't blame Vettel, it's just him thinking aloud, but I wonder if he realises how comments like that are simply fuel for lazy journalists up and down the paddock.


so Vettel see's himself as Mansell now.... ummmm okay.....
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CoopsII wrote:Did you hate that silly Hamilton/Rosberg as Senna/Prost thing? Well, get ready for the Hamilton/Vettel as Senna/Mansell thing which Vettel has brought to life in the quotes in this link...

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/latest/headlines/2015/10/vettel--senna-mansell-style-rivalry-with-hamilton-would-be-fun.html

I don't blame Vettel, it's just him thinking aloud, but I wonder if he realises how comments like that are simply fuel for lazy journalists up and down the paddock.


so Vettel see's himself as Mansell now.... ummmm okay.....

That's why Vettel chose number 5.
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so Vettel see's himself as Mansell now.... ummmm okay.....

That's why Vettel chose number 5.

So not because that was Schumi's number in 1994 then?
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so Vettel see's himself as Mansell now.... ummmm okay.....

That's why Vettel chose number 5.

So not because that was Schumi's number in 1994 then?
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WeirdKerr wrote:so Vettel see's himself as Mansell now.... ummmm okay.....

That's why Vettel chose number 5.

I can't tell if you're joking or being serious - I'm guessing the former, when in fact the latter is quite possibly an influence. I do recall him a few years back referring to his first world title winning machine as "Red Five". You can see why;

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I think he's taking this "I'm the next Mansell" thing really seriously. Il Nuovo Rosso Cinque :shock:
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WeirdKerr wrote:so Vettel see's himself as Mansell now.... ummmm okay.....

That's why Vettel chose number 5.

I can't tell if you're joking or being serious - I'm guessing the former, when in fact the latter is quite possibly an influence. I do recall him a few years back referring to his first world title winning machine as "Red Five". You can see why;

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I think he's taking this "I'm the next Mansell" thing really seriously. Il Nuovo Rosso Cinque :shock:

Well, it's certainly something new. Getting a bit tired of most drivers worshipping at the altar of the Church of Senna, led by a certain Lewis H. from Hertfordshire...
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tommykl wrote:Well, it's certainly something new. Getting a bit tired of most drivers worshipping at the altar of the Church of Senna, led by a certain Lewis H. from Hertfordshire...

That's LORD Senna to you
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tommykl wrote:Well, it's certainly something new. Getting a bit tired of most drivers worshipping at the altar of the Church of Senna, led by a certain Lewis H. from Hertfordshire...

That's LORD Senna to you

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Biscione wrote:This message was brought to you by Church of Senna.

Pastor Maldonado has officiated there before now.

Yes, I'm doing the Pastor-as-religious-leader thing once again.
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tommykl wrote:Well, it's certainly something new. Getting a bit tired of most drivers worshipping at the altar of the Church of Senna, led by a certain Lewis H. from Hertfordshire...


Good point. The only driver I can ever remember openly being more of a Prost fan rather than Senna before this was Mark Webber. It's nice that Vettel chose someone different too.
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tommykl wrote:Well, it's certainly something new. Getting a bit tired of most drivers worshipping at the altar of the Church of Senna, led by a certain Lewis H. from Hertfordshire...


Good point. The only driver I can ever remember openly being more of a Prost fan rather than Senna before this was Mark Webber. It's nice that Vettel chose someone different too.


That being said is well known what a complete disgrace it is for nobody to declare their love for Pierre-Henri Raphanel.
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Speaking of glorifying the late-1980s, we are all guilty of doing the same, even if it is for completely different reasons. The rejects of those days exemplify the lack of professionalism that embodies the very spirit of this site. Say what you want about Manor, and as much as I like them, they may be a laughing stock to some, but they are model professionals compared to the likes of Osella, Coloni and Eurobrun.

DanielPT wrote:That being said is well known what a complete disgrace it is for nobody to declare their love for Pierre-Henri Raphanel.


That's because i'm loyal to Christian Danner.
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DanielPT wrote:That being said is well known what a complete disgrace it is for nobody to declare their love for Pierre-Henri Raphanel.


That's because i'm loyal to Christian Danner.

Would it be too predictable at this point if I mention Giovanna Amati? Because the first driver I was genuinely a fan of was her replacement..
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dr-baker wrote:
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DanielPT wrote:That being said is well known what a complete disgrace it is for nobody to declare their love for Pierre-Henri Raphanel.


That's because i'm loyal to Christian Danner.

Would it be too predictable at this point if I mention Giovanna Amati? Because the first driver I was genuinely a fan of was her replacement..

Please. It's all about that Patrick Nève.
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FullMetalJack wrote:
tommykl wrote:Well, it's certainly something new. Getting a bit tired of most drivers worshipping at the altar of the Church of Senna, led by a certain Lewis H. from Hertfordshire...


Good point. The only driver I can ever remember openly being more of a Prost fan rather than Senna before this was Mark Webber. It's nice that Vettel chose someone different too.

Button has also spoken about how he has always been a Prost fan and found him to be a positive influence on him when he was a young driver. Equally, it could be said that Kimi has tended to draw a comparison between himself and Hunt (for example, by using a helmet styled on Hunt's on special occasions).
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tommykl wrote:Well, it's certainly something new. Getting a bit tired of most drivers worshipping at the altar of the Church of Senna, led by a certain Lewis H. from Hertfordshire...


Good point. The only driver I can ever remember openly being more of a Prost fan rather than Senna before this was Mark Webber. It's nice that Vettel chose someone different too.

Button has also spoken about how he has always been a Prost fan and found him to be a positive influence on him when he was a young driver. Equally, it could be said that Kimi has tended to draw a comparison between himself and Hunt (for example, by using a helmet styled on Hunt's on special occasions).

Well, there's plenty of similarities between Kimi and James Hunt off the track at least...
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mario wrote:
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tommykl wrote:Well, it's certainly something new. Getting a bit tired of most drivers worshipping at the altar of the Church of Senna, led by a certain Lewis H. from Hertfordshire...


Good point. The only driver I can ever remember openly being more of a Prost fan rather than Senna before this was Mark Webber. It's nice that Vettel chose someone different too.

Button has also spoken about how he has always been a Prost fan and found him to be a positive influence on him when he was a young driver. Equally, it could be said that Kimi has tended to draw a comparison between himself and Hunt (for example, by using a helmet styled on Hunt's on special occasions).

Button's debut in an F1 test was for the Prost F1 team, if I remember correctly, back in 1999, prior to his Williams shootout test.
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My gripe with drivers comparing themselves to other past champions, is that with the exception of Kimi, who went so far as to enter a rallye as James Hunt once, no driver goes beyond Prost, Senna, or Mansell. Where's the love for Fangio? Or Schumi? or even Lauda?

Why are drivers from the 80's so revered?
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Wallio wrote:My gripe with drivers comparing themselves to other past champions, is that with the exception of Kimi, who went so far as to enter a rallye as James Hunt once, no driver goes beyond Prost, Senna, or Mansell. Where's the love for Fangio? Or Schumi? or even Lauda?

Why are drivers from the 80's so revered?


I think it's because F1 had only really become mass-broadcasted at this period of time across the world, and tons of "iconic" Youtube clips of Senna wrestling a manual-gearbox McLaren around Monaco are freely available. Furthermore, there's the films that have been released in the last few years; Rush glamourised James Hunt's lifestyle at the time, whilst Senna painted a, well, very pro-Senna picture. And then there's the rivalries; Prost exists as a calculating, percentage-playing antithesis to Senna's exuberance in the eyes of many, and Mansell joins that time period as the apple of the British media's eye at that point in time.

A lot of people at this current time have experienced Schumacher at this point in time first-hand, and so his exploits in F1 are less glamourous since rose-tinted glasses don't usually extend to the 1990s. That's not to say that his time in F1 won't ever be as revered as Senna/Prost/Mansell, but I think he was involved too recently. For Lauda, I'm not sure; I think perhaps the names of Hunt and Prost overshadow his own, but with Rush being released, I think Lauda's being talked about a lot more. I think the likes of Fangio, Clark, Hill, and other icons from that time perhaps came a bit too early; we don't really have any real video footage of them racing or much else to go on. Jackie Stewart's book perhaps coloured a lot in of what it was like to race in those times, but again, it's hard to be a modern-day icon when no real footage of your racing exploits exist in the mainstream media.
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Just throwing this in the mix but Jackie Stewart's icon was Fangio & Gilles icon was Ronnie Peterson.
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And i've heared almost half of the current field saying Schumacher was one of their idols.

The only thing about the eighties is that there were multiple idols and were succesful for a whole decade or even more. In the nineties/early nillies only Schumacher was consistently succesful, so he's the only one people reference themselves to from that era. In the eighties/early nineties you had Prost, Senna, Mansell, Piquet. In the early years also Rosberg and Lauda. And locally there was Boutsen, though anonymous to international standards, did really wonders for the local interest in F1 and motorsport in general.
And everything before the eighties didn't have enough coverage to appeal to the masses. If they make a great movie about Fangio or Clark, i'm sure people will admire them more. Sure, there are lots of stories and pictures, but people can't really vision things properly. The only good reference we have is the Grand Prix movie, but that centers mostly around fictional characters.
I'm sure some drivers looked up to the drivers before the first world war at some point, but considering the lack of media coverage, it was only a select few.
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ibsey wrote:Just throwing this in the mix but Jackie Stewart's icon was Fangio & Gilles icon was Ronnie Peterson.

And Andretti cites Ascari as his idol.
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With the exception of 1993, the first few races in 1994 and until 2008 I mostly had a driver that I supported (Mansell between '87 and '92 then Coulthard when he came in during 1994) but since 2008 I have been a neutralish fan of the sport as none of the drivers have attracted me to follow them with the exception of maybe Kubica until his rally accident took him out the sport.... I need a driver to excite me None of the current crop do that.... or is it just this lift and coast form of "racing" that's causing me to question if I really want to watch the races any more
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I guess the reason why most current F1 drivers cite 80's/90's drivers as there hero's because F1 was a damn sexy back then. I mean not only was the cars basically a driver seat strapped to a ridiculous powerful engine which when the weren't spitting out their drivers were spiting flames and deafening spectators.

But also the tracks were proper tracks, i.e. street circuits like detriot & Dallas being bumpy as hell. Even tracks like Spa & Mexico were so much more challenging then todays version. So F1 seemed like more of a physical effort back then (i.e. Mansell fainting after Dallas in 1984 or Senna after his first few races in 1984 etc). So you had to salute any driver that made it to the end of the GP back then.

Then there was the danger element....

Also I remember hearing drivers of recent years like Irvine, JV etc saying they don't how the drivers of the early 1980's had the balls to driver those cars flat out bearing in mind how dangerous they were, These comments were made immediately after Eddie & Jacques had driven those cars at the Goodwood FOS. So in additon to the above I guess it took a special kind of courage. Especially when you consider how drivers just got on with the job even after a terrible fatality.

I guess what I am trying to say is considering all of the above is drivers find F1 a different sport 'back in the day' in terms of. danger, competition, Physical effort. And therefore they secretly wonder whether they would have had what it took took to be as successful as their idols?
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WeirdKerr wrote:or is it just this lift and coast form of "racing" that's causing me to question if I really want to watch the races any more

Yes, because fuel saving was totally never an integral part of racing before 2014...
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tommykl wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:or is it just this lift and coast form of "racing" that's causing me to question if I really want to watch the races any more

Yes, because fuel saving was totally never an integral part of racing before 2014...


I blame the radio broadcasts in part. Had they been open in the mid 80s you'd probably have people bitching about it then.

I say "in part" because there's other factors at play probably generational - for instance I've been having fun watching downloaded races from that era over the past few months, for me they're still as awesome as I remembered them as a child, but I wonder if those sort of races happened today you'd have like "waaaahhhh no overtaking waaahhhh no pitstops" while Paul Hembery petitions the FIA for Pirelli-shod Gerhard Berger to be disqualified from his 1986 Mexican GP win for having the temerity to win the race by dint of not making a pitstop (which is totally boring, apparently) before launching himself off the top of that big Jesus statue that was nearby the Jacarepagua track in a fit of despair that tyre changes were optional.

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Don't apologise, I've often thought we should have a Drunk Thread where people can go off at a tangent without censure or tut-tutting.
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CoopsII wrote:
MorbidelliObese wrote:(I'm drunk rambling, sorry)

Don't apologise, I've often thought we should have a Drunk Thread where people can go off at a tangent without censure or tut-tutting.


Do people drink that much in this forum? :?:
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WeirdKerr wrote:or is it just this lift and coast form of "racing" that's causing me to question if I really want to watch the races any more

Yes, because fuel saving was totally never an integral part of racing before 2014...


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DanielPT wrote:
CoopsII wrote:
MorbidelliObese wrote:(I'm drunk rambling, sorry)

Don't apologise, I've often thought we should have a Drunk Thread where people can go off at a tangent without censure or tut-tutting.


Do people drink that much in this forum? :?:

There's lot of people from UK, Ireland, Australia, US, Belgium, Germany, Finland and Eastern Europe, of course they drink a lot :P
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Out of interest, should such a thread exist (and it should), who would be it be in memory of?
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Rob Dylan wrote:Out of interest, should such a thread exist (and it should), who would be it be in memory of?

James Hunt? Kimi Raikkonen? Johnnie Walker? Moet et Chandon?
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dr-baker wrote:
Rob Dylan wrote:Out of interest, should such a thread exist (and it should), who would be it be in memory of?

James Hunt? Kimi Raikkonen? Johnnie Walker? Moet et Chandon?

Duncan Hamilton, of course.
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