Alt-1957: Post-season auction!

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What track should be tenth in the 1958 season?

Poll ended at 07 Oct 2017, 21:52

Ain-Diab
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Sebring
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pi314159 wrote:EDIT: Following a deal with Klon, the two chassis owned by Ecclestone will be transferred to OSCA. Hill will receive chassis 3, Vittorio Marzotto will use chassis 2. Umberto Marzotto is still looking for any modern (1956 or newer) chassis for the Italian GP.


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As Musso is otherwise employed ART will seek Maria Teresa de Filippis to drive the car provided her current team give permission if not ART will stick Porfirio Rubirosa in the car
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Hampshire Racing Alliance confirms the loan of O.S.C.A F156A chassis 16 to the works O.S.C.A team for the Italian Grand Prix

Motorsport Magazine, September 1957 wrote:Hampshire Hangs Up The Helmet

One of Formula One's more endearing and plucky competitors announced today that he will climb out of the cockpit for the final time after the Spanish Grand Prix next month. David Hampshire has had a presence on the grid since the first season of the championship in 1950, firstly with the controversial EXTRAS team. After EXTRAS folded Hampshire set up his own outfit, Hampshire Racing Alliance and has tasted occasional success over the years, scoring a total of 12 points between 1953 and 1955. His greatest moment came in early 1955, where he took advantage of a chaotic and brutal race at Reims to score a 2nd place finish at the French Grand Prix.

Hampshire Racing Alliance have also been known for a number of other quirks, which include racing Alta chassis long after the rest of the British diaspora had ceased using them. Since then, Hampshire has fielded Aston Martin, Bentley and Vanwall chassis whilst, unusually for a British privateer, signing a number of deals with the Italian O.S.C.A company for engines and spare parts. For the past few seasons, HRA have entered a second car for fellow British driver Roy Salvadori.

However, Hampshire was badly affected by the events of the past season, which saw four fellow drivers die in grisly fashion. It is also believed that there was an altercation before the start of the season between him and Salvadori, which is why the team have only fielded one car this year. It has been increasingly clear that Hampshire has fallen out of love with racing himself, with no less than three no-shows at European events this season.

Hampshire said "I have had a number of enjoyable years racing at the highest level in the world, but it is increasingly clear from the likes of Mike Hawthorn, Peter Collins and Jack Brabham that this is a young man's game. I turn 40 at the end of the year, and I wish to get involved in this revolution by giving more young men their chance to race in Formula One. It is a hard decision to stop, but I feel this is the right time. I will compete at Pedralbes next month, and that will be it. I will still be attending Formula One races, but I will be in the paddock or in the pit lane managing my team".

It is believed that Hampshire will be running young British driver Henry Taylor in 1958, with the possibility of a second car being entered as well. While Formula One will lose one of its respected old hands, the team he has built from scratch look to have a rosy future ahead.
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Luigi Piotti
1-85: signs with Arzani-Volpini for his home race.
86-100: prefers to stick to sportscars.
49 - Piotti takes up the same job as 1956 for Arzani-Volpini.

Cesare Perdisa
1-20: comes out of retirement for one last shot at his home race.
21-100: maintains his self-imposed retirement after the death of Castellotti.
88 - Perdisa turns down the offer from ART.

Les Leston
1-75: takes the ART offer for a comeback.
76-100: turns down the offer and focuses on other commitments.
84 - Leston is also unimpressed by the superteam attempt and turns down the chance.

Georges Burggraf
1-95: takes the offer to make his first championship start in his usual F1 team.
96-100: thinks he's not ready for a Grand Prix drive.
75 - Burggraf does join the team, unlike his other potential teammates.

Willy Lehmann
1-80: takes Kubinsky's offer for a first F1 drive outside Eastern Europe
81-100: Lehmann is worried about possible retaliation from the GDR government and turns down the opportunity.
22 - Lehmann agrees to the deal without hesitation.
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Scuderia Guastalla will enter Italy with Giorgio Becucci.

Any offers for a loaned car?
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Dexter249 wrote:Scuderia Guastalla will enter Italy with Giorgio Becucci.

Any offers for a loaned car?

The entry list closed six days ago, I'm afraid.
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In the news

August 31st - Federation of Malaya gains independence under PM Tunku Abdul Rahman and Sultan Abdul Rahman

September 2nd - Dulles warns Syria could turn communist if nothing is done before 60 days

September 2nd - Ngo Dinh Diem begins presidential visit to Australia

September 3rd - Wolfenden Report published regarding homosexuality in the United Kingdom

September 4th - Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus calls National Guard to prevent black students from entering high school

September 4th - Ford launches Edsel automobile to widespread criticism

September 5th - Charles Lyttelton appointed Governor General of New Zealand

September 5th - Jack Kerouac publishes new novel On the Road

September 9th - Civil Right Act enacted in the USA

September 13th - Thai Army calls for resignation of Phibunsongkhram's government

September 15th - Konrad Adenauer leads Christian alliance to absolute majority in Bundestag elections

September 16th - Sarit Thanarat leads coup in Thailand, Pote Sarasin appointed PM, Rama IX declares martial law

September 17th - Malaya joins the United Nations

September 19th - Sammarinese Parliament barricaded by Communist coalition sparking constitutional crisis

September 20th - North Korean Head of State Kim Tu-bong deposed in favour of Choe Yong-gon

September 20th - Finnish composer Jean Sibelius dies aged 91

September 20th - New Zealand PM Sidney Holland hands over to deputy Keith Holyoake over medical issues

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Currently winning elsewhere
BARC Members National @ Goodwood - Innes Ireland (S1.5) - Chris Bristow (S1.25) - Dick Fitzwilliam (Handicap) - Keith Greene (Handicap) - Ellis Cuff-Miller (Handicap) - I. McCulloch (Marque)

CSCC Pacific Coast Championship @ Arcata - Elof Carlson (CP) - Deno Vichas (DP/DM) - Pete Lovely (EM) - James Orr (EP) - Sam Weiss (FM) - Skip Hudson (FP) - Ralph Ormsbee (GM) - Prudence Crosby (GP) - Harry Byerly (HM) - Jack Dalton (MG) - Stan Peterson (Sedan)

CSCC Pacific Coast Championship @ Santa Barbara - Chuck Daigh (BM) - Don Hulette (CM) - Jerry Austin (CP) - Richie Ginther (DM) - Jack Bates (DP) - John Haggerty (EM) - Bill Love (EP) - Ken Miles (FM) - Elliot Forbes-Robinson (FP) - Jack Nethercutt (GM) - Bill Wheeler (GP) - Rico Verrecchia (HM) - Robert Brigham (MG) - Ruth Levy (Ladies) - Harry Morrow (F3)

SCCA Nationals @ Thompson - Leonard Butscher (BP) - Walt Hansgen (CM) - Harry Carter (CP/EP) - Paul O'Shea (DM) - Warren Cox (DP) - Gaston Andrey (EM) - Bob Holbert (FM) - Freddy Barrette (FP) - Frank Baptista (GM) - Tony Briggs (GP) - Candy Poole (HM) - John Meyer (UR) - Paul Richards (F3) - Alexis DuPont (F3)

MRC Autumn Meeting National @ Snetterton - George Wicken (Formula 2) - Tommy Bridger (Formula 3) - Tom Kyffin (S+2.7) - Ivor Bueb (S2.7/S1.1) - George Wicken (Formula Libre)

Shelsley Walsh Hill Climb - Phil Scragg

National Charterhall - Frank Elliot (S2.7) - F.V. Lambert (S+2.0) - Tom Dickson (S2.0/S1.2) - John Higham (S1.5) - Colin Murray (R+500) - Eric Liddell (Formula 3)

Thompson 1-hour Races - Leonard Butscher (BP) - Gordon MacKenzie (CM) - George Constantine (CP) - Bob Bucher (DM) - Mike Rothschild (DP) - Ed Welch (EP) - Paul Sagan (FM) - Freddie Barrette (FP) - Charles Cunningham (GM) - Vin Sardi (GP) - Candy Poole (HM) - Bill Rutan (UR)

Southern 500 @ Darlington (NASCAR Grand National) - Speedy Thompson

Ted Horn Memorial @ DuQuoin (USAC) - Jud Larson

NASCAR Grand National @ Syracuse - Gwyn Staley

Sunbac National @ Silverstone - David Shale (S+1.5) - M.G. Dickens (S1.5) - Eric Broadley (1172F) - Roy Lee (750F) - John Wagstaff (Handicap) - John Venn (Popular Sports)

Brighton Speed Trials (British Formula 3) - Malcolm Brackenbury

SCCA Nationals @ Road America - John Cook/Ralph Durbin (BM) - Dick Thompson (BP) - Phil Hill (CM) - Dave Causey (CP) - Paul O'Shea/Dick Thompson (DM) - Trant Jarman (DP) - Ed Lunken/Jim Kimberly (EM) - Bob Kuhn (EP) - Ed Crawford (FM) - Don Wester (FP) - M.R.J. Wyllie/Margaret Wyllie (GM) - Ed Hugus (GP) - Bruce Townsend (HM)

500km of Interlagos - Celso Lara Barberis/Ruggero Peruzzo

Syracuse 100 (USAC) - Elmer George

ADAC-Hansa-Pokal-Rennen Nürburgring - Peter Nöcker (GT+1.6) - Sepp Greger (GT1.6) - Eberhard Mahle (GT1.3)

Coppa Inter-Europa @ Monza - Camillo Luglio (GT+2.6) - Enrico Anselmi (GT2.6) - Carlo Leto di Priolo (GT1.3) - Nino Merlo (GT1.1) - Mario Poltroniero (GT750)

NASCAR Grand National @ Weaverville - Lee Petty

Prescott Hill Climb - Phil Scragg (Overall) - Pauline Brock (Formula 3)

Danish Formula 3 @ Roskilde - Poul Rasmussen

NASCAR Grand National @ Sacramento - Danny Graves

Grand Prix de Cadours - André Loëns

Daily Express Trophy Meeting @ Silverstone - Jean Behra (International Trophy) - Stuart Lewis-Evans (Formula 3) - Roy Salvadori (S+2.7) - Brian Naylor (S2.7) - Ron Flockhart (S1.5) - Keith Hall (S1.1)

Hoosier Hundred @ Indianapolis (USAC) - Jud Larson

Circuito di Sassari - Luigi Bellucci

NASCAR Grand National @ San José - Marvin Porter

Torreón sportscar race - Ricardo Rodríguez

NASCAR Grand National @ Langhorne - Gwyn Staley

East German Formula 3 @ Bernau - Lex Beels

NASCAR Grand National @ Columbia - Buck Baker
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September 20th 1957, Italian Grand Prix prequalifying

Brabham's retirement in Germany allowed Stirling Moss to pull away again in the championship race. The Briton is now 14 points ahead of the Australian with a maximum of 27 points still to take. Reliability has been on the side of O.S.C.A. this season, but the car is not bulletproof. Brabham has won every race he's finished however, so everything is still to play for. Peter Collins, Umberto Maglioli and José Froilán González are also still in mathematical contention, 19, 22 and 27 points behind respectively.

52 entries were sent in, with 50 of them materialising.

1. Peter Collins (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 1
2. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
3. Mike Hawthorn (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 3, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 3
4. Jack Fairman (Owen Racing Organisation) - OSCA F156A chassis 13, BRM P26 engine 3
5. Alan Stacey (Owen Racing Organisation) - OSCA F156A chassis 10, BRM P26 engine 4
6. Archie Scott Brown (Norfolk Engineering) - Vanwall VW56 chassis 6, Vanwall VE2 engine 4
7. Berardo Taraschi (Automobiles Deutsch & Bonnet) - DB 01 chassis 1, DB 84-1 engine 1
8. Gilberte Thirion (Escuderia Hernandez) - Hernandez Tipo 56 chassis 1, Hernandez H/258A engine 1
9. Heinz Melkus (MSG Köthen) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 9, O.S.C.A. 1500S-56 engine 8
10. Duncan Hamilton (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW57 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
11. Lucien Bianchi (Scuderia Adriatica) - Lancia D50 chassis 4, Lancia DS50 engine 3
12. Luigi Piotti (Scuderia Arzani-Volpini) - Cooper T41 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 13
14. Yevgeny Veretov (Volga Testa Russo) - Volga NK1 chassis 1, Volga GZ1 engine 2
15. Zahar Shteyngrud (Volga Testa Russo) - Volga NK1 chassis 3, Volga GZ1 engine 4
16. B. Bira (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 10 chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 1
17. Maurice Trintignant (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 10 chassis 7, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 2
18. Troy Ruttman (Rob Walker Racing) - B.C.M.A. C-01 chassis 4, B.C.M.A. A/AS Griffin engine 1
19. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 1, Gordini G258/A engine 3
20. Jo Bonnier (Gordini) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 2, Gordini G258/A engine 5
21. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Gordini) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 4, Gordini G258/A engine 1
22. André Simon (Gordini) - Gordini Type 56 Chassis 3, Gordini G258/A engine 2
23. Harry Schell (Alexander Racing Team) - Alfa Romeo AR161 chassis 1, Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 1
24. Redmond Gallagher (Alexander Racing Team) - Alfa Romeo AR161 chassis 2, Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 2
25. Maria Teresa de Filippis (Alexander Racing Team) - Alfa Romeo AR161 chassis 7, Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 5
26. Georges Burgraff (Alexander Racing Team) - Bentley 53C chassis 1, Bentley 16VL-1 engine 11
27. Oliver Gendebien (Alexander Racing Team) - Guidobaldi FG01 chassis 5, Loonmotor SAMC-1A engine 3
28. Jim Russell (Connaught Engineering) - Connaught Type B chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 9
29. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Connaught Engineering) - Connaught Type B chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 10
30. Hans Herrmann (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 12
31. Masten Gregory (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 12, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 3
32. Luigi Musso (Scuderia Ugolini) - B.C.M.A. C-01 chassis 3, B.C.M.A. A/AS Griffin engine 9
33. Rob Slotemaker (Jonkheer Gijsbert van Loon) - Guidobaldi FG01 chassis 1, Loonmotor SAMC-1A engine 1
34. Hans Davids (Jonkheer Gijsbert van Loon) - Guidobaldi FG01 chassis 2, Mercedes-Benz UM153 engine 10
35. Stirling Moss (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 14
36. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 5
37. José Froilán González (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 7, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 6
38. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 8, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 7
39. Willy Lehmann (Julius Kubinsky) - JK Mono IV chassis 1, Wartburg 310 engine 1
40. Onofre Marimón (Asso di Fiori) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 14, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 8
41. Umberto Maglioli (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 801 chassis 3, Ferrari DS50 engine 2
42. Tony Gaze (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 801 chassis 2, Ferrari DS50 engine 3
43. Giulio Cabianca (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 801 chassis 1, Ferrari DS50 engine 1
44. Consalvo Sanesi (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari R560 chassis 4, Ferrari RS560 engine 4
45. Maria Anna Peduzzi (Maria Anna Peduzzi) - Ferrari R560 chassis 5, Ferrari RS560 engine 9
46. Gerino Gerini (Officine Alfieri Maserati) - Lotus 10 chassis 5, Maserati 56A engine 2
47. Giannino Marzotto (Scuderia Marzotto) Ferrari R560 chassis 1, Ferrari RS560 engine 7
48. Paolo Marzotto (Scuderia Marzotto) Ferrari R560 chassis 4, Ferrari RS560 engine 2
49. Vittorio Marzotto (Scuderia Marzotto) O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1500S-56 engine 4
50. Umberto Marzotto (Scuderia Marzotto) O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 16, O.S.C.A. 1500S-56 engine 5
51. Graham Hill (O.S.C.A.) O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 3, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 12

-The German Grand Prix proved costly for Norfolk Engineering. A heavy accident from Russell and an engine failure for Scott Brown meant the team now only have one functioning car, which Archie Scott Brown is driving. Jim Russell was therefore allowed to drive the remaining races for Connaught, replacing Bruce Halford.
-Lucien Bianchi may have Belgian nationality, but he was born in Milan. This explains his appearance for Adriatica instead of Giorgio Scarlatti.
-Like in 1956, Luigi Piotti makes a one-off appearance driving a Cooper-O.S.C.A. for Arzani-Volpini.
-After the Nürburgring once again highlighted the Volga's total lack of pace and their funds began to run low, the Soviet squad decided to only enter Veretov and Shteyngrud.
-Following the announcement of the manufacturer's withdrawal from Formula One at the end of the year, Gordini will be fielding a mammoth nine cars, with a further two planned but abandoned after Les Leston and Cesare Perdisa turned down the opportunity. Aside from the usual trio, André Simon is returning to the team on loan from Écurie Voeckler. Under the ART banner, the team's reserve machinery is seeing use for the first time in a long while. Harry Schell, Redmond Gallagher and guest driver Maria Teresa de Filippis will be driving 1955 Alfa Romeos, junior driver Georges Burggraf drives a Bentley Formula 3 car and Olivier Gendebien is driving a Guidobaldi-Loonmotor combination.
-Scuderia Ugolini, facing the prospect of entering a foreign driver in Italy, decided to bring back Luigi Musso instead of Jean Behra.
-Graham Hill has finally recovered from his Monaco injury, and with O.S.C.A. unwilling to let Fangio go for the team's home race, he will be driving a fifth entry.
-In the absence of an Eastern European round, Julius Kubinsky has entered the Italian Grand Prix due to the popularity of the Communist Party. East German F3 ace Willy Lehmann is to drive the JK Mono-Wartburg.
-As it is the man's home race, and likely his last, Consalvo Sanesi will be stepping back into the Ferrari instead of Wolfgang von Trips. The roster for Spain has not yet been confirmed.
-Italian female rally and road racer Maria Anna Peduzzi is making her first appearance in F1 machinery, driving a 1956 Ferrari.
-Despite a lack of paddock presence for the previous two years, not only did Giannino Marzotto return for his home race, he brought his three brothers with him. Paolo already has F1 experience, having entered the race in 1954, and Vittorio competed in a non-championship race in 1952. Umberto, however, is making his F1 début.
-Écurie Maghreb, suffering from a severe lack of funds, decided not to appear in this race. Their presence in Spain is also in question as they try to avoid bankruptcy.
-As usual, some privateers can't afford the trip to the South of the continent. In this case, the unlucky couple are de Beaufort and his Ecurie Maarsbergen, as well as Helm Glöckler's Equipe Anglaise.

With 34 grid spots for the race, 16 drivers will face the prequalifying session.

Berardo Taraschi
Luigi Piotti
Yevgneny Veretov
Zahar Shteyngrud
Harry Schell
Georges Burggraf
Olivier Gendebien
Luigi Musso
Rob Slotemaker
Hans Davids
Willy Lehmann
Anna Maria Peduzzi
Giannino Marzotto
Paolo Marzotto
Vittorio Marzotto
Umberto Marzotto
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Prequalifying performance figure time.

V. Marzotto - 116
G. Marzotto - 111
Gendebien - 111
Musso - 109
Shteyngrud - 108
U. Marzotto - 107
Taraschi - 106
Slotemaker - 106
Piotti - 105
Burggraf - 105
P. Marzotto - 104
Veretev - 104
Lehmann - 104
Peduzzi - 103
Davids - 99
Schell - 94
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Prequalifying results
1. Harry Schell (Alfa Romeo) - 2:57.75
2. Vittorio Marzotto (O.S.C.A.) - 3:01.92
3. Giannino Marzotto (Ferrari) - 3:02.63
4. Umberto Marzotto (O.S.C.A.) - 3:04.23
5. Luigi Musso (B.C.M.A.) - 3:05.66
6. Paolo Marzotto (Ferrari) - 3:06.47
7. Georges Burggraf (Bentley) - 3:08.00
8. Luigi Piotti (Cooper-O.S.C.A.) - 3:09.40
9. Willy Lehmann (JK Mono-Wartburg) - 3:10.99
10. Anna Maria Peduzzi (Ferrari) - 3:12.19
11. Olivier Gendebien (Guidobaldi-Loonmotor) - 3:16.10
12. Rob Slotemaker (Guidobaldi-Loonmotor) - 3:19.28
13. Hans Davids (Guidobaldi-Mercedes) - 3:19.51
14. Yevgeny Veretov (Volga) - 3:22.53
15. Berardo Taraschi (DB) - 3:24.39
16. Zahar Shteyngrud (Volga) - 3:25.82


Little surprise at the front, with Schell easily topping the session and all four Marzotto brothers easily prequalifying. Georges Burggraf, thanks to the power of Alexander Racing Team preparation, takes a four-year-old Bentley to the main qualifying session, while Willy Lehmann lost out to Luigi Piotti in the Cooper-O.S.C.A.. The Guidobaldis and Volgas bring up the rear as usual, even the Guidobaldi entered by ART.
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Qualifying performance.

G. Marzotto - 120
Lewis-Evans - 118
Moss - 117
Gerini - 116
Hamilton - 116
de Filippis - 116
Stacey - 115
Cabianca - 115
Fangio - 115
González - 115
Marimón - 114
P. Marzotto - 113
Bira - 113
Hawthorn - 113
Fairman - 113
Gregory - 113
Bonnier - 113
Ramos - 113
Burggraf - 112
Volonterio - 112
Russell - 112
Simon - 112
G. Hill - 112
Thirion - 112
Ruttman - 112
Musso - 111
Brabham - 111
Gallagher - 110
Sanesi - 110
Piotti - 109
Herrmann - 109
Schell - 109
Collins - 108
Maglioli - 108
Scott Brown - 107
Melkus - 107
Manzon - 107
V. Marzotto - 107
Bianchi - 105
Trintignant - 103
U. Marzotto - 103
Gaze - 101
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Qualifying results
1. Stirling Moss (O.S.C.A.) - 2:41.49
2. Mike Hawthorn (B.C.M.A.) - 2:42.08
3. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - 2:42.14
4. Peter Collins (B.C.M.A.) - 2:45.46
5. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Gordini) - 2:46.08
6. André Simon (Gordini) - 2:46.99
7. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) - 2:47.19
8. José Froilán González (O.S.C.A.) - 2:48.42
9. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - 2:48.52
10. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) - 2:48.65
11. Masten Gregory (O.S.C.A.) - 2:48.97
12. Umberto Maglioli (Ferrari) - 2:49.23
13. Alan Stacey (O.S.C.A.-BRM) - 2:49.40
14. Jo Bonnier (Gordini) - 2:50.11
15. Onofre Marimón (O.S.C.A.) - 2:51.09
16. Graham Hill (O.S.C.A.) - 2:51.97
17. Giulio Cabianca (Ferrari) - 2:52.10
18. Troy Ruttman (B.C.M.A.) - 2:52.36
19. Harry Schell (Alfa Romeo) - 2:52.55
20. B. Bira (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 2:53.88
21. Tony Gaze (Ferrari) - 2:54.21
22. Gilberte Thirion (Hernandez) - 2:54.57
23. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Connaught-O.S.C.A.) - 2:54.60
24. Heinz Melkus (O.S.C.A.) - 2:54.63
25. Consalvo Sanesi (Ferrari) - 2:54.66
26. Maria Teresa de Filippis (Alfa Romeo) - 2:54.76
27. Duncan Hamilton (Vanwall) - 2:54.83
28. Jack Fairman (O.S.C.A.-BRM) - 2:55.28
29. Maurice Trintignant (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 2:55.77
30. Hans Herrmann (O.S.C.A.) - 2:55.93
31. Archie Scott Brown (Vanwall) - 2:56.45
32. Jim Russell (Connaught-O.S.C.A.) - 2:59.15
33. Gerino Gerini (Lotus-Maserati) - 3:01.10
34. Paolo Marzotto (Ferrari) - 3:03.54
35. Giannino Marzotto (Ferrari) - 3:04.58
36. Vittorio Marzotto (O.S.C.A.) - 3:04.84
37. Luigi Piotti (Cooper-O.S.C.A.) - 3:05.49
38. Georges Burggraf (Bentley) - 3:06.05
39. Luigi Musso (B.C.M.A.) - 3:06.63
40. Lucien Bianchi (Lancia) - 3:06.79
41. Umberto Marzotto (O.S.C.A.) - 3:12.03
42. Redmond Gallagher (Alfa Romeo) - no time


B.C.M.A. have finally lost their grip on the pole position monopoly. After eight consecutive poles, the British constructor sets a 2-3-4 behind the championship leader Stirling Moss. Gordini sets a 5-6-9, with the other cars in the top ten being O.S.C.A. manufacturer entries. Masten Gregory and Alan Stacey impress once more, while Graham Hill makes the top 20 on his comeback. Only one of the Marzotto brothers makes the start, with Paolo two whole seconds behind Gerino Gerini's Lotus-Maserati. Piotti's under-prepared Cooper and Burggraf's Bentley F3 logically fail to qualify, while Bianchi had a bad session in his Lancia. Redmond Gallagher failed to set a time, his Alfa Romeo suffering from gearbox issues that prevented him from leaving the pitlane.
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Race performance figures:

Gerini 40
Gaze 23
Bira 18
Thirion 17
Hawthorn 17
Collins 16
Volonterio 13
Bonnier 12
Maglioli 9
Moss 5
Marimón 5
Trintignant 3
Fangio 2
Manzon 1
Stacey 1
de Filippis 1
Schell -1
Melkus -2
Cabianca -4
González -4
Ramos -6
Hill -6
Ruttman -8
Brabham -9
Hamilton -10
Scott Brown -10
P. Marzotto -11
Lewis-Evans -11
Herrmann -15
Simon -16
Sanesi -16
Gregory -18
Fairman -19
Russell -24

The heat of Italy combined with the long straights and high speeds have made for a tough race on engines. There will be 7 engine failures and two accidents, a C2 and a C4. Only a total maximum of 9 cars will finish the race.
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September 22nd 1957, Italian Grand Prix

Moss and Hawthorn got the lead from the start of the race, while Peter Collins' engine autodetonated just after the first go around the oval. Hawthorn led the first lap from Moss, Brabham, Ramos and a fast-starting Alan Stacey. Troy Ruttman's customer B.C.M.A. engine also failed on the second lap. Moss remained aggressive, and on the third lap, he slipstreamed past Hawthorn to take the race lead for O.S.C.A.. Jim Russell, after a miserable race start, pulled into the pits on the fourth lap, missing second and fourth gears.

On the fifth lap, Hawthorn outbraked Moss at the Parabolica to take the race lead, only for his engine to start smoking on the very next lap, ending his race like Collins'. Moss inherited the lead again, with Brabham second and Fangio third. Paolo Marzotto and Archie Scott Brown then pulled into the pits from the last two positions, the former with an oil leak, the latter with brake issues. Later that same lap, it was Jack Brabham who crucially retired, with a burnt clutch. All three B.C.M.A. drivers had retired within the first ten laps, and all Moss had to do was win the race to seal the championship.

Jo Bonnier made a desperate attempt to pass B. Bira that same lap, but succeeded only in colliding with the grandstand wall when he touched Bira. He was followed on the sidelines by Manzon (transmission), Schell (fuel pump) and Herrmann (gearbox). The chronically unlucky Heinz Melkus also retired, puncturing his left rear tyre at the far end of the circuit. The following lap was punctuated by Stirling Moss' engine also falling victim to the veritable hecatomb. So much for sealing the title...

The unlikely Juan Manuel Fangio was left to take the race lead, defending from teammate José Froilán González. André Simon initially took third place, but soon lost it to Umberto Maglioli. Fangio lost the lead on the seventeenth lap, letting González through without offering much resistance. Behind them, Ramos retired from the race, depositing oil at the exit of Curva Grande. Volonterio saw the oil and slowed down, but still lost control and reversed into a tree. He walked away from his car, which had rebounded onto the circuit. On the next lap, Thirion, who was fighting for what was now fifth place, entered the corner blind, and when Alan Stacey dodged the O.S.C.A., Thirion had little time to react. She avoided Volonterio's car, but spun on the oil and skidded into the trees. The Hernandez was heavily damaged, but Gilberte walked out of the car and hobbled towards the ambulance.

When the situation ended and the cars were cleared, it transpired that Fangio had taken the lead again just past the halfway mark. González remained in second place ahead of Maglioli, Simon and the surprising Graham Hill and B. Bira. Bira, not taking kindly to Bonnier's earlier attempt at lèse-majesté, was a man on a mission, soon passing Simon, Hill and Maglioli to take third place by lap 20. Simon was soon coast to a halt with a cut throttle cable, joined by Gerino Gerini's Lotus-Maserati with steering issues. Gerini had been running in a creditable 13th place.

Fangio's grip on the lead slipped when his car began to slow down. González took the lead again on lap 23. Cabianca and Trintignant both retired with synchronised gearbox failures before Fangio's suspension gremlins became terminal. Bira inherited second place from Maglioli, Hill, Marimón and Gaze. A few laps later, Gregory retired from an anonymous eleventh place with yet another engine failure.

With González pulling away into the lead, Hill, Marimón and Gaze began to fight closely over fourth place. Alan Stacey would have been involved, but he suffered an electrical failure less than 10 laps from the end. Umberto Maglioli remained close behind Bira and passed him on lap 29, but unfortunately for him, his clutch failed just one lap later. While the fight grew tighter and the trio began catching Bira, González was setting fastest laps, but a handful of laps from the end, he started to slow down, saving fuel. These efforts came too late, and the ever-unlucky Argentine ultimately gave up the ghost with two laps remaining.

This left the good Prince Bira in the lead for the first time in a long while, but he now faced close competition from fellow customer entrant Onofre Marimón, Ferrari driver Tony Gaze in the twilight of his career and young rookie Graham Hill desperate to impress at his team's home race. All four drivers had their own reasons to give their all for the race victory. They traded the lead throughout the oval portion, with Marimón leading by a hair entering the road course section, ahead of Gaze, Hill and Bira. Suffering from tyre wear, Hill lost touch very slightly, leaving Gaze, Bira and Marimón to compete in the final drag race out of the Parabolica. In Formula One's closest finish yet, Marimón took a shock victory, just ahead of Bira and Gaze. Hill was fourth, just behind, while Maria Teresa de Filippis took fifth place in the old Alfa Romeo just ahead of Duncan Hamilton's Vanwall and Consalvo Sanesi's Ferrari. Fairman and Lewis-Evans were the last finishers, while the crestfallen González was classified in tenth.

Marimón's victory was the first for a truly independent customer team since Troy Ruttman's win at the 1952 Dutch Grand Prix.

1. Onofre Marimón (O.S.C.A.) 1:43:06.23
2. B. Bira (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +0.03
3. Tony Gaze (Ferrari) +0.07
4. Graham Hill (O.S.C.A.) +0.42
5. Maria Teresa de Filippis (Alfa Romeo) +1 lap
6. Duncan Hamilton (Vanwall) +1 lap
7. Consalvo Sanesi (Ferrari) +1 lap
8. Jack Fairman (O.S.C.A.-BRM) +1 lap
9. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Connaught-O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
10. José Froilán González (O.S.C.A.) +1 lap/Out of fuel
Ret. Umberto Maglioli (Ferrari) +6 laps/Clutch
Ret. Alan Stacey (O.S.C.A.-BRM) +9 laps/Electrics
Ret. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) +11 laps/Suspension
Ret. Masten Gregory (O.S.C.A.) +11 laps/Engine
Ret. Giulio Cabianca (Ferrari) +12 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Maurice Trintignant (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +12 laps/Gearbox
Ret. André Simon (Gordini) +13 laps/Throttle
Ret. Gerino Gerini (Lotus-Maserati) +14 laps/Steering
Ret. Gilberte Thirion (Hernandez) +18 laps/Accident
Ret. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Gordini) +19 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) +19 laps/Accident
Ret. Stirling Moss (O.S.C.A.) +22 laps/Engine
Ret. Heinz Melkus (O.S.C.A.) +23 laps/Puncture
Ret. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +24 laps/Transmission
Ret. Harry Schell (Alfa Romeo) +24 laps/Fuel pump
Ret. Hans Herrmann (O.S.C.A.) +24 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) +26 laps/Clutch
Ret. Jo Bonnier (Gordini) +26 laps/Collision
Ret. Paolo Marzotto (Ferrari) +26 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Archie Scott Brown (Vanwall) +26 laps/Brakes
Ret. Mike Hawthorn (B.C.M.A.) +30 laps/Engine
Ret. Jim Russell (Connaught-O.S.C.A.) +32 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Troy Ruttman (B.C.M.A.) +34 laps/Engine
Ret. Peter Collins (B.C.M.A.) +35 laps/Engine

Fastest lap: José Froilán González (O.S.C.A.) - 2:45:84

Championship standings
Drivers

1. Stirling Moss - 41
2. Jack Brabham - 27
3. Peter Collins - 22
4. Umberto Maglioli - 19
5. Onofre Marimón - 14 (1 win)
6. José Froilán González - 14 (1 2nd)
7. André Simon - 12
8. Robert Manzon - 11 (1 win)
9. Mike Hawthorn - 11 (2 3rds)
10. Ottorino Volonterio - 10
11. Jo Bonnier - 9
12. B. Bira - 7 (1 2nd)
13. Duncan Hamilton - 7 (1 4th)
14. Tony Gaze - 4
15. Giulio Cabianca - 3 (1 4th, 2 7ths)
16. Graham Hill - 3 (1 4th, 2 Rets)
17. Juan Manuel Fangio - 3 (1 5th)
18. Masten Gregory - 2 (1 5th, 1 8th)
19. Maria Teresa de Filippis - 2 (1 5th, 2 11ths)
20. Troy Ruttman - 2 (1 5th, 1 11th)
21. Alan Stacey - 1 (1 6th, 1 7th)
22. Joe Flynn - 1 (1 6th, 1 Ret)

Constructors
1. O.S.C.A. - 58
2. B.C.M.A. - 50
3. Gordini - 30
4. Ferrari - 26
5. Lotus-O.S.C.A. - 9
6. Vanwall - 7
7. Alfa Romeo - 2
8. O.S.C.A.-BRM - 1 (1 6th, 1 7th)
9. IRC-O.S.C.A. - 1 (1 6th, 1 Ret)

Entrants
1. British Commonwealth Motorsport Association - 50
2. Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili - 48
3. Scuderia Ferrari - 26
4. Alexander Racing Team-Gordini - 22
5. Asso di Fiori - 14
6. Écurie Voeckler - 12
7. Rob Walker Racing - 9
8. Vandervell Products Ltd. - 7
9. Scuderia Centro Sud - 2
10. Owen Racing Organisation - 1 (1 6th, 1 7th)
11. Irish Racing Cars - 1 (1 6th, 1 Ret)

Post-race report to follow.
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Forza Marimón, Forza O.S.C.A., Forza Asso di Fiori

What a brilliant race.
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Post-race report
Disqualification
Hans Herrmann, after his retirement, was disqualified when illegal engine modifications were found after the race.
(In actual fact, 1557 engine 12 was entered for both Hill and Herrmann. As the engine belongs to O.S.C.A., Herrmann got the wrong end of the stick in this case.)

Injuries
Gilberte Thirion was injured in her accident, hitting her head on the Hernandez's steering wheel and her arm colliding with the tree her car hit. She is being treated for a concussion and broken right arm, and will miss the last few races of the season.

Damages
Gregory's engine (1557 engine 3) - £6 185
Thirion's chassis (Tipo 56 chassis 1) - £18 565
Volonterio's chassis (F156A chassis 8) - £9 247
Moss' engine (1557 engine 14) - £17 678
Bonnier's chassis (Type 56 chassis 2) - £12 292
Hawthorn's engine (A/AS Wyvern engine 3) - £16 942
Ruttman's engine (A/AS Griffin engine 1) - £10 230
Collins' engine (A/AS Wyvern engine 1) - £20 424

Prize money (distance)
Onofre Marimón - £2 000
B. Bira - £2 000
Tony Gaze - £2 000
Graham Hill - £2 000
Maria Teresa de Filippis - £1 971
Duncan Hamilton - £1 971
Consalvo Sanesi - £1 971
Jack Fairman - £1 971
Stuart Lewis-Evans - £1 971
José Froilán González - £1 971
Umberto Maglioli - £1 829
Alan Stacey - £1 743
Juan Manuel Fangio - £1 686
Masten Gregory - £1 686
Giulio Cabianca - £1 657
Maurice Trintignant - £1 657
André Simon - £1 629
Gerino Gerini - £1 600
Gilberte Thirion - £1 476
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £1 457
Ottorino Volonterio - £1 457
Stirling Moss - £1 371
Heinz Melkus - £1 343
Robert Manzon - £1 314
Harry Schell - £1 314
Hans Herrmann - £1 314
Jack Brabham - £1 257
Jo Bonnier - £1 257
Paolo Marzotto - £1 257
Archie Scott Brown - £1 257
Mike Hawthorn - £1 143
Jim Russell - £1 086
Troy Ruttman - £1 029
Peter Collins - £1 000
Giannino Marzotto - £500
Vittorio Marzotto - £500
Luigi Piotti - £500
Georges Burggraf - £500
Luigi Musso - £500
Lucien Bianchi - £500
Umberto Marzotto - £500
Redmond Gallagher - £500

Prize money (position)
Onofre Marimón - £26 000
B. Bira - £21 250
Tony Gaze - £16 500
Graham Hill - £11 750
Maria Teresa de Filippis - £9 000
Duncan Hamilton - £6 250
Consalvo Sanesi - £5 500
Jack Fairman - £4 750
José Froilán González - £4 750
Stuart Lewis-Evans - £4 000
Umberto Maglioli - £2 500
Alan Stacey - £2 250
Juan Manuel Fangio - £2 000
Masten Gregory - £1 750
Giulio Cabianca - £1 500
Stirling Moss - £1 500
Maurice Trintignant - £1 250
André Simon - £1 000
Gerino Gerini - £750
Gilberte Thirion - £500
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £250

Budgets have been updated.
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Hernandez will scrap their chassis. We will use 500 GBP of the scrap money for Thirion's services.
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Volonterio's chassis will be repared, Moss' engine will be scrapped and replaced.
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It is now time for undoubtedly the most important vote of the year: the 1958 calendar!

As with last year, to vote on the calendar, you may submit an ordered list of 10 circuits you wish to see on the championship calendar for 1958. Your top choice will get 10 points, your second choice 9 points, etc.

The top 8 circuits will automatically be included, with the following 3 subjected to a secondary yes-or-no vote.

You may also vote for two non-championship races you wish to see run during the off-season. These races will be used to try out potential new game mechanics.

The deadline for votes is August 26th 2017 at 3pm, CET.
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1. Indianapolis 500
2. US GP - Sebring
3. Singapore GP - Thomson Road
4. German GP - Deustchlandring
5. Italian GP - Monza (full layout)
6. Portuguese GP - Monsanto
7. Moroccan GP - Ain-Diab
8. British GP - Holyroodhouse (long layout)
9. Spanish GP - Pedralbes
10. France GP - Reims

NC races:

Argentine GP - Circuito Retiro
Golden State Prix - San Francisco

1 500 GBP will be granted to whoever vote for these NC races.
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1. Indy 500
2. Monaco
3. Monza
4. Ain Diab
5. Spa
6. Nurburgring
7. Zandvoort
8. Wicklow
9. Watkins Glen.
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1. Australian GP - Albert Park
2. British GP - Silverstone
3. German GP - Nurburgring Nordschleife
4. Italian GP - Monza
5. USA Grand Prix - Sebring
6. Monaco Grand Prix - Monaco
7. Portuguese GP - Monsanto
8. Singapore Grand Prix - Thomson Road
9. Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps
10. Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort
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1. Australian GP - Albert Park
2. USA Grand Prix - Sebring
3. Singapore Grand Prix - Thomson Road
4. British GP - Brands Hatch
5. German GP - Deustchlandring
6. French GP - Pau
7. Monaco Grand Prix - Monaco
8. Portuguese GP - Monsanto
9. Irish Grand Prix - Wicklow
10. Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort

NC Races
Argentine GP - Circuito Retiro
Golden State Prix - San Francisco
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1. Moroccan Grand Prix / Ain-Diab
2. Monaco Grand Prix / Monte-Carlo
3. French Grand Prix / Reims
4. German Grand Prix / AVUS
5. Dutch Grand Prix / Zandvoort
6. Portuguese Grand Prix / Boavista
7. Freedom Grand Prix / Sebring
8. Italian Grand Prix / Monza
9. British Grand Prix / Silverstone
10. Argentine Grand Prix / Buenos Aires
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1. British Grand Prix - Snetterton
2. Moroccan Grand Prix - Ain-Diab
3. Murican Grand Prix - Road America
4. German Grand Prix - Nurburgring Südschleife
5. French Grand Prix - Reims
6. Irish Grand Prix - Wicklow
7. Spanish Grand Prix - Pedralbes
8. Belgian Grand Prix - Spa
9. Italian Grand Prix - Monza
10. London Grand Prix - Crystal Palace
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*sees 20 votes for Indianapolis* Yep, democracy continues to be the worst possible method of drawing up a calendar. Well, time to be a hypocrite again...

Word of advice for anyone voting for an Irish Grand Prix: Wicklow ceased hosting motor racing events after 1957, and a Grand Prix there would almost certainly have brought these races to an even quicker end, what with costs and the hassle of closing important local thoroughfares for an extra weekend each year. There was a growing opposition to the races in real life and a Grand Prix would only have accelerated their demise. As an alternative, I would suggest this better attempt at drawing a triangle with roads (warning, it's a suspension-killer): http://theracingline.net/racingcircuits ... boyne.html

An endorsement of this crazy test of man and metal coffin from Mr. John Watson MBE.

My votes:

1. Monsanto Park
2. Reims
3. Nürburgring Nordschleife
4. Zandvoort
5. Silverstone
6. Monza
7. Monaco
8. Spa
9. Kristianstad
10. Opatija

Non-championship races
Gran Premio di Siracusa (Syracuse, classic way to open the international F1 season)
BRDC International Trophy (Silverstone, the other classic way to open the international F1 season)
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Reason: Porto switched for Monsanto to avoid split preferences for Portuguese GP; Reims moved up to 2nd because the French GP appears, unthinkably, to be in danger; Zandvoort promoted; Watkins Glen swapped out for Kristianstad
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Come on Lads, where's your humour? Let's put Monaco in the bin, or else, turn it to a non-Championship GP :P

1. Spa
2. Dunboyne
3. Sebring
4. Monza
5. Morocco Ain Diab
6. Reims
7. Nurburgring Nordschleife
8. Oulton Park (Grand Prix of Chester)
9. Interlagos
10. Aintree (Grand Prix of Merseyside)

Non-Championship Races: (The wider opportunity of the Blue Riband)

Monaco Grand Prix
Indianapolis 500 (As a separate event, with limited spaces for Current F1 Drivers?!?!?!?!?
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Maserati's calendar

1-Aintree (European GP)
2-Monte Carlo (Monaco GP)
3-Spa-Francochamps (Belgian GP)
4-Zandvoort (Dutch GP)
5-Nurburgring (German GP)
6-Silverstone (British GP)
7-Monza (Italian GP)
8-Sebring (USA GP)
9-Buenos Aires (Argentina GP)
10-Ain Diab (Moroccan GP)

NC Races

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The British Racing Partnership would like to see the following races:

  • Crystal Palace Circuit (10 points)
  • Aintree Circuit (9 points)
  • Oulton Park (8 points)
  • Goodwood Circuit (7 points)
  • Donington Park (6 points)
  • Thruxton Circuit (5 points)
  • Snetterton Circuit (4 points)
  • Silverstone Circuit (3 points)
  • Dunboyne Circuit (2 points)
  • Brands Hatch (1 point)

We believe this to be an entirely reasonable and logical Formula One calendar.

Additionally, we favour the following non-Championship events:

  • Monaco Grand Prix
  • Indianapolis 500 (with all realistic Indy drivers, plus a load of F1 drivers and a massive pre-qualifying)

EDIT: Fixing the Irish GP vote.
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1. Silverstone (British GP)
2. Dunboyne (Irish GP)
3. Monte-Carlo (Monaco GP)
4. Ain-Diab (Moroccan GP)
5. Nurburgring (German GP)
6. Monza (Italian GP)
7. Spa-Francochamps (Belgian GP)
8. Sebring (US GP)
9. Zandvoort (Dutch GP)
10. Buenos Aires (Argentina GP)
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1 Hungarian GP Nepliget Park.
2. Australian GP - Albert Park
3. Austrian GP - Zeltweg Aerodrome
4. British GP - Snetterton
5. Venezulan GP - Caracas
6. Italian GP - Pescara
7. French GP - St Etienne.
8. Portuguese GP - Monsanto Park
9 . Swedish GP - Kristianstad.
10 Dutch GP - Assen

Non Championship Races

Cuban GP - Malecon Avenue - Because does Fangio get kidnapped now?
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1. Kristianstad (SWE)
2. Albert Park (AUS)
3. Monaco (MON)
4. Rouen-les-Essarts (FRA)
5. Spa-Francorchamps (BEL)
6. Buenos Aires (ARG)
7. Silverstone (GBR)
8. Pescara (ITA)
9. Monza (ITA)
10. Nurburgring Nordschleife (GER)
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Posting again for those who either missed it or refused to listen:

Simtek wrote:Word of advice for anyone voting for an Irish Grand Prix: Wicklow ceased hosting motor racing events after 1957, and a Grand Prix there would almost certainly have brought these races to an even quicker end, what with costs and the hassle of closing important local thoroughfares for an extra weekend each year. There was a growing opposition to the races in real life and a Grand Prix would only have accelerated their demise. As an alternative, I would suggest this better attempt at drawing a triangle with roads (warning, it's a suspension-killer): http://theracingline.net/racingcircuits ... boyne.html

Please, vote Dunboyne instead if you want Ireland on the calendar. Or Phoenix Park. Or vote to go to Finland or something.
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Simtek wrote:Posting again for those who either missed it or refused to listen:

Simtek wrote:Word of advice for anyone voting for an Irish Grand Prix: Wicklow ceased hosting motor racing events after 1957, and a Grand Prix there would almost certainly have brought these races to an even quicker end, what with costs and the hassle of closing important local thoroughfares for an extra weekend each year. There was a growing opposition to the races in real life and a Grand Prix would only have accelerated their demise. As an alternative, I would suggest this better attempt at drawing a triangle with roads (warning, it's a suspension-killer): http://theracingline.net/racingcircuits ... boyne.html

Please, vote Dunboyne instead if you want Ireland on the calendar. Or Phoenix Park. Or vote to go to Finland or something.


Sorry about no paying attention properly :p I guess i'll alter on my votes for Dunboyne. I highly recommend all Wicklow entries to change for Dunboyne. :)
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1. Deutschlandring
2. Rouen-les-Essarts
3. Sachsenring
4. Nürburgring Nordschleife
5. Spa Francorchamps
6. Road America
7. Opatija
8. Zandvoort
9. Monte-Carlo
10. Kristianstad
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Just going to leave this here for the San Fran voters. :P

Gary Horstkorta wrote:Not everybody was enamoured, though. Environmentalists wielded power even then [1954] and the city fathers succumbed to their pressure to stop the races: too many people, too much noise, and damage to plants and trees. Racing cars were getting faster, too, increasing the chance of a big accident. The venue was consigned to history.
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After a successful season, here's Scuderia Centro-Sud's preferred calendar.

1. Monaco Grand Prix - Circuit de Monaco
2. French Grand Prix - Rouen
3. Belgian Grand Prix - Spa
4. Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort
5. British Grand Prix - Silverstone
6. German Grand Prix - Nurburgring
7. Spanish Grand Prix - Pedrables
8. Italian Grand Prix - Monza
9. United States Grand Prix - Sebring
10. Argentine Grand Prix - Buenos Aires
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Because the calendar is entirely at my whim, I decided the top 9 is locked in. There was a tie for 11th place, and because Monsanto had both more votes and the highest single vote, it wins out over Rouen.

1. Circuit de Monaco (Monaco Grand Prix) - 68
2. Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps (Belgian Grand Prix) - 56
3. Autodromo Nazionale Monza (Italian Grand Prix) - 52
4. Nürburgring Nordschleife (German Grand Prix) - 50
5. Silverstone Circuit (British Grand Prix) - 45
6. Ain-Diab Circuit (Moroccan Grand Prix) - 44
7. Sebring International Raceway (United States Grand Prix) - 44
8. Albert Park (Australian Grand Prix) - 38
9. Circuit Park Zandvoort (Dutch Grand Prix) - 38

10. Circuit de Reims-Gueux (French Grand Prix) - 29
11. Circuito de Monsanto (Portuguese Grand Prix) - 25

12. Circuit de Rouen-les-Essarts (Norman Grand Prix) - 25
13. Deutschlandring (East German Grand Prix) - 23
14. Snetterton Circuit (English Grand Prix) - 21
15. Indianapolis Motor Speedway (Indianapolis 500) - 20
16. Aintree Motor Racing Speedway (Aintree 200) - 20
17. Dunboyne Circuit (Irish Grand Prix) - 20
18. Thomson Road Circuit (Singaporean Grand Prix) - 19
19. Rabelövsbanan Kristianstad (Swedish Grand Prix) - 15
20. Road America (Great Lakes Grand Prix) - 13
21. Oulton Park (International Gold Cup) - 11
22. Crystal Palace Circuit (London Grand Prix) - 11
23. Wicklow Circuit (Leinster Trophy) - 10
24. Nepliget Park (Hungarian Grand Prix) - 10
25. Autódromo Municipal Ciudad de Buenos Aires (Argentine Grand Prix) - 10
26. Circuito de Pedralbes (Spanish Grand Prix) - 10
27. Brands Hatch (Kent Grand Prix) - 8
28. Zeltweg Air Base (Austrian Grand Prix) - 8
29. Circuito di Pescara (Coppa Acerbo) - 8
30. Sachsenring (Saxon Grand Prix) - 8
31. AVUS (AVUS Rennen) - 7
32. Nürburgring Südschleife (Rhineland Grand Prix) - 7
33. Goodwood Circuit (Sussex Grand Prix) - 7
34. Donington Park (Leicestershire Grand Prix) - 6
35. Autodromo Caracas (Venezuelan Grand Prix) - 6
36. Circuito da Boavista (Oporto Grand Prix) - 5
37. Circuit de Pau (Pau Grand Prix) - 5
38. Thruxton Circuit (Hampshire Grand Prix) - 5
39. Opatija Circuit (Yugoslavian Grand Prix) - 5
40. Circuit de Saint-Etienne (Auvergne Grand Prix) - 4
41. Holyroodhouse Street Circuit (Scottish Grand Prix) - 3
42. Watkins Glen (New England Grand Prix) - 2
43. Autodromo do Interlagos (Brazilian Grand Prix) - 2
44. TT Circuit Assen (Drenthe Circuit) - 1

You can vote on Reims and Monsanto for the next week.
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To clarify, voting it done on the poll at the top of the page.

XIII Gran Premio de España - entry list
1. Jack Fairman (Owen Racing Organisation) - OSCA F156A chassis 13, BRM P26 engine 3
2. Alan Stacey (Owen Racing Organisation) - OSCA F156A chassis 10, BRM P26 engine 4
3. Duncan Hamilton (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW57 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
4. Umberto Maglioli (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 801 chassis 3, Ferrari DS50 engine 2
5. Tony Gaze (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 801 chassis 2, Ferrari DS50 engine 3
6. Giulio Cabianca (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 801 chassis 1, Ferrari DS50 engine 1
7. Paco Godia (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari R560 chassis 4, Ferrari RS560 engine 4
8. Alfonso De Portago (Pegaso) - Ferrari R560 chassis 1 - Ferrari RS560 engine 1
9. Jim Russell (Connaught Engineering) - Connaught Type B chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 9
10. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Connaught Engineering) - Connaught Type B chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 10
11. Archie Scott Brown (Norfolk Engineering) - Vanwall VW56 chassis 6, Vanwall VE2 engine 4
12. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 4, Gordini G258/A engine 5
13. Jo Bonnier (Gordini) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 1, Gordini G258/A engine 2
14. Georges Burggraf (Gordini) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 2, Gordini G258/A engine 1
15. André Simon (Gordini) - Gordini Type 56 Chassis 3, Gordini G258/A engine 3
16. Onofre Marimón (Asso di Fiori) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 14, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 8
17. Giorgio Scarlatti (Scuderia Adriatica) - Lancia D50 chassis 4, Lancia DS50 engine 3
18. Stirling Moss (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 15
19. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 5
20. José Froilán González (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 7, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 6
21. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 8, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 7
22. Gerino Gerini (Officine Alfieri Maserati) - Cooper T41 chassis 2, Maserati 56A engine 2
23. Casimiro de Oliveira (Casimiro de Oliveira) - Ferrari R560 chassis 3, Ferrari RS560 engine 2
24. Berardo Taraschi (Automobiles Deutsch & Bonnet) - DB 01 chassis 1, DB 84-1 engine 1
25. Peter Collins (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 4
26. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
27. Mike Hawthorn (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 3, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 5
28. David Hampshire (Hampshire Racing Alliance) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 16, Vanwall VE2 engine 2
29. B. Bira (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 10 chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 1
30. Maurice Trintignant (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 10 chassis 7, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 2
31. Troy Ruttman (Rob Walker Racing) - B.C.M.A. C-01 chassis 4, B.C.M.A. A/AS Griffin engine 1

You have until Monday September 4th 2017 at noon CET to enter the race.
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