Grand Prix Rejects

Hello and welcome, to my virtual, non-canon 1984 Formula One championship - F1 1984+!

I hope this thread will be easy and satisfying to play, with a few unusual ideas, one of which is...

... 'staggered signings'. Meaning, signings of drivers, sponsors and engine suppliers will take place in two separate batches. The idea being, there is an element “should I, shouldn't I” when faced with the decision to sign a contract sooner at the risk of losing the chance to sign a superior contract that may come in the second batch, or to wait and lose the opportunity to sign a contract now in the hope there is a superior contract available in the second batch.

In addition to this, I offer you: 'D&T' (Development & Test opportunities), the ability to sign drivers so unsuccessful Wikipedia doesn't have a page for them, a veritable buffet of turbo-engine deals to be chosen from, and session result simulation like you've never experienced before because I wrote a custom thing to do it for me.

I invite those who wish to play to select a team, below!

Teams may go into debt. Your lending limit is your starting budget. Any team that is in-debt to more than the amount of their budget at the start of the season (a starting budget of £7,500,000 means you may borrow as much as £-7,500,000) will be declared bankrupt and immediately disqualified from the series.

Teams are ordered by finishing position in 1983 constructor's championship.

Below each team are the performance-related statistics of your current car. With regards to 'Drag', higher percentages mean more aerodynamic drag, lower percentages mean less drag. Reliability refers to the mechanical parts of the car, such as the front and rear suspension, gearbox, steering assembly, etc.

Currently, there is a minimum weight limit of 540kg.

Teams

Ferrari



Nationality: Italian
Starting budget: £14,315,000
Remaining budget: £6,549,828
Manufacturer/Independent: Manufacturer
Entry size: Three cars
Manager: DemocalypseNow

Drivers: Alain Prost, Elio de Angelis, Didier Pironi
Sponsors: Topolino, DENIM, SAIMA
Engine: Ferrari 031 - Works
Tyres: Michelin
Fuel: Agip

126C4
Downforce: 74%
Drag: 28%
Mechanical Grip: 72%
Weight: 564kg
Reliability: 69%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £2,160,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 14

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Renault



Nationality: French
Starting budget: £13,775,000
Remaining budget: £21,861,317
Manufacturer/Independent: Manufacturer
Entry size: Two cars
Manager: peteroli34

Drivers: Niki Lauda, Michele Alboreto
Sponsors: Gitanes, Comtesse du barry, Newsweek
Engine: Renault EF4 – Works
Tyres: Michelin
Fuel: Elf

RE50
Downforce: 49%
Drag: 48%
Mechanical Grip: 55%
Weight: 540kg
Reliability: 46%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £720,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 9

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Nordica Brabham Renault



Nationality: British
Starting budget: £10,691,313
Remaining budget: £24,591,313
Manufacturer/Independent: Independent
Entry size: Two cars
Manager: Ice1Racing

Drivers: Patrick Tambay, Riccardo Patrese
Sponsors: Nordica, Longines, Olivetti, Segafrido Zanetti
Engine: Renault EF4 – Semi Works
Tyres: Michelin
Fuel: Elf

BT53
Downforce: 76%
Drag: 16%
Mechanical Grip: 82%
Weight: 545kg
Reliability: 57%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £920,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 17

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Benetton Williams Porsche



Nationality: British
Starting budget: £11,170,000
Remaining budget: £1,438,356
Manufacturer/Independent: Independent
Entry size: Two cars
Manager: Collieafc

Drivers: Ayrton Senna, Steffan Bellof
Sponsors: Benetton, Diavia, sTp, Kelémata
Engine: Porsche TTEPO1 – Works
Tyres: Goodyear
Fuel: Elf

FW09
Downforce: 49%
Drag: 44%
Mechanical Grip: 60%
Weight: 558kg
Reliability: 60%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £1,440,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 22

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Marlboro McLaren Honda



Nationality: British
Starting budget: £10,235,000
Remaining budget: £839,272
Manufacturer/Independent: Independent
Entry size: Two cars
Manager: FantometteBR

Drivers: Nelson Piquet, René Arnoux
Sponsors: Marlboro, FACOM, Magirus, Panasonic
Engine: Honda RA164E – Semi-Works
Tyres: Michelin
Fuel: Mobil

MP4/2
Downforce: 98%
Drag: 6%
Mechanical Grip: 95%
Weight: 540kg
Reliability: 93%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £1,200,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 8

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John Player Special Alfa Romeo



Nationality: Italian
Starting budget: £9,300,000
Remaining budget: £6,441,312
Manufacturer/Independent: Independent
Entry size: Two cars
Manager: Normal32

Drivers: Desiré Wilson, Pierluigi Martini
Sponsors: John Player Special
Engine: Alfa Romeo 890T – Works
Tyres: Goodyear
Fuel: Agip

184T
Downforce: 83%
Drag: 27%
Mechanical Grip: 94%
Weight: 550kg
Reliability: 48%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £1,200,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 4

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Parmalat Tyrrell Renault



Nationality: British
Starting budget: £8,050,000
Remaining budget: £6,493,533
Manufacturer/Independent: Independent
Entry size: Two cars
Manager: V8fan12

Drivers: Eddie Cheever, Derek Warwick
Sponsors: Parmalat, EniChem, Maredo
Engine: Renault EF4 – Customer
Tyres: Goodyear
Fuel: Elf

012
Downforce: 83%
Drag: 28%
Mechanical Grip: 85%
Weight: 540kg
Reliability: 86%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £1,160,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 9

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Candy Lotus Renault



Nationality: British
Starting budget: £7,625,000
Remaining budget: £1,413,093
Manufacturer/Independent: Independent
Entry size: Two cars
Manager: novitopoli

Drivers: Nigel Mansell, Martin Brundle
Sponsors: Candy, ICI Tactel, Marlboro
Engine: Renault EF4B - Works
Tyres: Goodyear
Fuel: Shell

95T
Downforce: 92%
Drag: 12%
Mechanical Grip: 86%
Weight: 540kg
Reliability: 84%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £1,280,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 17

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Skoal Bandit Toleman Ford



Nationality: British
Starting budget: £5,965,000
Remaining budget: £22,953,348
Manufacturer/Independent: Independent
Entry size: Two cars
Manager: Dexter249

Drivers: Thierry Boutsen, Alan Jones
Sponsors: Skoal Bandit, Unipart, Castrol, Ferodo
Engine: Ford Cosworth DFV – Customer
Tyres: Goodyear
Fuel: Castrol

TG184
Downforce: 61%
Drag: 54%
Mechanical Grip: 52%
Weight: 540kg
Reliability: 46%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £360,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 7

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Saudia Arrows BMW



Nationality: British
Starting budget: £4,990,000
Remaining budget: £2,444,424
Manufacturer/Independent: Independent
Entry size: Two cars
Manager: This Could Be You

Drivers: Alessandro Nannini, Keke Rosberg
Sponsors: Saudia, SYDEXPO
Engine: BMW M12/13 – Customer
Tyres: Pirelli
Fuel: Shell

A7
Downforce: 54%
Drag: 43%
Mechanical Grip: 49%
Weight: 540kg
Reliability: 56%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £1,000,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 10

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Ligier BMW



Nationality: French
Starting budget: £4,435,000
Remaining budget: £596,204
Manufacturer/Independent: Independent
Entry size: Two cars
Manager: This

Drivers: Manfred Winkelhock, Chico Serra
Sponsors: Milde Sorte, Steinbock, Rizla, Europcar
Engine: BMW M12/13 – Works
Tyres: Pirelli
Fuel: Shell

JS23
Downforce: 53%
Drag: 62%
Mechanical Grip: 46%
Weight: 540kg
Reliability: 61%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £920,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 4

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Spirit Ford



Nationality: British
Starting budget: £2,830,000
Remaining budget: £7,961,196
Manufacturer/Independent: Independent
Entry size: One car
Manager: tommykl

Drivers: Philippe Streiff
Sponsors: Koni, FUJI TV, Olympus
Engine: Ford Cosworth DFY – Works
Tyres: Pirelli
Fuel: Castrol

101
Downforce: 40%
Drag: 70%
Mechanical Grip: 46%
Weight: 545kg Note: minimum weight limit of 545kg, due to carrying onboard camera.
Reliability: 52%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £580,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 9


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ATS BMW



Nationality: German
Starting budget: £1,995,000
Remaining budget: £988,904
Manufacturer/Independent: Manufacturer
Entry size: Two cars
Manager: RedEyes504

Drivers: John Watson, Stefan Johansson
Sponsors: Würth, Parfums Victor, DeLonghi
Engine: BMW M12/13 – Semi-Works
Tyres: Goodyear
Fuel: Mobil

D7
Downforce: 32%
Drag: 34%
Mechanical Grip: 22%
Weight: 564kg
Reliability: 51%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £1,000,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 7

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Osella Alfa Romeo



Nationality: Italian
Starting budget: £1,155,000
Remaining budget: £26,316
Manufacturer/Independent: Independent
Entry size: Two cars
Manager: TheFlyingCaterham

Drivers: Piercarlo Ghinzani, Mauro Baldi
Sponsors: Agip, Marilena, Copec
Engine: Alfa Romeo 890T – Customer
Tyres: Pirelli
Fuel: Agip

FA1F
Downforce: 37%
Drag: 42%
Mechanical Grip: 51%
Weight: 557kg
Reliability: 50%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £760,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 8

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RAM Ford



Nationality: British
Starting budget: £885,000
Remaining budget: £700,032
Manufacturer/Independent: Independent
Entry size: One car
Manager: andrew

Drivers: Roberto Guerrero, Guido Daccò
Sponsors: Pernod, Antar
Engine: Ford Cosworth DFV – Customer
Tyres: Pirelli
Fuel: Valvoline

02
Downforce: 35%
Drag: 88%
Mechanical Grip: 11%
Weight: 540kg
Reliability: 25%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £480,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 8

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Minardi Alfa Romeo



Nationality: Italian
Starting budget: £3,110,500
Remaining budget: £4,924,391
Manufacturer/Independent: Independent
Entry size: Two cars
Manager: Aislabie

Drivers: Andrea de Cesaris, Corrado Fabi
Sponsors: Sergio Tacchini, Resta, Carvico
Engine: Alfa Romeo 890T – Customer
Tyres: Pirelli
Fuel: Valvoline

M184
Downforce: 13%
Drag: 92%
Mechanical Grip: 4%
Weight: 577kg
Reliability: 16%
Next D&T Opportunity cost: £680,000

D&T Opportunities spent on 1985 car: 30

Driver's Championship
1. Nelson Piquet (70 points)
2. René Arnoux (67 points)
3. Nigel Mansell (42 points)
4. Patrick Tambay (36 points)
5. Alain Prost (26 points)
6. Eddie Cheever (24 points)
7. Ricardo Patrese (23 points)
8. Desiré Wilson (23 points)
9. Elio de Angelis (19 points)
10. Martin Brundle (16 points)
11. Derek Warwick (10 points)
12. Stefan Johansson (7 points)
13. Steffan Bellof (7 points)
14. Pierluigi Martini (5 points)
15. John Watson (5 points)
16. Michele Alboreto (4 points)
17. Niki Lauda (4 points)
18. Alessandro Nannini (3 points)
19. Ayrton Senna (3 points)
20. Didier Pironi (1.5 points)
21. Piercarlo Ghinzani (1 point)
22. Thierry Boutsen (1 point)
23. Keke Rosberg (1 point)


Constructor's Championship
1. McLaren (137 points)
2. Brabham (59 points)
3. Lotus (58 points)
4. Ferrari (46.5 points)
5. Tyrrell (34 points)
6. Alfa Romeo (28 points)
7. ATS (12 points)
8. Williams (10 points)
9. Renault (8 points)
10. Arrows (4 points)
11. Osella (1 point)
12. Toleman (1 point)


Order of Staged Contract Signing
Drivers – set one (done)
Sponsors – set one (done)
Engines – set one (done)
Tyre Suppliers & Fuel Suppliers (done)
Drivers – set two (done)
Sponsors – set two (done)
Engines – set two (done)


Race Calendar
Rnd. 1
Event: Brazilian Grand Prix
Circuit: Jacarepaguá
Date: 25 March 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

2 D&T opportunities between races

Rnd. 2
Event: South African Grand Prix
Circuit: Kyalami
Date: 07 April 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

3 D&T opportunities between races

Rnd. 3
Event: Belgian Grand Prix
Circuit: Zolder
Date: 29 April 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

1 D&T opportunity between races

Rnd. 4
Event: San Marino Grand Prix
Circuit: Imola
Date: 06 May 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

FOCA TV money distribution - first quarter

2 D&T opportunities between races

Rnd. 5
Event: French Grand Prix
Circuit: Dijon
Date: 20 May 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

2 D&T opportunities between races

Rnd. 6
Event: Monaco Grand Prix
Circuit: Monaco
Date: 03 June 1984
Entry Limit: 20 cars

2 D&T opportunities between races

Rnd. 7
Event: Canadian Grand Prix
Circuit: Circuit Gilles Villeneuve
Date: 17 June 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

1 D&T opportunity between races

Rnd. 8
Event: Detroit Grand Prix
Circuit: Detroit
Date: 24 June 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

FOCA TV money distribution - second quarter

2 D&T opportunities between races

Rnd. 9
Event: Dallas Grand Prix
Circuit: Dallas
Date: 08 July 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

2 D&T opportunities between races

Rnd. 10
Event: British Grand Prix
Circuit: Brands Hatch
Date: 22 July 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

2 D&T opportunities between races

Rnd. 11
Event: German Grand Prix
Circuit: Hockenheimring
Date: 05 August 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

2 D&T opportunities between races

Rnd. 12
Event: Austrian Grand Prix
Circuit: Österreichring
Date: 19 August 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

FOCA TV money distribution - third quarter

1 D&T opportunity between races

Rnd. 13
Event: Dutch Grand Prix
Circuit: Zandvoort
Date: 26 August 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

2 D&T opportunities between races

Rnd. 14
Event: Italian Grand Prix
Circuit: Monza
Date: 09 September 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

4 D&T opportunities between races

Rnd. 15
Event: New York Grand Prix
Circuit: Flushing Meadows
Date: 07 October 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

2 D&T opportunities between races

Rnd. 16
Event: Portuguese Grand Prix
Circuit: Estoril
Date: 21 October 1984
Entry Limit: 26 cars

FOCA TV money distribution - fourth quarter

10 D&T opportunities in winter off-season, before start of next year


D&T (Development & Test) Opportunities
D&T (Development & Test) opportunities are where you upgrade your current car, design your next car, and perform other miscellaneous tasks.

All teams may perform as many development & testing opportunities as there are weeks between events (a total of forty opportunities; the winter break between seasons having been halved for gameplay balance-reasons). Refer to the calendar at the start of the thread for a listing of where D&T opportunities fall within the season schedule.


What D&T opportunities are there?


Design of new car
At any point before the first race of the next season, you may begin developing your new car. Once the first race of the next season begins, this new car becomes your current car, and the cycle repeats. Utilise this D&T opportunity over-and-over to improve the final quality of your new car; the more times you do it, the better you car for next year will be. For next year's car, you need not mention, nor cannot focus on, specific areas - it is a randomised process.

Development of current car
You may choose an area of focus for testing and development of your current car, which will result in an appropriate improvement. Possible directions of current car development:

• Increase downforce
• Reduce drag
• Increase mechanical grip
• Reduce weight
• Increase reliability

Development of works and semi-works engine
This opportunity is only available to teams with works or semi-works engine deals. Performing this D&T opportunity will improve your engine in the direction of development specified for the engine; the direction of each engine's development can be found below the calendar at the start of the thread. Works team are free to change the direction of their engine's development any time they like; semi-works teams have no say in the direction of development of their engine.

Driver development
Nominate one of your drivers to undergo an intensive session with a driver trainer, working on their psychology and fitness, with a detailed analysis of their driving technique, style and habits in the cockpit, to look for improvements. The result will be a small, permanent improvement in your driver's performance.

Driver shoot-out
Select up-to six drivers, either from your team or unsigned on the market, and have them complete a test day in your identically-prepared car(s). You will receive the lap time results from the session, to aid comparison of their skills.

Team expansion – from one car to two cars, or from two cars to three cars
Currently, one, two and three-car teams are legal. If you are a one-car team who wish to begin entering two cars per race, or a two-car team who wish to begin entering three cars per race, this D&T opportunity is a prerequisite. The time and cost is used for preparation, and the acquisition of required parts, equipment, logistics, etc. for the additional car. Attempting to enter an additional car into a race without first utilising this D&T opportunity will result in Mr Ecclestone personally standing in front of your car with his arms folded, preventing it from leaving its pit garage.

Team contraction - from three cars to two cars, or from two cars to one car
If you wish to reduce the size of your entry, use this D&T opportunity to do so. The cost of the D&T opportunity is waived entirely, offering no timing advantage or disadvantage. You will be credited an amount composited from the value of your current car; the surplus car and its running gear is auctioned and/or liquidated off. For reference, below are two examples of the estimated income a team would be provided with, upon contracting the size of their team:

• Chassis specification of 20% Downforce, 80% Drag, 20% Mechanical Grip, 590kg Weight (significantly overweight), 20% Reliability = credit of £810,000.
• Chassis specification of 80% Downforce, 20% Drag, 80% Mechanical Grip, 540kg Weight (minimum legal weight), 80% Reliability = credit of £3,260,000.

Contracting your team will never result in a team losing money on the deal, regardless of how poor or outdated your current car may be.


Re-use of Previous Season's Chassis
Re-use of your 1984 car is legal for 1985.

Using a legacy chassis will result in an automatic halving of its performance ratings (with the exception of weight), and performance improvability. For example:


VeryGoodExampleChassis:
If the above car were to be re-used (without any further development) in 1986, it would look like this:

NotVeryGoodExampleChassis:
If the above car were to be re-used (without any further development) in 1986, it would look like this:

In the event that a legacy car is legally underweight, ballast will automatically be added in such a way that it has an entirely neutral effect on the chassis (other than its weight).

Note that values which exceed the normally-defined bounds (legacy chassis drag values can go over 100%, whereas a new chassis - no matter how under-developed - will never have more than 100% drag) will be adhered to, in terms of both on-track performance, and improvability.

Where division results in a floating-point number, this amount will be rounded-up to the nearest integer.


Engine Development
Possible directions of engine development:

• Increase horsepower
• Reduce weight
• Increase reliability

Ferrari 031
Nationality: Italian
1.5L V6 Turbocharged
731HP, 148kg, 55% Reliability
Works team: Ferrari
Semi Works team(s): (None)
Direction of engine's development: Reduce weight

Alfa Romeo 890T
Nationality: Italian
1.5L V8 Turbocharged
710HP, 146kg, 55% Reliability
Works team: Alfa Romeo
Semi Works team(s): (None)
Direction of engine's development: Increase horsepower

Renault EF4
Nationality: French
1.5L V6 Turbocharged
700HP, 171kg, 80% Reliability
Works team: Renault
Semi Works team(s): Brabham
Direction of engine's development: Reduce weight

Renault EF4B
Nationality: French
1.5L V6 Turbocharged
750HP, 180kg, 60% Reliability
Works team: Lotus
Semi Works team(s): (None)
Direction of engine's development: Increase reliability

Porsche TTEPO1
Nationality: German
1.5L V6 Turbocharged
700HP, 142kg, 85% Reliability
Works team: Williams
Semi Works team(s): (None)
Direction of engine's development: Reduce weight

Honda RA164E
Nationality: Japanese
1.5L V6 Turbocharged
650HP, 148kg, 50% Reliability
Works team: (None; controlled by manufacturer)
Semi Works team(s): McLaren
Direction of engine's development: Increase reliability

BMW M12/13
Nationality: German
1.5L Inline 4 Turbocharged
865HP, 164kg, 57% Reliability
Works team: Ligier
Semi Works team(s): ATS
Direction of engine's development: Increase reliability

Ford Cosworth DFY
Nationality: British
3L V8 Naturally Aspirated
520HP, 139kg, 95% Reliability
Works team: Spirit
Semi Works team(s): (None)
Direction of engine's development: Increase horsepower

If its available now to pick, I do McLaren

I'd like Brabham, please!

Alfa Romeo for me.

I have very little time at the moment, but this seems like a well-planned series, so I'll go for minimal effort: Spirit it is!

I'm going to be boringly predictable and pick Ferrari. Maybe I can have them finally win something in the PMMF after all this time!

Since I cannot go with Spirit because Tommy claimed it first, I shall have a go with Osella.

This can only end well.

Renault for me please.

I'll go with Tyrrell

I'll have RAM

I'll take Arrows please.

As nobody else has, I shall take Williams

I'll take Lotus.

The beginning of my rejectful managerial jobs, TOLEMAN

I'll go with ATS

I was hoping for RAM, but will go for the other end of the spectrum and ask for Renault please.

To be honest, any team will do for me, I'd just like very much to be involved.

Ligier again, then, shall we?

Aislabie wrote:I was hoping for RAM, but will go for the other end of the spectrum and ask for Renault please.

To be honest, any team will do for me, I'd just like very much to be involved.

Dawww~. I'm very sorry to disappoint, but Renault was claimed earlier. I feel bad for excluding you and your enthusiasm, as there's no teams left.

The only team I can see logically carrying-over from 1983 would be Theodore, but Teddy Yip doesn't seem keen on the idea, so I will have to be firm and say 'No'.

If it's any comfort, I've heard rumours there are as many as 3 (three!) new teams entering next year, which you would be first in the queue to pick from. Besides, as this is my first time running a virtual championship, it'll probably be a disaster, and all the bugs will be worked out for '85...

Thank you all for your prompt interest~!

Allow me to keep your thirst temporarily satiated with the 1984 season calendar, now posted at the start of the thread.

But first, all eyes on... the manufacturer-backed team's incomes for the season!

I'd like to make it clear to those that have chosen to manage manufacturer-backed teams with matching works engines (Renault and Ferrari), that I will not 'bound' you to those engines. However, for those managers, failing to choose the matching works engine deal for your team will result in your manufacturer stripping you of the budget they provide you with each season, the loss of the manufacturer's name as your team name, as well as other possible (likely political) ramifications down the line.

Teams which are supported by a manufacturer will receive financial support in the form of additional income from their parent company. These are non-negotiable, and are subject to change each season. I have added these to your remaining budgets at the start of the thread.

Some (or in this case, all) parent manufacturers do not permit signing of a team (or, failing that, a supplementary) sponsor. This is due to the manufacturer competing in the sport for the purpose of advertising themselves, thus wishing to take up the prime sponsorship locations on the car, and feeling their financial contribution to the team is sufficient compensation.

Manufacturer Support for 1984
Ferrari
Income for season: £19,750,000
Information: May not sign a team sponsor.

Renault
Income for season: £11,000,000
Information: May not sign a team sponsor.

ATS
Income for season: £2,035,000
Information: Must sign one-less supplementary sponsor.

BioBiro wrote:

Aislabie wrote:I was hoping for RAM, but will go for the other end of the spectrum and ask for Renault please.

To be honest, any team will do for me, I'd just like very much to be involved.

Dawww~. I'm very sorry to disappoint, but Renault was claimed earlier. I feel bad for excluding you and your enthusiasm, as there's no teams left.

The only team I can see logically carrying-over from 1983 would be Theodore, but Teddy Yip doesn't seem keen on the idea, so I will have to be firm and say 'No'.

If it's any comfort, I've heard rumours there are as many as 3 (three!) new teams entering next year, which you would be first in the queue to pick from. Besides, as this is my first time running a virtual championship, it'll probably be a disaster, and all the bugs will be worked out for '85...

No worries; just stick me on the waiting list and I'll take whatever presents itself.

Aislabie wrote:

BioBiro wrote:

Aislabie wrote:I was hoping for RAM, but will go for the other end of the spectrum and ask for Renault please.

To be honest, any team will do for me, I'd just like very much to be involved.

Dawww~. I'm very sorry to disappoint, but Renault was claimed earlier. I feel bad for excluding you and your enthusiasm, as there's no teams left.

The only team I can see logically carrying-over from 1983 would be Theodore, but Teddy Yip doesn't seem keen on the idea, so I will have to be firm and say 'No'.

If it's any comfort, I've heard rumours there are as many as 3 (three!) new teams entering next year, which you would be first in the queue to pick from. Besides, as this is my first time running a virtual championship, it'll probably be a disaster, and all the bugs will be worked out for '85...

No worries; just stick me on the waiting list and I'll take whatever presents itself.

In theory, you got shotgun to run the legend that is Minardi I suppose the other teams would be Zakspeed and Beatrice-Haas.

This wrote:

Aislabie wrote:No worries; just stick me on the waiting list and I'll take whatever presents itself.

In theory, you got shotgun to run the legend that is Minardi I suppose the other teams would be Zakspeed and Beatrice-Haas.

Actually, that's not a bad shout. Would it be possible to promote Minardi a year early? They'd be off the back of four seasons' relative success in European Formula Two, and with that series in decline it would make sense to move to Formula One (as they do a year later)

Erm... I hate to point it out, but ATS isn't a manufacturer team- you're thinking of the 1960s Italian ATS run by ex-Ferrari engineers, not the 1970/80s ATS sponsored by the German wheel company and ran by Gunther Schmid, which is this one.

Also, Minardi in theory could have competed in 1984, as they built a V8-powered M184 chassis, but lost their engine deal, so Minardi in this season would not be a complete anachronism if you decide to add them.

May I also go on the waiting list

This Could Be You wrote:Erm... I hate to point it out, but ATS isn't a manufacturer team- you're thinking of the 1960s Italian ATS run by ex-Ferrari engineers, not the 1970/80s ATS sponsored by the German wheel company and ran by Gunther Schmid, which is this one.

In the context of this virtual series, I use the term 'Manufacturer' for scope beyond automobile manufacture.

I'm not particularly knowledgeable about Schmid's ATS team, but AFAIK he entered Formula One to continue promoting his manufacturing concern. The ATS D7 that was run in 1984 has significant ATS-brand sponsorship on its livery.

This Could Be You wrote:Also, Minardi in theory could have competed in 1984, as they built a V8-powered M184 chassis, but lost their engine deal, so Minardi in this season would not be a complete anachronism if you decide to add them.

I had no idea Minardi had attempted entry in 1984, so thank you for mentioning this - as a result of your post I've decided to include Minardi in this series.

Ice1Racing wrote:May I also go on the waiting list

You have been added; thank you for your interest! With Aislabie being found a home, your are top of the queue!

Aislabie wrote:Would it be possible to promote Minardi a year early?

Thanks to your determination to get involved, and the Arrows team's interest in securing themselves another rival with a chance of DNQ-ing them, Minardi is now part of this virtual series, with you managing them! Congratulations. The posts at the beginning of this thread have been updated to reflect this.

I had a chat with a few motorsport journalists earlier today, who mentioned that your M184 design is not even close to being properly developed. They seemed to be of the opinion that, with frequent development and testing opportunities undertaken, your single car-entry would likely only be even remotely competitive by the Italian Grand Prix in September.

BioBiro wrote:

Aislabie wrote:Would it be possible to promote Minardi a year early?

Thanks to your determination to get involved, and the Arrows team's interest in securing themselves another rival with a chance of DNQ-ing them, Minardi is now part of this virtual series, with you managing them! Congratulations. The posts at the beginning of this thread have been updated to reflect this.

I had a chat with a few motorsport journalists earlier today, who mentioned that your M184 design is not even close to being properly developed. They seemed to be of the opinion that, with frequent development and testing opportunities undertaken, your single car-entry would likely only be even remotely competitive by the Italian Grand Prix in September.

That's fine with me; it's all about the long-term project here at Minardi

Before we move on to the fun of signings, I've added the data (which measures your performance and reliability) for each team's current car to the top of the thread. I hope this is of some help to you all.

I am assuming this series allows Pay Drivers, otherwise RAM won't be lasting for too long.

^ Speaking of which!...

Driver Signing – Set One (Of Two)
This is the first of two sets of drivers available on the market. The second set is of identical size. You are not required to sign any drivers at this stage. You may fill none, some or all of your driver vacancies, if you wish.

To attempt signing of a driver, simply state the driver's name. The salary or sponsorship is what it is; there is no element of negotiation to contract signing, here.

An example of signing drivers:

This virtual series does not feature the concept of 'team orders' (i.e. Driver 1 and Driver 2). Nonetheless, if you wish to state which cars you intend to place your drivers in, feel free to do so.


Below is an incomplete, categorised list of drivers active on the open-wheel scene. By far the majority of these drivers have the capability to handle a Formula One car at racing speed, but a few of the younger and/or less experienced drivers may struggle.

Pay drivers are indicated by red font, and brackets surrounding their salaries.

When I receive a wishlist of drivers to sign - or a statement indicating they do not wish to sign any drivers at this stage - from every team, I will post the results. Have fun!


Drivers active on the Formula One scene
Thierry Boutsen, Nationality: Belgian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £1,800,000
Jonathan Palmer, Nationality: British, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£250,000)
Jean-Louis Schlesser, Nationality: French, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £190,000
Chico Serra, Nationality: Brazilian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£825,000)
Philippe Streiff, Nationality: French, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£310,000)
John Watson, Nationality: British, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £2,200,000
Nelson Piquet, Nationality: Brazilian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £5,400,000
Riccardo Patrese, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £975,000
Elio de Angelis, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £1,800,000
Danny Sullivan, Nationality: United States, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £225,000
Manfred Winkelhock, Nationality: West German, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £190,000
Eliseo Salazar, Nationality: Chilean, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£500,000)
Ayrton Senna, Nationality: Brazilian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £200,000
Michele Alboreto, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £2,150,000
Kenny Acheson, Nationality: British, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £50,000
Roberto Guerrero, Nationality: Columbian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£450,000)
Jacques Villeneuve, Sr., Nationality: Canadian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £320,000
Andrea de Cesaris, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£1,800,000)
Piercarlo Ghinzani, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£340,000)
Mike Thackwell, Nationality: New Zealand, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £75,000
François Hesnault, Nationality: French, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £370,000
René Arnoux, Nationality: French, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £1,550,000
Martin Brundle, Nationality: British, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £160,000

All entrants from European Formula 2 1983
Kazuyoshi Hoshino, Nationality: Japanese, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£140,000)
Beat Jans, Nationality: Swiss, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £90,000
Richard Dallest, Nationality: French, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£160,000)
Alessandro Nannini, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £245,000
Guido Daccò, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£430,000)
Rolf Biland, Nationality: Swiss, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£40,000)
Enrique Mansilla, Nationality: Argentinian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£280,000)
Michel Ferté, Nationality: French, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£450,000)
Beppe Gabbiani, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£650,000)
Emilio de Villota, Nationality: Spanish, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£670,000)
Roberto Del Castello, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £255,000
Fredy Lienhard, Nationality: Swiss, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£560,000)
Lamberto Leoni, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£235,000)
Paolo Barilla, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£290,000)
Pierre Petit, Nationality: French, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £225,000

Top finishers-only from European Formula 3 1983
Philippe Huart, Nationality: French, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£175,000)
Jose-Luis Llobell, Nationality: Spanish, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£75,000)
Cathy Mulle, Nationality: French, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£145,000)
Max Busslinger, Nationality: Swiss, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£160,000)
Enrique Benamo, Nationality: Argentinian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£90,000)
Oscar Pedersoli, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£145,000)
Emanuele Pirro, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£215,000)
Kurt Thiim, Nationality: Danish, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£30,000)
Roberto Ravaglia, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£120,000)
Carlos Abella, Nationality: Spanish, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£150,000)
John Nielsen, Nationality: Danish, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£35,000)
Bernard Santal, Nationality: Swiss, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£45,000)
James Weaver, Nationality: British, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£200,000)
Ruggero Melgrati, Nationality: Italian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£5,000)

Top finishers-only from British Formula 3 1983
Mario Hytten, Nationality: Swiss, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£54,000)
Allen Berg, Nationality: Canadian, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£163,000)

Drivers from Indycar 1983 with interest in moving (in some cases, back) to Formula One
Desiré Wilson, Nationality: South African, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £325,000
Chris Kneifel, Nationality: United States, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£80,000)
Kevin Cogan, Nationality: United States, Salary/Sponsorship for season: £290,000

Top finishers-only from Formula Atlantic 1983
Josele Garza, Nationality: Mexican, Salary/Sponsorship for season: (£45,000)

Brabham Signing Phase One

Driver 1:
enquiries will be made during phase two

Driver 2:
Elio de Angelis - £1.8M
Riccardo Patrese - £975k
Thierry Boutsen - £1.8M

Le offerte di Alfa Romeo (SUBJECT TO CHANGE)

Driver 1:

For Phase Two.

Driver 2:

Desire Wilson
Kevin Cogan
Chris Kneifel

Tyrrell's offers:

"First" Driver
Wait for Phase Two

"Second" Driver
1. Elio de Angelis (1.8m)
2. Rene Arnoux (1.55m)
3. Riccardo Patrese (975k)

Ligier would like to sign the following drivers:
Car 1:
René Arnoux
Elio De Angelis
Thierry Boutsen
Car 2:
Andrea De Cesaris
Chico Serra
Elisio Salazar

We do not like to wait on the second phase, because everyone else is already doing that.

Driver 1
- Wait for Phase Two -

Driver 2
Riccardo Patrese (975k)
Ayrton Senna (200k)
Martin Brundle (160k)

RAM driver signings

Driver 1
Andrea de Cesaris
Roberto Guerro
Emelio de vilota

Driver 2
Chico Serra
Guido Dacco
Piercarlo Ghinzani

Minardi Driver Signings:
1. Andrea de Cesaris
2. Piercarlo Ghinzani
3. Otherwise wait until Round Two

Toleman would like to sign the following drivers:
Thierry Boutsen
Ayrton Senna (Because Why the hell not!?)
Jacques Villeneuve Sr.