Alt-1957: Post-season auction!

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 30 Nov 2016, 22:05

Ataxia wrote:We are in the market for a pair of strong engines. Offers will be accepted, but I'm not going to entertain any rubbish proposals.

BRM would like to rekindle our relationship with Mr. Owen and offer him our brand new BRM P26 engine for the bargain price of £16,000 per unit

Post by **kevinbotz** » 30 Nov 2016, 22:16

B.C.M.A. confirm the loan deal with Ecurie Ecosse, and shall allocate C-01 chassis 1 and A/AS Griffin engine 1 with respect to the deal.

The Financial Times wrote:Six major British defence concerns reorganized under new statutory corporation

January 24th, 1957

A government spokesperson announced today that, in light of the significant layoffs across the British defence industry observed in the previous two months, six nationally important industrial concerns will be nationalised and reincorporated under a new corporation established by Parliamentary statute. This new corporation, Commonwealth Defence and Aerospace, shall comprise of Blackburn Aircraft, A.V. Roe and Company, the De Havilland Aircraft Company, Folland Aircraft, the Alvis Car and Engineering Company, and the Hawker Siddeley Group, with the newly constituent companies to be organized into two corporate subdivisions, Commonwealth Aviation, and Commonwealth Dynamics.

The resultant political fallout from the failure of the Suez intervention, and the capitulation of the Eden government just two weeks prior, is believed to have had a significant role to play in the downturn suffered by the British defence and aerospace industry, and concomitantly, the nationalisation and consolidation of the aforementioned companies within a single corporate entity. Much of the management structure and personnel have been transplanted from the British Commonwealth Motorsport Association that had been commissioned as a financial rescue scheme for Alvis and Armstrong Siddeley a mere two years ago, and which has met with remarkable success in international Grand Prix racing since.

Sir Edward Palmerston, present director of the B.C.M.A. and a former director of the Nuffield Organisation, is expected to be elevated to the position chief executive responsible for Commonwealth Defence and Aerospace. The Financial Times understands that he is highly regarded within defence and business circles alike, and possesses extensive ties to British industry, Westminster, the Ministry of Defence, and the British intelligence community. B.C.M.A. itself is to be retained as a specialist research subsidiary of Commonwealth Dynamics, and is expected to continue its participation in Formula One as a fully-fledged Grand Prix racing operation.

Motor Sport wrote:New B.C.M.A. design on the horizon; to feature extensive technical innovation sourced from aviation

Motor Sport understands that Reid Railton, having had his technical team substantially reinforced in the previous few weeks, has arrived at the final design concept for B.C.M.A.'s challenger for the 1957 World Championship. Inspired by existing developments in aerospace, this new car is expected to boast a forged aluminium space-frame chassis, a far cry from the heavy, steel ladder chassis of yesteryear, sleek, aerodynamic bodywork molded from magnesium alloy, and a lightweight two and a half litre straight-six engine developed with the full extent of the considerable combined technical capacity and engineering expertise of Alvis and Armstrong Siddeley.

Additionally, Motor Sport has learned that the engine shall be placed behind the front axle of the car, with the oil pan and gearbox situated low within the chassis, in pursuit of a more equitable distribution of weight and a lower centre of gravity to minimize body roll under heavy cornering. Whilst a rear-engined solution was briefly pursued, the desperately underwhelming performance of the similarly configured Cooper T40 and T41 have compelled Railton and his engineers to consider such an approach to be too radical, and too risky, of a technical gamble.

B.C.M.A. will proceed to design a new chassis and a new engine for £100,000 and £60,000, respectively. Additionally, the chassis and engine will receive the following designations:

Chassis: RP.1001
Engine: A/A-S Wyvern

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Nov 2016, 22:34

Cooper Car Company will try to enter 3 cars at the Belgian, German, French, English and Scottish GP. The Dutch GP could be an option as well. Our preference obviousy goes to retaining Harry Schell for the Maserati powered car and Reg Parnell for the Climax powered car who've driven very well.

Full list:
Car Maserati: Harry Schell - Maria Teresa De Filippis - Masten Gregory - Tony Bettenhausen - Phill Hill
Car Climax: Reg Parnell - Olivier Gendebien - Roy Salvadori - Cliff Allison - Any of the British drivers who received a bid for the third car.
Likely third car (in order of preference)
Germany: Wolfgang Von Trips - Hans Hermann - Carel Godin De Beaufort - Wolfgang Seidel - Edgar Barth
Belgium: Paul Frère - André Pilette - Alain De Changy - Christian Goethals - Willy Mairesse
France only: André Testut - Ottorino Volonterio - Robert La Caze - François Picard - Jean Lucienbonnet
England and Scotland: Horace Gould - Jack Fairman - Ron Flockhart - Bob Gerard - Ivor Bueb

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 01 Dec 2016, 00:49

Officine ALfieri Maserati will keep the two Coopers that it has and would need to have the latest Cooper car (if Cooper team wishes so) and will build and extra 56A engine for 20.0000

Drivers to happen soon

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 01 Dec 2016, 01:46

Asso di Fiori plan to field one full time car, using O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 4 and O.S.C.A. 1500S-56 engine 3. They would also like to enquire about the possibility of acquiring a second chassis and engine from O.S.C.A.?

Driver offers:
Onofre Marimon
Cesare Perdisa
Alfonso de Portago

Gonzalez · Post by **Gonzalez** » 01 Dec 2016, 10:53

After careful but almost-too-late thinking Connaught will be looking to fit an OSCA engine in one of their cars in a bid to move further up the field. More info and confirmantion will be done shortly.

Connaught are also looking to scrap both of their Bentley engines at whatever amount they can get back from them.

Driver Offers:

Luigi Musso
Cliff Allison
Duncan Hamilton
Les Leston
Olivier Gendebien

Note: The Top 2 drivers will be RNG'ed first for the 2 seats and so the order goes down should 1 or both of the drivers decline their offers.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 01 Dec 2016, 11:16

As announced previously, Team Lotus will not be running any races as a works team this year. However, we will still repair the damaged BCMA engine, and are happy to loan out Lotus-BCMA packages to interested privateers

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 01 Dec 2016, 13:08

Gonzalez wrote:After careful but almost-too-late thinking Connaught will be looking to fit an OSCA engine in one of their cars in a bid to move further up the field. More info and confirmantion will be done shortly.

Connaught are also looking to scrap both of their Bentley engines at whatever amount they can get back from them.

Driver Offers:

Luigi Musso
Cliff Allison
Les Leston

OSCA are always happy about a new customer. Please specify if you want to purchase a 1956 (12,500) or a 1957 one (17,500).

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 01 Dec 2016, 20:27

As confirmed, Deustch-Bonnet will buy both Bentley engines that belong to Connaught at 6000.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 01 Dec 2016, 22:39

RonDenisDeletraz wrote:Asso di Fiori plan to field one full time car, using O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 4 and O.S.C.A. 1500S-56 engine 3. They would also like to enquire about the possibility of acquiring a second chassis and engine from O.S.C.A.?

Driver offers:
Onofre Marimon
Cesare Perdisa
Alfonso de Portago

Of course you can buy a second car. Chassis costs 27,500, old (1956-spec) engine costs 12,500, new engine costs 17,500.

Gonzalez · Post by **Gonzalez** » 02 Dec 2016, 02:24

Connaught will sell both of their 2 Bentley engines to DB for £6000 in total.

I may be looking to getting rid of one of my Climax to make way possibly for an new OSCA in a bid to move up further on the field.

I will confirm the deal with OSCA later, but other than that, the Climax engine will be put for sale and open to anyone willing to offer. I have currently 2 offers on standby during a discussion in the chat (I mean, Telegram) but I will continue to keep it for Sale in a bid to see if i can get a better offer from it.

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 02 Dec 2016, 05:12

Ecurie Maghreb is interested in going forward into 1957. We will ask for Andre Guelfi if he wishes to go another season with us.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 02 Dec 2016, 10:53

Tony Vandervell is in the firm belief that throwing enough cash at problems will make them go away. Therefore:

A new chassis will be designed for £100 000. It will logically be named VW57. These will be sold for £28 000 (£27 000 for British customers). One will be built for the factory team.
A new engine named VE2 will be designed to replace the aging 254 unit for £60 000. These will be sold for £17 500 (£17 000 for British customers). One will be built for the factory team.
A package deal for the above designs costs £44 000 (£42 000 for British customers). Further discounts may be available for loyal customers, but these will be negotiated separatedly.
The 254 will be kept in the manufacturing program for now, as a budget option for less-funded privateers.

The following drivers will be courted for their services in our single factory entry:
Desmond Titterington
Stirling Moss
Mike Hawthorn
Peter Collins
Duncan Hamilton
Les Leston
Peter Whitehead

Post by **Londoner** » 02 Dec 2016, 15:52

Hampshire Racing Alliance will press on into 1957.

O.S.C.A 156s engine 10 will be scrapped if there are no takers before the start of the season.

We will also put up Vanwall VW56 chassis 2 and Vanwall 254 engine 5 for sale. This combination proved reliable and capable of making the field on a regular basis in 1956, and would be the perfect car for a fledgling team to take on.

Post by **Ataxia** » 02 Dec 2016, 17:34

V8fan12 wrote:
Ataxia wrote:We are in the market for a pair of strong engines. Offers will be accepted, but I'm not going to entertain any rubbish proposals.

BRM would like to rekindle our relationship with Mr. Owen and offer him our brand new BRM P26 engine for the bargain price of £16,000 per unit

We would like to purchase two, please, and we thank BRM for working with us to build bridges.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 02 Dec 2016, 17:50

OSCA will build four 1557 engines for the factory team.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 02 Dec 2016, 18:03

I noticed a price clash with the Vanwall chassis options. Therefore, the price of VW56 will be dropped to £26 000 (£25 500 for British customers).

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 02 Dec 2016, 19:36

Ataxia wrote:
V8fan12 wrote:
Ataxia wrote:We are in the market for a pair of strong engines. Offers will be accepted, but I'm not going to entertain any rubbish proposals.

BRM would like to rekindle our relationship with Mr. Owen and offer him our brand new BRM P26 engine for the bargain price of £16,000 per unit

We would like to purchase two, please, and we thank BRM for working with us to build bridges.

Done deal! We thank Mr. Owen for his business

Post by **kevinbotz** » 03 Dec 2016, 01:44

B.C.M.A. will proceed to construct RP.1001 chassis 1, 2 and 3, as well as A/AS Wyvern engines 1, 2, and 3.

Furthermore, B.C.M.A. shall approach the following drivers for their services for the upcoming season.

Car 1:

Peter Collins
Stirling Moss
Duncan Hamilton
Tony Gaze
Jean Behra

Car 2:

Jack Brabham
Stirling Moss
Graham Hill
Bruce McLaren
Phil Hill

Car 3:

Mike Hawthorn
Stirling Moss
Wolfgang von Trips
Roy Salvadori
Graham Hill

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 03 Dec 2016, 08:57

FantometteBR wrote:Officine ALfieri Maserati will keep the two Coopers that it has and would need to have the latest Cooper car (if Cooper team wishes so) and will build and extra 56A engine for 20.0000

Drivers to happen soon

Whatever cars/engines you build is up to you. Though i'd like to have it officialised that we can use each others material in races we don't attend. And more importantly, agree on the lowering of the selling prices as suggested on page 1.

Also, Ecurie Maarsbergen is interested in renting one of those Lotus-BCMA packages. Carel will only attend the Dutch GP this year.

Gonzalez wrote:Connaught will sell both of their 2 Bentley engines to DB for £6000 in total.

I may be looking to getting rid of one of my Climax to make way possibly for an new OSCA in a bid to move up further on the field.

I will confirm the deal with OSCA later, but other than that, the Climax engine will be put for sale and open to anyone willing to offer. I have currently 2 offers on standby during a discussion in the chat (I mean, Telegram) but I will continue to keep it for Sale in a bid to see if i can get a better offer from it.

If this is an undamaged Climax IV, Cooper can offer at maximum 20000. If it's not an IV, we don't bid on it.

Gonzalez · Post by **Gonzalez** » 03 Dec 2016, 10:19

This wrote:
FantometteBR wrote:Officine ALfieri Maserati will keep the two Coopers that it has and would need to have the latest Cooper car (if Cooper team wishes so) and will build and extra 56A engine for 20.0000

Drivers to happen soon

Whatever cars/engines you build is up to you. Though i'd like to have it officialised that we can use each others material in races we don't attend. And more importantly, agree on the lowering of the selling prices as suggested on page 1.

Also, Ecurie Maarsbergen is interested in renting one of those Lotus-BCMA packages. Carel will only attend the Dutch GP this year.

Gonzalez wrote:Connaught will sell both of their 2 Bentley engines to DB for £6000 in total.

I may be looking to getting rid of one of my Climax to make way possibly for an new OSCA in a bid to move up further on the field.

I will confirm the deal with OSCA later, but other than that, the Climax engine will be put for sale and open to anyone willing to offer. I have currently 2 offers on standby during a discussion in the chat (I mean, Telegram) but I will continue to keep it for Sale in a bid to see if i can get a better offer from it.
If this is an undamaged Climax IV, Cooper can offer at maximum 20000. If it's not an IV, we don't bid on it.

The selling engine will be a Climax FPF IV. It has only been used for 3 races so far, so it's still in good condition. If this is what you are looking for, Connaught will surely accept your bid.

As Connaught are desperate to get both cars further up the field, are you interested in only 1 engine or would you like to take 2?

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 03 Dec 2016, 14:56

Gonzalez wrote:
This wrote:
FantometteBR wrote:Officine ALfieri Maserati will keep the two Coopers that it has and would need to have the latest Cooper car (if Cooper team wishes so) and will build and extra 56A engine for 20.0000

Drivers to happen soon

Whatever cars/engines you build is up to you. Though i'd like to have it officialised that we can use each others material in races we don't attend. And more importantly, agree on the lowering of the selling prices as suggested on page 1.

Also, Ecurie Maarsbergen is interested in renting one of those Lotus-BCMA packages. Carel will only attend the Dutch GP this year.

Gonzalez wrote:Connaught will sell both of their 2 Bentley engines to DB for £6000 in total.

I may be looking to getting rid of one of my Climax to make way possibly for an new OSCA in a bid to move up further on the field.

I will confirm the deal with OSCA later, but other than that, the Climax engine will be put for sale and open to anyone willing to offer. I have currently 2 offers on standby during a discussion in the chat (I mean, Telegram) but I will continue to keep it for Sale in a bid to see if i can get a better offer from it.
If this is an undamaged Climax IV, Cooper can offer at maximum 20000. If it's not an IV, we don't bid on it.

The selling engine will be a Climax FPF IV. It has only been used for 3 races so far, so it's still in good condition. If this is what you are looking for, Connaught will surely accept your bid.

As Connaught are desperate to get both cars further up the field, are you interested in only 1 engine or would you like to take 2?

2 engines for 25000 is my bid (that's not much more, but i can not risk too much debt) i can maybe offer more for the second engine after the French GP though.

Gonzalez · Post by **Gonzalez** » 03 Dec 2016, 18:31

In that case, Connaught will be very happy to lend you the one climax engine for £20000 and leave the other engine aside for later. After the French GP, we will talk again soon regarding the other part of the deal.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 03 Dec 2016, 18:49

Gonzalez wrote:In that case, Connaught will be very happy to lend you the one climax engine for £20000 and leave the other engine aside for later. After the French GP, we will talk again soon regarding the other part of the deal.

We'll have to wait for this deal to finalise, someone else is trying to outpropose you with engines, and i'll see what he has to say...

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 03 Dec 2016, 20:45

I am all for both Cooper's proposals ('sharing' properties and lowering the prices)

Gonzalez · Post by **Gonzalez** » 03 Dec 2016, 20:48

This wrote:
Gonzalez wrote:In that case, Connaught will be very happy to lend you the one climax engine for £20000 and leave the other engine aside for later. After the French GP, we will talk again soon regarding the other part of the deal.

We'll have to wait for this deal to finalise, someone else is trying to outpropose you with engines, and i'll see what he has to say...

While this deal is waiting, Connaught will buy one of the 1957 OSCA engines for 17,500. If this deal is done, Connaught will buy another OSCA 1957 engine.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 03 Dec 2016, 21:10

Gonzalez wrote:
This wrote:
Gonzalez wrote:In that case, Connaught will be very happy to lend you the one climax engine for £20000 and leave the other engine aside for later. After the French GP, we will talk again soon regarding the other part of the deal.

We'll have to wait for this deal to finalise, someone else is trying to outpropose you with engines, and i'll see what he has to say...

While this deal is waiting, Connaught will buy one of the 1957 OSCA engines for 17,500. If this deal is done, Connaught will buy another OSCA 1957 engine.

I can let you know that at the moment, i have to make a choice between exact the same engines, so whoever goes lowest in their prices, gets the deal. Whilst i always have as much Maserati engines at my disposal as i want.

Gonzalez · Post by **Gonzalez** » 03 Dec 2016, 23:25

This wrote:
Gonzalez wrote:
This wrote:We'll have to wait for this deal to finalise, someone else is trying to outpropose you with engines, and i'll see what he has to say...

While this deal is waiting, Connaught will buy one of the 1957 OSCA engines for 17,500. If this deal is done, Connaught will buy another OSCA 1957 engine.

I can let you know that at the moment, i have to make a choice between exact the same engines, so whoever goes lowest in their prices, gets the deal. Whilst i always have as much Maserati engines at my disposal as i want.

That's no Problem. By the way the price i am asking for can be lowered if possible, but this will wait as well.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 04 Dec 2016, 00:15

This wrote: Whilst i always have as much Maserati engines at my disposal as i want.

I don't think that's as much of a blessing as Cooper are making it out to be...

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 04 Dec 2016, 11:38

pasta_maldonado wrote:
This wrote: Whilst i always have as much Maserati engines at my disposal as i want.

I don't think that's as much of a blessing as Cooper are making it out to be...

It is still a warning that they should go low enough with their prices. Gonzales, i think it's the best for you to lower your prices to put the other guy in a nearly impossible position, where the only solution for them would be... buying shares :shock:

The nightmare of every entrant on the grid

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 04 Dec 2016, 12:23

Okay, Asso di Fiori will buy a chassis and new engine from O.S.C.A. at 27,500 and 17,500 respectively.

Anyway, is it too late to send the Aston-Jags to the scrapheap?

Post by **tommykl** » 04 Dec 2016, 12:41

RonDenisDeletraz wrote:Okay, Asso di Fiori will buy a chassis and new engine from O.S.C.A. at 27,500 and 17,500 respectively.

Anyway, is it too late to send the Aston-Jags to the scrapheap?

It's never too late. However, I recommend you only scrap the damaged chassis, as the undamaged components can be sold to collectors for a much higher amount.

Gonzalez · Post by **Gonzalez** » 04 Dec 2016, 14:21

This wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:
This wrote: Whilst i always have as much Maserati engines at my disposal as i want.

I don't think that's as much of a blessing as Cooper are making it out to be...

It is still a warning that they should go low enough with their prices. Gonzales, i think it's the best for you to lower your prices to put the other guy in a nearly impossible position, where the only solution for them would be... buying shares The nightmare of every entrant on the grid

At your request, Connaught will be happy to cut the price down to 10000 at the lowest and 12000 at the highest. Hopefully this will be a much fairer deal.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 04 Dec 2016, 15:16

Gonzalez wrote:At your request, Connaught will be happy to cut the price down to 10000 at the lowest and 12000 at the highest. Hopefully this will be a much fairer deal.

11000 per engine? 22000? Ok, seems like a fair deal, let's do it. And i'm absolutely sorry for Coventry Climax, i understand you can't offer engines below their building price, but you can clearly see i'm not gaining much from it, right?

And Maserati, you're better of selling that old Formula 2 T40 to collectors

Gonzalez · Post by **Gonzalez** » 04 Dec 2016, 17:03

This wrote:
Gonzalez wrote:At your request, Connaught will be happy to cut the price down to 10000 at the lowest and 12000 at the highest. Hopefully this will be a much fairer deal.

11000 per engine? 22000? Ok, seems like a fair deal, let's do it. And i'm absolutely sorry for Coventry Climax, i understand you can't offer engines below their building price, but you can clearly see i'm not gaining much from it, right?

And Maserati, you're better of selling that old Formula 2 T40 to collectors

Deal Confirmed.

Connaught will sell you both its Climax engines for a total of 22000.
Nice pleasure of doing business with you.

This will also confirm that I will be buying another 1957 OSCA engine.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 04 Dec 2016, 19:56

This wrote:
Gonzalez wrote:At your request, Connaught will be happy to cut the price down to 10000 at the lowest and 12000 at the highest. Hopefully this will be a much fairer deal.

11000 per engine? 22000? Ok, seems like a fair deal, let's do it. And i'm absolutely sorry for Coventry Climax, i understand you can't offer engines below their building price, but you can clearly see i'm not gaining much from it, right?

And Maserati, you're better of selling that old Formula 2 T40 to collectors

Guess is an option we are goimg to pick

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 04 Dec 2016, 20:08

i can now also confirm i will be repairing T41 chassis 5.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 04 Dec 2016, 21:13

Team Lotus would like to confirm they have bought all of Maserati's Cooper shares. In exchange, Maserati will receive $10 000 and two Lotus 10 chassis (number 3 and number 5).

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 05 Dec 2016, 00:46

Wizzie wrote:Team Lotus would like to confirm they have bought all of Maserati's Cooper shares. In exchange, Maserati will receive $10 000 and two Lotus 10 chassis (number 3 and number 5).

Well, i didn't see that one coming...

Remember that these shares are only IP rights and prize money to the T41 design and absolutely nothing else. You have no legitimacy over Cooper Car company or construction other Cooper models. (though if you intend to do so, i will not necessairyly reject the idea)
I hope the one who sold you this informed you about all the shady sides of it all. Though you can decide everything on your own regarding the T41 without my agreement considering you got a majority share of the IP, you are still obligated to report to me whatever you're doing. At this point, i can construct T41's at selling price as agreed with previous shareholders. I do sincerely hope you don't raise that price to piss me off

Well, my contractual deals regarding semi-works engines and receiving Maseratis assets if they get bankrupt are still valid, regardless of them having shares or not. I wish them much luck and thank them for their loyalty all this time.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 05 Dec 2016, 01:19

I feel like I've looked away and some sort of scam has happened.

I guess that just shows what rampant capitalism does to a sport. Go Soviet or go home!

What track should be tenth in the 1958 season?