Grand Prix Rejects

I figure we probably need this since the canon discussion has kind of hijacked the rantbox. Here's a list of the current canon series:

Historic series
F1WRCR (1950-): Run by tommykl
rFactor Alternate Formula One (1979-): Run by pasta_maldonado
LifeGP (1991-): Run by Nuppiz
F1RGP2C (1994-): Run by tristan1117
ProstGP (2001): Run by Dark77
rFactor Alternate CART (2002): Run by Dark77

Modern series (no longer active)
RTCC (1998, 2015-2016): Run by pasta_maldonado (1998, 2016)/ Dark77 (2015)
F1 Rejects LFS Cup (2011-2012) (First incarnation of RoLFS): Run by Pointrox
Cycling Series (2012-2013): Run by Shadaza
F1RBCC (2014): Run by Jeroen Krautmeir
RoLFS (2014-2015): Run by Nuppiz
F1RICS (2015-2016): Run by Ferrarist/Biscione
F1RDS (2015-2016): Run by Ataxia
IFRC (2016): Run by Nuppiz
Rejects Rallycross Championship (2016): Run by Dark77
Lupo GTI Championship (2016): Run by Rated

Modern series (active)
FxRWRS
F1RWRS (2010-): Run by The Masked Lapwing (2010-2012)/ Aerond (2013-Present)
F2RWRS (2014-): Run by Wizzie (2014-2016)/pasta_maldonado (2017-Present)
F3RWRS (2014-): Run by The Masked Lapwing
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AR3.5 (2017-): Run by Nuppiz
AR2.0 (2017-): Run by Ataxia
ARST (2017-): Run by Salamander
ARGTi (2017-): Run by Rated
ARUS (2017-): Run by Biscione
Other series
Alternate Formula One (2010-): Run by Klon
F1RSTC (2015/2016-): Run by WaffleCat
GTRWC (2016-): Run by RealRacingRoots
Rejectrucks Super Series (2016-): Run by Cynon
SARS (2016): Run by Klon
FRENCH (2016-): Run by Aerond
Le Mans Cup (2017-): Run by pi314159
Rejects World Motorcycle Trophy (2017-): Run by Pointrox
V-Powered Championship (2017/2018-): Run by Pointrox
Toyota Rejects Racing Series (2017): Run by Biscione

Of course, this is open to change, so feel free to suggest series to be taken down/added to the list.

The Street Racing League has been relaunched and can be considered canon.

Souldn't the F1CC be considered canonical, as, according to the Wiki:

The series was actually an online championship mainly for F1RWRS drivers held from 2012 to early 2014. Some guest drivers also competed, as did a handful of ordinary people with enough technical skills to connect to the official servers to compete with the professional drivers. In early 2014, the server permanently crashed, and the series was cancelled shortly after the running of qualifying for the 1999 Spanish Grand Prix.

Mostly because I want Douglas Mann to remain a cononical Champion!

dr-baker wrote:Souldn't the F1CC be considered canonical, as, according to the Wiki:

The series was actually an online championship mainly for F1RWRS drivers held from 2012 to early 2014. Some guest drivers also competed, as did a handful of ordinary people with enough technical skills to connect to the official servers to compete with the professional drivers. In early 2014, the server permanently crashed, and the series was cancelled shortly after the running of qualifying for the 1999 Spanish Grand Prix.

Mostly because I want Douglas Mann to remain a cononical Champion!

Canonical in the sense that it was canon drivers playing a video game

Since there are relations between my F1 series and the RWRS world, coupled to the fact that I'm very likely never to get up to 1979, I think my series should be considered canon...

tommykl wrote:Since there are relations between my F1 series and the RWRS world, coupled to the fact that I'm very likely never to get up to 1979, I think my series should be considered canon...

I'd agree with that, I left it off the list initially because I wasn't sure of the links.

Alright, F1WRCR and F1RSRL are added; as for F1CC, I have no problem with it being considered canon, due to the whole video game explanation of it, I'm just not sure what years to file it under; when it was set (1997-1999), or whatever year F1RWRS was in when it was taking place.

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Alright, F1WRCR and F1RSRL are added; as for F1CC, I have no problem with it being considered canon, due to the whole video game explanation of it, I'm just not sure what years to file it under; when it was set (1997-1999), or whatever year F1RWRS was in when it was taking place.

Yay, Douglas Mann can be considered a cononical champion(albeit a virtual champion within a virtual reality...)

IFRC can be added to the list (only reason I didnt add it on at the start was that I'd forgotten the new name )

pasta_maldonado wrote:IFRC can be added to the list (only reason I didnt add it on at the start was that I'd forgotten the new name )

Done. Also added RTCC, since that's starting up again.

Wait, theres a continuity?

So as a rookie, only participating in these series will let a character's XP carry over?

CaptainGetz12 wrote:Wait, theres a continuity?

So as a rookie, only participating in these series will let a character's XP carry over?

Indeed. There is a scheme colloquially known as 'Road to RWRS', which includes F1RWRS, F2RWRS, F3RWRS, F1RDS, IFRC and F1RICS.

As a quick guide, any series listed in Section 1.2.6 of the F1RWRS series regulations count towards driver skill/exp. http://f1alternate.shoutwiki.com/wiki/F ... quirements

As you can see, it can be gained from many different places.

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:

CaptainGetz12 wrote:Wait, theres a continuity?

So as a rookie, only participating in these series will let a character's XP carry over?

Indeed. There is a scheme colloquially known as 'Road to RWRS', which includes F1RWRS, F2RWRS, F3RWRS, F1RDS, IFRC and F1RICS.

As a quick guide, any series listed in Section 1.2.6 of the F1RWRS series regulations count towards driver skill/exp. http://f1alternate.shoutwiki.com/wiki/F ... quirements

As you can see, it can be gained from many different places.

Except for the REECCS, which isn't canon and shouldn't be there (I think I put that there actually ). Apart from that, everything.

the Masked Lapwing wrote:

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:

CaptainGetz12 wrote:Wait, theres a continuity?

So as a rookie, only participating in these series will let a character's XP carry over?

Indeed. There is a scheme colloquially known as 'Road to RWRS', which includes F1RWRS, F2RWRS, F3RWRS, F1RDS, IFRC and F1RICS.

As a quick guide, any series listed in Section 1.2.6 of the F1RWRS series regulations count towards driver skill/exp. http://f1alternate.shoutwiki.com/wiki/F ... quirements

As you can see, it can be gained from many different places.

Except for the REECCS, which isn't canon and shouldn't be there (I think I put that there actually ). Apart from that, everything.

Nah, I put that there back in the day when the series was semi-canon. Oh, and for those of you that haven't noticed, I added the GTRWC and RTCC championships as criteria several days ago while the forum was down. However, I am willing to change it if the need arises.

Has there been a debate as to whether F1RMGP and its female version, WEC, is or is not canon? After all, a lot of drivers migrated into that universe's Bathurst 24 hour race... (The Bathurst 24 Hours did occupy the F1RMGP universe, didn't it?).

dr-baker wrote:Has there been a debate as to whether F1RMGP and its female version, WEC, is or is not canon? After all, a lot of drivers migrated into that universe's Bathurst 24 hour race... (The Bathurst 24 Hours did occupy the F1RMGP universe, didn't it?).

I really don't think it should be canon. There's far too many discrepancies, and the F1RMGP is a whole universe in itself. The fact there was a crossover for the Bathurst 24hrs was the same reason that we've had drivers placed in other series. People didn't have the canon in mind back then.

AndreaModa wrote:

dr-baker wrote:Has there been a debate as to whether F1RMGP and its female version, WEC, is or is not canon? After all, a lot of drivers migrated into that universe's Bathurst 24 hour race... (The Bathurst 24 Hours did occupy the F1RMGP universe, didn't it?).

I really don't think it should be canon. There's far too many discrepancies, and the F1RMGP is a whole universe in itself. The fact there was a crossover for the Bathurst 24hrs was the same reason that we've had drivers placed in other series. People didn't have the canon in mind back then.

Discrepancies? The only thing that really comes to mind is Chris Dagnall...

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:

AndreaModa wrote:

dr-baker wrote:Has there been a debate as to whether F1RMGP and its female version, WEC, is or is not canon? After all, a lot of drivers migrated into that universe's Bathurst 24 hour race... (The Bathurst 24 Hours did occupy the F1RMGP universe, didn't it?).

I really don't think it should be canon. There's far too many discrepancies, and the F1RMGP is a whole universe in itself. The fact there was a crossover for the Bathurst 24hrs was the same reason that we've had drivers placed in other series. People didn't have the canon in mind back then.

Discrepancies? The only thing that really comes to mind is Chris Dagnall...

I mean all the teams, the drivers used in it, etc. It's too far altered from the reality that RWRS is set in to be considered canonical. The only similar things about it are the tracks, and a handful of the drivers really. Plus the whole hologram thing is bizarre if you ask me, a bit like some drivers possessing magical "time travel" abilities...

AndreaModa wrote:

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:

AndreaModa wrote:I really don't think it should be canon. There's far too many discrepancies, and the F1RMGP is a whole universe in itself. The fact there was a crossover for the Bathurst 24hrs was the same reason that we've had drivers placed in other series. People didn't have the canon in mind back then.

Discrepancies? The only thing that really comes to mind is Chris Dagnall...

I mean all the teams, the drivers used in it, etc. It's too far altered from the reality that RWRS is set in to be considered canonical. The only similar things about it are the tracks, and a handful of the drivers really. Plus the whole hologram thing is bizarre if you ask me, a bit like some drivers possessing magical "time travel" abilities...

Does it have to have much in common with RWRS, though? Can't they just be separate series in the same continuity?

Yeah of course, but I'm talking about fundamentals, I just see the two as so different that it would be best to keep them separate.

AndreaModa wrote:Yeah of course, but I'm talking about fundamentals, I just see the two as so different that it would be best to keep them separate.

Uhm...F1RMGP Main Series and WEC has Alitalia. That complicates things quite a bit.

Updated the canon list - adding the RRC and removing Aerond's karting series since it hasn't been officially announced yet.

Added dark's Alternate CART series, since that will be taking over from ProstGP. Also added the Lupo GTI Championship.

I really don't think the F1RMGP should be considered canon. Just an opinion

eurobrun wrote:I really don't think the F1RMGP should be considered canon. Just an opinion

Agreed.

Then what are you going to do with all the canon links in the series then? The Bathurst 24H? It wasn't made clear early enough that it wasn't canon and now we're in a situation where you'd have to retcon the whole of 2015.

Stramala wrote:Then what are you going to do with all the canon links in the series then? The Bathurst 24H? It wasn't made clear early enough that it wasn't canon and now we're in a situation where you'd have to retcon the whole of 2015.

But come on, we're all agreed that time travelling drivers is a stupid idea, so by extension bringing drivers back from the dead seems pretty far-fetched too. It's a nice series, don't get me wrong, but it's too detached from reality for it to be considered a realistic series in my view. Besides, the majority of drivers in it are eligible for bus passes by now!

There's no need to retcon anything, just consider the two "universes" to be parallel but not linked to each other.

AndreaModa wrote:

Stramala wrote:Then what are you going to do with all the canon links in the series then? The Bathurst 24H? It wasn't made clear early enough that it wasn't canon and now we're in a situation where you'd have to retcon the whole of 2015.

But come on, we're all agreed that time travelling drivers is a stupid idea, so by extension bringing drivers back from the dead seems pretty far-fetched too. It's a nice series, don't get me wrong, but it's too detached from reality for it to be considered a realistic series in my view. Besides, the majority of drivers in it are eligible for bus passes by now!

There's no need to retcon anything, just consider the two "universes" to be parallel but not linked to each other.

What? That last sentence just contradicts itself. If there's no links, what do we do with Scuderia Alitalia being in the series? And the Bathurst 24 Hours?

The Bathurst 24 hours is why it shouldn't be canon. Otherwise Jason Hamilton would have raced with smashed legs

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:What? That last sentence just contradicts itself. If there's no links, what do we do with Scuderia Alitalia being in the series? And the Bathurst 24 Hours?

Scuderia Alitalia happens to exist in that dimension F1RMGP is in but it's not the Scuderia Alitalia. Just like Daniel Melrose exists in the TMMC universe but he's not the Daniel Melrose of the RWRS world.

Klon wrote:

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:What? That last sentence just contradicts itself. If there's no links, what do we do with Scuderia Alitalia being in the series? And the Bathurst 24 Hours?

Scuderia Alitalia happens to exist in that dimension F1RMGP is in but it's not the Scuderia Alitalia. Just like Daniel Melrose exists in the TMMC universe but he's not the Daniel Melrose of the RWRS world.

Because if it were, they would have done the sensible thing and not let the Mad Uncle anywhere near a TMMC car

Klon wrote:

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:What? That last sentence just contradicts itself. If there's no links, what do we do with Scuderia Alitalia being in the series? And the Bathurst 24 Hours?

Scuderia Alitalia happens to exist in that dimension F1RMGP is in but it's not the Scuderia Alitalia. Just like Daniel Melrose exists in the TMMC universe but he's not the Daniel Melrose of the RWRS world.

Exactly.

Alright, here's how I think I'm gonna handle this. Since there's obviously considerable and reasoned opposition to F1RMGP being canon, I'm gonna open a vote on this. You can vote either to keep F1RMGP canon, or to boot it out, by sending me a PM (That handy little letter button on the right side of this post). I'll hold it open for 3 days from this post, so it'll end at THURSDAY 25 APRIL 2013, 14:00 UTC.

The Bathurst enduro is non-canon because it featured a Trabant from REECCS and it performed pretty good. Case closed.

This wrote:The Bathurst enduro is non-canon because it featured a Trabant from REECCS and it performed pretty good. Case closed.

Also REECCS itself is non-canon. Both good points.

F1RMGP Is non-cannon

Aerond wrote:F1RMGP Is non-cannon

I know we have a vote on and that's fine, but for me, this ends the discussion to be honest.

Aerond wrote:F1RMGP Is non-cannon

You're welcome to participate in the vote if you want to.

And the vote is now over. With a decisive result of 8-1 in favour of non-canon, F1RMGP will be removed from the list of canon series.

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:

Aerond wrote:F1RMGP Is non-cannon

You're welcome to participate in the vote if you want to.

You might have missed the joke.