2018 International Procar Championship (Kyalami Complete!)

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 15 Aug 2015, 08:05

The B-Class Montpellier race has been run - you can find the results on RejectSport.

Highlights
B-Class Standings

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I still need small upgrade plans from the following manufacturer:

Triumph (pasta_maldonado)

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 16 Aug 2015, 19:15

Triumph will move to improve Aero

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 16 Aug 2015, 23:28

Change of driver for the FEAR #90 car, Steven Mackintosh will no longer drive in rounds 6 and 7 and he will be replaced by Ross Clark

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 17 Aug 2015, 00:14

The A-Class Montpellier race has been run, completing the meeting - you can find the results on RejectSport.

Highlights
A-Class Standings
Teams' Standings
Manufacturers' Standings
European Trophy Standings

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 17 Aug 2015, 01:24

Salamander wrote:The A-Class Montpellier race has been run, completing the meeting - you can find the results on RejectSport.

Highlights
A-Class Standings
Teams' Standings
Manufacturers' Standings

European Trophy Standings

The link to the video may be broken from here, since YT says that "An error occurred during validation". The video itself loads fine however if accessed manually through your channel.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 17 Aug 2015, 08:14

There, it should work fine now.

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The manufacturers on the Medium upgrade path (as well as part-time manufacturer Lada) will be getting their first upgrade soon, after the European meeting. As a reminder, your upgrade can focus on Aero, Engine, Chassis, or Consistency (boosts all minimum stats). Could the following manufacturers please let me know what their upgrade will focus on?

SEAT (HawkAussie)
Honda (CaptainGetz12)
Holden (the Masked Lapwing)
Skoda (Klon)
Subaru (FantometteBR)
Mercedes (SuperAguri)
Lada (Biscione)

SeedStriker · Post by **SeedStriker** » 17 Aug 2015, 15:09

Artesia Mass wrote

Another shuffle grid and mid-to back starting position hindered any major progress we could've done. It seems that there's not enough advantage with the improved aero.

Shinn Ramirez wrote

This random grids are killing us. Having to try to recover from the mid-back is a titanic task, and the main issue is that the aero is not giving us the edge against cars that are litteraly bricks with a powerful engine. IPC should revise that issue with the developments on the cars.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 17 Aug 2015, 15:16

Subaru will focus in Consistency, because we need it

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 17 Aug 2015, 18:05

After that race, Honda will go for an Engine upgrade. We don't want that happening again...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 17 Aug 2015, 18:12

CaptainGetz12 wrote:After that race, Honda will go for an Engine upgrade. We don't want that happening again...

Just so you know, that will only affect your performance, not reliability. Everyone's reliability is equal throughout the year.

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 17 Aug 2015, 18:20

Salamander wrote:
CaptainGetz12 wrote:After that race, Honda will go for an Engine upgrade. We don't want that happening again...

Just so you know, that will only affect your performance, not reliability. Everyone's reliability is equal throughout the year.

Engine is still the car's weakest point, so my choice still stands.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 17 Aug 2015, 18:21

Lada will focus on roiding the engine as much as possible.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 17 Aug 2015, 18:38

Skoda will improve the chassis.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 17 Aug 2015, 22:19

Holden will upgrade their chassis.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 19 Aug 2015, 15:28

During practice at La Colina, Ray Vance and Sandra Yoo were caught up in a pair of rather interesting incidents.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 19 Aug 2015, 15:37

Rejectsport wrote:Video: Vance aims for the moon during La Colina practise

Ray Vance, whose prime achievement this season was having the luck of the Irish by being drawn on pole for the season opener of the B Class championship at Adelaide, has made clear his ambitions for the rest of the year - he sees himself as an astronaut.

During practise for the fifth round of the season at La Colina in Spain, Vance followed the equally capable Sandra Yoo off the road. Having seen the young German driver catch some air, Vance felt compelled to one-up his main rival in the championship by starting a full-scale moon launch with his SEAT Toledo.

It was a commendable effort from the former Alpha Auto driver, who climbed several metres in the air before crashing down to earth. These cars are tough as nails, and while Vance was able to climb out of his stricken car unhurt, the same can't be said of the Toledo. The Hispania mechanics will have much work to do to get the #49 ready for the B Class race later this weekend.

Watch video footage of the spectacular incident here.

Post by **Ataxia** » 19 Aug 2015, 16:04

Pavel Komarek wrote:We have to agree with Ramirez here...Jiri is driving fantastically and the guys in the garage have really got the hang of the Skoda Superb. However, there's only so much we can do. We're making the most of the positions on the grid, but it's not fair that it's in the hands of a man drawing numbers from a hat.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 19 Aug 2015, 17:31

Pavel Komarek wrote:We have to agree with Ramirez here...Jiri is driving fantastically and the guys in the garage have really got the hang of the Skoda Superb. However, there's only so much we can do. We're making the most of the positions on the grid, but it's not fair that it's in the hands of a man drawing numbers from a hat.

Danilo Delvecchio wrote:I 'ave to agree with Pavel 'ere. Is'a ridiculous situation, my boy and 'is boy could have a titanic battle for the championship, but it'sa tempered by this stupid drawing system. Antonio has been'a screwed by this system. Every weekend, it'sa starting from the back of the grid when he deserves on merit to be at the front! Molto stupido....

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 19 Aug 2015, 20:49

Following the concerns aired recently, I have decided to implement a poll allowing you all to specify whether or not you want to change the current grid system to something else or not. To allow everyone plenty of time, this poll will be running for a week, and any changes immediately implemented as a result will come into effect for the European meeting.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 19 Aug 2015, 20:54

Salamander wrote:Following the concerns aired recently, I have decided to implement a poll allowing you all to specify whether or not you want to change the current grid system to something else or not. To allow everyone plenty of time, this poll will be running for a week, and any changes immediately implemented as a result will come into effect for the European meeting.

I don't want to impose a strict qualifying like A Class to the support class, as the randomisation does bring something. But it started to hurt a bit that a quality driver like Delvecchio was consigned to a string of crap results because the draw always put him at the back.

My suggestion therefore is a hybrid of the two. A qualifying session creats a set of three brackets; 1-14, 15-28, 29-Last. The quali results set who ends up in each bracket, and then the order within each bracket is randomised. Ergo, good drivers can at least ensure they don't end up dead last by putting in a decent time, but equally WINSLOL can be mitigated by making sure no-one can simply sweep up front row starts and marching to easy wins.

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 20 Aug 2015, 12:36

My suggestion is radical and the grid should be the reverse of the finishing order of the last race, so first retiree is on pole and the race winner is at the nicer side of the grid in last. In the event of a new driver coming in a replacement then they should be in the grid slot the other driver would have been in.

First race of the sesason should be the reverse ofder of practice.

novitopoli · Post by **novitopoli** » 20 Aug 2015, 20:56

Yes, immediately. Either that or using the practice session as qualifying.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 20 Aug 2015, 22:57

Not a fan of a complete reverse grid idea do we really want Ray Vance starting on pole every-other race.
I quite like Bisciones idea of random sections of the grid still enables some unpredictability but still allows the front runners to be fighting at the front of the pack

HawkAussie · Post by **HawkAussie** » 21 Aug 2015, 00:08

We are going to boost Consistency to get us somewhere for this season.

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 21 Aug 2015, 01:14

Biscione wrote:
Salamander wrote:Following the concerns aired recently, I have decided to implement a poll allowing you all to specify whether or not you want to change the current grid system to something else or not. To allow everyone plenty of time, this poll will be running for a week, and any changes immediately implemented as a result will come into effect for the European meeting.

I don't want to impose a strict qualifying like A Class to the support class, as the randomisation does bring something. But it started to hurt a bit that a quality driver like Delvecchio was consigned to a string of crap results because the draw always put him at the back.

My suggestion therefore is a hybrid of the two. A qualifying session creats a set of three brackets; 1-14, 15-28, 29-Last. The quali results set who ends up in each bracket, and then the order within each bracket is randomised. Ergo, good drivers can at least ensure they don't end up dead last by putting in a decent time, but equally WINSLOL can be mitigated by making sure no-one can simply sweep up front row starts and marching to easy wins.

I do like this idea. I'll cast my vote for this layout.

Gonzalez · Post by **Gonzalez** » 21 Aug 2015, 09:31

I do partially agree on this however if that is the case, i would suggest putting in quali ratings on all the teams cars so that the quali behave more in a realistic manner. That way so that there are no ups and downs.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 21 Aug 2015, 10:08

Gonzalez wrote:I do partially agree on this however if that is the case, i would suggest putting in quali ratings on all the teams cars so that the quali behave more in a realistic manner. That way so that there are no ups and downs.

There is no qualifying as it is. All the cars have qualifying ratings - the way NR2003 is, it's impossible for there not to be qualifying ratings.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 21 Aug 2015, 13:20

The B-Class La Colina race has been run - you can find the results on RejectSport.

Highlights
B-Class Standings

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I still need small upgrade plans from the following manufacturer:

Mercedes (SuperAguri)

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 21 Aug 2015, 22:43

And Sandra Yoo takes the award for the silliest crash of the season.

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 22 Aug 2015, 07:51

My drivers both finished in the top 5?

Gonzalez · Post by **Gonzalez** » 22 Aug 2015, 09:21

Alex Bautista wrote:
Congratulations to both Mediterranean Motorsport cars for finishing in the top 10 for the first time. Our pace for this race has been decent and we are hoping to try and repeat it in the forthcoming races. It's great to know that we did it in Spain, our team's home country.

novitopoli · Post by **novitopoli** » 22 Aug 2015, 09:58

That's not quite where we wanted to be, we seem to be losing ground to the other teams as the championship goes by.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 22 Aug 2015, 10:09

novitopoli wrote:That's not quite where we wanted to be, we seem to be losing ground to the other teams as the championship goes by.

Look at the driving by Guly? He gained 13 positions during the course of the race. He can't do much better than a lower points finish if the draw puts him in the final third of the grid. Even Dinella gained 9 places during the race, and he's an idiot!

Post by **Ataxia** » 22 Aug 2015, 10:18

Another low-placed start for Jiri...*sigh*

novitopoli · Post by **novitopoli** » 22 Aug 2015, 10:31

Biscione wrote:
novitopoli wrote:That's not quite where we wanted to be, we seem to be losing ground to the other teams as the championship goes by.

Look at the driving by Guly? He gained 13 positions during the course of the race. He can't do much better than a lower points finish if the draw puts him in the final third of the grid. Even Dinella gained 9 places during the race, and he's an idiot!

My bad, I oversaw the "qualifying" draw (which still doesn't make any sense) and just took a quick look at the results

Still, I hoped we would have been at least able to post the fastest lap (as Guly already did in a similar situation), but there always were slower cars he needed to overtake. That said, Guly's driving today was superb.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 22 Aug 2015, 10:45

novitopoli wrote:My bad, I oversaw the "qualifying" draw (which still doesn't make any sense)

It's random. Not sure what else there is to explain about it.

That said, this will be the last race using this system. I will likely use Biscione's proposed system, unless there is significant opposition to it.

novitopoli · Post by **novitopoli** » 22 Aug 2015, 10:55

Salamander wrote:
novitopoli wrote:My bad, I oversaw the "qualifying" draw (which still doesn't make any sense)

It's random. Not sure what else there is to explain about it.

Yeah, the draw itself makes sense! What didn't make sense to me was the purpose of a completely randomized system in the first place

That said, I like Biscione's proposal.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 22 Aug 2015, 13:46

Well, B-Class was entirely an afterthought. I never expected it to be as big or serious as it's become.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 24 Aug 2015, 00:14

The A-Class La Colina race has been run, completing the meeting - you can find the results on RejectSport.

Highlights
A-Class Standings
Teams' Standings
Manufacturers' Standings
European Trophy Standings

HawkAussie · Post by **HawkAussie** » 24 Aug 2015, 00:45

RejectSport wrote:Kiwi Racing close to withdrawing
With the bad results continuing for Kiwi Racing, the team is in absolute meltdown with both Jordan and Medina-Márquez close to withdrawing themselves from competing for Kiwi Racing. This comes from the recent bad results with 30th being the best result for the whole season.

Carl Jordan is in discussion with a couple of teams in hope of a possible transfer back to the B-Class. While for Medina-Márquez, he is holding off for now with the possible hope of improvement from the next race in Rockingham which is in two weeks time.

This basically means that Carl Jordan is ready for offers to join another team.

Should the chassis system be changed?