Grand Prix Rejects

SeedStriker wrote:The cold fact is that you're successful or not. It doesn't have anything to do with the gender. Just like any male driver, if a female have the success and the capital, she can compete in any form of motorsport. Danicamania showed that a woman can compete in equal grounds with the big guns without having to resort to being "a female in a man-dominated sport". What happened to Giovanna Amati, even with her not paying the bills was that Brabham was an agonizing team. Hell, not even a certain Damon Hill could qualify that junk, so it was unfair to use the Italian as a benchmark for future female drivers without having time to adapt to the car. She didn't even have the time to test it before the 1992 Kyalami weekend.
As for Susie Stoddart-Wolf, quite honestly, her DTM career is just mediocre, and she don't have anything special to be in the pinnacle of motorsports that is F1. Simona de Silvestro or Catherine Legge at least have the single-seaters experience to try to be in F1, but Stoddart-Wolf only have the "Wolf" in her middle name to be on the sport.

SeedStriker wrote:but Stoddart-Wolf only have the "Wolf" in her middle name to be on the sport.

SeedStriker wrote:The cold fact is that you're successful or not. It doesn't have anything to do with the gender. Just like any male driver, if a female have the success and the capital, she can compete in any form of motorsport. Danicamania showed that a woman can compete in equal grounds with the big guns without having to resort to being "a female in a man-dominated sport". What happened to Giovanna Amati, even with her not paying the bills was that Brabham was an agonizing team. Hell, not even a certain Damon Hill could qualify that junk, so it was unfair to use the Italian as a benchmark for future female drivers without having time to adapt to the car. She didn't even have the time to test it before the 1992 Kyalami weekend.
As for Susie Stoddart-Wolf, quite honestly, her DTM career is just mediocre, and she don't have anything special to be in the pinnacle of motorsports that is F1. Simona de Silvestro or Catherine Legge at least have the single-seaters experience to try to be in F1, but Stoddart-Wolf only have the "Wolf" in her middle name to be on the sport.

SeedStriker wrote:The cold fact is that you're successful or not. It doesn't have anything to do with the gender. Just like any male driver, if a female have the success and the capital, she can compete in any form of motorsport. Danicamania showed that a woman can compete in equal grounds with the big guns without having to resort to being "a female in a man-dominated sport". What happened to Giovanna Amati, even with her not paying the bills was that Brabham was an agonizing team. Hell, not even a certain Damon Hill could qualify that junk, so it was unfair to use the Italian as a benchmark for future female drivers without having time to adapt to the car. She didn't even have the time to test it before the 1992 Kyalami weekend.

dr-baker wrote:But my question is this: there have been a few women who have proved to have a bit of success Stateside, but no woman has had a chance since Giovanna Amati. Are there just more opportunities in the States, or have there just not been women who have been good enough in Europe?

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Lets analyse some of the well known female drivers because i don't know about this Dutch Female that is rated quite highly by most of you

Simona de Silvestro: Probably the best female in Motorsport at the moment. De Silvestro was a former champion in one of the lower American Motorsport drivers so she's due a podium finish in Indycars at some point. The opening round of 2011 is one of her best races as she came 4th and set the fastest lap. Although that year went downhill after that she has picked up considerably since then with some strong finishes this year.

Danica Patrick: Don't really need to say anything do I. Danicamania has swept the board in NASCAR but she really is overrated with only a few good drives in Indycar to show for her hype. Her bad personality doesn't help either.

Alice Powell: Back to my better Territory Alice Powell should really be the next big woman in Formula 1. As Will Buxton said in Monaco last year she is not here just to make up the numbers. She was a former champion in British Motorsport and was massively unlucky not to get a podium in Formula Renault UK in 2011. She scored a point in GP3 last year and that can only be a step forwards. Now somebody give her some cash so she can do it again.

Vicky Piria: Also in GP3 last year she wasn't as quick as Powell but she wasn't as bad as the next female listed here. A heavy crash at Hockenheim last year knocked the wind out of her sails and she hasn't been heard from since

Carmen Jorda: Quite Frankly how she has managed to stay in GP3 while Powell and Piria have been shafted is a mystery science has been unable to explain. DNQ'ed at Silverstone and is currently showing no signs of progress other than being a very slow pay-driver.

Susie Wolff: The bare stats alone explain why Wolff is being criticized for her attempts to be an F1 driver. 7 seasons of DTM yielded a grand total of 4 points and no Podiums. Not only that but her best finish was 7th and her first points didn't come until 2010 in the demolition derby at Valencia. To top it off she is 30 years old which is hardly a spring chicken in anyone's book but hey if racing in F1 is her dream who are we to crush it.

Katherine Legge: Like Wolff Legge was a no-hoper in DTM and decided to head statside in Indycar. Most famous moment was running in the top 3 for a brief moment at this year's Indy 500

Pippa Mann: Another anonymous Indycar racer who also ran in the top 3 briefly at the Indy 500 this year. I don't know much about her though

Milka Duno: Do i have to really say anything? I'll say something anyway because she is the perfect example of someone who needs a driving lesson on how to go faster. Discounting the hopeless Lotus Cars at last years Indy 500 Duno is the only racer in recent times to have been disqualified for being too slow with Autosport describing it in one race "After 31 laps of Ineptitude" Quite frankly a Lawnmower is faster than Milka Duno

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Vicky Piria: Also in GP3 last year she wasn't as quick as Powell but she wasn't as bad as the next female listed here. A heavy crash at Hockenheim last year knocked the wind out of her sails and she hasn't been heard from since

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Susie Wolff: The bare stats alone explain why Wolff is being criticized for her attempts to be an F1 driver. 7 seasons of DTM yielded a grand total of 4 points and no Podiums. Not only that but her best finish was 7th and her first points didn't come until 2010 in the demolition derby at Valencia. To top it off she is 30 years old which is hardly a spring chicken in anyone's book but hey if racing in F1 is her dream who are we to crush it.

dr-baker wrote:

SeedStriker wrote:The cold fact is that you're successful or not. It doesn't have anything to do with the gender. Just like any male driver, if a female have the success and the capital, she can compete in any form of motorsport. Danicamania showed that a woman can compete in equal grounds with the big guns without having to resort to being "a female in a man-dominated sport". What happened to Giovanna Amati, even with her not paying the bills was that Brabham was an agonizing team. Hell, not even a certain Damon Hill could qualify that junk, so it was unfair to use the Italian as a benchmark for future female drivers without having time to adapt to the car. She didn't even have the time to test it before the 1992 Kyalami weekend.

Britain and Hungary? But yes, it did take quite a few races before Damon was able to drag that car onto the grid (5 DNQs before Britain).

But my question is this: there have been a few women who have proved to have a bit of success Stateside, but no woman has had a chance since Giovanna Amati. Are there just more opportunities in the States, or have there just not been women who have been good enough in Europe?

dr-baker wrote:If either Alice Powell or Beitske Visser (I have to Google-copy-and-paste or just copy-and-paste her name every time, struggling to remember it), turn out to actually have some driving talent, is there a realistic chance of them making it to F1, and then not just to a backmarker team? I know Beitske Visser has Red Bull backing and therefore a bit more likely to make it as far at least as far as Toro Rosso, but realistically?

SeedStriker wrote:The cold fact is that you're successful or not. It doesn't have anything to do with the gender. Just like any male driver, if a female have the success and the capital, she can compete in any form of motorsport. Danicamania showed that a woman can compete in equal grounds with the big guns without having to resort to being "a female in a man-dominated sport". What happened to Giovanna Amati, even with her not paying the bills was that Brabham was an agonizing team. Hell, not even a certain Damon Hill could qualify that junk, so it was unfair to use the Italian as a benchmark for future female drivers without having time to adapt to the car. She didn't even have the time to test it before the 1992 Kyalami weekend.
As for Susie Stoddart-Wolf, quite honestly, her DTM career is just mediocre, and she don't have anything special to be in the pinnacle of motorsports that is F1. Simona de Silvestro or Catherine Legge at least have the single-seaters experience to try to be in F1, but Stoddart-Wolf only have the "Wolf" in her middle name to be on the sport.

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dr-baker wrote:If either Alice Powell or Beitske Visser (I have to Google-copy-and-paste or just copy-and-paste her name every time, struggling to remember it), turn out to actually have some driving talent, is there a realistic chance of them making it to F1, and then not just to a backmarker team? I know Beitske Visser has Red Bull backing and therefore a bit more likely to make it as far at least as far as Toro Rosso, but realistically?

Well, at Toro Rosso, Visser can still show she's not rejectful, so it will still be a big step forward for the girls' public image. I actually see Red Bull promoting her to the main team if the turns out to be good, because that would be very good publicity for them, and if one teams cares about publicity...
Powell, realistically doesn't stand any chance, unless if she marries with a team principal.

This wrote:If you want to see good women, let Vanina Ickx drive a touring car, trust me, she's a spectacular driver in that kind of cars (especially when she raced the quite unique Mini Cooper S3 in Zolder, which was a spectacular car anyway, but still, i haven't seen other drivers drive that car so fast) she might have been crap in DTM, but she surely wasn't in Belcar and Belgian Procar!

Wallio wrote: How many other womaen are three time World Champions?

Jocke1 wrote:

Wallio wrote: How many other womaen are three time World Champions?

Angelle Sampey has been a favorite of mine for some time. A real cool lady.

Wallio wrote:I don't want to be that guy, but are you serious? All Danica proved is sex sells, nothing more, nothing less. Her run in NASCAR is proving it.

Onxy Wrecked wrote:The US has multiple series including several where 40 to 60 entries compete. That would be NASCAR's top two series and the sports car series. So more opportunities is certainly a likely factor.

Rabbi Gordon wrote:Well, the two in NASCAR are a lot different than F1.
We all know how mediocre Danica is. This year, Casey Mears beat her in the standings, with one tenth of the budget Danica has. She is not just a whiner, but also very delusional. Instead of focusing on improvement on a race-by-race basis, like 30th place drivers should, she fully expects to win every race. Don't get me wrong, in NASCAR strange things can happen and basically anyone can win Daytona or Talladega, but isn't it a bit far-fetched to think you are the best, only because you are a woman? More and more people start to recognize that she is just a PR juggernaut, including her opponents. My favorite was David Gilliland telling her to "Shut up and race.", while later remarking that if she has the luxury of several cars at her disposal in every race, she should not be racing people whose teams have like 4 or 5 cars altogether. (In NASCAR, you need a road course car, a short track car, a restrictor plate one and a speedway one to get started.

Wallio wrote:

Rabbi Gordon wrote: More and more people start to recognize that she is just a PR juggernaut, including her opponents. My favorite was David Gilliland telling her to "Shut up and race.", while later remarking that if she has the luxury of several cars at her disposal in every race, she should not be racing people whose teams have like 4 or 5 cars altogether.quote]

I preferred Tony Stewart's more colorful radio rant at Martinsville last Spring. "Tell her if she doesn't f**king cut that s**t out, I will f**king dump her s**t! Tell her! Tell her I f**king own her f**king car and I will be the one to f**king dump her s**t! F**king tell her!" The video is on youtube.

yannicksamlad wrote:And Beitske Visser and Tatiana Calderon both have drives again this year ..and they both seem to be quite capable .
Which is good news for racing I think

yannicksamlad wrote:And Beitske Visser and Tatiana Calderon both have drives again this year ..and they both seem to be quite capable .
Which is good news for racing I think

dr-baker wrote:

yannicksamlad wrote:And Beitske Visser and Tatiana Calderon both have drives again this year ..and they both seem to be quite capable .
Which is good news for racing I think

Based on recent race results, they can't be too much worse than Lotus's new development driver, Carmen Jorda...

AndreaModa wrote:

dr-baker wrote:

yannicksamlad wrote:And Beitske Visser and Tatiana Calderon both have drives again this year ..and they both seem to be quite capable .
Which is good news for racing I think

Based on recent race results, they can't be too much worse than Lotus's new development driver, Carmen Jorda...

Meanwhile she poses and pouts in a tight-fitting t-shirt in the Lotus garage whilst someone out of shot wolf-whistles whilst the global TV feed is filming her.

Did anyone else notice that last weekend as well?

AxelP800 wrote:I do interested in Sussie (or Susie?) Wolff race in F1. She's not that bad at Silverstone FP1. Williams is seriously need to re-think it

AndreaModa wrote:

dr-baker wrote:

yannicksamlad wrote:And Beitske Visser and Tatiana Calderon both have drives again this year ..and they both seem to be quite capable .
Which is good news for racing I think

Based on recent race results, they can't be too much worse than Lotus's new development driver, Carmen Jorda...

Meanwhile she poses and pouts in a tight-fitting t-shirt in the Lotus garage whilst someone out of shot wolf-whistles whilst the global TV feed is filming her.

Did anyone else notice that last weekend as well?

Salamander wrote:

AxelP800 wrote:I do interested in Sussie (or Susie?) Wolff race in F1. She's not that bad at Silverstone FP1. Williams is seriously need to re-think it

It doesn't matter, as long as the FIA keep the current superlicence points system, Susie Wolff doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a shot at a GP start.

tBone wrote:

Salamander wrote:

AxelP800 wrote:I do interested in Susie Wolff race in F1. She's not that bad at Silverstone FP1. Williams is seriously need to re-think it

It doesn't matter, as long as the FIA keep the current superlicence points system, Susie Wolff doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a shot at a GP start.

Do these superlicense rules apply already this year? I thought they would start next year with that.

tBone wrote:

Salamander wrote:

AxelP800 wrote:I do interested in Sussie (or Susie?) Wolff race in F1. She's not that bad at Silverstone FP1. Williams is seriously need to re-think it

It doesn't matter, as long as the FIA keep the current superlicence points system, Susie Wolff doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a shot at a GP start.

Do these superlicense rules apply already this year? I thought they would start next year with that.

dr-baker wrote:Oh, and it's good to see another fan of the Wolff on here! I fear that we may be in the minority here...

CoopsII wrote:

dr-baker wrote:Also, dr-baker, it falls to me to tell you that this celebrity crush you have on Wolffy is simply wasting your time and I'll tell you why; I can tell that she'd be crap in bed. It'd be lights out and nothing too adventurous. If there ever existed a sex-tape featuring her and Nick Heidfeld I guarantee nobody would be interested. It's time to move on and perhaps Carmen Jorda is your future as she seems a nice girl and I'd be willing to bet complete filth in bed. Again, please no stat-by-stat comparisons.

DanielPT wrote:

CoopsII wrote:

dr-baker wrote:Also, dr-baker, it falls to me to tell you that this celebrity crush you have on Wolffy is simply wasting your time and I'll tell you why; I can tell that she'd be crap in bed. It'd be lights out and nothing too adventurous. If there ever existed a sex-tape featuring her and Nick Heidfeld I guarantee nobody would be interested. It's time to move on and perhaps Carmen Jorda is your future as she seems a nice girl and I'd be willing to bet complete filth in bed. Again, please no stat-by-stat comparisons.

That is pure speculation. First of all, you don't know how dr-baker likes them in bed or do you?

DanielPT wrote:have you never heard that the quieter they are in public the worst they are in bed?

CoopsII wrote:

DanielPT wrote:have you never heard that the quieter they are in public the worst they are in bed?

Well then. She's quiet and boring. Much like a night with her would probably be. Or, if you swing that way, Paul Di Resta. Man alive, I bet he could make a gay dude straight.

CoopsII wrote:If you're asking (and I know no one wants to know this but I'm trying to balance up the objectification of women here) I reckon Alonso could hammer it home in style.