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pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 29 Oct 2014, 00:20

SAI bid £600 each for:

Bentley 53C chassis 1
Bentley 53C chassis 2
Mercedes UM153 engine 12
Mercedes UM153 engine 13

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 29 Oct 2014, 00:29

Renzo bid £750 each for:

Bentley 53C chassis 1
Bentley 53C chassis 2
Mercedes UM153 engine 12
Mercedes UM153 engine 13

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 29 Oct 2014, 00:35

SAI bid £850 each for:

Bentley 53C chassis 1
Bentley 53C chassis 2
Mercedes UM153 engine 12
Mercedes UM153 engine 13

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 29 Oct 2014, 00:37

Renzo bid £1000 each for:

Mercedes UM153 engine 12
Mercedes UM153 engine 13

We also bid £250 each for:
Maserati 200F engine 10
Maserati AM53 chassis 7

And finally £125 bid for;
Aqua SAMC-1A engine 1

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 29 Oct 2014, 05:23

O.S.C.A. would like to buy the OSCA 154/156s package back from Renzo, to replace the chassis totalled by Taruffi, and to use the engine as a spare.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 29 Oct 2014, 05:40

Ferrari will put up our 550 chassis and engine for auction, as well as 555 chassis 3 and 555 engine 1 (both of which are damaged, but repair costs are cheaper than buying new).

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 29 Oct 2014, 11:23

Anglo-Racing Enginnering will scrap Leader LF153 chassis 2

we will also offer For Sale

Jaguar JFE-2 engine 5 in complete working order for £6,000

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 29 Oct 2014, 11:37

the Masked Lapwing wrote:Ferrari will put up our 550 chassis and engine for auction, as well as 555 chassis 3 and 555 engine 1 (both of which are damaged, but repair costs are cheaper than buying new).

I'll bid 1700 for it

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 29 Oct 2014, 12:10

Renzo and SAI have agreed to wipe out all of our bids and start over.

£200
Bentley 53C chassis 2
Mercedes UM153 engine 12
Maserati 200F engine 10
Maserati AM53 chassis 7

£75
Aqua SAMC-1A engine 1

Post by **tommykl** » 29 Oct 2014, 12:39

andrew wrote:
the Masked Lapwing wrote:Ferrari will put up our 550 chassis and engine for auction, as well as 555 chassis 3 and 555 engine 1 (both of which are damaged, but repair costs are cheaper than buying new).

I'll bid 1700 for it

£1 700 for what? You have to specify how much you're bidding for each component.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 29 Oct 2014, 12:43

Here is what RRAC are going to sell because hey, we are bankrupt.

Maserati AM53 chassis 7
Bentley 53C chassis 2
Maserati 200F engine 10
Mercedes UM153 engine 12
Mercedes UM153 engine 13

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 29 Oct 2014, 12:45

Scuderia Anglo Italia shall bid £200 for:

Mercedes UM153 engine 13
Bentley 53C chassis 1

Post by **tommykl** » 29 Oct 2014, 12:46

roblomas52 wrote:Here is what RRAC are going to sell because hey, we are bankrupt.

Maserati AM53 chassis 7
Bentley 53C chassis 2
Maserati 200F engine 10
Mercedes UM153 engine 12
Mercedes UM153 engine 13

Actually, you're not, but because you're not coming back, as you said, all the money is going to the pot anyway

So all that stuff is up for auction already. Why should you sell it when you don't gain anything from it?

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 29 Oct 2014, 13:42

tommykl wrote:
andrew wrote:
the Masked Lapwing wrote:Ferrari will put up our 550 chassis and engine for auction, as well as 555 chassis 3 and 555 engine 1 (both of which are damaged, but repair costs are cheaper than buying new).

I'll bid 1700 for it

£1 700 for what? You have to specify how much you're bidding for each component.

700 for the 550 engine and 1000 for the 550 chassis

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 29 Oct 2014, 13:44

andrew wrote:
tommykl wrote:
andrew wrote:I'll bid 1700 for it

£1 700 for what? You have to specify how much you're bidding for each component.

600 for the 550 engine and 1000 for the 550 chassis

600 + 1000 = 1700

Great #PastaMaths there.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 29 Oct 2014, 13:52

Oops. Edited it now, thak you.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 29 Oct 2014, 15:57

For sale:

OSCA 53 chassis 1 - 4000 £
OSCA 3000V8 engine 1 - 2500 £
combined package - 6000 £

Bentley Speed 3 chassis 4 - 3500 £
OSCA 3000V8 engine 4 - 2000 £
combined package - 5000 £

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 29 Oct 2014, 16:49

ENB will bid on:
-Ferrari 555 chassis 3 - 2000
-Ferrari 555 engine 1 - 2000
Jaguar JFE-2 engine 5 - 5000
OSCA 53 chassis 1 + OSCA 3000V8 engine 1 - combined package - 5000

(final edit on 18:53)
(edit: that was meant to be 17:53 of course)

Post by **tommykl** » 29 Oct 2014, 16:58

This wrote:ENB will bid on:
Jaguar JFE-2 engine 5 - 5000
OSCA 53 chassis 1 + OSCA 3000V8 engine 1 - combined package - 5000

These are up for normal sale, not auction, so it's up to peteroli34 and pi31419 to decide.

Also, pi31419 just reminded me that Redman have also pulled out of Formula One, so all their equipment will also be put on auction.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 29 Oct 2014, 17:05

SAI will bid £300 each for:

-Maserati 200F engine 5
-Maserati 200F engine 6
-Maserati 200F engine 11

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 29 Oct 2014, 19:45

tommykl wrote:
This wrote:ENB will bid on:
Jaguar JFE-2 engine 5 - 5000
OSCA 53 chassis 1 + OSCA 3000V8 engine 1 - combined package - 5000

These are up for normal sale, not auction, so it's up to peteroli34 and pi31419 to decide.

Also, pi31419 just reminded me that Redman have also pulled out of Formula One, so all their equipment will also be put on auction.

Then i cancel my OSCA-offer. I only buy cars below their value! I also bid 2000 for Ferrari 555 chassis 8 and 2000 for Ferrari 555 engine 12. I'm betting on different horses (literally, they're Ferraris) And you might want to edit my offers, i'm not going to pay 1000 more than i bidded for!
Also i bid 10, each for Maserati AM53 chassis 5, Maserati AM53 chassis 6, Maserati AM53 chassis 8, because that's exactly what they are worth.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 29 Oct 2014, 22:31

This wrote:ENB will bid on:
-Ferrari 555 chassis 3 - 2000
-Ferrari 555 engine 1 - 2000
Jaguar JFE-2 engine 5 - 5000
OSCA 53 chassis 1 + OSCA 3000V8 engine 1 - combined package - 5000

Anglo-Racing Engineering are willing to accept £5000 for the Jaguar engine, if you still want it.

Meanwhile we will also bid for the following

Aqua SAMC-1A engine 1- £90
Maserati AM53 chassis 5 - £200
Maserati AM53 chassis 6 -£200
Maserati AM53 chassis 8 - £200

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 29 Oct 2014, 23:09

peteroli34 wrote:
This wrote:ENB will bid on:
-Ferrari 555 chassis 3 - 2000
-Ferrari 555 engine 1 - 2000
Jaguar JFE-2 engine 5 - 5000
OSCA 53 chassis 1 + OSCA 3000V8 engine 1 - combined package - 5000

Anglo-Racing Engineering are willing to accept £5000 for the Jaguar engine, if you still want it.

Ok, good.

That means i will put the Bentley 16VL-1 engine up for sale for at least 5000. No lower bids, this engine doesn't have to leave.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 29 Oct 2014, 23:36

Renzo bids £2500 apiece for Ferrari 555 chassis 8 and Ferrari 555 engine 12.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 30 Oct 2014, 09:04

I think I could make a quick buck if I auction my Mercedes engines. Any takers? I'm willing to negotiate the price.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Oct 2014, 16:36

Phoenix wrote:I think I could make a quick buck if I auction my Mercedes engines. Any takers? I'm willing to negotiate the price.

I'll start with a bid of 100 per engine.

And i bid 3000 on Ferrari 555 chassis 8 + Ferrari 555 engine 12 after all. One of both Ferrari 555s on auction will be mine, Biscotti!

Also, i will not sell my Bentley engine just yet, and will bid 250 on Bentley 53C chassis 1

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 30 Oct 2014, 16:45

This, check your mail.

Scuderia Anglo-Italia bid £265 for Bentley 53C chassis 1

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 30 Oct 2014, 17:24

This wrote:And i bid 3000 on Ferrari 555 chassis 8 + Ferrari 555 engine 12 after all. One of both Ferrari 555s on auction will be mine, Biscotti!

Yeah - the broken one!

3500 apiece for Ferrari 555 chassis 8 + Ferrari 555 engine 12 by Renzo.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Oct 2014, 17:34

Biscione wrote:
This wrote:And i bid 3000 on Ferrari 555 chassis 8 + Ferrari 555 engine 12 after all. One of both Ferrari 555s on auction will be mine, Biscotti!

Yeah - the broken one!

3500 apiece for Ferrari 555 chassis 8 + Ferrari 555 engine 12 by Renzo.

I'll go along in this bidding war, 3750 for Chassis 8 (engine is no longer necessairy as i got the jag) If i win the bid, i'll have decent car, and if i lose the bid, you will lose loadsofmoney

pasta_maldonado wrote:This, check your mail.

Scuderia Anglo-Italia bid £265 for Bentley 53C chassis 1

I'll retreat my bid, in exchange for our deal. But remember that there might be other people bidding for the same car.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 30 Oct 2014, 17:42

Phoenix wrote:I think I could make a quick buck if I auction my Mercedes engines. Any takers? I'm willing to negotiate the price.

500 per engine, for every single engine you've got; even the broken one. Deal or no deal?

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 30 Oct 2014, 20:53

Literally everthing my team has is up for auction as I will be pulling out of the series (No foul on tommy who run an excellent series).
Though I have already agreed to sell my Ferrari stuff to Biscione for $5000.

Though tommy, please keep a note of my cash somewhere as I may return one day

.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Oct 2014, 21:26

Shadaza wrote:Literally everthing my team has is up for auction as I will be pulling out of the series (No foul on tommy who run an excellent series).
Though I have already agreed to sell my Ferrari stuff to Biscione for $5000.

Though tommy, please keep a note of my cash somewhere as I may return one day .

Agreeing a price in private negotiations at a public auction? ENB will obviously go to court to demand a financial compensation from both of you. As no official message was given about these parts being retreated from the auction, they were officially still on it, and couldn't be sold.

Seriously, did you really think you could get away with tricks like this one? :roll:

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 30 Oct 2014, 21:36

This wrote:
Shadaza wrote:Literally everthing my team has is up for auction as I will be pulling out of the series (No foul on tommy who run an excellent series).
Though I have already agreed to sell my Ferrari stuff to Biscione for $5000.

Though tommy, please keep a note of my cash somewhere as I may return one day .

Agreeing a price in private negotiations at a public auction? ENB will obviously go to court to demand a financial compensation from both of you. As no official message was given about these parts being retreated from the auction, they were officially still on it, and couldn't be sold.

Seriously, did you really think you could get away with tricks like this one?

Deal was made before auction was started. Haven't you heard of chronological order?

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Oct 2014, 21:47

Biscione wrote:
This wrote:
Shadaza wrote:Literally everthing my team has is up for auction as I will be pulling out of the series (No foul on tommy who run an excellent series).
Though I have already agreed to sell my Ferrari stuff to Biscione for $5000.

Though tommy, please keep a note of my cash somewhere as I may return one day .

Agreeing a price in private negotiations at a public auction? ENB will obviously go to court to demand a financial compensation from both of you. As no official message was given about these parts being retreated from the auction, they were officially still on it, and couldn't be sold.

Seriously, did you really think you could get away with tricks like this one?

Deal was made before auction was started. Haven't you heard of chronological order?

No statement was made, that was the point. Even if they were, auctioning the same stuff made it invalid. Don't try to talk yourself out of this one son.
'literally everything my team has is up for auction' 'but i sold part of it, and never stated i did so, so it means it's not literally everything'.
Either way, Biscione could get away with it, as usual, but Shadaza can't. Even your chronology argument is invalid, as in the only statement about this point, it's exactly the chronology which is wrong.

Just to make sure i don't make the same mistake, i have an agreement with pi over the Osca material i was planning to buy. It was correctly announced on the forum that this car was for sale and not auctioned.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 30 Oct 2014, 21:57

This wrote:No statement was made, that was the point. Even if they were, auctioning the same stuff made it invalid. Don't try to talk yourself out of this one son.
'literally everything my team has is up for auction' 'but i sold part of it, and never stated i did so, so it means it's not literally everything'.
Either way, Biscione could get away with it, as usual, but Shadaza can't. Even your chronology argument is invalid, as in the only statement about this point, it's exactly the chronology which is wrong.

You're confusing chronological order and written order.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Oct 2014, 21:59

Biscione wrote:
This wrote:No statement was made, that was the point. Even if they were, auctioning the same stuff made it invalid. Don't try to talk yourself out of this one son.
'literally everything my team has is up for auction' 'but i sold part of it, and never stated i did so, so it means it's not literally everything'.
Either way, Biscione could get away with it, as usual, but Shadaza can't. Even your chronology argument is invalid, as in the only statement about this point, it's exactly the chronology which is wrong.

You're confusing chronological order and written order.

Nope, considering there is no chronological order, written order is the only argument you could use, and even that one is wrong. So unless Tommy can confirm this was all done and settled, there's no way to talk yourself out of it.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 30 Oct 2014, 22:04

This wrote:
Biscione wrote:
This wrote:No statement was made, that was the point. Even if they were, auctioning the same stuff made it invalid. Don't try to talk yourself out of this one son.
'literally everything my team has is up for auction' 'but i sold part of it, and never stated i did so, so it means it's not literally everything'.
Either way, Biscione could get away with it, as usual, but Shadaza can't. Even your chronology argument is invalid, as in the only statement about this point, it's exactly the chronology which is wrong.

You're confusing chronological order and written order.

Nope, considering there is no chronological order, written order is the only argument you could use, and even that one is wrong. So unless Tommy can confirm this was all done and settled, there's no way to talk yourself out of it.

19:34 Requested purchase of Ultimate's Ferrari
20:45 Deal to purchase Ferrari gear agreed
20:53 Shadaza elects to auction all his remaining possessions

There's your chronology.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Oct 2014, 22:14

Biscione wrote:19:34 Requested purchase of Ultimate's Ferrari
20:45 Deal to purchase Ferrari gear agreed
20:53 Shadaza elects to auction all his remaining possessions

There's your chronology.

Unless Tommy can confirm this is what really happened, it doesnt mean a thing.

Altough originally i assumed it was the same material that was on the auction, i realised after my first post this could be different material, but i decided to continue the complaint, as i obviously have a point about the lack of statements, and that Shadazas statement is misleading, as proven above, and he is still guilty of deliberate misinformation. Let's say that i will not go to court before Tommy can give me an official statement about the sale itself, but i will still go to court about the deliberate misinformation thing. Which is in fact none of your business Biscione, as this should not hurt your team.

And yes, i'm in desperate need of money, if i wasn't, i wouldn't bother :oops:

Post by **tommykl** » 30 Oct 2014, 22:20

Right, regarding This, Shadaza and Biscione, the way I see it is that Shadaza is putting up for auction everything except for the Ferraris, which he has already sold to Biscione (deal was made in private, and has been announced here in the same post). The only problem here is a misunderstanding over the use of the word literally

I was not in the chatroom when the deal was made (I presume, that's where it happened), so I can't confirm this is what happened, but seeing as they were announced in the same post, I will assume that the deal is legitimate.

So, to be perfectly clear, here is what will happen.

-All three Ferrari packages owned by Ultimate have been sold to Renzo for a total of £5 000. These chassis were sold in private before being put up for auction. Seeing as this was announced in the same post, I have no reason to believe they were put up for auction before the sale.
-The rest of Ultimate's cars have been put up for auction, with 3/4 of proceeds going to them in case of an eventual return.
-Ultimate's remaining money will remain in the team's account in case of a return to the series.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Oct 2014, 22:28

Please, don't take it personal Shadaza, i explained why i let myself got away in it. But as i still smelled blood, i still tried to squeeze something out of it. And i do have a point about the misleading misinformation. So i still demand a compensation of 50 francs.