F1 1967 - Hill strikes again at Monaco

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 25 Mar 2017, 01:05

thor97 wrote:Jim Clark
Graham Hill
Phil Hill
Jackie Stewart 450k

I take it this means that you do not wish to pay Graham Hill, Phil Hill or Jim Clark for their services?

And how many of them would you like to sign? Currently you only have four chassis and half of them are last year's

Bandon23 · Post by **Bandon23** » 25 Mar 2017, 01:15

Anglo-American Racers

Driver 2:
Mike Spence 80k
Richard Atwood 80k
Peter Revson 80k
Trevor Taylor 80k

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 25 Mar 2017, 02:27

Honda:

Only driver, in level of priority:
Jim Clark 300k
Graham Hill 200k
John Surtees 100k

We will build a T4 chassis.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 25 Mar 2017, 03:22

Matra offers
30K for Jo Siffert
10K for Guy Ligier
10K for Mauro Bianchi

(though it would be great if i could make offers for Beltoise, Ickx and L Bianchi as well)

We offer the part-time car (Monaco, france, belgium) to the same drivers, but only for the normal wage divided through the amount of races * 3

thor97 · Post by **thor97** » 25 Mar 2017, 03:46

Aislabie wrote:
thor97 wrote:Jim Clark
Graham Hill
Phil Hill
Jackie Stewart 450k

I take it this means that you do not wish to pay Graham Hill, Phil Hill or Jim Clark for their services?

And how many of them would you like to sign? Currently you only have four chassis and half of them are last year's

I have fixed it
Are we gonna be allowed to sign drivers in season so we can have three car teams

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 25 Mar 2017, 03:49

CarloSpace wrote:
FantometteBR wrote:Brabham will going to design and build a Tier 4 chassis and sell one to anyone who wants it

Any chance of selling two of them to Rob Walker?

I'm interested in buying one anyway, what's the price of the chassis?

Minimum price is 75,000

simonracer · Post by **simonracer** » 25 Mar 2017, 07:45

FantometteBR wrote:Minimum price is 75,000

Would it be OK if I obtained one for that price? Alternately, if you're willing to sell one of the BT20s I would be OK with getting one of those for up to that price, I don't really want to be spending any more considering I only have 100,000 to begin with.

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 25 Mar 2017, 09:14

BRM bids:
Driver 1:
1. Jochen Rindt 150000
2. Innes Ireland 150000
3. Denny Hulme 150000

Driver 2:
1. Peter Arundell 100000
2. Chris Amon 100000
3. Mike Parkes. 90000

Driver 3 (European races only, in the P261)
1. Harry Stiller 5000
2. Picko Per Troberg 2500
(If we do not get either of these two we will not run a third car)

novitopoli · Post by **novitopoli** » 25 Mar 2017, 09:19

Driver 1:
McLaren, of course.

Driver 2 (part time schedule with last year's chassis)
Trevor Taylor (10000)
Chris Irwin (8000)
Harry Stiller (7000)

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 26 Mar 2017, 03:18

simonracer wrote:
FantometteBR wrote:Minimum price is 75,000

Would it be OK if I obtained one for that price? Alternately, if you're willing to sell one of the BT20s I would be OK with getting one of those for up to that price, I don't really want to be spending any more considering I only have 100,000 to begin with.

Okay, deal don for me

simonracer · Post by **simonracer** » 26 Mar 2017, 07:54

FantometteBR wrote:Okay, deal don for me

Is that for the BT20 or the BT24? I would prefer if I could get the BT24, the reason I asked about the BT20 was in case you weren't willing to sell the BT24 to me for 75 grand. I hope I didn't confuse you there.

CarloSpace · Post by **CarloSpace** » 26 Mar 2017, 10:51

FantometteBR wrote:
CarloSpace wrote:
FantometteBR wrote:Brabham will going to design and build a Tier 4 chassis and sell one to anyone who wants it

Any chance of selling two of them to Rob Walker?

I'm interested in buying one anyway, what's the price of the chassis?

Minimum price is 75,000

ANy chance to get two of them for 175,000?

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 26 Mar 2017, 10:59

CarloSpace wrote:
FantometteBR wrote:
FantometteBR wrote:Brabham will going to design and build a Tier 4 chassis and sell one to anyone who wants it

Any chance of selling two of them to Rob Walker?

I'm interested in buying one anyway, what's the price of the chassis?

Minimum price is 75,000

ANy chance to get two of them for 175,000?[/quote]

Cooper will sell you two chassis for 150,000

I would like to design and build two new tier 3 chassis.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 26 Mar 2017, 22:12

If Cooper can pay that value, deal is done

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 27 Mar 2017, 14:09

It appears that a deal has been reached between Brabham and Rob Walker to build and sell two BT24 chassis for £175,000, so I have changed the index to reflect this.

Also, I will carry out the first driver RNG at 00:00 on Wednesday (BST), so if y'all have any more bids to get in, now is the time.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 27 Mar 2017, 18:53

FantometteBR wrote:If Cooper can pay that value, deal is done

Just to be clear I am referring to two 1966 chassis.

Although I am open to negotiations to sell you one of the new 1967 chassis,

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 27 Mar 2017, 19:08

Apologies for the double post.

Cooper driver bids

Jochen Rindt £51,000
Pedro Rodriguez £49,000
Denny Hulme £47,000
Mauro Bianchi £12,000

CarloSpace · Post by **CarloSpace** » 28 Mar 2017, 07:31

We are running two cars.

Driver bids:
Denny Hulme 80k
Mike Parkes 60k
Jo Siffert 50k
Chris Amon 50k
Richie Ginther 45k
Trevor Taylor 40k

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 28 Mar 2017, 23:41

DRIVER RNG
We currently lack driver bids from Brabham, Ferrari and Reg Parnell, who have now all missed the deadline for this round of RNGs. That won't stop them getting drivers, it just means they'll be a little bit late to the party. So let's get going.

Bob Anderson
1-100 - Already confirmed with DW. No cost.
62 - Anderson will drive for his own team.

Jack Brabham
1-100 - Already confirmed with Brabham. No cost.
10 - Brabham will drive for his own team.

Dan Gurney
1-100 - Already confirmed with Eagle. No cost.
30 - Gurney will drive for his own team.

Bruce McLaren
1-100 - Already confirmed with McLaren. No cost.
42 - McLaren will drive for his own team.

That's the really easy ones out of the way. Now for the ones with but one offer...

Phil Hill
1-90 - The American signs up with Lotus for a huge £200,000 salary.
91-100 - The contract offer gets lost in the post and he doesn't get to sign it.
11 - Like any rational person, he jumps at the chance.

Jackie Stewart
1-95 - The young Briton jumps at the chance to be paid an eye-watering £350,000 to drive a Championship contender.
96-100 - Decides to wait and see if Brabham or Ferrari make a better offer, unlikely as it seems.
42 - Lotus replace one super-fast Scot with another.

Mike Spence
1-90 - Takes up the offer of a drive with Anglo-American Racers for the welcome sum of £80,000.
91-100 - Doesn't like the idea of a team based so far from home.
43 - Signs on the dotted line of freedom.

Jim Clark
1-85 - Controversially spurned by Lotus, Clark cannot wait to try to beat them.
86-100 - Chooses to hope for an offer from Ferrari or Brabham.
75 - After long consideration, Clark signs up to drive for the Japanese manufacturer.

Now for our first real contest, a man who will prove very influential in the driver market.

Jochen Rindt
1-65 - He is flattered by the salary offered by BRM, as well as the car they have built.
66-90 - Cooper may pay less, but they have won Championships in the past.
91-100 - Tempted by the allure of Ferrari and Brabham.
1 - Signs immediately for BRM.

Pedro Rodriguez
1-75 - He is delighted to take up the chance to drive for Cooper.
76-100 - He is apprehensive about the demands of a full Formula One season.
30 - It is only a shame his younger brother isn't around to partner him.

Denny Hulme
1-55 - He is pleased to join Rob Walker Racing for a tidy little sum.
56-80 - Wishes to join Rodriguez at the prestigious Cooper team.
81-100 - Prefers to devote most of his time to endurance races and the Tasman Series.
25 - Hulme becomes the first driver to sign for Rob Walker.

Peter Arundell
1-80 - Accepts a generous offer to become Jochen Rindt's team-mate.
81-100 - Decides to retire after a disastrous 1966 with Lotus.
92 - After careful consideration, Arundell says goodbye to the Formula 1 circus.

Chris Amon
1-75 - Takes on the well-paid second seat at BRM.
76-90 - Decides to wait on the possibility of a Rob Walker seat.
91-100 - Perhaps Brabham or Ferrari want to offer something...?
73 - There was some major panicking at BRM, but Amon finally decided not to wait for Rob Walker.

Mike Parkes
1-60 - Takes up Rob Walker's offer of a drive.
61-90 - Doesn't feel that he could ever leave Ferrari.
91-100 - Opts to go out on a high after a brace of second places last year.
49 - Parkes will join Denny Hulme in driving for Rob Walker.

Jo Siffert
1-80 - After years of funding his own Grand Prix exploits, Siffert moves to a more conventional team.
81-100 - He doesn't want to be tied down to one team.
23 - As you might expect, Siffert takes the £30,000 on offer.

Guy Ligier
1-60 - Takes the opportunity to drive for Matra in his home Grands Prix.
61-100 - Baulks at the meagre salary on offer.
54 - He tries to haggle upwards, but the price is the price.

Mauro Bianchi
1-70 - Bianchi takes the rather meagre salary on offer from Cooper.
71-100 - He decides to stay in Formula Two, where apparently a Macau Grand Prix winner makes more money.
5 - The Belgian grabs the chance of a full-time F1 drive.

Trevor Taylor
1-60 - Decides to take on the part-time schedule with McLaren whilst still participating in other categories.
61-100 - Taylor prefers to race at the front end of F5000.
24 - We will be seeing him occasionally in a year-old McLaren,

Harry Stiller
1-65 - Accepts BRM's offer. After all, it's F1 racing.
66-100 - Tells the press that British National Champions deserve better pay than a mere £5,000.
65 - After trying his damnedest and twice dialling a journalist but not getting through, he signs up for the European races.

Of course, Brabham, Ferrari and Parnell have yet to pick their drivers. There are still several good ones available out there, including World Champions such as Graham Hill and John Surtees.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 29 Mar 2017, 03:05

Brabham's picks

Graham Hill - 200k
Innes Ireland - 100k
Richard Atwood - 100k
Peter Revson - 75k
Jo Bonnier - 140k

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 29 Mar 2017, 08:29

It's not entirely clear if we have a driver or not, because said driver signed for a different amount of money in your rng that we offered...

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 29 Mar 2017, 09:35

This wrote:It's not entirely clear if we have a driver or not, because said driver signed for a different amount of money in your rng that we offered...

I made a typo, but you got Siffert.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 29 Mar 2017, 11:56

Aislabie wrote:
This wrote:It's not entirely clear if we have a driver or not, because said driver signed for a different amount of money in your rng that we offered...

I made a typo, but you got Siffert.

Alright, then i'll offer Guy Ligier the second car in France, Monaco and Belgium for 2000 per race.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 29 Mar 2017, 17:51

This wrote:
Aislabie wrote:
This wrote:It's not entirely clear if we have a driver or not, because said driver signed for a different amount of money in your rng that we offered...

I made a typo, but you got Siffert.

Alright, then i'll offer Guy Ligier the second car in France, Monaco and Belgium for 2000 per race.

He already accepted it for the rather meagre sum of £2,500 for the lot, but he's independently wealthy so realistically would have taken the drives for free

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 29 Mar 2017, 18:59

Graham hill 100,000
John Surtees 150,000
Innes Ireland £90,000
Lorenzo Bandini £90,000

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 29 Mar 2017, 20:12

andrew wrote:Graham hill 100,000
John Surtees 150,000
Innes Ireland £90,000
Lorenzo Bandini £90,000

Given that you already have Rodriguez and Bianchi, how many more drivers would you like?

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 30 Mar 2017, 06:02

Aislabie wrote:
andrew wrote:Graham hill 100,000
John Surtees 150,000
Innes Ireland £90,000
Lorenzo Bandini £90,000

Given that you already have Rodriguez and Bianchi, how many more drivers would you like?

I want 4 in total for my 4 chassis I plan to use.

RedEyes504 · Post by **RedEyes504** » 30 Mar 2017, 20:06

Ferrari

Driver #1
Lorenzo Bandini £100,000

Driver #2
Ludovico Scarfiotti £75,000

Driver #3 (1966 Car)
Jo Bonnier £50,000

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 31 Mar 2017, 11:48

SECOND DRIVER RNG

With some more bids having come in from Brabham, Cooper and Ferrari, it's time to do another Driver RNG.

Graham Hill
1-30 - Takes the third drive with Cooper
31-90 - Accepts the offer to join the Brabham team.
91-100 - Retires from driving with a view to setting up his own team later.
85 - After some very careful consideration over his future, Hill takes up the drive.

John Surtees
1-90 - Accepts the Cooper drive.
91-100 - Decides to return to motorcycle racing, where he is already a seven-time World Champion.
42 - Cooper welcome the 1964 World Champion to their team.

Innes Ireland
1-40 - Joins three other top drivers at Cooper.
41-90 - Completes the Brabham driver line-up.
91-100 - Retires from motorsport after five years of uncompetitive cars.
16 - Ireland is pleased to finally get back into a factory team, even one which has recently been on the decline.

Richard Attwood
1-80 - Jumps at the chance to drive a top Formula One car with Brabham,
81-100 - Opts to continue to focus on the World Sportscar Championship with Ferrari.
83 - Attwood stuns the entire paddock by turning down Brabham's offer.

Peter Revson
1-90 - Hurriedly cancels his schedule of American races to drive for Brabham.
91-100 - Isn't able to duck out of said races, and is unable to take the drive.
25 - The American is delighted to complete the Brabham team.

Lorenzo Bandini
1-95 - What Italian in their right mind would turn down the chance to lead Ferrari?
96-100 - This one, apparently.
41 - To the surprise of nobody, Bandini signs for Ferrari.

Ludovico Scarfiotti
1-95 - Scarfiotti's win at Monza last year persuaded Ferrari to keep him on more permanently.
96-100 - Ferrari choose to keep him as the leader of their sportscar team.
74 - Another Ferrari seat is filled by another Italian.

Jo Bonnier
1-90 - Accepts the offer to be Ferrari's third driver.
91-100 - Feels mildly offended that he doesn't warrant a drive in the 1967 car.
50 - Bonnier accepts the offer of a Ferrari drive.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 01 Apr 2017, 18:52

Yes we got Surtees RESULT!!. He will as you can imagine be driving the new 1967 car.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 02 Apr 2017, 09:25

Fandomette and I have made a chassis deal, I have sold him two of my 1966 chassis for 150,000, this was confirmed over PM's.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 02 Apr 2017, 15:38

andrew wrote:Fandomette and I have made a chassis deal, I have sold him two of my 1966 chassis for 150,000, this was confirmed over PM's.

So that's two T81 chassis bought by Brabham for 150,000? Odd, but I'll roll with it

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 02 Apr 2017, 15:52

Aislabie wrote:
andrew wrote:Fandomette and I have made a chassis deal, I have sold him two of my 1966 chassis for 150,000, this was confirmed over PM's.

So that's two T81 chassis bough by Brabham for 150,000? Odd, but I'll roll with it

Does sound odd. You may wish to check with him that this is the case. But I think I was clear earlier in this thread when I said I was selling chassis.

andrew wrote:
Cooper will sell you two chassis for 150,000

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 04 Apr 2017, 01:55

andrew wrote:
Aislabie wrote:
andrew wrote:Fandomette and I have made a chassis deal, I have sold him two of my 1966 chassis for 150,000, this was confirmed over PM's.

So that's two T81 chassis bough by Brabham for 150,000? Odd, but I'll roll with it

Does sound odd. You may wish to check with him that this is the case. But I think I was clear earlier in this thread when I said I was selling chassis.
andrew wrote:
Cooper will sell you two chassis for 150,000

Oh, I se.. okay, me sorry...

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 06 Apr 2017, 00:05

THE ENGINE MARKET

There are many engines available, and there will be the opportunity to develop your engine as well if you think it's a bit rubbish. The only figure I'm going to be giving out about each engine is its brake-horsepower. Be warned though that the most powerful engine may not be the best out there, because engine weight and reliability also play a role, but they are hidden figures.

Post-1966 Formula Engines
As well as having a greatly increased capacity compared to their predecessors, these engines are open to development (which I will explain later).

BRM P75
Power: 420 bhp
Configuration: H16
Preferences: Will give priority to Owen Racing Organisation.
Availability: 4 cars
Cost: £18,000 per car per race, or £180,000 for the whole season

Ferrari Tipo 242
Power: 390 bhp
Configuration: V12
Preferences: Will only provide engines to Scuderia Ferrari.
Availability: 4 cars
Cost: £25,000 per car per race, or £250,000 for the whole season

Ford Cosworth DFV
Power: 410 bhp
Configuration: V8
Preferences: Has a close relationship with Team Lotus.
Availability: 4 cars
Cost: £20,000 per car per race, or £200,000 for the whole season

Honda RA273E
Power: 400 bhp
Configuration: V12
Preferences: Will only provide engines to Honda Racing.
Availability: 2 cars
Cost: £20,000 per car per race, or £200,000 for the whole season

Maserati 10/F1
Power: 350 bhp
Configuration: V12
Preferences: Favours Cooper, as their existing customer.
Availability: 4 cars
Cost: £17,500 per car per race, or £175,000 for the whole season

Repco 620
Power: 400 bhp
Configuration: V8
Preferences: Strongly prefers Brabham, would consider any team with Antipodean drivers.
Availability: 3 cars
Cost: £25,000 per car per race, or £250,000 for the whole season

Serenissima M166
Power: 260 bhp
Configuration: V8
Preferences: Will work with anyone at all.
Availability: 2 cars
Cost: £10,000 per car per race, or £100,000 for the whole season

Weslake T58
Power: 390 bhp
Configuration: V12
Preferences: Would prefer to work with his friend Dan Gurney.
Availability: 2 cars
Cost: £15,000 per car per race, or £150,000 for the whole season

Pre-1966 Formula 1 and Formula 2 Engines
In addition to their diminished engine capacity, these engines also cannot be developed. However, they are cheap, making them the ideal choice for privateer drivers.

BMW M10
Power: 250 bhp
Configuration: L4
Preferences: May develop a discounted V8 engine next year if a prospective partner can be found for 1967.
Availability: 4 cars
Cost: £10,000 per car per race, or £100,000 for the whole season

BRM P60
Power: 210 bhp
Configuration: V8
Notes: Rental costs will go towards BRM, unless it is BRM themselves using the engine.
Availability: Unlimited
Cost: £6,000 per car per race

Coventry Climax FPF
Power: 230 bhp
Configuration: L4
Availability: Unlimited
Cost: £4,000 per car per race

Coventry Climax FWMV
Power: 240 bhp
Configuration: V8
Availability: Unlimited
Cost: £6,000 per car per race

Ford Cosworth FVA
Power: 230 bhp
Configuration: L4
Availability: Unlimited
Cost: £5,000 per car per race

- - -

Please feel free to post more than one engine preference, as it seems unlikely that everyone can get what they want first time.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 06 Apr 2017, 02:01

Brabham has Repco as its first and so far only priority as an engine

simonracer · Post by **simonracer** » 06 Apr 2017, 02:25

Well DW Racing will just go for the Coventry Climax FMWV. I'm glad we didn't end up with a new chassis since we'd have probably ended up running out of money after about 5 races.

thor97 · Post by **thor97** » 06 Apr 2017, 03:20

If im allowed to go into debt Ford Cosworth DFV for an entire season please

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 06 Apr 2017, 07:27

BRM can't actually afford any engines without going into massive debt, which may be a slight problem...

If we can go into debt, BRM will bid for a H16 for Rindt (I guess we have to...), a Weslake V12 for Amon (for reliability's sake, otherwise we'll just get another H16 if we fail) and request we can get a P60 for free, as we probably have one lying around in our workshop anyway for Stiller to use.

This will put us £145000 in debt, which we assume is possible to get back over the season. EDIT: Come to think of it, if we could sell the P83s and the spare P261 to collectors, (or even scrap them) we might make that money back...

Bandon23 · Post by **Bandon23** » 06 Apr 2017, 09:18

Anglo-American Races will bid for Weslake T58 for the whole season, which costs £150,000 and may put us in total of £70,000. It would be probably good enough for us to avoid the debt.