Grand Prix Rejects

I was thinking about this today. How many drivers crashed with each other more than 1 time? I'm counting crashes that not resulted in retirements too.

Examples in F-1:

6 times:

-Lewis Hamilton and Felipe Massa (Fuji/08, Monaco/11, Silverstone/11, Singapore/11, Suzuka/11 and India/11).

4 Times:

-Ayrton Senna and Nigel Mansell (Brazil/86, Spa/87, Estoril/89 and Adelaide/92).
-Jean Alesi and Martin Brundle (Hungaroring/89, Spa/89, Interlagos/92 and Imola/92 (Practice))
-Michael Schumacher and Damon Hill (Suzuka/93, Adelaide/94, Silverstone/95 and Monza/95).
-Michael Schumacher and Juan-Pablo Montoya (Interlagos/01, Sepang/02, Imola/04 and Monaco/04).

3 Times:

-David Coulthard and Mika Hakkinen (Estoril/96, A1-Ring/99 and Spa/99).
-Jarno Trulli and Jenson Button (Spa/00, Indy/00 and Monza/01).
-Rubens Barrichello and Ralf Schumacher (Sepang/01, Interlagos/01 and Melbourne/02).
-David Coulthard and Kazuki Nakajima (Monza/08, Fuji/08 and Interlagos/08).
-Mark Webber and Nico Rosberg (Interlagos/06, Korea/10 and Bahrain/13).

2 Times:

-James Hunt and Tom Pryce (Zandvoort/74 and Dijon/74).
-Ayrton Senna and Martin Brundle (???/83 (In british F-3) and Adelaide/89).
-Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost (Suzuka/89 and Suzuka/90).
-Eric Comas and Thierry Boutsen (Interlagos/92 and Hungaroring/92).
-Ukyo Katayama and Bertrand Gachot (Montreal/92 and Suzuka/92).
-Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher (Magny-Cours/92 and Kyalami/93).
-Jean Alesi and Jarno Trulli (Montreal/98 two times).
-David Coulthard and Alexander Wurz (Spa/98 and Melbourne/07).
-Jean Alesi and Nick Heidfeld (Magny-Cours/00 and A1-Ring/00).
-Takuma Sato and Giancarlo Fisichella (Sepang/02 and Nurburgring/02).
-Juan-Pablo Montoya and Ralf Schumacher (Indy/02 and Nurburgring/04).
-Juan-Pablo Montoya and Antonio Pizzonia (Sepang/03 and Spa/05).
-Rubens Barrichello and David Coulthard (Suzuka/04 and Hockenhein/08).
-David Coulthard and Felipe Massa (Imola/05 and Melbourne/08).
-Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel (Fuji/07 and Istambul/10).
-Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso (Bahrain/08 and Spa/12).
-Adrian Sutil and Kimi Raikkonen (Monaco/08 and Nurburgring/09).
-Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso (Melbourne/10 and Montreal/11).
-Lewis Hamilton and Pastor Maldonado (Spa/11(qualify) and Valencia/12).
-Michael Schumacher and Bruno Senna (Interlagos/11 and Barcelona/12).
-Pastor Maldonado and Sergio Perez (Monaco/12(FP) and Silverstone/12).
-Mark Webber and Romain Grosjean (Suzuka/12 and Abu Dhabi/12).
-Sebastian Vettel and Bruno Senna (Abu Dhabi/12 and Interlagos/12).
-Jenson Button and Sergio Perez (Bahrain/13 two-times).

That is a fairly good list. I can't think of more right now.

Ukyo Katayama and Bertrand Gachot, twice in 1992 as team-mates (Canada and Japan).

midgrid wrote:Ukyo Katayama and Bertrand Gachot, twice in 1992 as team-mates (Canada and Japan).

Which team did Katayama and Gachot drive for in '92?

go_Rubens wrote:

midgrid wrote:Ukyo Katayama and Bertrand Gachot, twice in 1992 as team-mates (Canada and Japan).

Which team did Katayama and Gachot drive for in '92?

Larrousse/Venturi.

Sato and Fisichella crashed into eachother at Sepang and Nurburgring 2002. As teammates no less

Does Alesi-Heidfeld count? They had a contact in Magny-Cours, and then had a big crash in Austria in 2000.

Hakkinen + Coulthard
Spa & A1 Ring 1999.

Don't forget Monaco 2011 for Pastor Maldonado and Lewis Hamilton. The crash that started it all.

Dj_bereta wrote:-Lewis Hamilton and Felipe Massa (Fuji/08, Monaco/11, Silverstone/11, Singapore/11, Suzuka/11 and India/11).
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Ahhh, the good old days when Hamilton loved Massa more than he loved Nicole. Given this year pecking order I wonder if they will get a few more chances to reconnect.

Here's another one, but in ONE race!

Alesi-Trulli, Canada 1998

Ralf Schumacher and Juan Pablo Montoya: USA 2002 and Europe 2004

EDIT: We also have Jarno Trulli and Jenson Button from Belgium 2000 and then again at Indianapolis two races later

IIRC, Adrian Sutil and Jarno Trulli at the 2009 Spanish and Brazilian Grand Prixs. Watch them bicker about it afterwards...

Did Raikonnen and Sutil not collide another time too....

Shizuka wrote:Here's another one, but in ONE race!

Alesi-Trulli, Canada 1998

IIRC Trulli also crashed into Alesi at pretty much the same spot a year later as well. So in fact 3 times in 2 years. I can't even begin to describe how outraged I was at those events when watching it live. As Alesi had made his usual brilliant start all three times & would have easily gotten onto the podium in both years (in his underpowered Sauber) had it not been for those incidents. Typical of the man's luck.

Jocke1 wrote:Hakkinen + Coulthard
Spa & A1 Ring 1999.

Also at Portugal 1996.

Dj_bereta wrote:Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost (Suzuka/89 and Suzuka/90).

Also they had a bit of an incident at Germany 1991. Although I don't think they touched (which I always felt was down to Senna having 'learnt' to avoid contact in races possibly after critism following Suzuka 1990)

Dj_bereta wrote:Michael Schumacher and Damon Hill (Adelaide/94, Silverstone/95 and Monza/95).

Spa 1995 I pretty sure they banged wheels. Can't remember if they also touched during Canada 1998, IIRC I don't think they did, but it was mighty close.

Wizzie wrote:
EDIT: We also have Jarno Trulli and Jenson Button from Belgium 2000 and then again at Indianapolis two races later

Apologies for the individual posts, rather than one long one (kept messing it up). Anyway Button also crashed into Trulli during the start at Monza 2001. Which you may recall is the race where everyone said they were going to be extra careful into the 1st corner after 9/11, Zanardi's crash & the death of a Marshal at the previous year's race.

ibsey wrote:

Wizzie wrote:
EDIT: We also have Jarno Trulli and Jenson Button from Belgium 2000 and then again at Indianapolis two races later

Apologies for the individual posts, rather than one long one (kept messing it up). Anyway Button also crashed into Trulli during the start at Monza 2001. Which you may recall is the race where everyone said they were going to be extra careful into the 1st corner after 9/11, Zanardi's crash & the death of a Marshal at the previous year's race.

Everyone apart from Jacques Villeneuve agreed to take it easy on the first lap. Which is probably a reason why he managed to score a point that afternoon, despite being in a car that was so bad it would end up qualifying behind a Minardi on merit at the next race...

East Londoner wrote:

ibsey wrote:

Wizzie wrote:
EDIT: We also have Jarno Trulli and Jenson Button from Belgium 2000 and then again at Indianapolis two races later

Apologies for the individual posts, rather than one long one (kept messing it up). Anyway Button also crashed into Trulli during the start at Monza 2001. Which you may recall is the race where everyone said they were going to be extra careful into the 1st corner after 9/11, Zanardi's crash & the death of a Marshal at the previous year's race.

Everyone apart from Jacques Villeneuve agreed to take it easy on the first lap. Which is probably a reason why he managed to score a point that afternoon, despite being in a car that was so bad it would end up qualifying behind a Minardi on merit at the next race...

I think that was more down to Alonso being a boss and Villeneuve being crap. The 2001 BAR wasn't that bad, really.

Senna/Mansell also in Spa 1987
Schumacher/Hill also in Suzuka 1993
Andretti/Berger, Interlagos and Hockenheim 1993

2nd Räikkönen/Sutil incident was Nürburgring 2009.

Comas/Boutsen (team-mates), Interlagos and Hungaroring 1992. Herbert was also involved in both incidents but really taken out by different driver (Boutsen in Brazil, Comas in Hungary)

Michael Schumacher and Ralf Schumacher - Luxembourg 1997 and Spain 2000

Information obtained by F1 Rejects. http://www.f1rejects.com/hall/cainabel/index.html

I know Spain wasn't much of a collision, before you lecture me about it.

Defenitely De Cesaris must have crashed with some drivers more than once?

Taki Inoue/Safety vehicles

Alesi & Brundle at Brazil 1992 & possibly Monaco 1995? And I've got a feeling at some point during 1989 (either the Hungarian GP or Spainish GP IIRC).

But perhaps even more famous than their on track collisons, was their several near punch ups

Like Quali at San Marino 1992, (Where Alesi threaten to kill Brundle)

Like Quali at Belgium 1994 & possibly quali for Spain 1995.

Funnily enough, apparently those two are now good friends.

It doesn't actually fit into the topic itself, but I just thought of Alesi crashing at the exact same corner twice in two years:

A1-Ring, Remus hairpin:
1997 - hitting Irvine while running waaaay outside of points, and one Sauber - I think it was Herbert? - has to take evasive action to avoid getting involved
1998 - shutting the door on Fisichella while both running in the points. Interestingly, now he hits a Benetton while running one the previous year, and now he's drove a Sauber, which almost got into last year's accident!

ibsey wrote:Alesi & Brundle at Brazil 1992 & possibly Monaco 1995? And I've got a feeling at some point during 1989 (either the Hungarian GP or Spainish GP IIRC).

But perhaps even more famous than their on track collisons, was their several near punch ups

Like Quali at San Marino 1992, (Where Alesi threaten to kill Brundle)

Like Quali at Belgium 1994 & possibly quali for Spain 1995.

Funnily enough, apparently those two are now good friends.

- Hungary 1989 (collision)
- Belgium 1989 (collision)
- (Spain 1989 was a close battle that didn't involve contact)
- Brazil 1992 (collision)
- San Marino 1992 (collision - practice)
- Belgium 1994 (blocking - qualifying)
- Spain 1995 (blocking)
- Monaco 1995 (crash to avoid collision)

Also Brundle and Senna: 1983 in British F3, and then again at Australia in 1989.

Taki Inoue and the Safety Crew

NASCAR has had former F1 driver Juan Pablo Montoya collide with Clint Bowyer twice in the final races before NASCAR's Chase for the Cup in consecutive seasons. That would be in total of races about equal to two F1 seasons at least in total.
Atlanta 2011, Bowyer hard into the wall and Montoya continued to finish with little damage.
Richmond 2012 Bowyer spun from a cut tire and brought out the caution then saved enough fuel to win the race. Montoya also finished although a lap or two down behind Bowyer as he was before he cut Bowyer's tire with the exhaust pipe.

midgrid wrote: Belgium 1994 (blocking - qualifying)

During this confrontation, I remember thinking Brundle had obviously learnt to keep his helmet on, whislt Alesi was probably threatening to kill him on this particularly occassion. (video footage of it can be found on the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSLqQgbcL5c at 1:15:15)

BTW thanks for the clarification on the other stuff Midgrid.

Shizuka wrote:1998 - shutting the door on Fisichella while both running in the points. Interestingly, now he hits a Benetton while running one the previous year, and now he's drove a Sauber, which almost got into last year's accident!

Might as well correct you there. It was actually Fischella’s fault as Alesi’s old buddy, Brundle says from 1.13 onwards on the link below;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UomWLVfiUQk

I know I keep banging on about this, but this was yet another example of Alesi’s bad luck, this time having been spun around (although admittedly Jean did stall it afterwards).But a particularly gutting incident I recall since he & Fisco stated that race from the front row & probably would have picked up a half decent result that day.

Also, DC & M Schumi and their famous contact at Spa 1998 (You bathplugging tried to kill me). And then again (earlier that same year) at Argentina 1998.

Also JPM at Brazil & Malaysia 2002 & Europe 2003. Also they came mighty close to touching one another & possibly bang wheels at Brazil & Austria 2001, & San Marino practice in 2004.

ibsey wrote:

midgrid wrote: Belgium 1994 (blocking - qualifying)

During this confrontation, I remember thinking Brundle had obviously learnt to keep his helmet on, whislt Alesi was probably threatening to kill him on this particularly occassion. (video footage of it can be found on the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSLqQgbcL5c at 1:15:15)

BTW thanks for the clarification on the other stuff Midgrid.

Shizuka wrote:1998 - shutting the door on Fisichella while both running in the points. Interestingly, now he hits a Benetton while running one the previous year, and now he's drove a Sauber, which almost got into last year's accident!

Might as well correct you there. It was actually Fischella’s fault as Alesi’s old buddy, Brundle says from 1.13 onwards on the link below;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UomWLVfiUQk

I know I keep banging on about this, but this was yet another example of Alesi’s bad luck, this time having been spun around (although admittedly Jean did stall it afterwards).But a particularly gutting incident I recall since he & Fisco stated that race from the front row & probably would have picked up a half decent result that day.

Also, DC & M Schumi and their famous contact at Spa 1998 (You bathplugging tried to kill me). And then again (earlier that same year) at Argentina 1998.

Also JPM at Brazil & Malaysia 2002 & Europe 2003. Also they came mighty close to touching one another & possibly bang wheels at Brazil & Austria 2001, & San Marino practice in 2004.

JPM sure liked doing that to Bowyer in NASCAR much like he did with Fischella. Now if Bowyer had watched some F1 in 2002 and 2003, he'd never gotten wrecked at Atlanta by JPM nor would Bowyer have won at Richmond in 2012.

James Hunt and Tom Pryce had start-line collisions in two consecutive races, at Zandvoort and Dijon in 1974.

More contacts/crashes in bahrain:

Jenson Button and Sergio Perez as team-mates.

Also, Webber and Rosberg (2006 Brazil as Team-mates, 2010 Korea and now: 2013 Bahrain).

I will update first post as well.

Onxy Wrecked wrote:JPM sure liked doing that to Bowyer in NASCAR much like he did with Fischella. Now if Bowyer had watched some F1 in 2002 and 2003, he'd never gotten wrecked at Atlanta by JPM nor would Bowyer have won at Richmond in 2012.

NASCAR should not be elaborated on here because otherwise we would have a list that's really really long -- because of unavoidable crashes, Daytona, Talladega, and the short tracks.

Nick Heidfeld/Pedro de la Rosa: Malaysia 2000, Germany 2001 and Belgium 2001

Paul Tracy/Alex Tagliani

During the 2006 Champcar race at San Jose, Paul Tracy causes a collision that was idiotic even by his usual standards by rejoining the track from an escape road straight into the path of Alex Tagliani. Naturally Tagliani wasn't impressed and fisticuffs ensued.

Ironically the next race at Denver saw them start on the same row together and wouldn't you know it, Tracy puts poor Tags into the wall on the first lap before going on to collide with Sebastien Bourdais on the final lap which came close to Tracy getting into another fight with the Frenchman. He was penalized 3 points and fined $25,000 for avoidable contact and his probation received from the San Jose incident was extended.

Coulthard and Hakkinen hit eachother 4 times.
Mika also limped over DC's frontwing at the start of Hockenheim '94

Fisichella and Ralf Schumacher
Argentina '97, Nurburgring '97 (Sandwich with the ferrari of brotherhood)

Trulli and alesi met 3 times, after twice in '98 they did it over at the first corner in '99.

Cynon wrote:

Onxy Wrecked wrote:JPM sure liked doing that to Bowyer in NASCAR much like he did with Fischella. Now if Bowyer had watched some F1 in 2002 and 2003, he'd never gotten wrecked at Atlanta by JPM nor would Bowyer have won at Richmond in 2012.

NASCAR should not be elaborated on here because otherwise we would have a list that's really really long -- because of unavoidable crashes, Daytona, Talladega, and the short tracks.

I won't mention any NASCAR crash action beyond the handful of former F1 drivers in NASCAR colliding with NASCAR regulars. Not many of those drivers in NASCAR's history as we all know and Daytona and Talladega are off limits due to the nature of racing post 1987 when Bobby Allison went into the catchfence creating the restrictor plate era.

Johnny Cecotto jr and Sergio Canamassas. I don't remember how many times both crashed in the last race, but it was, at least, two times. Three collision already.

I think that Sergio Perez and Esteban Ocon crashed at least three times between each others while team mates at Force India (also, they just needed a couple of months to do so).

Michael Schumacher and Damon Hill (Suzuka/93, Adelaide/94, Silverstone/95 and Monza/95 ----> Schumacher and Hill also had a crash togeher at imola in 1994 soon after the restart, which dropped Hill to last position, which makes five.