Unusual F1 Stats

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 08 Aug 2013, 16:35

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Here's an interesting one with regards to overtaking

http://cliptheapex.com/overtaking

This is not surprising to me.

Ben Gilbert · Post by **Ben Gilbert** » 08 Aug 2013, 16:45

FullMetalJack wrote:Not necessarily an unusual stat, but one that F1 Rejects got wrong.

Piercarlo Ghinzani doesn't have the record for fewest points per race. I think that belongs to Olivier Grouillard.

1 point in 64 races is worse than 2 points in 111 races. Especially since he should have scored points for Tyrrell.

Actually, there is someone with an even worse average than Olivier Grouillard's: Gabriele Tarquini.

1 point in 78 races. 79 if we count him as being entered for the 1989 Brazilian GP with FIRST.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 08 Aug 2013, 17:09

Ben Gilbert wrote:
FullMetalJack wrote:Not necessarily an unusual stat, but one that F1 Rejects got wrong.

Piercarlo Ghinzani doesn't have the record for fewest points per race. I think that belongs to Olivier Grouillard.

1 point in 64 races is worse than 2 points in 111 races. Especially since he should have scored points for Tyrrell.

Actually, there is someone with an even worse average than Olivier Grouillard's: Gabriele Tarquini.

1 point in 78 races. 79 if we count him as being entered for the 1989 Brazilian GP with FIRST.

I can't believe I forgot him.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 08 Aug 2013, 17:55

Klon wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:Here's an interesting one with regards to overtaking

The site asks you to register. If you link to a site that forces you to register for content please provide at least a general overview of what the link contains. I for my part disliking clicking only to find that there is nothing there (I'm not registering for a site before I know what is the content).

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 16 Aug 2013, 13:50

Formula One Drivers With Over 10 Career Victories by Number of Home Grand Prix Victories

'Home Grand Prix' in this case means the grand prix of the nationality they raced under - so Nico Rosberg's home grand prix is the German Grand Prix. European Grands Prix, US West, Pacific Grands Prix, etc. are not counted as home grands prix, even if won by a driver from the country hosting the grand prix. So in the years there was a Spanish Grand Prix at Catalunya and a European Grand Prix at Valencia, only the Spanish Grand Prix would count for Fernando Alonso. Don't like my methodology? Feel free to sit and work out the stats in a way which pleases you.

Alain Prost 6
Jim Clark 5
Michael Schumacher 4
Nigel Mansell 4
Juan Manuel Fangio 4
Ayrton Senna 2
Fernando Alonso 2
Jackie Stewart 2
Nelson Piquet 2
Stirling Moss 2
Emerson Fittipaldi 2
Alberto Ascari 2
David Coulthard 2
Felipe Massa 2
Sebastian Vettel 1
Niki Lauda 1
Lewis Hamilton 1
Damon Hill 1
James Hunt 1

Intersting that no Brazilian driver has won any more or less than 2 grands prix in Brazil.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 08 Sep 2013, 11:35

Mclaren took the first and last drivers titles in the Grooved Tire era Of F1

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 09 Sep 2013, 02:32

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Mclaren took the first and last drivers titles in the Grooved Tire era Of F1

Brabham won the first and last races in the fan car era.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 09 Sep 2013, 04:01

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Mclaren took the first and last drivers titles in the Grooved Tire era Of F1

Brabham won the first and last races in the fan car era.

Panis won the first and last race in the Panis era.

apple2009 · Post by **apple2009** » 09 Sep 2013, 04:05

Jocke1 wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Mclaren took the first and last drivers titles in the Grooved Tire era Of F1

Brabham won the first and last races in the fan car era.

Panis won the first and last race in the Panis era.

Chilton will win the first and last race in the Chilton era.

watka · Post by **watka** » 09 Sep 2013, 20:48

Just did a little research on Sebastian Vettel, specifically the VETTELWINSLOL assumption.

Vettel has led the first lap of a GP 38 times
Vettel has converted first lap leads to victories 25 times
So when Vettel leads the first lap, there is around a 66% likelihood he'll win.

Looking at it another way, Vettel has won 32 GPs.
So 78% of his victories have come when leading the first lap.

I'll need to do some further analysis to see how this compares to other drivers.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 09 Sep 2013, 20:57

Alonso must be smarting. He has been in F1 for 12 years and has won a lot yet a bloke who has been in F1 for exactly half that time has already won the same amount of races as him (32) and is set to go even further.

Remember I found out that Vettel has never won at a certain track for 3 successive years: Singapore is next...

Post by **Ataxia** » 09 Sep 2013, 21:04

good_Ralf wrote:Alonso must be smarting. He has been in F1 for 12 years and has won a lot yet a bloke who has been in F1 for exactly half that time has already won the same amount of races as him (32) and is set to go even further.

Hmm...I'm almost 100% sure Martin Brundle said exactly the same thing.

The only person Alonso needs to look out for is himself. If he keeps looking over at Vettel, he'll get distracted. Last season, he was making the best of his situation...he needs to do the same now.

watka · Post by **watka** » 09 Sep 2013, 21:37

OK, so for the current drivers in on the grid:

Sebastian Vettel
Total times led lap 1: 39
Total wins after leading lap 1: 26
Total wins: 32

Percentage conversion of lap 1 leads to wins: 67%
Percentage of wins coming from lap 1 leads: 81%

Lewis Hamilton
Total times led lap 1: 28
Total wins after leading lap 1: 15
Total wins: 22

Percentage conversion of lap 1 leads to wins: 54%
Percentage of wins coming from lap 1 leads: 68%

Nico Rosberg
Total times led lap 1: 6
Total wins after leading lap 1: 2
Total wins: 3

Percentage conversion of lap 1 leads to wins: 33%
Percentage of wins coming from lap 1 leads: 67%

Jenson Button
Total times led lap 1: 9
Total wins after leading lap 1: 5
Total wins: 15

Percentage conversion of lap 1 leads to wins: 56%
Percentage of wins coming from lap 1 leads: 33%

Fernando Alonso
Total times led lap 1: 25
Total wins after leading lap 1: 14
Total wins: 32

Percentage conversion of lap 1 leads to wins: 56%
Percentage of wins coming from lap 1 leads: 44%

Mark Webber
Total times led lap 1: 5
Total wins after leading lap 1: 4
Total wins: 9

Percentage conversion of lap 1 leads to wins: 80%
Percentage of wins coming from lap 1 leads: 44%

Felipe Massa
Total times led lap 1: 18
Total wins after leading lap 1: 9
Total wins: 11

Percentage conversion of lap 1 leads to wins: 50%
Percentage of wins coming from lap 1 leads: 82%

Kimi Raikkonen
Total times led lap 1: 18
Total wins after leading lap 1: 6
Total wins: 20

Percentage conversion of lap 1 leads to wins: 33%
Percentage of wins coming from lap 1 leads: 30%

Pastor Maldonado
Total times led lap 1: 0
Total wins after leading lap 1: 0
Total wins: 1

Percentage conversion of lap 1 leads to wins: 0%
Percentage of wins coming from lap 1 leads: 0%

In layman's terms (ignoring Maldonado):

Most likely to WINLOL:
1. Mark WEBBER
2. Sebastian VETTEL
3. Fernando ALONSO
4. Jenson BUTTON
5. Lewis HAMILTON
6. Felipe MASSA
=7. Nico ROSBERG
=7. Kimi RAIKKONEN

Most likely to storm through the grid to victory:
1. Kimi RAIKKONEN
2. Jenson BUTTON
3. Fernando ALONSO
4. Mark WEBBER
5. Nico ROSBERG
6. Lewis HAMILTON
7. Sebastian VETTEL
8. Felipe MASSA

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 09 Sep 2013, 21:55

Ataxia wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:Alonso must be smarting. He has been in F1 for 12 years and has won a lot yet a bloke who has been in F1 for exactly half that time has already won the same amount of races as him (32) and is set to go even further.

Hmm...I'm almost 100% sure Martin Brundle said exactly the same thing.

Must be coincidence: I don't have Sky.

apple2009 · Post by **apple2009** » 09 Sep 2013, 22:07

Interesting stats, watka.

watka · Post by **watka** » 09 Sep 2013, 23:19

apple2009 wrote:Interesting stats, watka.

Thanks. It backs up why Raikkonen has always been one of my favourite drivers.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 12 Sep 2013, 19:42

Here is quite an unusual F1 stat. According to SVT1 this morning, Kimi was WDC in 2009.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 12 Sep 2013, 19:47

Jocke1 wrote:Here is quite an unusual F1 stat. According to SVT1 this morning, Kimi was WDC in 2009.

I can see why.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 12 Sep 2013, 22:46

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Mclaren took the first and last drivers titles in the Grooved Tire era Of F1

Brabham won the first and last races in the fan car era.

Well, that era was only one race!

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 13 Sep 2013, 07:22

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Mclaren took the first and last drivers titles in the Grooved Tire era Of F1

Brabham won the first and last races in the fan car era.

Well, that era was only one race!

Oh you.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 13 Sep 2013, 09:03

Jocke1 wrote:Here is quite an unusual F1 stat. According to SVT1 this morning, Kimi was WDC in 2009.

Who is the news reader.... she looks hot...

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 13 Sep 2013, 18:29

WeirdKerr wrote: Who is the news reader.... she looks hot...

AnnaMaria Jansson.

Here you go:
http://www.svtplay.se/video/1456764/12-9-09-05-textat

Kimi-segment @ 3:24

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 13 Sep 2013, 19:21

Jocke1 wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote: Who is the news reader.... she looks hot...

AnnaMaria Jansson.

Here you go:
http://www.svtplay.se/video/1456764/12-9-09-05-textat

Kimi-segment @ 3:24

video seems to be blocked outside Sweden that or I have too much ikea furniture....

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 14 Sep 2013, 06:50

WeirdKerr wrote: video blocked

That's so rude.

ryangregg12345 · Post by **ryangregg12345** » 05 Oct 2013, 12:14

With the end of the season coming close, 2013 could be the most historic year in Formula One history, seeing that no polesitter has retired from a Grand Prix yet this year, and Max "Chily" Chilton has finished every race in his debut season so far despite being at the bottom of the standings. Neither of these things have ever happened before (not counting 2004 where Schumi Two (Ralf, of course) took pole in Canada and finished second behind his big bro only to be disqualified afterwards), and these could be two important additions to the F1 History Tree. :mrgreen:

Speaking of polesitter DNF's, we came close to a 100% finishing record from pole in 2011, until the penultimate round in Abu Dhabi, where Vettel, with the title already clinched, led into the first turn from pole only for his tyre to go bang at the worst of moments.

And, in 2007, Heikki 'Angry Birds' Kovalainen could have been the first driver to finish every race in his debut season, had it not been for that crash at the halfway point of the season finale in Brazil, just 36 laps short of the achievement.

Two branches of F1 history are currently sprouting from the History Tree and will be fully grown if both these achievements are fulfilled by season's end. :mrgreen:

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 05 Oct 2013, 12:20

merge
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Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 05 Oct 2013, 12:22

Erm, interesting. I think there are more historic seasons though :lol:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 05 Oct 2013, 12:29

Dark77 wrote:Erm, interesting. I think there are more historic seasons though

How dare you! Mr Talent potentially getting a record in his debut year makes this the most historic of seasons

ryangregg12345 · Post by **ryangregg12345** » 05 Oct 2013, 18:24

Here's a few unusual stats for you;

Finishing positions (excluding Indy 500)
First driver to finish 20th in a Grand Prix: Eric Brandon, Cooper-Bristol, 1952 British Grand Prix
First driver to finish 21st in a Grand Prix: Tony Crook, Frazer Nash-Bristol, 1952 British Grand Prix
First driver to finish 22nd in a Grand Prix: Alan Brown, Cooper-Bristol, 1952 British Grand Prix
First driver to finish 23rd in a Grand Prix: Narain Karthikeyan, HRT-Cosworth, 2011 Chinese Grand Prix
First driver to finish 24th in a Grand Prix: Narain Karthikeyan, HRT-Cosworth, 2012 European Grand Prix

Driver births
First driver ever born: Philippe Étancelin (28/Dec/1896)
First British driver ever born: Bill Aston (29/Mar/1900)
First race winner ever born: Luigi Fagioli (09/Jun/1898)
First non-European driver ever born: Chet Miller (19/Jul/1902)
First non-European non-Indy driver ever born: Eitel Cantoni (04/Oct/1906)
First World Champion ever born: Nino Farina (30/Oct/1906)
First two drivers ever born on the same date: Joe Fry & Ray Crawford (26/Oct/1916)
First driver born in September (my birth month!

): Philip Fotheringham-Parker (22/Sep/1907)

Oh, and do not forget that this October 27th is the 100th birthday of Luigi Piotti, the 1957 Reversed Qualifying Champion!

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 27 Oct 2013, 14:23

Post-India -

sorted by (%)

1. Jenson Button - 944 of 949 laps completed (99.5%) - 1 DNF
2. Sebastian Vettel - 938 of 949 laps completed (98.8%) - 1 DNF
3. Sergio Perez - 934 of 949 laps completed (98.4%) - 2 DNF
4. Kimi Raikkonen - 929 of 949 laps completed (97.9%) - 1 DNF
5. Max Chilton - 927 of 949 laps completed (97.7%) - 0 DNF

6. Valtteri Bottas - 915 of 949 laps completed (96.4%) - 1 DNF
7. Lewis Hamilton - 902 of 949 laps completed (95.0%) - 1 DNF
8. Fernando Alonso - 894 of 949 laps completed (94.2%) - 1 DNF
9. Nico Rosberg - 876 of 949 laps completed (92.3%) - 3 DNF
10. Mark Webber - 867 of 949 laps completed (91.4%) - 3 DNF

11. Pastor Maldonado - 864 of 949 laps completed (91.0%) - 3 DNF
12. Daniel Ricciardo - 861 of 949 laps completed (90.7%) - 4 DNF
13. Nico Hulkenberg - 858 of 949 laps completed (90.4%) - 2 DNF
14. Romain Grosjean - 850 of 949 laps completed (89.6%) - 3 DNF
15. Esteban Gutierrez - 843 of 949 laps completed (88.8%) - 3 DNF

16. Felipe Massa - 841 of 949 laps completed (88.6%) - 2 DNF
17. Jules Bianchi - 821 of 949 laps completed (86.5%) - 3 DNF
18. Adrian Sutil - 809 of 949 laps completed (85.2%) - 3 DNF
19. Charles Pic - 802 of 949 laps completed (84.5%) - 3 DNF
20. Paul Di Resta - 801 of 949 laps completed (84.4%) - 6 DNF
21. Jean-Eric Vergne - 794 of 949 laps completed (83.7%) - 5 DNF
22. Giedo van der Garde - 753 of 949 laps completed (79.3%) - 4 DNF

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 27 Oct 2013, 14:31

Another German 1-2 the second of the year
First time a Mercedes has come 2nd this year and only the 2nd time since they returned after Monaco last year

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 28 Oct 2013, 21:11

3 races to go, Abu Dhabi, Austin & Interlagos.

If Kimi Raikkonen scores a podium in all three events, he will tie Ayrton Senna for career podiums this season.
Senna had 80. Kimi sits at 77.

Liquid · Post by **Liquid** » 28 Oct 2013, 22:00

Gerhard Berger's win at the 1997 German Grand Prix was unusual in many ways.

It was Berger's last win.
It was Benetton's last win.
Berger's first win was at Mexico 1986, the same race where he also took Benetton's first win.
It was Benetton's only win as an Italian team.
It was the first non-Ferrari win for an 'Italian' constructor since Maserati at the 1957 German Grand Prix.

Liberal usage with the last one, but still... quite interesting none-the-less.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 28 Oct 2013, 22:06

Jocke1 wrote:3 races to go, Abu Dhabi, Austin & Interlagos.

If Kimi Raikkonen scores a podium in all three events, he will tie Ayrton Senna for career podiums this season.
Senna had 80. Kimi sits at 77.

But Senna was racing when I was twelve and Raikkonen wasn't, so Senna's still better.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 29 Oct 2013, 13:55

Has anyone apart from Schumacher in 2002 managed to complete every lap of the season? I know Heidfeld and Raikkonen have got mighty close in recent years, but has anyone actually managed it?

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 29 Oct 2013, 14:33

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Has anyone apart from Schumacher in 2002 managed to complete every lap of the season? I know Heidfeld and Raikkonen have got mighty close in recent years, but has anyone actually managed it?

I think Vettel is on course this season but I can't remember.

Post by **tommykl** » 29 Oct 2013, 14:37

roblomas52 wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:Has anyone apart from Schumacher in 2002 managed to complete every lap of the season? I know Heidfeld and Raikkonen have got mighty close in recent years, but has anyone actually managed it?

I think Vettel is on course this season but I can't remember.

Nope. Vettel retired in Britain

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 29 Oct 2013, 14:49

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Has anyone apart from Schumacher in 2002 managed to complete every lap of the season? I know Heidfeld and Raikkonen have got mighty close in recent years, but has anyone actually managed it?

Heidfeld finished all 18 races in 2008 but was lapped in Monaco (4 times) and Brazil so was 5 laps short and Raikkonen of course missed out in Brazil being a lap down there last year. Button is the closest to 100% laps this year just 5 short again

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 29 Oct 2013, 17:50

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:3 races to go, Abu Dhabi, Austin & Interlagos.

If Kimi Raikkonen scores a podium in all three events, he will tie Ayrton Senna for career podiums this season.
Senna had 80. Kimi sits at 77.

But Senna was racing when I was twelve and Raikkonen wasn't, so Senna's still better.

By that logic Derek Warwick > Kimi Raikkonen?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 29 Oct 2013, 18:04

Backmarker wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:3 races to go, Abu Dhabi, Austin & Interlagos.

If Kimi Raikkonen scores a podium in all three events, he will tie Ayrton Senna for career podiums this season.
Senna had 80. Kimi sits at 77.

But Senna was racing when I was twelve and Raikkonen wasn't, so Senna's still better.

By that logic Derek Warwick > Kimi Raikkonen?

By that logic, Taki Inoue and Jean-Denis Deletraz are better than Raikkonen?!