Grand Prix Rejects

Posted: **08 Dec 2012, 07:21**

Since I couldn't find these stats anywhere, I compiled them myself by going through
the races from 1950-present.

Wet condition wins:

Michael Schumacher - 21 (23%)
Ayrton Senna - 13 (31,7%)
Jenson Button - 7 (46,6%)
Juan Manuel Fangio - 5 (20,8%)
Lewis Hamilton - 5 (23,8%)
Alain Prost - 5 (9,8%)

Alberto Ascari - 4 (30,7%)
Jackie Stewart - 4 (14,8%)
Fernando Alonso - 4 (13,3%)
Jim Clark - 3 (12%)
Stirling Moss - 3 (18,7%)
Carlos Reutemann - 3 (25%)

Emerson Fittipaldi - 3 (21,4%)
James Hunt - 3 (30%)
Jack Brabham - 3 (21,4%)
Nigel Mansell - 3 (9,6%)
Damon Hill - 3 (13,6%)
Sebastian Vettel - 3 (11,11%)

Graham Hill - 2 (14,2%)
Nelson Piquet - 2 (8,6%)
Gilles Villeneuve - 2 (33,3%)
Jacky Ickx - 2 (25%)
Niki Lauda - 2 (8%)
Felipe Massa - 2 (18,1%)

Rubens Barrichello - 2 (18,1%)
Thierry Boutsen - 2 (66,6%)
Heinz-Harald Frentzen - 2 (66,6%)
Kimi Raikkonen - 2 (10%)
Juan-Pablo Montoya - 1 (14,2%)
Giancarlo Fisichella - 1 (33,3%)

David Coulthard - 1 (7,6%)
Mika Hakkinen - 1 (5%)
Johnny Herbert - 1 (33,3%)
Olivier Panis - 1 (100%)
Keke Rosberg - 1 (20%)
Riccardo Patrese - 1 (16,6%)

Jacques Laffite - 1 (16,6%)
John Surtees - 1 (16,6%)
Peter Collins - 1 (33,3%)
Jose-Froilan Gonzalez - 1 (50%)
Johnnie Parsons - 1 (100%)
Wolfgang von Trips - 1 (50%)

Ronnie Peterson - 1 (10%)
Gunnar Nilsson - 1 (100%)
Mario Andretti - 1 (8,3%)
John Watson - 1 (20%)
Jean-Pierre Beltoise - 1 (100%)
Peter Revson - 1 (50%)

Clay Regazzoni - 1 (20%)
Vittorio Brambilla - 1 (100%)
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Drivers with 10+ wins, but no 'wet wins':
Alan Jones - 12
Jacques Villeneuve - 11
Gerhard Berger - 10
Jody Scheckter - 10

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Winner of the very first F1 race:
Giuseppe Farina, 13 may 1950 - Silverstone

Winner of F1 race #10:
Giuseppe Farina, 17 june 1951 - Spa-Francorchamps

Winner of F1 race #49:
Luigi Musso / Juan Manuel Fangio, 22 january 1956 - Buenos Aires

Winner of F1 race #100:
Stirling Moss, 6 august 1961 - Nurburgring

Winner of F1 race #200:
Jackie Stewart, 23 may 1971 - Monaco

Winner of F1 race #300:
Ronnie Peterson, 4 march 1978 - Kyalami

Winner of F1 race #400:
Niki Lauda, 19 august 1984 - Osterreichring

Winner of F1 race #500:
Nelson Piquet, 4 november 1990 - Adelaide

Winner of F1 race #600:
Jacques Villeneuve, 13 april 1997 - Buenos Aires

Winner of F1 race #700:
Giancarlo Fisichella, 6 april 2003 - Interlagos

Winner of F1 race #800:
Fernando Alonso, 28 september 2008 - Singapore

Winner of F1 race #900:
this will occur 22 races from now, most likely Sepang 2014.
Who will win it? My guess would be Hulkenberg.

Winner of F1 race #1000:
Hugo Hakkinen (Mika's son), 24 may 2020 - Monaco
You read it here first, people.
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Most wins in the 50s:
Juan Manuel Fangio - 22
runner-up
Alberto Ascari - 13

Most wins in the 60s:
Jim Clark - 25
runner-up
Graham Hill - 14

Most wins in the 70s:
Niki Lauda - 17
runner-up
Jackie Stewart - 16

Most wins in the 80s:
Alain Prost - 39
runner-up
Nelson Piquet - 20
Ayrton Senna - 20

Most wins in the 90s:
Michael Schumacher - 35
runner-up
Damon Hill - 22

Most wins in the 00s:
Michael Schumacher - 56
runner-up
Fernando Alonso - 21

Most wins in the 10s:
Sebastian Vettel - 21
runner-up
Lewis Hamilton - 10

just how many will Vettel take in the "10s"? Will he brake MS's record of 56?
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All-time worst qualifier (minimum 100 GP):
Philippe Alliot, average qualifying position - 18,1

All-time worst racer (minimum 100 GP):
Philippe Alliot, average finishing position - 16,05

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Drivers with 10+ wins and their qualifying stats versus their teammates:

Michael Schumacher, 227-78
Alain Prost, 135-67
Ayrton Senna, 140-18
Nigel Mansell, 92-97
Fernando Alonso, 147-50
Jackie Stewart, 69-27

Sebastian Vettel, 70-30
Jim Clark, 52-15
Niki Lauda, 93-80
Juan Manuel Fangio, 39-2
Nelson Piquet, 146-56
Damon Hill, 59-55

Lewis Hamilton, 78-31
Mika Hakkinen, 116-49
Kimi Raikkonen, 105-71
Stirling Moss, 24-7
Jenson Button, 98-131
Graham Hill, 88-44

Jack Brabham, 54-46
Emerson Fittipaldi, 60-31
Alberto Ascari, 21-4
David Coulthard, 82-165
Mario Andretti, 62-40
Carlos Reutemann, 87-51

Alan Jones, 56-36
Jacques Villeneuve, 98-67
Felipe Massa, 64-108
Rubens Barrichello, 168-158
James Hunt, 49-4
Ronnie Peterson, 74-32

Jody Scheckter, 39-40
Gerhard Berger, 99-107

Posted: **08 Dec 2012, 07:29**

Great work. Felipe Massa's qualifying stats are really bad, but I think this is due to his teammates (Schumacher, Räikkönen, Alonso). Fangio's 39-2 is really impressive.

Here is my list of Formula 1 constructors who never started a race:

1. Life 12 entries
2. Maki 8 entries
3. Kauhsen 2 entries
4. Fry 1 entry
-. Apollon 1 entry
-. McGuire 1 entry
-. Arzani-Volpini 1 entry
-. Cisitalia 1 entry

Posted: **09 Dec 2012, 17:24**

List of teams/constructors that scored most podiums, but no wins (by Stats F1, no Indy 500 included)

BAR - 15
Toyota - 13
Sauber - 10
Arrows - 8
Toleman, Lola (including all incarnations) and Prost - 3 (if you consider Copersucar and Fittipaldi as a 'single entity with different name', they also summed 3 podiums overall)
Talbot-Lago, Gordini, Surtees, Fittipaldi, Dallara/Scuderia Italia and Jaguar - 2
Lancia, Connaught, Copersucar, Onyx, Leyton House, Footwork and Force India - 1

Posted: **09 Dec 2012, 17:54**

FantometteBR wrote:List of teams/constructors that scored most podiums, but no wins

Nick Heidfeld Trophy?

Posted: **09 Dec 2012, 21:42**

The "Most wins per decade" fields should include a percentage of how many races were in each decade.

Posted: **09 Dec 2012, 22:50**

Cynon wrote:The "Most wins per decade" fields should include a percentage of how many races were in each decade.

1950-1959:
84 GP

1960-1969:
100 GP

1970-1979:
144 GP

1980-1989:
156 GP

1990-1999:
162 GP

2000-2009:
174 GP

2010-2012:
58 GP

Posted: **09 Dec 2012, 23:11**

Jocke1 wrote:
Cynon wrote:The "Most wins per decade" fields should include a percentage of how many races were in each decade.

1950-1959:
84 GP

1960-1969:
100 GP

1970-1979:
144 GP

1980-1989:
156 GP

1990-1999:
162 GP

2000-2009:
174 GP

2010-2012:
58 GP

Now I wonder which decade has had the most different winners per capita.

Posted: **09 Dec 2012, 23:21**

Now that's a thread that I have been waiting for! I tryed doing a simliar thing, but it didn't take off. This is way better than I could have ever done. I'll chip in with a few suggestions.

Longest time between race wins for a team.

Lowest place in the constructors championship, before winning the championship the following year.

Lowest place in the constructors championship, after wining the championship the previous year.

Least amount of points finishes after becoming world champion.

Posted: **09 Dec 2012, 23:23**

DOSBoot wrote:Least amount of points finishes after becoming world champion.

Sad to say, but surely this is Jochen Rindt?

Posted: **09 Dec 2012, 23:27**

FloProAct wrote:
DOSBoot wrote:Least amount of points finishes after becoming world champion.

Sad to say, but surely this is Jochen Rindt?

Probably, he is runner-up in least amount of career points for a world champion with 109. Right behind Phil Hill with 98. Of course, the points system was different back then.

Posted: **10 Dec 2012, 00:42**

Cynon wrote:Now I wonder which decade has had the most different winners per capita.

Good idea.

1950-1959:
24 different winners

Juan Manuel Fangio
Alberto Ascari
Stirling Moss
Tony Brooks
Nino Farina
Peter Collins
Mike Hawthorn
Jack Brabham
Jose Froilan Gonzalez
Maurice Trintignant
Bill Vukovich
Jocke Bonnier
Jim Bryan
Luigi Fagioli
Pat Flaherty
Sam Hanks
Bruce McLaren
Luigi Musso
Johnnie Parsons
Troy Ruttman
Bob Sweikert
Piero Taruffi
Lee Wallard
Rodger Ward

1960-1969:
21 different winners

Jim Clark
Graham Hill
Jack Brabham
Jackie Stewart
John Surtees
Denny Hulme
Dan Gurney
Stirling Moss
Phil Hill
Jacky Ickx
Bruce McLaren
Wolfgang von Trips
Giancarlo Baghetti
Lorenzo Bandini
Richie Ginther
Innes Ireland
Jim Rathmann
Jochen Rindt
Pedro Rodriguez
Ludovico Scarfiotti
Jo Siffert

1970-1979:
29 different winners

Niki Lauda
Jackie Stewart
Emerson Fittipaldi
Mario Andretti
James Hunt
Ronnie Peterson
Jody Scheckter
Carlos Reutemann
Jacky Ickx
Alan Jones
Clay Regazzoni
Jochen Rindt
Gilles Villeneuve
Denny Hulme
Jacques Laffite
Patrick DePailler
Peter Revson
Jean-Pierre Beltoise
Jack Brabham
Vittorio Brambilla
Francois Cevert
Peter Gethin
Jean-Pierre Jabouille
Jochen Mass
Gunnar Nilsson
Carlos Pace
Pedro Rodriguez
Jo Siffert
John Watson

1980-1989:
21 different winners

Alain Prost
Nelson Piquet
Ayrton Senna
Nigel Mansell
Niki Lauda
Rene Arnoux
Alan Jones
Michele Alboreto
Gerhard Berger
Keke Rosberg
John Watson
Jacques Laffite
Didier Pironi
Carlos Reutemann
Thierry Boutsen
Elio de Angelis
Riccardo Patrese
Patrick Tambay
Gilles Villeneuve
Jean-Pierre Jabouille
Alessandro Nannini

1990-1999:
17 different winners

Michael Schumacher
Damon Hill
Ayrton Senna
Nigel Mansell
Mika Hakkinen
Alain Prost
Jacques Villeneuve
David Coulthard
Gerhard Berger
Eddie Irvine
Riccardo Patrese
Heinz-Harald Frentzen
Johnny Herbert
Nelson Piquet
Jean Alesi
Thierry Boutsen
Olivier Panis

2000-2009:
17 different winners

Michael Schumacher
Fernando Alonso
Kimi Raikkonen
Rubens Barrichello
Lewis Hamilton
Felipe Massa
Jenson Button
David Coulthard
Juan Pablo Montoya
Mika Hakkinen
Ralf Schumacher
Sebastian Vettel
Giancarlo Fisichella
Mark Webber
Heikki Kovalainen
Robert Kubica
Jarno Trulli

2010-2012:
8 different winners

Sebastian Vettel
Lewis Hamilton
Fernando Alonso
Jenson Button
Mark Webber
Pastor Maldonado
Kimi Raikkonen
Nico Rosberg

Posted: **10 Dec 2012, 02:01**

DOSBoot wrote:Now that's a thread that I have been waiting for! I tryed doing a simliar thing, but it didn't take off. This is way better than I could have ever done. I'll chip in with a few suggestions.
Longest time between race wins for a team.

I would suggest Ligier, as a continuous entity, as opposed to Mercedes, which wasn't. And their winless streak was what, 15 years?

Lowest place in the constructors championship, after wining the championship the previous year.

Ferrari, 1980, surely?

Posted: **10 Dec 2012, 02:24**

dinizintheoven wrote:I would suggest Ligier, as a continuous entity, as opposed to Mercedes, which wasn't. And their winless streak was what, 15 years?

According to wikipedia, it was between September 27th, 1981 with Jaques Laffite winning the Canadian GP, and May 19, 1996 with Olivier Panis at the Monaco GP. A little over 15 years.

Posted: **10 Dec 2012, 03:15**

dinizintheoven wrote:
DOSBoot wrote:Lowest place in the constructors championship, after wining the championship the previous year.

Ferrari, 1980, surely?

Actually, that would be Vanwall in 1959.

Posted: **10 Dec 2012, 08:00**

Great stats Jocke! Could you also do wet pole positions and fastest laps?

Posted: **10 Dec 2012, 14:01**

Wet conditions are quite difficult to analyze sometimes.

For example, in Michael Schumacher's case these wins are obvious:
1992 Belgium, 1995 Belgium-Europe-Japan, 1996 Spain, 1997 Monaco-France-Belgium, 1998 Britain, 2000 Europe-Canada-USA, 2001 Malaysia, 2002 Britain, 2003 USA, 2006 China. That's 16, so 5 missing.

For Senna
1985 Portugal-Belgium, 1988 Britain-Germany, 1989 Belgium, 1990 Canada, 1991 San Marino-Australia, 1993 Brazil-Europe-Japan. 11, so 2 missing.

Even for Hamilton I count
2007 Japan, 2008 Monaco-Britain and 2010 Belgium, a total of 4.

Button is one I can agree.
2006 Hungary, 2009 Malaysia, 2010 Australia-China, 2011 Canada-Hungary, 2012 Brazil

Posted: **10 Dec 2012, 16:22**

Bleu wrote:Wet conditions are quite difficult to analyze sometimes.

For example, in Michael Schumacher's case these wins are obvious:
1992 Belgium, 1995 Belgium-Europe-Japan, 1996 Spain, 1997 Monaco-France-Belgium, 1998 Britain, 2000 Europe-Canada-USA, 2001 Malaysia, 2002 Britain, 2003 USA, 2006 China. That's 16, so 5 missing.

The way I compiled these 'wet wins stats' was, that even the smallest of rain drops for even just five minutes of a Grand Prix, is considered a 'wet win'. Even a wet/dry win was included as a 'wet win' in this particular compilation above.

Your 5 missing for MS:
Sepang 2004:
By the second lap, rain started to fall and cars were starting to lose traction on the dry tyres.

A1 Ring 2003:
After 15 laps rain fell on parts of the track.

Suzuka 2000:
Light rain throughout the race.

Buenos Aires 1998:
Light rain towards the end of the race. MS and several others went off-track.

Montreal 1994:
Rain began to fall down at mid-distance and on lap 40 Irvine spun off at the last corner.

Bleu wrote:For Senna
1985 Portugal-Belgium, 1988 Britain-Germany, 1989 Belgium, 1990 Canada, 1991 San Marino-Australia, 1993 Brazil-Europe-Japan. 11, so 2 missing.

Your 2 missing for Senna:

Interlagos 1991:
It began to rain during the last couple of laps.

Suzuka 1988:
The track became wet towards the middle and the end of the race.

Bleu wrote:Even for Hamilton I count
2007 Japan, 2008 Monaco-Britain and 2010 Belgium, a total of 4.

Your 1 missing for Hamilton:

Istanbul 2010:
The expected rain only manifested as a light drizzle in the latter phase of the race.

Bleu wrote:Button is one I can agree.
2006 Hungary, 2009 Malaysia, 2010 Australia-China, 2011 Canada-Hungary, 2012 Brazil

thanks

Posted: **10 Dec 2012, 18:07**

Another interesting stat comes from there: http://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiques/ ... cutif.aspx

Notice

- De Crasheris holds gold and bronze, only Capelli sandwiched between our hero
- An Italian Top 5 (or 6)
- Three WDCs in list

Posted: **10 Dec 2012, 19:56**

FantometteBR wrote:Another interesting stat comes from there: http://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiques/ ... cutif.aspx

Notice

- De Crasheris holds gold and bronze, only Capelli sandwiched between our hero
- An Italian Top 5 (or 6)
- Three WDCs in list

And no active drivers. Ultra-reliability is annoying.

Posted: **10 Dec 2012, 21:20**

pi314159 wrote:
FantometteBR wrote:Another interesting stat comes from there: http://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiques/ ... cutif.aspx

Notice

- De Crasheris holds gold and bronze, only Capelli sandwiched between our hero
- An Italian Top 5 (or 6)
- Three WDCs in list

And no active drivers. Ultra-reliability is annoying.

Can be, but if there wasn't (of if there was that time), could imagine the tons of drivers that could get more results?

Posted: **11 Dec 2012, 12:15**

I would have only classified a race as "wet" if inters or full wet tyres had to be used by any car at any point of the race. Not if there was a brief drizzle which burned off as soon as it hit the track!

Posted: **11 Dec 2012, 12:30**

FantometteBR wrote:Another interesting stat comes from there: http://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiques/ ... cutif.aspx

Notice

- De Crasheris holds gold and bronze, only Capelli sandwiched between our hero
- An Italian Top 5 (or 6)
- Three WDCs in list

As Vitantonio Liuzzi is the only driver on that list from the 2000s, what on earth was he doing in the middle of 2007?

Posted: **11 Dec 2012, 12:45**

tristan1117 wrote:
FantometteBR wrote:Another interesting stat comes from there: http://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiques/ ... cutif.aspx

Notice

- De Crasheris holds gold and bronze, only Capelli sandwiched between our hero
- An Italian Top 5 (or 6)
- Three WDCs in list

As Vitantonio Liuzzi is the only driver on that list from the 2000s, what on earth was he doing in the middle of 2007?

Having crashes and hydraulic failures.

Posted: **28 Mar 2013, 19:34**

Vettel moves up the list at the top of the page, with his 3rd wet condition win at Malaysia. Improves to 11,11%.

Posted: **31 Mar 2013, 11:59**

Sutil is slowly but surely climbing the ladder of drivers with the most Grand Prix without a podium finish.

After the Malaysian GP, Sutil has now competed in 92 Grand Prix. And no podium finish yet.
This places him in fifth spot of all time (leader of active drivers).

Three more GP without a podium, and Sutil will tie Katayama for 4th place on the all-time list.
Six more GP and he will tie Pedro Diniz for 3rd place.

Seventeen more GP (co-incidentally the exact number of races left of the 2013 season) and he will tie Alliot for 2nd place.

So if Sutil isn't able to reach the podium in any race this season, he will start the 2014 season only behind Pierluigi Martini.
Needing nine GP without a podium to tie Martini, and then one more to become the leader of this most rejectful statistic.

I mean, forget chasing for a WDC or a GP win. Destiny has reserved that only for a select few drivers in F1 history.
And forget chasing for a single point in a career, cough cough Luca cough.

A podium finish is what every average driver dreams of. To be able to stand there with a trophy and spray the champagne in front of your team, and take part in the press conference. Will Sutil realize this goal?

I, for one, hope he will not make it.
Not because I have anything against him or his glass-cutting persona.
It would just be really amazing if he were to be the new "Podium-less" King of Formula 1, some time in the middle of next season.

Since we were cheated out of Nick Heidfeld becoming the Win-less King of F1 (he stopped as runner-up with 183 GP without a win, behind De Cesaris' 208 GP),
I have a feeling that we will see Sutil break the Podium-less record. Things have to even themselves out.

Most Grand Prix without a Podium Finish:

1 MARTINI Pierluigi 118
2 ALLIOT Philippe 109
3 DINIZ Pedro 98
4 KATAYAMA Ukyo 95
5 SUTIL Adrian 92
6 PALMER Jonathan 83
7 SURER Marc 81
8 LIUZZI Vitantonio 80
9 GHINZANI Piercarlo 76
10 NAKAJIMA Satoru 74
11 COMAS Erik 59

Posted: **31 Mar 2013, 13:28**

Jocke1 wrote:So if Sutil isn't able to reach the podium in any race this season, he will start the 2014 season only behind Pierluigi Martini.
Needing nine GP without a podium to tie Martini, and then one more to become the leader of this most rejectful statistic.

I mean, forget chasing for a WDC or a GP win. Destiny has reserved that only for a select few drivers in F1 history.
And forget chasing for a single point in a career, cough cough Luca cough.

In my opinion, the most rejectful record is held by Claudio Langes: most entries without qualifying for a race (14 failures to pre-qualify).

I wouldn't like to see Sutil break this record as there are worse drivers who have had a podium (such as De Cesaris and Nelsinho Piquet).

Posted: **05 Apr 2013, 12:58**

Meatwad wrote:
I wouldn't like to see Sutil break this record as there are worse drivers who have had a podium (such as De Cesaris and Nelsinho Piquet).

The annoying thing is, that if Sutil hadn't felt compelled to break a champagne glass in 2011 and slice a guys neck open, he would claim this record for himself some time this summer. But alas...

Posted: **05 Apr 2013, 16:10**

Jocke1 wrote:
Meatwad wrote:
I wouldn't like to see Sutil break this record as there are worse drivers who have had a podium (such as De Cesaris and Nelsinho Piquet).

The annoying thing is, that if Sutil hadn't felt compelled to break a champagne glass in 2011 and slice a guys neck open, he would claim this record for himself some time this summer. But alas...

Some say that he might have taken the McLaren seat instead of Perez. That is assuming he would have stayed at FI and beaten whoever would have been his team-mate.

Posted: **05 Apr 2013, 18:36**

Well looking at the two teams currently it could be said Sutil is more likely to gain a podium in a Force India than McLaren this season... :lol:

Posted: **06 Apr 2013, 03:05**

Jocke1 wrote:Since I couldn't find these stats anywhere, I compiled them myself by going through
the races from 1950-present.

Wet condition wins:

Michael Schumacher - 21 (23%)
Ayrton Senna - 13 (31,7%)
Jenson Button - 7 (46,6%)
Juan Manuel Fangio - 5 (20,8%)
Lewis Hamilton - 5 (23,8%)
Alain Prost - 5 (9,8%)

Alberto Ascari - 4 (30,7%)
Jackie Stewart - 4 (14,8%)
Jim Clark - 3 (12%)
Stirling Moss - 3 (18,7%)
Carlos Reutemann - 3 (25%)
Emerson Fittipaldi - 3 (21,4%)

James Hunt - 3 (30%)
Jack Brabham - 3 (21,4%)
Fernando Alonso - 3 (10%)
Nigel Mansell - 3 (9,6%)
Damon Hill - 3 (13,6%)
Sebastian Vettel - 3 (11,11%)

Graham Hill - 2 (14,2%)
Nelson Piquet - 2 (8,6%)
Gilles Villeneuve - 2 (33,3%)
Jacky Ickx - 2 (25%)
Niki Lauda - 2 (8%)
Felipe Massa - 2 (18,1%)

Rubens Barrichello - 2 (18,1%)
Thierry Boutsen - 2 (66,6%)
Heinz-Harald Frentzen - 2 (66,6%)
Kimi Raikkonen - 1 (5,2%)
Juan-Pablo Montoya - 1 (14,2%)
Giancarlo Fisichella - 1 (33,3%)

A few mistakes as far as I can see..Hamilton with five wet race victories? I can remember only 4: Fuji '07, Monaco '08, Silverstone '08 and Spa '10...

Also Alonso doesn't have 3 wet race victories, he has 4. Nurburgring '07, Korea '10, Silverstone '11 and Sepang '12.

And Raikkonen has 2 wet race victories, not 1. He won Spa '05 and Shanghai '07.

Posted: **06 Apr 2013, 07:30**

wsrgo wrote: A few mistakes as far as I can see..Hamilton with five wet race victories? I can remember only 4: Fuji '07, Monaco '08, Silverstone '08 and Spa '10...

Also Alonso doesn't have 3 wet race victories, he has 4. Nurburgring '07, Korea '10, Silverstone '11 and Sepang '12.

And Raikkonen has 2 wet race victories, not 1. He won Spa '05 and Shanghai '07.

Hamilton:
Belgium 2010
Turkey 2010 (you missed this one, there was light drizzle in the latter phase of the race)
Britain 2008
Monaco 2008
Japan 2007

Alonso:
Europe 2007
South Korea 2010
Malaysia 2012
Britain 2011 (you're right, I didn't notice it when compiling because I only looked for races where it was some kind of downpour, this race started with a wet track but never had downpour. I added this win to Alonso's total. Thanks, well spotted.)

Raikkonen:
China 2007
Belgium 2005 (again same as alonso, well spotted, thanks for making the list more complete)

Posted: **06 Apr 2013, 07:44**

Jocke1 wrote:
wsrgo wrote: A few mistakes as far as I can see..Hamilton with five wet race victories? I can remember only 4: Fuji '07, Monaco '08, Silverstone '08 and Spa '10...

Also Alonso doesn't have 3 wet race victories, he has 4. Nurburgring '07, Korea '10, Silverstone '11 and Sepang '12.

And Raikkonen has 2 wet race victories, not 1. He won Spa '05 and Shanghai '07.

Hamilton:
Belgium 2010
Turkey 2010 (you missed this one, there was light drizzle in the latter phase of the race)
Britain 2008
Monaco 2008
Japan 2007

Alonso:
Europe 2007
South Korea 2010
Malaysia 2012
Britain 2011 (you're right, I didn't notice it when compiling because I only looked for races where it was some kind of downpour, this race started with a wet track but never had downpour. I added this win to Alonso's total. Thanks, well spotted.)

Raikkonen:
China 2007
Belgium 2005 (again same as alonso, well spotted, thanks for making the list more complete)

I'd thought that Istanbul was the one you were counting, but I didn't consider the rain to be enough to be classified as a wet race..nobody changed tyres..

Still great compilation, especially the fact that you did it manually. Superb!!

Posted: **15 Apr 2013, 21:01**

Interesting statistic after the Chinese GP:

F1 Top 5 finishes:

1. Michael Schumacher - 183
2. Fernando Alonso - 122
3. Alain Prost - 121

Posted: **06 May 2013, 03:35**

Here's a stat which made me go

"Nico Rosberg scored his last pole position [before Bahrain] 371 days ago, at the 2012 Chines Grand Prix. Remarkably, his father Keke Rosberg had the exact same number of days between his two most recent pole positions at the 1985 British and 1986 German Grands Prix."
-by renowned f1fanatic.co.uk statistician @andae23 from the Netherlands.

Posted: **06 May 2013, 10:05**

I would love to have a look at the statistics for win by car numbers. I suspect that 5 would come out higher than 1 as I can recall quite a few championships being won by car number 5 when the world champion has struggled to drag inferior equipment round/lost desire/moved to a less competitive team. It would be interesting to see the spike in wins for number 22 after Lewis Hamilton's and Jenson Button's championship winning years. Has a number 22 car won a race outside of the years 2008/2009?

Posted: **06 May 2013, 10:10**

BabyG wrote:I would love to have a look at the statistics for win by car numbers. I suspect that 5 would come out higher than 1 as I can recall quite a few championships being won by car number 5 when the world champion has struggled to drag inferior equipment round/lost desire/moved to a less competitive team. It would be interesting to see the spike in wins for number 22 after Lewis Hamilton's and Jenson Button's championship winning years. Has a number 22 car won a race outside of the years 2008/2009?

http://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiques/numero/victoire/nombre.aspx

Posted: **06 May 2013, 18:04**

IIRC, 1 and 5 respective number of wins used to go very close together until some guy called Shoemaker started to win every year.

Posted: **06 May 2013, 18:28**

Any numbers without a win? (Appart from 13)

Posted: **06 May 2013, 18:30**

WeirdKerr wrote:Any numbers without a win? (Appart from 13)

Highest one apart from 13 that doesn't have a win is 29.

Posted: **07 May 2013, 21:17**

darkapprentice77 wrote:
BabyG wrote:I would love to have a look at the statistics for win by car numbers. I suspect that 5 would come out higher than 1 as I can recall quite a few championships being won by car number 5 when the world champion has struggled to drag inferior equipment round/lost desire/moved to a less competitive team. It would be interesting to see the spike in wins for number 22 after Lewis Hamilton's and Jenson Button's championship winning years. Has a number 22 car won a race outside of the years 2008/2009?

http://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiques/numero/victoire/nombre.aspx

Excellent! Anyone care to try to explain why 5 has had such a large number of wins? It is a consistently successful number - its not just one driver contributing to its number of wins and the number 5 has won a race almost every year since the 1990s. One explanation is that you are likely to be driving for a competitive team and be the number one driver in that team, but why are the numbers so much greater than for number 3?

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