Your Reject of the Race - China

XurizManson · Post by **XurizManson** » 20 Apr 2009, 00:21

I´ll go with the brazilian f1 broadcasting: Piquet Jr. for ROTR.

rffp · Post by **rffp** » 20 Apr 2009, 00:52

ROTR: BMW Sauber, gave up on the 2008 title race to develop their 2009 car with KERS so they could have an exciting and fierce dispute for 14th place with Force India!

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 20 Apr 2009, 01:20

Here's another factoid to support Ferrari's ROTR bid: If they go one more race with no points, then they'll have scored fewer points than SOOPA AGURI did in 2007 at this stage of the season.

NosPhantom28 · Post by **NosPhantom28** » 20 Apr 2009, 03:57

The Reject of the Race was none other than the Mechanics of Renault, for not having that nifty trolly for the nosecones that Toyota did, when it was incredibly obvious that Nelsinho was going to need it.

captainhappy · Post by **captainhappy** » 20 Apr 2009, 06:25

Jamie and EYTL will have to dig deep to find ROTR here, no one really put their hand up. Maybe SB.

StoneColdSpider · Post by **StoneColdSpider** » 20 Apr 2009, 06:37

ImissJORDAN wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:Robert Kubica - for trying to mate his BMW with Trulli's Toyota

Imagine the offspring. Red, blue AND white??

hmmm Red, White and Blue baby car...
sounds like a USGPE Car to me

Debaser · Post by **Debaser** » 20 Apr 2009, 07:32

captainhappy wrote:Jamie and EYTL will have to dig deep to find ROTR here, no one really put their hand up. Maybe SB.

Almost half the field put their hand up! It was a race full of reject goodness.

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 20 Apr 2009, 08:14

BMW for having a poor race and deciding to get revenge on a rival car company who are part of the diffuser trio by crashing into Trulli and Glock.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 20 Apr 2009, 08:22

I don't think that was intentional.

Or very funny.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 20 Apr 2009, 08:50

ImissJORDAN wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:Robert Kubica - for trying to mate his BMW with Trulli's Toyota

Imagine the offspring. Red, blue AND white??

"And that's how we can get USF1 GP team in Formula One!" :lol:

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 20 Apr 2009, 08:51

rffp wrote:ROTR: BMW Sauber, gave up on the 2008 title race to develop their 2009 car with KERS so they could have an exciting and fierce dispute for 14th place with Force India!

+1!

Post by **Nuppiz** » 20 Apr 2009, 08:54

After som rethink, I'm posting a reject podium. I no longer deem Kubica to be the absoulte reject of this race. Still, he did brake very late in that corner. So my podium is as follows:

3. Robert Kubica - for trying to mate his BMW with Trulli's Toyota
2. Crashajima and Hamilton - even if this is called "F1 Circus", it doesn't mean you have to be in a carousel!
1. Nelson Piquet Jr. - declared a personal vendetta on nosecones

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 20 Apr 2009, 09:06

Nuppiz wrote:After som rethink, I'm posting a reject podium. I no longer deem Kubica to be the absoulte reject of this race. Still, he did brake very late in that corner. So my podium is as follows:

3. Robert Kubica - for trying to mate his BMW with Trulli's Toyota
2. Crashajima and Hamilton - even if this is called "F1 Circus", it doesn't mean you have to be in a carousel!
1. Nelson Piquet Jr. - declared a personal vendetta on nosecones

It was only until I saw the race to the end that I realized how dismal was Lewis' showing: faster than Kovalainen and Raikkonen, he kept on being passed by them after endless spins. Not good. I still believe Bourdais gets the cup, though. He was simply too slow in a car that proved to be the class of the field.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 20 Apr 2009, 09:16

I don't know ... he was doing pretty well until he spun it down at the hairpin. But then, just about everybody messed it up at some point, except maybe Vettel and Button. The ignomity of being upstaged by the rookie Buemi in both qualifying and the race is what will hrt Bourdais, if not the knowledge that he's only really there for the sake of continuity.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 20 Apr 2009, 09:25

Captain Hammer wrote:I don't know ... he was doing pretty well until he spun it down at the hairpin. But then, just about everybody messed it up at some point, except maybe Vettel and Button. The ignomity of being upstaged by the rookie Buemi in both qualifying and the race is what will hrt Bourdais, if not the knowledge that he's only really there for the sake of continuity.

Agreed. Either Buemi's on the way to prove the next Vettel - in which case Bourdais is simply outclassed - or he's being beat by a run-of-the-mill rookie by the third race...

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 20 Apr 2009, 10:06

Captain Hammer wrote:I don't know ... he was doing pretty well until he spun it down at the hairpin. But then, just about everybody messed it up at some point, except maybe Vettel and Button. The ignomity of being upstaged by the rookie Buemi in both qualifying and the race is what will hrt Bourdais, if not the knowledge that he's only really there for the sake of continuity.

Button had a straight on moment at one of the slower corners which let Webber past.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 20 Apr 2009, 10:27

Ah, that's right. It was past midnight when I saw it, so my mind isn't too clear as to the details.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 20 Apr 2009, 10:29

noisebox wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:I don't know ... he was doing pretty well until he spun it down at the hairpin. But then, just about everybody messed it up at some point, except maybe Vettel and Button. The ignomity of being upstaged by the rookie Buemi in both qualifying and the race is what will hrt Bourdais, if not the knowledge that he's only really there for the sake of continuity.

Button had a straight on moment at one of the slower corners which let Webber past.

It was at the hairpin at the end of the looooooong back straight from memory. I'm pretty sure he locked a brake and went straight on into the massive runoff area

wombat · Post by **wombat** » 20 Apr 2009, 10:37

Been mulling over this all day and I'd like to propose a somewhat controversial reject of the race - Mark Webber

Looks like he arranged for Seb 3 to run into Seb 2 - in much the same way that Seb 2 ran into Webber in Japan, but Seb 3 couldn't make it stick.

If you gonna hire a hit man you've got to be sure they can do the job

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 20 Apr 2009, 10:57

wombat wrote:Looks like he arranged for Seb 3 to run into Seb 2 - in much the same way that Seb 2 ran into Webber in Japan, but Seb 3 couldn't make it stick.

What the hell!?

runningboots · Post by **runningboots** » 20 Apr 2009, 11:18

I nominate Adrian Sutil. Threw away a points finish for VJM and a lead in the "who survives at Force India for next year" battle. After Monaco last year, is he a magnet for bad luck ?

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 20 Apr 2009, 11:34

runningboots wrote:I nominate Adrian Sutil. Threw away a points finish for VJM and a lead in the "who survives at Force India for next year" battle. After Monaco last year, is he a magnet for bad luck ?

Over-driving rubbish cars. When it rains, the differences are smaller, so he gets a chance to compensate, but does it by over-driving the thing.

rffp · Post by **rffp** » 20 Apr 2009, 12:04

There should be also a honorable mention to the Chinese GP organizers that played the English anthem instead of the Austrian one!

Chilled Phill · Post by **Chilled Phill** » 20 Apr 2009, 13:01

rffp wrote:There should be also a honorable mention to the Chinese GP organizers that played the English anthem instead of the Austrian one!

Good spot, actually. I was wondering the same thing, myself.

My RotR has to be Renault. Annoying throughout the week claiming that this diffuser was 100% illegal and yet was developing their own diffuser for China, contradiction anyone? One can argue that they were playing safe but when you claim you're 100% sure that this technology is illegal why develop it? Race day, poor strategy (with the benefit of hindsight) with Alonso cost him dearly and the less about about Flavio Briatore and Nelson Piquet Jr. the better

ZBF1 · Post by **ZBF1** » 20 Apr 2009, 13:09

has to be flav for his stupid prerace bitchin bout Brawn GP and the money

and basicly just for being flav in general

LukeB · Post by **LukeB** » 20 Apr 2009, 14:08

I'm not sure Piquets drive was that much more shambolic then many others, though at this point he qualifies as a ROTR contender under the Yuji Ide rule.

runningboots · Post by **runningboots** » 20 Apr 2009, 15:15

Chilled Phill wrote:
rffp wrote:There should be also a honorable mention to the Chinese GP organizers that played the English anthem instead of the Austrian one!

Good spot, actually. I was wondering the same thing, myself.

My RotR has to be Renault. Annoying throughout the week claiming that this diffuser was 100% illegal and yet was developing their own diffuser for China, contradiction anyone? One can argue that they were playing safe but when you claim you're 100% sure that this technology is illegal why develop it? Race day, poor strategy (with the benefit of hindsight) with Alonso cost him dearly and the less about about Flavio Briatore and Nelson Piquet Jr. the better

That's about playing the game. Not saying it is nice or morally sounds, but they would be idiots not to.

On the music front, isn't it to do with the nationality that the team assumes. For example, Benetton used to be British but then decided to be Italian (96, 97 ?). Red Bull might be classed as British. What anthem did they play for STR at Monza ?

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 20 Apr 2009, 15:21

runningboots wrote:On the music front, isn't it to do with the nationality that the team assumes. For example, Benetton used to be British but then decided to be Italian (96, 97 ?). Red Bull might be classed as British. What anthem did they play for STR at Monza ?

They played the Italian. It was just like old times - German driver, Italian team!

rffp · Post by **rffp** » 20 Apr 2009, 16:10

Dietrich Mateschitz has said "I was surprised and I wondered why they played the British anthem. It was a mistake. This should not happen again. But we will give the FIA some more opportunities to get it right in the future!"

So, I still believe something was wrong at the podium cerimony.

Sitorimon · Post by **Sitorimon** » 20 Apr 2009, 16:21

My reject nominee if Flav's dodgy ramblings don't get top spot is KERS and the fact only three drivers bothered with it out of the potential 8 cars that could have it. I think everyone was expecting major blasting down the back straight and it just didn't happen.

runningboots · Post by **runningboots** » 20 Apr 2009, 16:49

rffp wrote:Dietrich Mateschitz has said "I was surprised and I wondered why they played the British anthem. It was a mistake. This should not happen again. But we will give the FIA some more opportunities to get it right in the future!"

So, I still believe something was wrong at the podium cerimony.

No more wrong that the Monza one for STR then ?

rffp · Post by **rffp** » 20 Apr 2009, 17:20

runningboots wrote:No more wrong that the Monza one for STR then ?

Well, Mateschitz didn't complain there!

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 20 Apr 2009, 17:26

runningboots wrote:
Chilled Phill wrote:
rffp wrote:There should be also a honorable mention to the Chinese GP organizers that played the English anthem instead of the Austrian one!

Good spot, actually. I was wondering the same thing, myself.

My RotR has to be Renault. Annoying throughout the week claiming that this diffuser was 100% illegal and yet was developing their own diffuser for China, contradiction anyone? One can argue that they were playing safe but when you claim you're 100% sure that this technology is illegal why develop it? Race day, poor strategy (with the benefit of hindsight) with Alonso cost him dearly and the less about about Flavio Briatore and Nelson Piquet Jr. the better

That's about playing the game. Not saying it is nice or morally sounds, but they would be idiots not to.

On the music front, isn't it to do with the nationality that the team assumes. For example, Benetton used to be British but then decided to be Italian (96, 97 ?). Red Bull might be classed as British. What anthem did they play for STR at Monza ?

As far as I can tell, they seem to operate on the assumption of where the team is based unless they're told otherwise. Jordan's victory in 1998 got "God Save the Queen" once, for both Hill and the team. Eddie subsequently requested and got "Amhrain na bFhiann" at France & Italy in '99. Now, why the FIA just couldn't ask teams which one when they start...

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 20 Apr 2009, 17:43

Enforcer wrote:Now, why the FIA just couldn't ask teams which one when they start...

Because, if they assumed STR or Force India might win a race and ask them, everyone would simply laugh their heads off...

Seriously, it's probably a question of where the team's address is, unless specified otherwise.

rffp · Post by **rffp** » 20 Apr 2009, 17:43

Enforcer wrote:As far as I can tell, they seem to operate on the assumption of where the team is based unless they're told otherwise.

In the 2006 Hungarian GP, they played the Japanese anthem for the Honda victory, and they were based, of course, in Brackley!
If I am not wrong, Renault is based at Enstone, UK, where the Toleman team was based, and the French anthem is played when they win.
Besides, if Trulli or Glock wins, I believe they will play the Japanese anthem for Toyota and not the German one.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 20 Apr 2009, 17:44

rffp wrote:
Enforcer wrote:As far as I can tell, they seem to operate on the assumption of where the team is based unless they're told otherwise.

In the 2006 Hungarian GP, they played the Japanese anthem for the Honda victory, and they were based, of course, in Brackley!
If I am not wrong, Renault is based at Enstone, UK, where the Toleman team was based, and the French anthem is played when they win.
Besides, if Trulli or Glock wins, I believe they will play the Japanese anthem for Toyota and not the German one.

... unless specified otherwise...

Jack O Malley · Post by **Jack O Malley** » 20 Apr 2009, 18:02

My ROTR is the whole Renault Team.

Alonso, for having an absolutely dull race after qualifying 2nd.
Briatore, for speaking without brain connected.
Nelsinho, well... 'nuff said!

Ferrari... they are racing for ROTY!

LionZoo · Post by **LionZoo** » 20 Apr 2009, 18:12

To be honest, it was an understandable error. I was expecting "God Save the Queen" when the podium celebration started since I knew Red Bull to be Jaguar/Stewart and just assumed they were listed as an English team. It wasn't until I read this thread that I realized Mateschitz might want it to be an Austrian team.

So does each Grand Prix provide their band, or is there a traveling FIA band? It would be interesting if they got a band that was composed of various musically talented members of the teams.

wombat · Post by **wombat** » 20 Apr 2009, 21:49

Better than Alan Jones. When he won his first F1 race, they did not have a copy of Advance Australia Fair, so they grabbed a trumpet player from the crowd who played Happy Birthday

Ross Prawn · Post by **Ross Prawn** » 20 Apr 2009, 22:07

Not sure if its fair to give ROTR to any of the drivers. If I'd been in one of those cars I have parked it after the first corner and run home with brown trousers to cry to mummy. :cry:

All of these guys are incredibly brave to go out in these conditions and incredibly talented to have kept the cars on the track for most of the race.

Which I think leaves Flavas the strong favorite.