Most Forgettable Drivers

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 02 Jan 2013, 16:50

I forgot that Mika Salo and Norberto Fontana raced in '97.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 02 Jan 2013, 20:24

pi314159 wrote:Michael Bartels and Franck Lagorce

I'm sure I've said this somewhere before (can't be bothered to check) but I will always remember Franck Lagorce for his amazing aquaplaning Ligier and him getting out with his hands on his hips in classic 'WTF just happened there?' pose.

I *think*, though it doesn't seem to be credited as such, that this picture is on the front of Richard Williams's "Racers" book - certainly looks like a LIgier to me anyway.

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 03 Jan 2013, 18:05

I tend to forget Bernd Schneider was an F1 driver, since I mainly remember him for his DTM successes.

Also find Chico Serra's on-track F1 career rather forgettable.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 03 Jan 2013, 20:25

darkapprentice77 wrote:I forgot that Mika Salo and Norberto Fontana raced in '97.

Brundle mentioned a conspiracy theory involving Fontana and his sauber during the GP at Jerez... so not so forgetable

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 03 Jan 2013, 20:33

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:
tc3j3r wrote:No-one seems to have mentioned Robert Doornbos here, presumably because everyone's forgotten about him...

You're right, he was quite forgettable...

I had to check to remind myself that he did in fact enter 3 races for Red Bull. I had completely forgotten about that.

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 03 Jan 2013, 20:41

WeirdKerr wrote:
darkapprentice77 wrote:I forgot that Mika Salo and Norberto Fontana raced in '97.

Brundle mentioned a conspiracy theory involving Fontana and his sauber during the GP at Jerez... so not so forgetable

I believe Norberto 'came clean' on that conspiracy a couple of years ago. Claiming that Ferrari did indeed ask him to hold JV up slightly in that race. Whether he was just saying that for publicity or not is an entirely different matter of course.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 03 Jan 2013, 21:47

ibsey wrote:Also find Chico Serra's on-track F1 career rather forgettable.

I only remember him because of his birthday :lol:

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 04 Jan 2013, 01:24

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Massimiliano Papis. Son-in-law of Emerson Fittipaldi, godson of Alex Zanardi, but still inherited none of their talent.

I don't think it's easy to forget the only driver who was able to be slower than Taki Inoue.

And not get ran over by the safety car.

Post by **tommykl** » 04 Jan 2013, 08:17

eurobrun wrote:
ibsey wrote:Also find Chico Serra's on-track F1 career rather forgettable.

I only remember him because of his birthday

I remember him because of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx4681a9DVI :lol:

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 04 Jan 2013, 09:08

tommykl wrote:
eurobrun wrote:
ibsey wrote:Also find Chico Serra's on-track F1 career rather forgettable.

I only remember him because of his birthday

I remember him because of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx4681a9DVI

I thought someone might bring that up. That's why I specifically said his 'on track F1 career'. As I can't remember what he achieved in an F1 car or even who he drove for & at what GP's (without looking it up). Seems he will always be better remember for that fight rather anything he managed to achieved on track. Thanks for the video though, hadn't seen that for a while.

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 04 Jan 2013, 12:05

I'm willing to bet that Guy Ligier isn't universally remembered for his short F1 driving career either.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 06 Jan 2013, 04:20

ibsey wrote:I'm willing to bet that Guy Ligier isn't universally remembered for his short F1 driving career either.

I bet you are correct that most wouldn't know that Ligier was a F1 driver before he was an owner.

andrew2209 · Post by **andrew2209** » 06 Jan 2013, 10:09

darkapprentice77 wrote:I forgot that Mika Salo and Norberto Fontana raced in '97.

Salo also raced in 94, which is probably pretty forgetable.

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 06 Jan 2013, 10:57

Allen Berg - keep on forget that he was in F1. Even despite having read his interview on this site.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 06 Jan 2013, 14:15

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
ibsey wrote:I'm willing to bet that Guy Ligier isn't universally remembered for his short F1 driving career either.

I bet you are correct that most wouldn't know that Ligier was a F1 driver before he was an owner.

And I would bet that most people would not be aware that Bernie Ecclestone is an F1 Reject.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 06 Jan 2013, 15:45

dr-baker wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:
ibsey wrote:I'm willing to bet that Guy Ligier isn't universally remembered for his short F1 driving career either.

I bet you are correct that most wouldn't know that Ligier was a F1 driver before he was an owner.

And I would bet that most people would not be aware that Bernie Ecclestone is an F1 Reject.

Most people would not be aware that being an F1 Reject is a thing.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 10 Jan 2013, 03:55

andrew2209 wrote:
darkapprentice77 wrote:I forgot that Mika Salo and Norberto Fontana raced in '97.

Salo also raced in 94, which is probably pretty forgetable.

Well, a driver, at that time, linked to Ferrari would only be forgettable because one might be to young?

girry · Post by **girry** » 12 Jan 2013, 21:34

Nick Heidfeld's Jordan stint had completely, utterly escaped my mind and not reminded me even once - before I noticed a mention of him in Pizzonia's profile here.

Even now after trying to remember about it, I only found a mental photo of him in that yellow Jordan in the first corner of Imola (and even that one could well be of Timo Glock instead :f )

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 12 Jan 2013, 21:44

giraurd wrote:Nick Heidfeld's Jordan stint had completely, utterly escaped my mind and not reminded me even once - before I noticed a mention of him in Pizzonia's profile here.

Even now after trying to remember about it, I only found a mental photo of him in that yellow Jordan in the first corner of Imola (and even that one could well be of Timo Glock instead :f )

If it was Imola, it probably wasn't Glock. Remember Pantano? Well probably not :lol:

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 12 Jan 2013, 22:55

This wrote:
giraurd wrote:Nick Heidfeld's Jordan stint had completely, utterly escaped my mind and not reminded me even once - before I noticed a mention of him in Pizzonia's profile here.

Even now after trying to remember about it, I only found a mental photo of him in that yellow Jordan in the first corner of Imola (and even that one could well be of Timo Glock instead :f )

If it was Imola, it probably wasn't Glock. Remember Pantano? Well probably not

Speaking of Glock, the only time he ever did much of anything was in 2009. Sounds forgettable if you ask me.

girry · Post by **girry** » 12 Jan 2013, 22:59

and I were 100% convinced Glock's first race was at Imola not Montreal, oh well :mrgreen:

from the period of my following of f1 (not the ones I know from history books and youtube) the most forgettable would be maybe ... Friesacher. Or more probably someone else I don't remember right now.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 12 Jan 2013, 23:13

giraurd wrote:and I were 100% convinced Glock's first race was at Imola not Montreal, oh well

from the period of my following of f1 (not the ones I know from history books and youtube) the most forgettable would be maybe ... Friesacher. Or more probably someone else I don't remember right now.

Nicholas Kiesa, perhaps?

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 12 Jan 2013, 23:13

giraurd wrote:and I were 100% convinced Glock's first race was at Imola not Montreal, oh well

from the period of my following of f1 (not the ones I know from history books and youtube) the most forgettable would be maybe ... Friesacher. Or more probably someone else I don't remember right now.

Nicholas Kiesa, perhaps?

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 13 Jan 2013, 04:14

giraurd wrote:and I were 100% convinced Glock's first race was at Imola not Montreal, oh well

from the period of my following of f1 (not the ones I know from history books and youtube) the most forgettable would be maybe ... Friesacher. Or more probably someone else I don't remember right now.

Friesacher is the guy that ended up last in the famous US Grand Prix in 2005, which is quite an achievement.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 13 Jan 2013, 04:42

JeremyMcClean wrote:
This wrote:
giraurd wrote:Nick Heidfeld's Jordan stint had completely, utterly escaped my mind and not reminded me even once - before I noticed a mention of him in Pizzonia's profile here.

Even now after trying to remember about it, I only found a mental photo of him in that yellow Jordan in the first corner of Imola (and even that one could well be of Timo Glock instead :f )

If it was Imola, it probably wasn't Glock. Remember Pantano? Well probably not

Speaking of Glock, the only time he ever did much of anything was in 2009. Sounds forgettable if you ask me.

He was actually pretty decent in 2008 as well. Remember that storming drive to second place at Hungary that year?

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 13 Jan 2013, 08:40

George Follmer, didn't even know he existed until a couple of minutes ago

andrew2209 · Post by **andrew2209** » 13 Jan 2013, 12:06

While they're not forgettable at the moment, anyone who drives for Toro Rosso and doesn't end up at Red Bull probably won't be remembered by many, unless they do something spectatuclar.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 13 Jan 2013, 12:10

andrew2209 wrote:While they're not forgettable at the moment, anyone who drives for Toro Rosso and doesn't end up at Red Bull probably won't be remembered by many, unless they do something spectatuclar.

You're quite right. Liuzzi, Speed, Bourdais, Buemi and Alguersuari are all quite forgettable. The whole Toro Rosso team is quite forgettable in my opinion.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 13 Jan 2013, 17:49

pi314159 wrote:The whole Toro Rosso team is quite forgettable in my opinion.

Apart from being the guys who bought out the wonderful Minardi team. And then winning one of the few, rare wet Italian GPs in 2008, an honourary win for Minardi...

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 13 Jan 2013, 19:13

dr-baker wrote:
pi314159 wrote:The whole Toro Rosso team is quite forgettable in my opinion.

Apart from being the guys who bought out the wonderful Minardi team. And then winning one of the few, rare wet Italian GPs in 2008, an honourary win for Minardi...

Thats what I dislike Red Bull for. They already had a team. There are feeder series for developing drivers. They bought Minardi and ruined it.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 13 Jan 2013, 19:41

pi314159 wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
pi314159 wrote:The whole Toro Rosso team is quite forgettable in my opinion.

Apart from being the guys who bought out the wonderful Minardi team. And then winning one of the few, rare wet Italian GPs in 2008, an honourary win for Minardi...

Thats what I dislike Red Bull for. They already had a team. There are feeder series for developing drivers. They bought Minardi and ruined it.

The last part is very true, they basically sucked the soul out of Minardi, who overall is probably the most loved team of all time, as nobody seemed to dislike them. They're even my second favourite team of all time.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 13 Jan 2013, 20:04

dr-baker wrote:
pi314159 wrote:The whole Toro Rosso team is quite forgettable in my opinion.

Apart from being the guys who bought out the wonderful Minardi team. And then winning one of the few, rare wet Italian GPs in 2008, an honourary win for Minardi...

Honourably? Pah. Red Bull have dragged that team through the mud, that win was like putting a microgram of Daz onto a muddy shirt in an effort to clean it. :evil:

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 14 Jan 2013, 00:49

But Minardi essentially went bust at the end of 2005, Red Bull just kept their staff in a job and made use of what was now a vacant entry. Much as I'm not a fan of the STR idea and Red Bull's pursual of a junior team, to make out Minardi as the victim of a hostile takeover from the Big Bad Corporation is just inaccurate. Furthermore I'd argue that much of Minardi's supposed heritage was lost upon Stoddart's purchase of the team, just because it wasn't renamed European Aviation F1 doesn't mean it wasn't just as cynical a marketing exercise.

I know Vettel drove for STR but try not to let blind hate distort your views of the past.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 14 Jan 2013, 03:20

pi314159 wrote:
andrew2209 wrote:While they're not forgettable at the moment, anyone who drives for Toro Rosso and doesn't end up at Red Bull probably won't be remembered by many, unless they do something spectatuclar.

You're quite right. Liuzzi, Speed, Bourdais, Buemi and Alguersuari are all quite forgettable. The whole Toro Rosso team is quite forgettable in my opinion.

Speed has all but vanished into start and park land in NASCAR. That is how far he has fallen from F1.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 14 Jan 2013, 05:49

shinji wrote:But Minardi essentially went bust at the end of 2005, Red Bull just kept their staff in a job and made use of what was now a vacant entry. Much as I'm not a fan of the STR idea and Red Bull's pursual of a junior team, to make out Minardi as the victim of a hostile takeover from the Big Bad Corporation is just inaccurate. Furthermore I'd argue that much of Minardi's supposed heritage was lost upon Stoddart's purchase of the team, just because it wasn't renamed European Aviation F1 doesn't mean it wasn't just as cynical a marketing exercise.

I know Vettel drove for STR but try not to let blind hate distort your views of the past.

First, I don't dislike Vettel. I dislike how they turned Minardi into Toro Rosso. With Paul Stoddart as owner, Giancarlo Minardi was still involved in the team. Red Bull could have sponsored Minardi, and Minardi would have run Red Bull junior drivers. That's quite common today (Gutierrez, Maldonado for example). But no, they had to throw Giancarlo out of the team and replace Minardi with that "Toro Rosso" name.

andrew2209 · Post by **andrew2209** » 15 Jan 2013, 20:04

Piercarlo Ghinzani was once forgotten by Murray Walker in qualifying for the '88 French GP

JJMonty · Post by **JJMonty** » 15 Jan 2013, 20:11

pi314159 wrote:
shinji wrote:But Minardi essentially went bust at the end of 2005, Red Bull just kept their staff in a job and made use of what was now a vacant entry. Much as I'm not a fan of the STR idea and Red Bull's pursual of a junior team, to make out Minardi as the victim of a hostile takeover from the Big Bad Corporation is just inaccurate. Furthermore I'd argue that much of Minardi's supposed heritage was lost upon Stoddart's purchase of the team, just because it wasn't renamed European Aviation F1 doesn't mean it wasn't just as cynical a marketing exercise.

I know Vettel drove for STR but try not to let blind hate distort your views of the past.

First, I don't dislike Vettel. I dislike how they turned Minardi into Toro Rosso. With Paul Stoddart as owner, Giancarlo Minardi was still involved in the team. Red Bull could have sponsored Minardi, and Minardi would have run Red Bull junior drivers. That's quite common today (Gutierrez, Maldonado for example). But no, they had to throw Giancarlo out of the team and replace Minardi with that "Toro Rosso" name.

Minardi stopped being Minardi in 1994 - when first BMS took over, then Briatore, then Fondmetal. Minardi always had a share in the team, although it was a minority share compared to the other people involved.

Back on Subject, Gianni Morbidelli, I completly forgot about him until I was watching the review for F1 1991 in Australia last night! I am embarrased I managed to though as I always drove his Minardi on the F1 1991 mod for rFactor :oops:

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 17 Jan 2013, 16:31

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
pi314159 wrote:
andrew2209 wrote:While they're not forgettable at the moment, anyone who drives for Toro Rosso and doesn't end up at Red Bull probably won't be remembered by many, unless they do something spectatuclar.

You're quite right. Liuzzi, Speed, Bourdais, Buemi and Alguersuari are all quite forgettable. The whole Toro Rosso team is quite forgettable in my opinion.

Speed has all but vanished into start and park land in NASCAR. That is how far he has fallen from F1.

Bourdais is hard to forget in IndyCar/Champ Car circles for winning 4 titles in a row, for all the crap between him and Tracy, and how he nearly took a backmarker team to the podium in 2012. But his F1 tenure? Forgettable unless you're a fan of his! ...

...which would include me.

Verde · Post by **Verde** » 17 Jan 2013, 16:35

Anhtony Davidson in BAR, somebody?

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 17 Jan 2013, 16:40

Cynon wrote:Bourdais is hard to forget in IndyCar/Champ Car circles for winning 4 titles in a row, for all the crap between him and Tracy, and how he nearly took a backmarker team to the podium in 2012. But his F1 tenure? Forgettable unless you're a fan of his! ...

...which would include me.

I remember Bourdais simply for the fact that he was screwed over in Fuji for the penalty he received in the incident with Massa. One of the most bullshit penalties ever given in F1.