Your Reject of the Race - Singapore!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 25 Sep 2011, 16:08

Renault. Simply abysmal.

Dan B · Post by **Dan B** » 25 Sep 2011, 16:11

Hamilton: Terrible driving at the start and ruined Massa's race. Again. Sure he made up positions at the end but come on; that is not how you pass someone.
Renault: Where were they? Hell, I've seen more of the John Deere Lotuses today than the Renaults.
Rosberg: If anyone is to blame for that mess between Perez and Schumi it's him for starting it. Also, as a side note, what was that radio transmission with Sutil just prior to that schimozzle?
Kobayashi: Hate to say it, but he's driving like Kazuki Nakajima. Utterly nowhere and being beaten by his teammate.
Race feed directors: It's been disappointing all year but there have been numerous yellow flags popping up and we do not know why.
Toro Rosso: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Only thing that caught my attention was Alguersuari binning it at the end.

fjackdaw · Post by **fjackdaw** » 25 Sep 2011, 16:28

The TV coverage was a nearly-nomination for me too, very lax. We must have seen replays of around a fifth of the yellow flags.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 25 Sep 2011, 16:46

I thought the Singapore TV coverage was pretty bad too. However...

1) Hamilton - Can we just give him reject of the year now please? I'm actually getting bored nominating him on here, even though I can't stand his bad driving!

2) Renault - Oh dear.

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 25 Sep 2011, 17:02

1. Hamilton
2. Renault

'Nuff said.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 25 Sep 2011, 17:06

Renault - Disastrous weekend.

Post by **mario** » 25 Sep 2011, 18:26

For me, it has to be Renault - their planned upgrade caused cooling problems and had to be abandoned, their pace was abysmal and they chewed up their tyres at a vast rate of knots (we saw how Petrov was struggling for rear traction very early on in his stints despite having multiple sets of fresh tyres at his disposal, and Bruno was not that much better off either).
Being beaten by Heikki on outright pace alone by over 15 seconds - and Trulli, before having to retire on lap 47, was showing similar form - when they were capable of scoring points at the previous few races is pretty shocking (more so when you consider that they weren't that far off the pace in either Monaco or Valencia, for example).

Oh, and I'm seeing on Autosport that, to cap off a poor weekend, Renault have been handed a fine from the FIA for giving Bruno Senna misleading information when behind the safety car. Renault told Bruno that he was competing with Perez for on track position when in fact Perez was a lap ahead of Bruno; as a result, Bruno tried to pass Perez and promptly collided with him after the race was restarted, resulting in a €7,500 fine for the team. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94851

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 25 Sep 2011, 18:29

I will go with Renault here. The only time I remembered them in the whole race was when I asked here what happened with Senna...

A deserved mention to the TV coverage. Rubbish.

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 25 Sep 2011, 18:38

For me it has to be Hamilton and Schumacher. It was very clear from early in the race that DRS/KERS was making overtaking straightforward, to the point where drivers who were being passed did not bother even to attempt to defend their positions. Against that backdrop their was simply no need for either of them to be putting themselves in positions where they could have an accident. Hamilton is doubly at fault because of his track record this year and making contact with Webber at the same corner last year - when will he learn. As for Schumi - that accident was coming the moment he came off the previous corner, he simply positioned his car where an accident was the only possible outcome.

Contrast their driving with Button and Alonso - quick, smooth and consistant with clean overtakes.

sswishbone · Post by **sswishbone** » 25 Sep 2011, 18:53

Gotta go with Schumacher, that overtake was never on and to write off your car is a rookie error, not a seven time champion error

LionZoo · Post by **LionZoo** » 25 Sep 2011, 19:02

I'm going to go with the stewards. You can't freaking penalize every little half mistake to the drivers in the name of safety, and then leave a Toro Rosso in THAT position on track without a safety car. I know they were hoping Button would catch Vettel, but considering the dangerous the position of the stranded STR, it was just grossly irresponsible.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 25 Sep 2011, 19:15

mario wrote:Oh, and I'm seeing on Autosport that, to cap off a poor weekend, Renault have been handed a fine from the FIA for giving Bruno Senna misleading information when behind the safety car. Renault told Bruno that he was competing with Perez for on track position when in fact Perez was a lap ahead of Bruno; as a result, Bruno tried to pass Perez and promptly collided with him after the race was restarted, resulting in a €7,500 fine for the team. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94851

Ah! I wondered why Senna suddenly disappeared to the back of the field. One of many things the local TV coverage didn't show us. I'd still quite like to know what happened to Ricciardo at the start - presume he hit a wall?

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 25 Sep 2011, 19:21

Dj_bereta wrote:-Brazilian TV commentators for some commentaries like: "Lotus, Virgin and Hispania are not F1 Teams".

Also, Galvao thinking he is a psychiatrist by stating "Hamilton is acting crazy since parting ways with his father, he needs to be back with him to calm him down."

But, back to ROTR - the nominations are..
Kamui Kobayashi :cry:

It breaks my heart to do so but he deserves to be nominated. Was absolutely nowhere before his drive through for ignoring blue flags, which just compounded his woeful race further.
Renault Being split by a Fondmetal Team Malaysia on merit which explains the nomination in itself.
Lewis Hamilton Simply because his incident with Massa was completely avoidable.
Michael Schumacher What a stupid stupid mistake. He looks like a rookie at times.

And the winner is..dum dum dum dum dum dumdum dum dum...

Minardi Man · Post by **Minardi Man** » 25 Sep 2011, 20:01

Those kerbs, ruin what IMO is actually not a bad track.

Renault were sadly terrible as well, are they focusing on next years car now, or are they really putting that little effort into improving their current car?

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 25 Sep 2011, 20:18

BBC Commentary - They're as jingoistic towards Hamilton as ITV was. Despicable. I don't know how all of the regular BBC viewers here can put up with DC's crap.
Lotus-Renault - They got beat by Fondmetal Team Malaysia on merit.
Lewis Hamilton - Someone needs to flat-out wreck him HARD in hopes that it will knock some sense into him. You know why you get so many penalties? Because you drive an F1 car like it's a NASCAR video game.

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 25 Sep 2011, 20:19

Barbazza wrote:I'd still quite like to know what happened to Ricciardo at the start - presume he hit a wall?

Apparently he hit Glock - which damaged Glock's car and caused his spin a few laps later.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 25 Sep 2011, 20:36

Cynon wrote:Lewis Hamilton - Someone needs to flat-out wreck him HARD in hopes that it will knock some sense into him. You know why you get so many penalties? Because you drive an F1 car like it's a NASCAR video game.

<Warning! Geeky gaming joke coming up!! > Specifically, he seems to be driving a car like its Formula One 98 on the PSOne.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 25 Sep 2011, 20:48

Barbazza wrote:
Cynon wrote:Lewis Hamilton - Someone needs to flat-out wreck him HARD in hopes that it will knock some sense into him. You know why you get so many penalties? Because you drive an F1 car like it's a NASCAR video game.

<Warning! Geeky gaming joke coming up!! > Specifically, he seems to be driving a car like its Formula One 98 on the PSOne.

In that game, could you cut corners, divebomb hairpins, ram the computers off the road without taking any damage? :] Because in one of my NASCAR games, I always do that in turn 1 of Watkins Glen (a hard braking zone with a 90 degree right turn) and cause a 15 car pileup from dead last on the grid.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 25 Sep 2011, 20:58

kostas22 wrote:And the winner is..dum dum dum dum dum dumdum dum dum...

Say hello to my new avatar.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 25 Sep 2011, 21:09

Alguersuari - I want him to do well so Ricciardo gets out of HRT as soon as possible!
Race feed director - I spent the first four laps saying "What happened to Ricciardo? No, you idiot, I don't care about Webber's shoddy start! I've seen it before!"
Hamilton - :lol:

Just fire him already!
Barrichello - Did I see him get passed by Maldonado?

But the winners are easily Renault - although I reckon Senna did well to beat Petrov.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 25 Sep 2011, 21:13

Nick Heidfeld is slightly amused by Renault.

Priceless · Post by **Priceless** » 25 Sep 2011, 23:07

Here's my three nominations...
3rd: Lewis Hamilton - being over-aggressive again, compromised Felipe Massa's race and his own with that way of driving, and took a penalty for that. He'd be higher up(?) on this list, but I'm giving him 3rd only because he did well to recover in the later stages of the race.
2nd: Michael Schumacher - for the crash onto the back of Pérez's car; Schumi was clearly faster but (to me at least) miscalculated the passing move. He'd get past anyway...
1st: Renault GP - there's no way not to give them 1st place. A lacklustre performance. Petrov finished behind Kovalainen and Senna apparently had some difficulty to clear d'Ambrosio, taking like 3 or 4 laps to pass him. Simply rejectful.

whatisdeletrazdoing · Post by **whatisdeletrazdoing** » 26 Sep 2011, 00:39

2. The race directors

1. Renault for their pathetic display. In terms of excitement, it was very a Heidfeldian performance. ZZZzzzzzzzzzz

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 26 Sep 2011, 00:51

the Masked Lapwing wrote:Barrichello - Did I see him get passed by Maldonado?

Well, it was likely that it was going to happen. In the end his tires were completely gone, having done one stop less, so anyone could have taken him at that point.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 26 Sep 2011, 03:41

Klon wrote:
the Masked Lapwing wrote:Barrichello - Did I see him get passed by Maldonado?

Well, it was likely that it was going to happen. In the end his tires were completely gone, having done one stop less, so anyone could have taken him at that point.

Incidentally Barrichello's tyres cried no more just as Button was coming up to lap the Williamses.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 26 Sep 2011, 09:24

Cynon wrote:In that game, could you cut corners, divebomb hairpins, ram the computers off the road without taking any damage? :] Because in one of my NASCAR games, I always do that in turn 1 of Watkins Glen (a hard braking zone with a 90 degree right turn) and cause a 15 car pileup from dead last on the grid.

I can see now where Liuzzi got the idea of his Monza first corner move... :lol:

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 26 Sep 2011, 12:56

Don't know whether to say Renault as a whole or just Petrov.

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 26 Sep 2011, 14:32

I must also add a honourable mention for Kobayashi - who gets an ignoring blue flag drive through in this day and age?

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 26 Sep 2011, 16:10

whatisdeletrazdoing wrote:2. The race directors

1. Renault for their pathetic display. In terms of excitement, it was very a Heidfeldian performance. ZZZzzzzzzzzzz

It would be zz if it was Heidfeldian

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 26 Sep 2011, 16:47

-Renault: what the heck was that?! They seemed like getting back into their stride again, but this weekend they were even behind the Lotuses and d'Ambrosio's Virgin. I'm sure Tony Fernandes relished this race.
-Jaime Alguersuari: completely off all weekend, he had his ass kicked by Buemi and couldn't even get past Trulli for a while. To add insult (both to himself and others) to injury, he blocks Alonso making him lose a place with Webber and has his "I can't be bothered anymore" moment binning it 5 laps from home.
-Kamui Kobayashi: he really dislikes Marina Bay. He crashes in qualifying and has a poor race (including a drive through penalty for ignoring blue flags) when Pérez manages to score a point.
-Lewis Hamilton: jeez, he really needs to calm down right now. This year is being far too erratic and his clash with Massa costed him dearly (who knows if he could've won the race?).

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 26 Sep 2011, 18:13

How about Massa for completely spitting out the dummy at the end of the race? Hamilton was castigated for that in Monaco and you all jumped on him......(yes I know this incident was due to Hamilton's misjudgement and can sort of understand Massa's frustration but he could easily have taken the moral high ground but instead he ends up looking a total idiot himself).

Reminds me of how Trulli behaved with Sutil in Brazil 2009 - incidentally Hamilton seems to be going through a period now similar to Sutil in 2009, they just seem to the drawn into collisions!

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 26 Sep 2011, 18:59

Despite the lacklustresness of the likes of Kobayashi and the Renaults, my vote goes to...
*drumroll*
HAMILTON

We are talking about a former World Champion for cryin out loud. Stupid Stupid mistakes like that do not belong into a champions repertoire. Either grow up or get out Lewis, you're a disgrace.
Sure, the drive afterwards was solid but that mistake was just amateurish.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 26 Sep 2011, 19:39

ROTR : Hamilton Bashers

You know exactly who you are, and for a mere racing incident where an opponent driver's tyre got shaved.

"You have no talent whatsoever, but your drive through the field was commendable, one of the drives of the decade" WHAT!?!?!?!?!?

I may be showing a slight smidge of Hamilton Fanboy in this nomination, but seriously, if that was anyone else doing the tyre shaving nobody would have said a thing...

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 26 Sep 2011, 20:15

ADx_Wales wrote:I may be showing a slight smidge of Hamilton Fanboy in this nomination, but seriously, if that was anyone else doing the tyre shaving nobody would have said a thing...

But it wasn't someone else, it was Hamilton. Again.

Obviously the no-talent part is rubbish - I think he is the most talented driver of the whole field, but he can't build up on this lately at all because of his impatience and obviously now his growing and growing frustration.

Anyway, I wouldn't give the ROTR for him this time around, it has to go to Schumacher, who just can't avoid hitting Saubers in Singapore, or Renault, who can't get enough from Lotus - after the name, they also want their performance. :lol:

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 26 Sep 2011, 21:51

ADx_Wales wrote:ROTR : Hamilton Bashers

You know exactly who you are, and for a mere racing incident where an opponent driver's tyre got shaved.

"You have no talent whatsoever, but your drive through the field was commendable, one of the drives of the decade" WHAT!?!?!?!?!?

I may be showing a slight smidge of Hamilton Fanboy in this nomination, but seriously, if that was anyone else doing the tyre shaving nobody would have said a thing...

But we're not just assessing Hamilton based on his collision with Massa in the race. Maybe that was just entirely down to track position and brake lock-ups, but there was no excusing the completely pointless near-collision on a qualifying outlap. It's just the latest in a string of incidents that shows Lewis Hamilton has no realy respect for other drivers.

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 26 Sep 2011, 22:21

ADx_Wales wrote:I may be showing a slight smidge of Hamilton Fanboy in this nomination, but seriously, if that was anyone else doing the tyre shaving nobody would have said a thing...

Nonsense.

If Schumacher did it, there'd be a chorus of how the old man was past it. Same with Rubens and probably Trulli. If Vettel had done it, we'd hear about how "terrible" he is in traffic. Alonso? Massa? They'd be accused of losing the plot. Maldonado, D'Ambrosio, Senna, possibly even Petrov or Alguesuari? People would complain that they haven't got enough talent/experience to be in F1 using this an example. Sure a gripe would be applied to most of the rest of the field too.

Webber, Rosberg, Kobayashi and Button might have gotten away without much comment. But that's it.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 26 Sep 2011, 23:10

Enforcer wrote:
Nonsense.

If Schumacher did it, there'd be a chorus of how the old man was past it. Same with Rubens and probably Trulli. If Vettel had done it, we'd hear about how "terrible" he is in traffic. Alonso? Massa? They'd be accused of losing the plot. Maldonado, D'Ambrosio, Senna, possibly even Petrov or Alguesuari? People would complain that they haven't got enough talent/experience to be in F1 using this an example. Sure a gripe would be applied to most of the rest of the field too.

Webber, Rosberg, Kobayashi and Button might have gotten away without much comment. But that's it.

If it was Webber we'ld go on about how he's simply gone beyond caring :lol:

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 27 Sep 2011, 03:58

Oh Hamilton has talent alright. He can be quick. But for cryin out loud, such amateurish mistakes has no place in F1, especially not from a former world champ. Enforcer hit the nail on the head.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 27 Sep 2011, 11:41

Wizzie wrote:
Enforcer wrote:
Nonsense.

If Schumacher did it, there'd be a chorus of how the old man was past it. Same with Rubens and probably Trulli. If Vettel had done it, we'd hear about how "terrible" he is in traffic. Alonso? Massa? They'd be accused of losing the plot. Maldonado, D'Ambrosio, Senna, possibly even Petrov or Alguesuari? People would complain that they haven't got enough talent/experience to be in F1 using this an example. Sure a gripe would be applied to most of the rest of the field too.

Webber, Rosberg, Kobayashi and Button might have gotten away without much comment. But that's it.

If it was Webber we'ld go on about how he's simply gone beyond caring

Or how much inferior a driver he's against Vettel, because he can't get past a much slower car properly...

IdeFan · Post by **IdeFan** » 27 Sep 2011, 14:33

In terms of RoTR I am willing to forgive Lewis Hamilton on this one. His move was amateurish and clumsy (he had plenty of room) but I am not sure it was worth a penalty and he followed it up with a good recovery drive.

My nomination therefore goes to Group-Lotus-Bahar-Toleman-Bennetton-Lada-Renault. How the mighty have fallen, from podiums and top four contender to battling with Team Lotus and Virgin. It looks like the team badly needs Robert Kubica to come backand give them some focus, but with performances like this, why would Kubica want to come back?

Special mention to Kobayashi who had a terrible weekend and needs to find some more speed in both quali and the race to stop his current backwards trend (four pointless races in a row now, whilst generally being outdriven by Perez). Lets hope his home race in Japan helps him regain his spark.