Son of The Boss - Max Verstappen

S951 · Post by **S951** » 24 Nov 2013, 20:27

just reading on autosport forum Max has a stupidly good karting record so far and had broken plenty of lap records in formula renault testing against more experience drivers, anyone else been watching him? think it may be watching forumla renault next year if he is that good

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 24 Nov 2013, 20:29

S951 wrote:just reading on autosport forum Max as a stupidly good karting record so far and had broken plenty of lap records in formula renault testing against more experience drivers, anyone else been watching him? think it may be watching forumla renault next year if he is that good

Is it 2.0 or 3.5?

S951 · Post by **S951** » 24 Nov 2013, 20:31

should of said 2.0 sorry

noiceinmydrink · Post by **noiceinmydrink** » 24 Nov 2013, 22:18

Looking forward to seeing Kevin Magnussen's replacement in action.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 24 Nov 2013, 22:45

Mexicola wrote:Looking forward to seeing Kevin Magnussen's replacement in action.

Wut. He's 16 and has just graduated from karting. :roll:

If anyone's gonna replace Magnussen, it'll probably be Stoffel Vandoorne. :roll:

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 24 Nov 2013, 23:06

Salamander wrote:
Mexicola wrote:Looking forward to seeing Kevin Magnussen's replacement in action.

Wut. He's 16 and has just graduated from karting. If anyone's gonna replace Magnussen, it'll probably be Stoffel Vandoorne.

http://statsf1.com/en/stewart-sf02.aspx

noiceinmydrink · Post by **noiceinmydrink** » 25 Nov 2013, 22:25

Salamander wrote:Wut. He's 16 and has just graduated from karting. If anyone's gonna replace Magnussen, it'll probably be Stoffel Vandoorne.

Yeah, because I was being entirely serious with my post. Come on, man...

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 13 Dec 2013, 07:42

Salamander wrote:
Mexicola wrote:Looking forward to seeing Kevin Magnussen's replacement in action.

Wut. He's 16 and has just graduated from karting. If anyone's gonna replace Magnussen, it'll probably be Stoffel Vandoorne.

Looks like your Magnussen fanboyism made you totally miss the joke :roll:

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 13 Dec 2013, 08:21

eurobrun wrote:
Salamander wrote:Wut. He's 16 and has just graduated from karting. If anyone's gonna replace Magnussen, it'll probably be Stoffel Vandoorne.

Looks like your Magnussen fanboyism made you totally miss the joke

... and your desire to get revenge on the world made you point out silly comments from three weeks ago. Stones and glass houses, my dear, stones and glass houses.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 13 Dec 2013, 08:24

Klon wrote:
eurobrun wrote:
Salamander wrote:Wut. He's 16 and has just graduated from karting. If anyone's gonna replace Magnussen, it'll probably be Stoffel Vandoorne.

Looks like your Magnussen fanboyism made you totally miss the joke

... and your desire to get revenge on the world made you point out silly comments from three weeks ago. Stones and glass houses, my dear, stones and glass houses.

Three weeks ago? I legit didn't realise when I posted that. I was just browsing through threads I had marked as unread.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 13 Dec 2013, 12:17

eurobrun wrote:
Klon wrote:
eurobrun wrote:Looks like your Magnussen fanboyism made you totally miss the joke

... and your desire to get revenge on the world made you point out silly comments from three weeks ago. Stones and glass houses, my dear, stones and glass houses.

Three weeks ago? I legit didn't realise when I posted that. I was just browsing through threads I had marked as unread.

Yeah, because it's not like there were two other posts pointing out the exact same thing. :roll:

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 13 Dec 2013, 12:20

Now, now girls, its Christmas time. Lets play nice for once.

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 13 Dec 2013, 12:51

CoopsII wrote:Now, now girls, its Christmas time. Lets play nice for once.

Jingle Bells
Bernie smells
I wish he'd go away

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 06 Feb 2014, 03:42

The new Verstappen on the blocks, Max, has just got his first win in cars in the Florida Winter Series, a championship run by Ferrari Driver Academy. http://www.paddockscout.com/verstappen-gets-first-car-win-in-shortened-third-palm-beach-race/

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 06 Feb 2014, 07:31

Florida and winter. :lol:

That's like saying sun and moon, Ron Dennis and Ferrari, or Kevin Spacey and Danny DeVito.

Frentzen127 · Post by **Frentzen127** » 06 Feb 2014, 21:29

Jocke1 wrote:...or Kevin Spacey and Danny DeVito.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... kF6E#t=162

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 07 Feb 2014, 02:48

wsrgo wrote:The new Verstappen on the blocks, Max, has just got his first win in cars in the Florida Winter Series, a championship run by Ferrari Driver Academy. http://www.paddockscout.com/verstappen-gets-first-car-win-in-shortened-third-palm-beach-race/

I think he'll be the new MaxiAttack. I sleo think he's bound to get in F1 in about 6 yesrs time with his stupidly good talent and progress.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 16 Feb 2014, 23:40

I appreciate that this is not a very original observation, but the likes of Max Verstappen and Kevin Magnussen make me feel ridiculously old. Surely their dads were only in F1 about five minutes ago...?

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 17 Feb 2014, 17:36

Paul Hayes wrote:I appreciate that this is not a very original observation, but the likes of Max Verstappen and Kevin Magnussen make me feel ridiculously old. Surely their dads were only in F1 about five minutes ago...?

And if one sees NASCAR/Stock Car Racing there's even more of the same. Makes us feel old when Chase Elliott might race his father Bill. Bill? He's almost been in semi-retirement from NASCAR as long as Jos Verstappen's been out of F1. This youth movement of some promising sons of the former drivers makes me feel old as well.

girry · Post by **girry** » 17 Feb 2014, 18:46

Don't worry about the sight of Jan Magnussen's son and your age - Jan is still actively racing sportscars across the pond. He's only 40.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 17 Feb 2014, 20:30

Thank you, you're very reassuring to a man who turned 30 last week!

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 04 Mar 2014, 13:33

http://www.paddockscout.com/karting-prodigy-max-verstappen-joins-fia-f3-grid-with-var/

Max Verstappen has gone straight from karts to F3. :shock:

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 04 Mar 2014, 14:49

wsrgo wrote:http://www.paddockscout.com/karting-prodigy-max-verstappen-joins-fia-f3-grid-with-var/

Max Verstappen has gone straight from karts to F3.

If anything that is testament to the deplorable state F3 is currently in.
Also, I noticed a Michele Beretta on that entry list... Could it be?

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 04 Mar 2014, 15:01

Waris wrote:
wsrgo wrote:http://www.paddockscout.com/karting-prodigy-max-verstappen-joins-fia-f3-grid-with-var/

Max Verstappen has gone straight from karts to F3.

If anything that is testament to the deplorable state F3 is currently in.
Also, I noticed a Michele Beretta on that entry list... Could it be?

I'm sorry, what do you find deplorable about the current state of the series?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 04 Mar 2014, 15:06

Waris wrote:Also, I noticed a Michele Beretta on that entry list... Could it be?

According to Autosport, this Beretta is Italian and Olivier Beretta is famously Monegasque. But those two countries are close enough to not make it impossible...

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 04 Mar 2014, 19:19

dr-baker wrote:close enough to not make it impossible...

I like those odds.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 31 Aug 2014, 16:49

So he did it faster time than I thought he would

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 31 Aug 2014, 20:13

Jocke1 wrote:Florida and winter.
That's like saying sun and moon, Ron Dennis and Ferrari, or Kevin Spacey and Danny DeVito.

Oh we do get some cold days down here. Maybe not as bad as the people up north, but you can still freeze to death at that time of year. We even get snow on rare occasions. If fact, we had one of our coldest winters on record earlier this year. Ice storms incapacitated most of the southeast for several days.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 05 Sep 2014, 17:51

wsrgo wrote:I'm sorry, what do you find deplorable about the current state of the series?

I'm not talking about the Euroseries (or whatever it's called nowadays) but about the category of F3 in general: it's apparently getting too expensive for teams to afford it, entry lists in national championships are shrinking, some countries (Italy) have already done away with their F3 championships, and FIA even created F4 as a new affordable single-seater category.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 05 Sep 2014, 18:10

Waris wrote:
wsrgo wrote:I'm sorry, what do you find deplorable about the current state of the series?

I'm not talking about the Euroseries (or whatever it's called nowadays) but about the category of F3 in general: it's apparently getting too expensive for teams to afford it, entry lists in national championships are shrinking, some countries (Italy) have already done away with their F3 championships, and FIA even created F4 as a new affordable single-seater category.

Waris has a point. Even the German AND British series are at risk too.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 05 Sep 2014, 18:17

Waris wrote:
wsrgo wrote:I'm sorry, what do you find deplorable about the current state of the series?

I'm not talking about the Euroseries (or whatever it's called nowadays) but about the category of F3 in general: it's apparently getting too expensive for teams to afford it, entry lists in national championships are shrinking, some countries (Italy) have already done away with their F3 championships, and FIA even created F4 as a new affordable single-seater category.

It's not just F3, the whole feeder series network is a complete and utter shambles. There are twice as many categories as need be with an ever-decreasing number of drivers and teams thinly spread across each. The costs continue to rise, and all the FIA can do is keep on inventing yet more categories to compound the problem even more!

I've always liked Gerhard Berger but in his role at the FIA he has done absolutely nothing to stop the general decline of feeder series all across Europe. If anything, things like the Euro F3 championship and F4 are just quickening the decline.

RAK · Post by **RAK** » 08 Sep 2014, 14:23

AndreaModa wrote:It's not just F3, the whole feeder series network is a complete and utter shambles. There are twice as many categories as need be with an ever-decreasing number of drivers and teams thinly spread across each. The costs continue to rise, and all the FIA can do is keep on inventing yet more categories to compound the problem even more!

I've been thinking about the big differences between the FIA and motorcycling's FIM with regard to this matter. The FIM has a solid set of racing categories in Grand Prix motorcycle racing, with the feeder classes of Moto2 and Moto3 looking very secure in comparison to the feeder series in single-seater car racing, as well as entry routes to MotoGP through various Superbike or Supersport championships. Of course, having many different classes of Grand Prix motorcycle racing has been a consistent thing since the very start, so this may be a contributing factor, but the FIM seems to be doing this in a more healthy manner than the FIA.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 08 Sep 2014, 18:47

RAK wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:It's not just F3, the whole feeder series network is a complete and utter shambles. There are twice as many categories as need be with an ever-decreasing number of drivers and teams thinly spread across each. The costs continue to rise, and all the FIA can do is keep on inventing yet more categories to compound the problem even more!

I've been thinking about the big differences between the FIA and motorcycling's FIM with regard to this matter. The FIM has a solid set of racing categories in Grand Prix motorcycle racing, with the feeder classes of Moto2 and Moto3 looking very secure in comparison to the feeder series in single-seater car racing, as well as entry routes to MotoGP through various Superbike or Supersport championships. Of course, having many different classes of Grand Prix motorcycle racing has been a consistent thing since the very start, so this may be a contributing factor, but the FIM seems to be doing this in a more healthy manner than the FIA.

Though keep in mind that Superbikes didn't exist until the very late 80s, itself having roots in the old "Formula 1" bike racing category created to give the Isle of Man TT, NW200, Ulster GP, etc some meaning once the world championships cleared off in the 70s. Until more recently there was quite a distinction between the two - Superbikes was always MotoGP's poorer brother because of the stock nature of the bikes. A bit like comparing F1 to BTCC. But that said, what developed was two very distinct "streams" - the world championship circus with 500cc and later MotoGP as the pinnacle and 125cc and 250cc as feeders, and then Superbikes, with Supersport and Superstock as feeders. Both were also backed by strong national championships - particularly in the case of Superbikes for Britain, and 125cc for Spain, whose championship was almost a pre-requisite for any rider worth his salt.

It's only in the past 5 years or so that the overlap between Superbikes and MotoGP has got so close to allow a fairly simple swap should a rider choose to do so. And that's not been without controversy. But overall yeah it's definitely more distinct than cars which is just all over the shop.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 08 Sep 2014, 20:37

AndreaModa wrote:It's only in the past 5 years or so that the overlap between Superbikes and MotoGP has got so close to allow a fairly simple swap should a rider choose to do so. And that's not been without controversy. But overall yeah it's definitely more distinct than cars which is just all over the shop.

Just ask Cal Crutchlow and Ben Spies and Colin Edwards to name a few who went from WSB to Moto GP!

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 08 Sep 2014, 20:45

Just to emphasise the terrible state of f3: in the British f3 at Thruxon there were 5 entires... Make of that what you will.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 08 Sep 2014, 21:34

andrew wrote:Just to emphasise the terrible state of f3: in the British f3 at Thruxon there were 5 entires... Make of that what you will.

And I thought 12 entries in TOCA Race Driver 2 on PSP, plus 8-10 in real life Formula Formula Ford this year (as part of the TOCA package) were poor shows...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 08 Sep 2014, 21:41

andrew wrote:Just to emphasise the terrible state of national f3: in the British f3 at Thruxon there were 5 entires... Make of that what you will.

Fixed. European F3 is doing fine.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 08 Sep 2014, 23:39

Salamander wrote:
andrew wrote:Just to emphasise the terrible state of national f3: in the British f3 at Thruxon there were 5 entires... Make of that what you will.

Fixed. European F3 is doing fine.

Which is a big reason why the national series are struggling, European F3 is the only F3 series the FIA really cares about. That isn't really a problem while there is still competitive grids though

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 09 Sep 2014, 00:08

RonDenisDeletraz wrote:
Salamander wrote:
andrew wrote:Just to emphasise the terrible state of national f3: in the British f3 at Thruxon there were 5 entires... Make of that what you will.

Fixed. European F3 is doing fine.

Which is a big reason why the national series are struggling, European F3 is the only F3 series the FIA really cares about. That isn't really a problem while there is still competitive grids though

The problem is of course the costs of competing in a pan-European season are bound to be higher than a national series like the British and German ones. That plus the FIA forcing the teams to use the latest spec chassis when it's clearly obvious the old ones are still fine, flies in the face of the whole point of the series in providing a good, cheap step on the motorsport ladder. The fact the FIA almost tried to force every F3 series to use the new chassis this year which would have ended everything even earlier than is now predicted, just confirms that.

And as a result of F3 dwindling, we now have F4. Can someone explain to me the point of this series? Is it a replacement to Formula Ford? If so, why aren't Ford a part of it? Why are the two series competing? And this is all before FRenault 2.0. It's all such a clusterf*ck of a mess.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 20 Sep 2014, 08:21

Max will participate in the Japanese Grand Prix's free practice 1... possibly in Vergne's car.