f1's most rejectful corners

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 28 Sep 2012, 18:00

this is a link i found on the worst corners in f1
http://richardsf1.com/2010/12/11/top-10 ... formula-1/
thing is, can you lot do better, if you want to add others which have not been featured, please do

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 28 Sep 2012, 18:14

As I said in the PMcMT, you have blatantly lifted this article from another website. Please, if you are going to share with us an article you like, just post a link, don't copy and paste it and act like you sat there and typed that lot out.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 28 Sep 2012, 19:05

I guess you could call the unnamed chicane at Catalunya the Europcar chicane, but that might cause confusion with turn 13, Europcar, just before it. Unless you just want to call the chicane "turns 14 and 15", of course.

Anyway, the first thing that occurs to me about making a list of the worst corners ever is that said corners would have to have something "special" about them; otherwise the list would just be filled with a bunch of nigh-identical tight 90-degree corners. Also, corners which had to be there for safety reasons are left out. Removing this restriction, the 1994 tyre chicane at Catalunya wins easily for me. With all that in mind, here's my list:

6. The new turn 1 at the Hockenheimring
The old version is way better. It was faster, and it wouldn't have as many weird corner-cutting on the outside problems.

5. The old turn 3 at the Hungaroring
The new version is a fun, high-speed corner. It's gone through something like Eau Rouge, Blanchimont, and many other corners have where better cars mean it's easy to take flat now, but it's a hell of a lot better than the old, boring chicane that they used to use.

4. The old Acque Minerali chicane
Just a boring little chicane when they could've done much better. Thankfully, they did for 1995.

3. The Endurance layout esses at Bahrain
It was a failed experiment. Still, they had to conduct said experiment because... er... yeah, why did they ever replace a couple perfectly good corners with those boring esses for one year?

2. Total (the first turn) at Kyalami
The new Kyalami has some serious overtaking problems, but they could've been lessened by making the first corner, this is going to sound weird, kind of like the new Tamburello. This is what I mean. Instead, they made a high-speed yet dull right-left thing that does barely anything for the track.

1. The three random chicanes at Fair Park
They could've had nice long straights, with good overtaking points as a result, but instead they decided to put pointless chicanes in the middle for some reason.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 28 Sep 2012, 22:42

How about this? Turns 1 to 21 of the Abu Dhabi Street Circuit...

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 28 Sep 2012, 22:45

Singapore Sling [/thread]

midgrid · Post by **midgrid** » 28 Sep 2012, 23:02

The temporary chicane at Zandvoort in 1979; design assistance from Jody Scheckter.

The extra hairpin turn that featured as part of the original Detroit street circuit layout, but was removed thereafter.

Not F1, but the first corner of Oschersleben. "The guy who designed that corner should be taken into a dark room and be beaten."

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 29 Sep 2012, 00:22

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:2. Total (the first turn) at Kyalami
The new Kyalami has some serious overtaking problems, but they could've been lessened by making the first corner, this is going to sound weird, kind of like the new Tamburello. This is what I mean. Instead, they made a high-speed yet dull right-left thing that does barely anything for the track.

Oi! I take great offense to that on the basis that it made the start of the F2RWRS race there very interesting :lol:

Post by **Ataxia** » 29 Sep 2012, 09:18

pasta_maldonado wrote:As I said in the PMcMT, you have blatantly lifted this article from another website. Please, if you are going to share with us an article you like, just post a link, don't copy and paste it and act like you sat there and typed that lot out.

This.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 29 Sep 2012, 10:04

pasta_maldonado wrote:As I said in the PMcMT, you have blatantly lifted this article from another website. Please, if you are going to share with us an article you like, just post a link, don't copy and paste it and act like you sat there and typed that lot out.

thanks for that i have changed it now based on what you said 8-)

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 29 Sep 2012, 22:04

midgrid wrote:Not F1, but the first corner of Oschersleben. "The guy who designed that corner should be taken into a dark room and be beaten."

I knew that was going to come up here. See also, for the other canonical non-F1 example, that hairpin on the Beijing International Street Circuit that the cars couldn't get round when A1GP visited.

Controversial Jacques is going to stick his neck on the line here and say "every corner at the current layout of Fuji", as the difference between the 1976 version with its long, flowing curves and the late-2000s hack-job where said curves have been chopped into a series of tiny straights joined by corners called merely "xR" is shockingly symptomatic of the way circuit design has gone. Next stop, Spa...

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 29 Sep 2012, 23:47

-F1 hasn't raced there but: the 4 double-chicanes from Chimay. (in fact, all of that track is featureless, even the old track from the non-championship f1 races wasn't worth mentioning)
Yet in a way, i love these corners, they always cause lots of chaos, would be perfect for any virtual championship here.
-The Rindt-chicane at Zolder: it doesn't slow cars down, it doesn't help cars overtake, it doesn't increase safety, it's not spectacular to drive or to look at, it is absolutely pointless, and removing it would absolutely make no difference.

I forti sopravivono · Post by **I forti sopravivono** » 02 Oct 2012, 19:29

When I read the topic title I immediately thought of the Panic-version of Eau Rouge '94 and the chicane of tires in Barcelona, soon to be hit by a pacific.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 02 Oct 2012, 19:52

I forti sopravivono wrote:When I read the topic title I immediately thought of the Panic-version of Eau Rouge '94 and the chicane of tires in Barcelona, soon to be hit by a pacific.

Not to mention the one on the back straight at montreal........

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 02 Oct 2012, 19:57

I forti sopravivono wrote:When I read the topic title I immediately thought of the Panic-version of Eau Rouge '94 and the chicane of tires in Barcelona, soon to be hit by a pacific.

Text book example of a knee-jerk reaction. Besides, those chicanes couldn't even stop an Andrea Moda on full wets on a bine dry track after engine failure...

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 02 Oct 2012, 21:41

The 'new' Bus Stop chicane at Spa. Not a patch on the old one IMO. Also, turns 1-26 on the Valencia street circuit.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 03 Oct 2012, 11:07

pasta_maldonado wrote:
I forti sopravivono wrote:When I read the topic title I immediately thought of the Panic-version of Eau Rouge '94 and the chicane of tires in Barcelona, soon to be hit by a pacific.

Text book example of a knee-jerk reaction. Besides, those chicanes couldn't even stop a Life on full wets on a bone dry track after engine failure...

Fixed...

I forti sopravivono · Post by **I forti sopravivono** » 03 Oct 2012, 12:17

In the first (?) A1GP seasons I slightly remember one circuit that contained a hairpin that was too narrow to take in one time (without doing it in Rally-handbrakestyle).

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 03 Oct 2012, 12:27

I forti sopravivono wrote:In the first (?) A1GP seasons I slightly remember one circuit that contained a hairpin that was too narrow to take in one time (without doing it in Rally-handbrakestyle).

That would be Beijing, just one of a long line or rejectful Chinese Street Circuits :lol:

Post by **Ataxia** » 03 Oct 2012, 13:19

The 'Singapore Sling' is a horrendous corner...hell, it's not even a corner. It's got zero overtake potential and taking a line that's even slightly wrong can spit you into the wall.

girry · Post by **girry** » 03 Oct 2012, 13:22

That's exactly why Singapore Sling is a brilliant corner - you make a mistake, you crash, as F1 should be....not too many of those corners left anymore ^^

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 03 Oct 2012, 13:24

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:The 'Singapore Sling' is a horrendous corner...hell, it's not even a corner. It's got zero overtake potential and taking a line that's even slightly wrong can spit you into the wall.

What race were you watching last weekend? :lol:

WaffleCat · Post by **WaffleCat** » 03 Oct 2012, 13:27

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:The 'Singapore Sling' is a horrendous corner...hell, it's not even a corner. It's got zero overtake potential and taking a line that's even slightly wrong can spit you into the wall.

I seriously wish the Singapore GP organizers will make that turn a fast double apex.That way there is some excitement and some chance of an overtake.

Ben Gilbert · Post by **Ben Gilbert** » 03 Oct 2012, 16:12

giraurd wrote:That's exactly why Singapore Sling is a brilliant corner - you make a mistake, you crash, as F1 should be....not too many of those corners left anymore ^^

Really? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't remember a single crash at that corner caused by a mistake.

Unless you count a driver blundering over the kerbs at a snail's pace, putting their eyeballs back in and then discovering that they've still got forty feet of run-off to cover before they're in any danger of hitting the barriers a 'crash'.

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q_HYHvG1-M - Although this was before the foot-high kerbs were installed.

I forti sopravivono · Post by **I forti sopravivono** » 03 Oct 2012, 17:21

Wizzie wrote:
I forti sopravivono wrote:In the first (?) A1GP seasons I slightly remember one circuit that contained a hairpin that was too narrow to take in one time (without doing it in Rally-handbrakestyle).

That would be Beijing, just one of a long line or rejectful Chinese Street Circuits

Yes is was :lol:

About that old tire chicane in the ostcurve of Hockenheim;
It was one of the points on the track I always gained time on opponent drivers at F1GP, I went through in around 5th gear while the others struggled around it in 2nd gear.
And there were lots of crashes in it, by drivers who tried to overtake the Chilean way.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 03 Oct 2012, 17:46

I forti sopravivono wrote:Yes is was

About that old tire chicane in the ostcurve of Hockenheim;
It was one of the points on the track I always gained time on opponent drivers at F1GP, I went through in around 5th gear while the others struggled around it in 2nd gear.
And there were lots of crashes in it, by drivers who tried to overtake the Chilean way.

I've played F1GP thanks to DOSBox, and I remember every time I went through that chicane I thought I was going to die. It was one of those things where I'd risk it in qualifying, but usually not try anything crazy during a race. It reminds me of the old Nouvelle chicane at Monaco.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 03 Oct 2012, 18:24

The pre '95 Acqua Minerale was horrendous. At least in terms of playing video games, I hated it more than any other corner...

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 03 Oct 2012, 19:58

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
I forti sopravivono wrote:Yes is was

About that old tire chicane in the ostcurve of Hockenheim;
It was one of the points on the track I always gained time on opponent drivers at F1GP, I went through in around 5th gear while the others struggled around it in 2nd gear.
And there were lots of crashes in it, by drivers who tried to overtake the Chilean way.

I've played F1GP thanks to DOSBox, and I remember every time I went through that chicane I thought I was going to die. It was one of those things where I'd risk it in qualifying, but usually not try anything crazy during a race. It reminds me of the old Nouvelle chicane at Monaco.

Speaking of which the schumacher chicane at enna pegursa is very simmilar to the old ostkurve chicane because whenever you overtake there on shift unleashed (good game) there is always a few dnfs there yet in freeplay mode you can take in flat out if you know what your doing

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 03 Oct 2012, 20:06

roblomas52 wrote:Speaking of which the schumacher chicane at enna pegursa is very simmilar to the old ostkurve chicane because whenever you overtake there on shift unleashed (good game) there is always a few dnfs there yet in freeplay mode you can take in flat out if you know what your doing

Looking at a map, the layout of Pergusa reminds me a lot of the old Hockenheimring in general.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 03 Oct 2012, 20:10

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:Speaking of which the schumacher chicane at enna pegursa is very simmilar to the old ostkurve chicane because whenever you overtake there on shift unleashed (good game) there is always a few dnfs there yet in freeplay mode you can take in flat out if you know what your doing

Looking at a map, the layout of Pergusa reminds me a lot of the old Hockenheimring in general.

Pergusa without the chicanes is simply epic!

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 03 Oct 2012, 21:04

I agree with most of the corners listed. I'm not even willing to call today's last corner in Spa the Bus Stop, that's long gone.

Some others I thought of:
- the last turn in Korea with the pit entry
- the old double Rettifilo
- turn 4-5 in Valencia
- last corner in Fuji (that's more of a game experience :lol:

)

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 03 Oct 2012, 21:35

QuickYoda41 wrote:I agree with most of the corners listed. I'm not even willing to call today's last corner in Spa the Bus Stop, that's long gone.

Some others I thought of:
- the last turn in Korea with the pit entry
- the old double Rettifilo
- turn 4-5 in Valencia
- last corner in Fuji (that's more of a game experience )

The first turn in Korea with the pit exit.

A turn I hate because of a game would be Tosa at the 1999 Imola, because the kerb on the inside is evil.*
*Its evilness from 2000 to 2002 remains untested

midgrid · Post by **midgrid** » 03 Oct 2012, 23:26

QuickYoda41 wrote:I'm not even willing to call today's last corner in Spa the Bus Stop, that's long gone.

Would Coach Terminus be an acceptable substitute?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 03 Oct 2012, 23:30

QuickYoda41 wrote:- last corner in Fuji (that's more of a game experience )

Hell, the entire last sector at Fuji's horrible to drive on in GP4. Especially with that hateful BMW Sauber F1.08 which had the turning circle of an oil tanker if you couldn't find the operating band of the car

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 03 Oct 2012, 23:42

Wizzie wrote:
QuickYoda41 wrote:- last corner in Fuji (that's more of a game experience )

Hell, the entire last sector at Fuji's horrible to drive on in GP4. Especially with that hateful BMW Sauber F1.08 which had the turning circle of an oil tanker if you couldn't find the operating band of the car

You needed some sort of challenge.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 03 Oct 2012, 23:44

redbulljack14 wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
QuickYoda41 wrote:- last corner in Fuji (that's more of a game experience )

Hell, the entire last sector at Fuji's horrible to drive on in GP4. Especially with that hateful BMW Sauber F1.08 which had the turning circle of an oil tanker if you couldn't find the operating band of the car

You needed some sort of challenge.

To this day, mad Uncle Melrose firmly believes that the F1.08 was the worst car he's ever driven, and he has driven some absolute shockers in his time :lol:

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 04 Oct 2012, 00:34

What, the 2015 Simpson car wasn't bad enough??

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 04 Oct 2012, 00:43

JeremyMcClean wrote:What, the 2015 Simpson car wasn't bad enough??

The Simpson car's a very close second but it's early days yet. Then again, Melrose has pretty much gone insane since 2012 :lol:

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 11 Dec 2012, 16:25

i belive the fial sector at catalunya is the worst sector in f1

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 11 Dec 2012, 16:41

roblomas52 wrote:i belive the fial sector at abu dhabi is the worst sector in f1

That's better.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 11 Dec 2012, 17:51

Turn 1 in Indianapolis (which in F1 was turn 13). It ate tires and multiple crashes from tire failures occurred in that high speed corner.