1981 Alternate F1 - Piquet and Shadow are champions!

[pi314159]

While driver signing hasn't started yet, here is a list of drivers who already have a seat for 1981:
Tom Pryce (McLaren)
James Hunt (McLaren)
Carlos Reutemann (Ensign)
Niki Lauda (Lotus)
Alain Prost (Renault)
Nigel Mansell (Alfa Romeo)

[Nessafox]

Sponsor preference for ATSwolf

Tier 1:
Rothmans
Warsteiner
Denim
Guinness
Saudia


Tier 2:
Rombo
Newsweek
Longines
Magirus
Valvoline
Deutz
PastaMatic
Shell

Tier 3:
Magneti Marelli
Agip
Roxill
Misal
Champion
brembo
Petruzzi
SKP
NGK
personal
Ferodo
Koni

[Salamander]

Arrows made a good season in 1980, proving that we can return to top teams and challenge Mclaren for the championship

McLaren disputes this assertation - Arrows was never really a threat to us. As was evidenced by their decision to wimp out and effectively concede the championship at about the halfway point when they still had plenty of money left.

[pycku]

We need the money so that we are competitive in 1980. Additionally we are the only team to beat Mclaren for the constructor championship since 1976...

[FantometteBR]

Tyrrell's 'wishes' for 1981 sponsorship

Tier 1
Elf
Tag
Essex
Candy
Warsteiner

Tier 2
British Leyland
Pioneer
Unipart
Tissot
Rizla
Nordica
Valvoline
Pastamatic

Tier 3
Magneti Marelli
Mobil
Esso
Allegrini
Arexons
Liqui Moly
Agip
Champion
Brembo
SKP
NGK
Ferodo

[Salamander]

We need the money so that we are competitive in 1980. Additionally we are the only team to beat Mclaren for the constructor championship since 1976...

... so what's to say you won't abandon this year in favour of 1982 then?

Also, you beating McLaren would be very relevant if this was 1979. Unfortunately for you, this is now 1981.

The choice is clear: Go with the proven champions, or go with a team that managed to beat them exactly once and never again.

[CaptainGetz12]

Before we post sponsor requests, we at Renault ant to know how much manufacturer sponsorship will be this year, if it's worth anything at all, as well as ho many sponsors we are allowed to have this year.

[Samster]

Boro's sponsor bids.

Tier 1
Gitanes: 4 500 000
Talbot: 3 750 000
Ragno: 3 500 000
Beta: 2 500 000
Skol: 2 250 000

Tier 2
Tissot: 500000
Rizla: 450000
Petrobras: 450000
Santal: 350000
Valvoline: 300000
PastaMatic: 250000
Achilli Motors: 250000
ICI: 200000

Tier 3
Facom: 150000
europcar: 125000
Cafe de Colombia: 125000
Liqui Moly: 125000
Agip: 100000
Champion: 100000
Ferodo: 75000
Koni: 50000

[pi314159]

Before we post sponsor requests, we at Renault ant to know how much manufacturer sponsorship will be this year, if it's worth anything at all, as well as ho many sponsors we are allowed to have this year.

Sponsor signing regulations are the same as last year.

[DemocalypseNow]

Osella had an excellent debut season with little resources, so expect a big upturn in interest for sponsorship.

Tier 1:
Parmalat: 5 000 000
Essex: 4 000 000
Candy: 3 500 000
Rothmans: 3 250 000
Denim: 3 000 000

Tier 2:
Courage: 650000
Pioneer: 600000
Unipart: 500000
Agip: 450000
Olivetti: 400000
Rombo: 375000
Magirus: 325000

Tier 3:
Magneti Marelli: 150000
Lepitre: 150000
Allegrini: 125000
Diavia: 125000
arexons: 125000
ISM: 125000
Copec: 125000
europcar: 125000
Liqui Moly: 125000
Agip: 100000
Champion: 100000
Ferodo: 75000
Koni: 50000

[AustralianStig]

Toleman are looking forward to their first season of F1, and firmly believe if they get the right backing they will be challenging for points regularly.

Tier 1:
Marlboro
JPS
Gitanes
Talbot
Ragno

Tier 2:
Pemex
Unipart
Saima
Scaini
Carta Blanca
Santal
Dallah
Motta

Tier 3:
Magneti Marelli
Esso
Lepitre
ISM
Caref
Roxill
Misal
brembo
Petruzzi
SKP
NGK
personal

[CaptainGetz12]

Renault's sponsor bids:

Tier 1:
Elf: 5 500 000
Parmalat: 5 000 000
JPS: 4 500 000
Gitanes: 4 500 000
Manufacturer Sponsor (Renault): ???

Tier 2:
Pemex: 600 000
Saima: 500 000
Petrobras: 450 000
Newsweek: 350 000
Longines: 350 000
Deutz: 300 000
Dallah: 250 000
Motta: 250 000

Tier 3:
Magneti Marelli: 150 000 (x3)
Esso: 150 000
ISM: 125 000
europcar: 125 000
Liqui Moly: 125 000
Agip: 100 000 (x2)
Roxill: 100 000
Champion: 100 000 (x2)
Brembo: 100 000 (x2)
Petruzzi: 100 000
personal: 75 000 (x2)
Frerodo: 75 000 (x2)

[Hermann95]

Williams sponsor bids:
Tier 1:
Marlboro
Elf
TAG
Parmalat
JPS

Tier 2:
British Leyland
Courage
Pioneer
Unipart
Saima
Tissot
Rizla
Scaini

Tier 3:
Magneti Marelli
Facom
Lepitre
Allegrini
Diavia
arexons
ISM
Caref
Copec
europcar
Cafe de Colombia
Liqui Moly

[Nuppiz]

Considering ATS Wolf is destined to drive around at the back, and this season is lost anyway, i want BRM works engines! Considering probably no-one else here is desperate enough to even consider BRM, they must be really happy to supply us!
But on the long term, i want the Porsche/TAG works deal!

Yes, they indeed are! We should discuss the details when the contract signing period is on.

March's sponsor enquiries:
Tier 1:
Candy
Ragno
Guinness
Saudia
Skol

Tier 2:
Pioneer
Unipart
Carta Blanca
Newsweek
Longines
Valvoline
Deutz
Shell

Tier 3:
Magneti Marelli
Facom
Lepitre
Allegrin
ISM
Caref
Cafe de Colombia
Roxill
Misal
Champion
Petruzzi
Ferodo

[Phoenix]

Lotus' (modest) sponsorship plans:

Tier 1
-Denim.
-Guinness.
-Saudia.
-Beta.
-Skol.

Tier 2
-Brasilinvest.
-Dallah.
-Motta.
-PastaMatic.
-Achilli Motors.
-Alpilatte.
-Shell.
-ICI.

Tier 3
-Liqui Moly.
-Agip.
-Roxill.
-Misal.
-Champion.
-Brembo.
-Petruzzi.
-SKP.
-NGK.
-Personal.
-Ferodo.
-Koni.

[Peteroli34]

Considering ATS Wolf is destined to drive around at the back, and this season is lost anyway, i want BRM works engines! Considering probably no-one else here is desperate enough to even consider BRM, they must be really happy to supply us!
But on the long term, i want the Porsche/TAG works deal!

The Previous owners of ATS signed a 2 year contract with Alfa-Romeo to supply them with engines.


Alfa Sponsorship

Tier 1
Malboro
ELF
TAG
Parmalat
Essex

Tier 2
Courage
Pemex
Pioneer
Unipart
Tissot
Petrobras
Agip
Valvoline

Tier 3
Magneti Marelli
Mobil
Esso
Facom
Lepitre
Allegrini
Diavia
arexons
ISM
Caref
Cafe de Colombia
europcar

[Nessafox]

Considering ATS Wolf is destined to drive around at the back, and this season is lost anyway, i want BRM works engines! Considering probably no-one else here is desperate enough to even consider BRM, they must be really happy to supply us!
But on the long term, i want the Porsche/TAG works deal!

The Previous owners of ATS signed a 2 year contract with Alfa-Romeo to supply them with engines.

Alright, then that contract will be honoured, i'm sorry Nuppiz, you'll need to find somebody else desperate enough.

[pi314159]

Deadline for posting your sponsorship plans is Tuesday, 18 PM CET. I don't want to set Sunday as a deadline, but it would be nice if you would manage to post your plans by then, as I could run the RNG a bit earlier.

[UncreativeUsername37]

As for Surtees...

Tier 1:
Gitanes
Essex
Talbot
Ragno
Candy

Tier 2:
Rizla
Nordica
Olivetti
Carta Blanca
Scaini
Rombo
Santal
Longines

Tier 3:
Copec
Liqui Moly
brembo
Champion
Agip
Petruzzi
Misal
Roxill
Ferodo
personal
SKP
NGK

[Londoner]

Project 4's sponsorship plans for 1981:

Tier 1:
JPS
Essex
Rothmans
Guinness
Beta

Tier 2:
British Leyland
Unipart
Scaini
Carta Blanca
Newsweek
Magirus
Valvoline
Motta

Tier 3:
Magneti Marelli
Lepitre
ISM
europcar
Agip
Roxill
Champion
brembo
Petruzzi
NGK
personal
Ferodo

[TomWazzleshaw]

Equipe Ligier will make bids for the following sponsors:

Tier 1:
Marlboro: 6 000 000
Elf: 5 500 000
Gitanes: 4 500 000
Talbot: 3 750 000
Candy: 3 500 000

Tier 2:
British Leyland: 700000
Courage: 650000
Pemex: 600000
Saima: 500000
Agip: 450000
Petrobras:450000
Scaini: 400000
Nordica: 400000

Tier 3:
Mobil: 1500000
Esso: 150000
Lepitre: 150000
Diavia: 125000
Caref: 125000
Copec: 125000
Cafe de Colombia: 125000
Roxill: 100000
Misal: 100000
brembo: 100000 (x2)
Petruzzi: 100000
SKP: 75000

[takagi_for_the_win]

Ferrari's commercial fun

Tier 1
Marlboro
TAG
Parmalat
Gitanes
Essex

Tier 2
Courage
Pemex
Pioneer
Unipart
Saima
Tissot
Agip
Scaini

Tier 3
Magnetti Marelli
Facom
Lepitre
Allegrini
Diavia
Arexons
ISM
Caref
Copec
Europcar
Liqui-Moly
Agip

[SuperAguri]

I know you've al been dying to know what Rebaques Sponsorship Requests are.... so, drum roll please...

Tier 1
Warsteiner
Saudia
Beta
Skol
Marlboro

Tier 2
Carta Blanca
Brasilinvest
Olivetti
Nordica
Rombo
Santal
Deutz
Alpilatte

Tier 3
Esso
Caref
Misal
Brembo
Petruzzi
SKP
NGK
Personal
Roxil
Koni
Arexons
Magneti Marelli

[pi314159]

Marlboro:
McLaren 1-75
Arrows 76-115
Ligier 116-145
Brabham 146-165
Ferrari 166-180
Williams 181-190
Alfa Romeo 191-195
Toleman 196-198
Rebaque 199-200
75! Marlboro continue their sponsorship for McLaren.

Elf:
Arrows: 1-75
Ligier: 76-125
Shadow: 126-160
Williams 161-185
Alfa: 186-191
Tyrrell: 192-196
Renault 197-200
127! Shadow get Elf sponsorship.

TAG:
Arrows 1-75
Brabham 76-125
Ferrari 126-155
Williams 156-185
Alfa 186-193
Tyrrell 194-200
76! The TAG sponsorship goes to Brabham.

Parmalat:
Arrows: 1-90
Ferrari 91-130
Williams 131-160
Osella 161-175
Ensign 176-190
Alfa Romeo 191-196
Renault 197-200
27! Parmalat sponsorship for Arrows.

JPS:
Williams 1-90
Project Four 91-145
Ensign 146-175
Renault 176-190
Toleman 191-200
135! Project Four sign JPS as their title sponsor.

Gitanes:
Ligier 1-110
Ferrari 111-175
Renault 176-190
Toleman 191-196
Boro 197-198
Surtees 199-200
4! Gitanes are sponsoring Ligier again.

Essex:
Ferrari 1-80
Osella 81-135
Ensign 136-165
Alfa Romeo 166-185
Tyrrell 186-197
Surtees 198-200
97! Surprise! Osella get Essex sponsorship.

Talbot:
Toleman 1-160
Surtees 161-200
152! Talbot sponsorship for the new Toleman team.

Ragno:
March 1-150
Theodore 151-180
Surtees 181-200
123! March have a title sponsor!

Candy:
Tyrrell 1-160
Surtees 161-200
72! Tyrrell are sponsored by Candy this season.

Rothmans:
Ensign 1-150
Theodore 151-195
ATS 196-200
189! Theodore get a major sponsor deal for their first year back in F1.

Warsteiner:
Rebaque 1-100
Boro 101-180
ATS 181-200
96! Warsteiner sponsorship goes to Rebaque.

Denim:
Lotus 1-198
ATS 199-200
126! Lotus sign Denim as their title sponsor.

Guinness:
Boro 1-160
ATS 161-200
112! Guinness replaces Warsteiner as Boro's title sponsor.

ATS get Saudia.

Ensign get Skol.

Beta:
Beta are left without interested teams, so it will be decided between the 5 teams who failed to get a sponsor so far.
Ferrari 1-85
Williams 86-165
Alfa 166-183
Renault 184-195
Surtees 196-200

85! Ferrari get Beta sponsorship.

[TomWazzleshaw]

With the help of Herr V8Fan, the 1981 wiki page is now online. Team numbers will remain the same as last year except for the following changes:

1. With the merger of ATS and Wolf, ATS will keep number set 34/35, leaving Wolf's old number set, 20/21, available
2. The closure of the Penske team has also left 22/23 available for 1981. By default, the two news teams have received 20/21 (Theodore) and 22/23 (Toleman) for this season
3. Kauhsen going bankrupt at the end of last year has also left 30/31 available. By default, these numbers were allocated to Osella, which means 44/45 is no longer available unless Osella prefers to keep their old numbers.

Of course, there's nothing stopping teams swapping number sets as long as both team owners have no problem with it.

[pi314159]

Tier 2 sponsorship RNG results:

British Leyland
McLaren 1-60
Arrows 61-100
Ligier 101-125
Shadow 126-145
Brabham 146-165
Williams 166-185
Project Four 186-195
Tyrrell 196-200
199! Tyrrell

Courage
McLaren 1-55
Arrows 56-90
Ligier 91-120
Shadow 121-138
Brabham 139-156
Ferrari 157-171
Williams 172-186
Osella 187-196
Alfa Romeo 197-200
149, Brabham!

Pemex:
McLaren 1-60
Arrows 61-100
Ligier 101-130
Shadow 131-150
Brabham 151-170
Ferrari 171-185
Alfa Romeo 186-191
Renault 192-195
Toleman 196-200
32, McLaren

Pioneer:
McLaren 1-50
Arrows 51-80
Shadow 81-105
Brabham 106-130
Ferrari 131-145
Williams 146-165
Osella 166-175
Project 4 176-184
March 185-190
Ensign 191-195
Alfa Romeo 196-198
Tyrrell 199-200
160, Williams

Unipart:
McLaren 1-75
Arrows 76-125
Ferrari 126-145
Williams 146-165
Osella 166-180
March 181-188
Alfa Romeo 189-193
Tyrrell 194-197
Toleman 198-200
57, McLaren

Saima
Arrows 1-70
Ligier 71-115
Shadow 116-145
Ferrari 146-165
Williams 166-180
Osella 181-192
Renault 193-196
Toleman 197-200
153, Ferrari

Tissot:
Arrows 1-70
Shadow 71-105
Brabham 106-140
Ferrari 141-165
Williams 166-185
Ensign 186-192
Alfa Romeo 193-196
Tyrrell 197-199
Boro 200
26, Arrows

Rizla:
Arrows 1-95
Brabham 96-145
Williams 146-180
Tyrrell 181-190
Theodore 191-196
Boro 197-198
Surtees 199-200
178, Williams

Agip:
Ligier 1-75
Shadow 76-125
Ferrari 126-155
Osella 156-185
Alfa Romeo 186-194
Theodore 195-200
171, Osella

Petrobras:
Ligier 1-100
Shadow 101-170
Ensign 171-185
Alfa Romeo 186-193
Renault 194-198
Boro 199-200
136, Shadow

Scaini:
Ligier 1-100
Ferrari 101-140
Williams 141-170
Project Four 171-190
Toleman 191-198
Surtees 199-200
92, Ligier

Carta Blanca:
Project Four 1-80
March 81-115
Ensign 116-165
Rebaque 166-180
Toleman 181-195
Surtees 196-200
131, Ensign

Olivetti:
Brabham 1-100
Osella 101-165
Rebaque 166-180
Theodore 176-190
Surtees 196-200
68, Brabham

Nordica:
Ligier 1-140
Tyrrell 141-165
Rebaque 166-180
Theodore 181-195
Surtees 196-200
188, Theodore!

Rombo:
Osella 1-165
Rebaque 166-185
Surtees 186-195
ATS 196-200
151, Osella

Santal
1-80 Toleman
81-130 Boro
131-180 Rebaque
181-200 Surtees
66, Toleman

Newsweek
1-80 Project Four
81-120 March
121-170 Ensign
171-195 Renault
196-200 ATS
137, Ensign

Longines:
March 1-80
Renault 81-135
Theodore 136-180
Surtees 181-195
ATS 196-200
119, Renault

Magirus:
Project Four 1-150
Theodore 151-195
ATS 196-200
63, Project Four

Valvoline:
Project Four 1-80
March 81-120
Alfa Romeo 121-155
Tyrrell 156-180
Boro 181-195
ATS 196-200
37, Project Four

Deutz:
March 1-75
Renault 76-150
Rebaque 151-190
ATS 191-200
196!!! ATS!

Brasilinvest:
Lotus 1-160
Rebaque 161-200
128, Lotus

Dallah:
Lotus 1-80
Renault 81-140
Toleman 141-200
43, Lotus

Motta
Renault 1-100
Toleman 101-200
131, Toleman

PastaMatic
Tyrrell 1-150
Boro 151-185
ATS 186-200
151, Boro

Achilli Motors:
Boro, no RNG needed

Alpilatte:
Rebaque 1-75
Theodore 76-200
74, Rebaque

Shell:
March 1-190
ATS 191-200
90, March

ICI:
Theodore, no RNG needed

[Hermann95]

By now, the sponsor signing is an abslout disaster for Williams...

[pi314159]

As I have done tier 1 and 2 sponsor signing now, the budgets are updated in the first post. You can now start building chassis and engines, make offers to drivers, buy tyres and negotiate engine contracts. However, I won't set a deadline until I have done tier 3 sponsor signing, so if you prefer to wait for that, you can do so.

Anyway, you will have enough time to sort all these things out, I will focus on ACO LMC meanwhile.

[Hermann95]

I have one question regarding engines: will upgrading the engine effect the building costs? and how much are the upgrading costs for engines?

[DemocalypseNow]

Osella will offer Riccardo Patrese a 1 year renewal @ 400K.
Our second choice is Nelson Piquet for 1 year at 300K.
Our third choice is Ronnie Peterson for 1 year at 400K.
Our fourth choice is Michele Alboreto for 1 year at 200K, with Ferrari paying 50% of this salary.
Our fifth choice is Emerson Fittipaldi for 1 year at 200K.

[Salamander]

McLaren would like to draw teams to the talents of Kevin Cogan, who scored a podium on his debut substituting for the injured Patrick Tambay at Shadow. He is a fantastic talent and would surely be a great addition to any team.

[Ataxia]

Theodore will try and squeeze as much money out of the following drivers:

Arie Luyendyk
Eddie Cheever
Brian Henton
Marc Surer

We're also looking for an engine deal. I'm not gonna have my pants pulled down, so if it ain't reasonable then we don't have a deal.

[DemocalypseNow]

We're also looking for an engine deal. I'm not gonna have my pants pulled down, so if it ain't reasonable then we don't have a deal.

Ah, buongiorno, I a understand you are looking for an engine deal? Don'ta worry, Tony got you covered. I got'a the finest plastic composite engines you can'a buy, at well below'a the market price. La payment structure is not even the normal type, more like a...subscription fee, if you will.

Don'ta worry, we won't be pulling any pants down, unless of course you'd like a visit to the best 'adult entertainment' in Sicily thrown in, ah?

[AustralianStig]

Leaving Toleman for a moment to focus on Hart's plans, if I may.

We would like to build a Tier 4 turbocharged engine focused on reliability - that will drain our funds to naught but Toleman will be buying the engines at cost ($400k), plus a $25k further investment into reliability. Any other teams will be able buy in for $450k, plus if willing to pay the upgrade costs will be able to invest in an upgrade of their choosing. Pays to get in quick while upgrades are cheap, but when they are more expensive Hart will consider subsidising any upgrades on a case by case basis.

We're also looking for an engine deal. I'm not gonna have my pants pulled down, so if it ain't reasonable then we don't have a deal.

Newcomers Hart are looking to supply teams with a turbocharged Tier 4 engine for $450k. The engine will boast considerable reliability. As above for an additional $50k Theodore may elect an upgrade of their choosing, and Hart will invest in that.

[Peteroli34]

Well Alfa Romeo are facing dire straights financially with no sponsors so far thus are we able to do what we did last season and take sponsorship money from the manufacturer.

[FantometteBR]

Tyrrell is looking for a long-term engine deal that can push us to anything else than lower positions at the grid/race.

Meanwhile, we are going to develop soon our car plans

[kevinbotz]

Elf Shadow Racing Team is now issuing a request for tenders regarding engine supply. Though other suppliers are welcome to submit bids, we are specifically predisposed towards Ferrari and Matra and would like to invite those parties to the negotiating table at this time.

[CaptainGetz12]

Renault will still provide the most well-rounded engine of the field, and seeing how well Arrows did with the engines last year, we hope that Tyrrell and Theodore, and any other team wanting a balance platform will take our engines into consideration when searching for a powerplant to use.

[SuperAguri]

Rebaque are accepting tenders for engines, however although we wish Hart all the best, we don't think that their engine will be competitive in the first year.

[TomWazzleshaw]

Ligier will make the following offers to the following drivers for the 1981 season:

1. Didier Pironi - 550k, 3 years
2. Jacques Laffite - 550k, 3 years
3. Alan Jones - 550k, 2 years
4. Henri Toivonen - 150k, 2 years
5. Teo Fabi - 150k, 2 years
6. Andrea de Cesaris - 150k, 1 year

In addition to these base payments, all our contracts will come with the following performance payments over the duration of their contracts:

Championship win: 100k
Top 3 in the chanpionship: 75k
Top 5 in the championship: 50k
Top 10 in the championship: 25k
Each point scored: 1k
Each pole position: 1k
Each fastest lap: 1k

EDIT: There really should be RNGs for whether Renault and Alfa will keep their works teams, because there's only so much that their respective HQs would tolerate the teams being run by incompetent fools