Bleu wrote:Williams duo's qualifying battle in 2002 was quite strange.
Over the season, JPM won the battle 9-8. That's pretty close. The strange thing is that Montoya managed to get 7 pole positions, so he was faster of the two only twice when he was not on the pole. Those were 2nd place in Sepang and 4th place in Indianapolis.
Meanwhile, when Ralf was faster, he didn't get a pole, and even on the front row he was only twice. (Austria and Germany)
This shoes some inconsistency at Williams in '02. You wonder what was up...
Bleu wrote:Williams duo's qualifying battle in 2002 was quite strange.
Over the season, JPM won the battle 9-8. That's pretty close. The strange thing is that Montoya managed to get 7 pole positions, so he was faster of the two only twice when he was not on the pole. Those were 2nd place in Sepang and 4th place in Indianapolis.
Meanwhile, when Ralf was faster, he didn't get a pole, and even on the front row he was only twice. (Austria and Germany)
This shoes some inconsistency at Williams in '02. You wonder what was up...
What was up was that they had two drivers who were not the complete package.
Sebastian Vettel wrote:If I was good at losing I wouldn't be in Formula 1.
I am trying to figure out which 3 drivers have been on the podium together the most often.
My suspicion is it will be Michael Schumacher along with some combination of drivers from the late 90's early 2000's. (Coulthard, Hakkinen, Barrichello?)
Shadaza wrote:I am trying to figure out which 3 drivers have been on the podium together the most often.
My suspicion is it will be Michael Schumacher along with some combination of drivers from the late 90's early 2000's. (Coulthard, Hakkinen, Barrichello?)
Here is 2003-2013 (I will post the rest later):
1. Vettel / Alonso / Webber - 11 times
2. Button / Webber / Vettel - 7 times
3. Alonso / Massa / Raikkonen - 6 times
4. Vettel / Button / Alonso - 6 times
5. Raikkonen / Alonso / Hamilton - 5 times
6. Schumacher / Alonso / Raikkonen - 5 times
7. Massa / Alonso / Hamilton - 5 times
8. Massa / Hamilton / Raikkonen - 5 times
9. Schumacher / Barrichello / Raikkonen - 5 times
10. Montoya / Raikkonen / Alonso - 4 times
11. Schumacher / Barrichello / Button - 4 times
12. Schumacher / Barrichello / Alonso - 4 times
13. Button / Vettel / Hamilton - 4 times
then there is too many to mention with 3 or less...
Shadaza wrote:I am trying to figure out which 3 drivers have been on the podium together the most often.
My suspicion is it will be Michael Schumacher along with some combination of drivers from the late 90's early 2000's. (Coulthard, Hakkinen, Barrichello?)
Vettel Webber and Alonso have shared the podium 11 times of the current field
Spain 10 (WEB ALO VET) Hungary 10 (WEB ALO VET) Singapore 10 (ALO VET WEB) Japan 10 (VET WEB ALO) Brazil 10 (VET WEB ALO) Turkey 11 (VET WEB ALO) Europe 11 (VET ALO WEB) Britain 11 (ALO VET WEB) Britain 12 (WEB ALO VET) Korea 12 (VET WEB ALO) India 12 (VET ALO WEB)
The podium order VET WEB ALO has happened 4 times alongside Senna Prost and Boutsen. Also happening 4 times is Hakkinen Coulthard and Schumacher and also Schumacher Coulthard and Barrichello
Shadaza wrote:I am trying to figure out which 3 drivers have been on the podium together the most often.
My suspicion is it will be Michael Schumacher along with some combination of drivers from the late 90's early 2000's. (Coulthard, Hakkinen, Barrichello?)
Here is 2003-2013 (I will post the rest later):
1. Vettel / Alonso / Webber - 11 times
2. Button / Webber / Vettel - 7 times
3. Alonso / Massa / Raikkonen - 6 times
4. Vettel / Button / Alonso - 6 times
5. Raikkonen / Alonso / Hamilton - 5 times
6. Schumacher / Alonso / Raikkonen - 5 times
7. Massa / Alonso / Hamilton - 5 times
8. Massa / Hamilton / Raikkonen - 5 times
9. Schumacher / Barrichello / Raikkonen - 5 times
10. Montoya / Raikkonen / Alonso - 4 times
11. Schumacher / Barrichello / Button - 4 times
12. Schumacher / Barrichello / Alonso - 4 times
13. Button / Vettel / Hamilton - 4 times
then there is too many to mention with 3 or less...
I'll name some
Rosberg Vettel Webber has happened Twice (Malaysia 2010 and Monaco 2013) We've only had 1 race where Vettel Hamilton and Alonso were on the podium together (USA 2012) Hamilton Alonso Webber has happened Once (Germany 2011) So has Alonso Massa Webber (Europe 2007) Hamilton Raikkonen Webber (Hungary 2009) Schumacher Hakkinen and Barrichello only happened Once (Britain 2001) Massa Hamilton Kubica happened Twice (Monaco 2008 Europe 2008)
The Schumacher Brothers and Barrichello shared 4 podiums (Australia 2000 France 2001 San Marino 2002 Hungary 2002) If you count Canada 2004 where Ralf was disqualified it should be 5.
The Schumacher Brothers and Montoya shared 4 podiums (Malaysia 2002 Germany 2002 Canada 2003 France 2003)
There have been several races where the same drivers finish on the podium for two successive races or more.
Since 1998:
France and Britain 1998 - M Schumacher, Häkkinen and Irvine
Malaysia and Japan 1999 - Häkkinen, M Schumacher and Irvine
San Marino and Britain 2000 - Coulthard, M Schumacher and Häkkinen
France, Austria and Germany 2000 - Coulthard, Häkkinen and Barrichello
Belgium and Italy 2000 - Häkkinen, M Schumacher and R Schumacher
Malaysia 2000, Australia and Malaysia 2001 - M Schumacher, Barrichello and Coulthard
Europe and Canada 2004 - M Schumacher, Barrichello and Button (although Ralf and Monty finished ahead of Button in Montreal before their DSQ)
Britain and Canada 2006 - Alonso, M Schumacher and Räikkönen (worse still, the top five finished in exactly the same order for those races with 1) Alonso 2) M Schumacher 3) Räikkönen 4) Fisichella 5) Massa)
Australia and Malaysia 2007 - Räikkönen, Alonso and Hamilton
Spain and Monaco 2007 - Alonso, Hamilton and Massa
China and Brazil 2007 - Räikkönen, Massa and Alonso
Spain and Turkey 2008 - Massa, Räikkönen and Hamilton
Singapore and Japan 2010 - Vettel, Alonso and Webber
Europe and Britain 2011 - Alonso, Vettel and Webber
Korea and India 2012 when F1 was starting to get sooooooo boring (until that sensational Abu Dhabi round)- Vettel, Webber, Alonso
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Allard Kalff in 1994 wrote:OH!! Schumacher in the wall! Right in front of us, Michael Schumacher is in the wall! He's hit the pitwall, he c... Ah, it's Jos Verstappen.
Jocke1 wrote:Most race laps in Formula One (1950-present)
1. Michael Schumacher - 16 824 2. Rubens Barrichello - 16 643 3. Jenson Button - 12 450
Bulletproof Ferrari. Rubens always seemed to get the short straw on retirements, plus was in Stewarts and Jordans while Schumi was in Benetton and Ferrari, then the unreliable Hondas. Not to mention his Sao Paolo curse.
PT8475 wrote:Bulletproof Ferrari. Rubens always seemed to get the short straw on retirements, plus was in Stewarts and Jordans while Schumi was in Benetton and Ferrari, then the unreliable Hondas. Not to mention his Sao Paolo curse.
Here are the Ferrari retirement stats
2000
M Schumacher: 4 Barrichello: 4
2001
M Schumacher: 2 Barrichello: 4
2002
M Schumacher: 0 Barrichello: 3 (discounting Spain)
2003
M Schumacher: 1 Barrichello: 5
2004
M Schumacher: 1 Barrichello: 1
2005
M Schumacher: 6 Barrichello: 2
Total
M Schumacher: 14 Barrichello: 19
The only season in which Schumacher suffered more retirements than Barrichello was visibly 2005, when Michael had dreadful luck. The gap between the two wasn't as big as I and some of you thought.
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Allard Kalff in 1994 wrote:OH!! Schumacher in the wall! Right in front of us, Michael Schumacher is in the wall! He's hit the pitwall, he c... Ah, it's Jos Verstappen.
All of these modern-era drivers never led a single lap in their F1 careers, although some of them scored podiums.
Brundle Cheever Verstappen de la Rosa Diniz Katayama Liuzzi S Nakajima Modena Wurz Morbidelli Suzuki Lehto Blundell Kobayashi ! Petrov Badoer Klien D Daly...
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Allard Kalff in 1994 wrote:OH!! Schumacher in the wall! Right in front of us, Michael Schumacher is in the wall! He's hit the pitwall, he c... Ah, it's Jos Verstappen.
Of the 24 drivers starting the 1978 Belgian GP, 15 had already won at least one GP (Andretti, Brambilla, Depailler, Fittipaldi, Hunt, Ickx, Jones, Laffite, Lauda, Mass, Peterson, Regazzoni, Reutemann, Scheckter and Watson), 5 later became GP winners (Arnoux, Jabouille, Patrese, Pironi, Villeneuve) and only 4 never won a Grand Prix (Stommelen, Stuck, Giacomelli, Lunger).
pasta_maldonado wrote:The stewards have recommended that Alan Jones learns to drive.
pi314159 wrote:Of the 24 drivers starting the 1978 Belgian GP, 15 had already won at least one GP (Andretti, Brambilla, Depailler, Fittipaldi, Hunt, Ickx, Jones, Laffite, Lauda, Mass, Peterson, Regazzoni, Reutemann, Scheckter and Watson), 5 later became GP winners (Arnoux, Jabouille, Patrese, Pironi, Villeneuve) and only 4 never won a Grand Prix (Stommelen, Stuck, Giacomelli, Lunger).
Only 1 never stood on the podium either (Lunger who never scored a point)
pi314159 wrote:Of the 24 drivers starting the 1978 Belgian GP, 15 had already won at least one GP (Andretti, Brambilla, Depailler, Fittipaldi, Hunt, Ickx, Jones, Laffite, Lauda, Mass, Peterson, Regazzoni, Reutemann, Scheckter and Watson), 5 later became GP winners (Arnoux, Jabouille, Patrese, Pironi, Villeneuve) and only 4 never won a Grand Prix (Stommelen, Stuck, Giacomelli, Lunger).
Only 1 never stood on the podium either (Lunger who never scored a point)
Also the DNQing Rosberg would later win races. In fact, the only 'rejects' in this race weekend were Lunger, Keegan (DNQ) and Colombo (DNPQ).
good_Ralf wrote:All of these modern-era drivers never led a single lap in their F1 careers, although some of them scored podiums.
Brundle Cheever Verstappen de la Rosa Diniz Katayama Liuzzi S Nakajima Modena Wurz Morbidelli Suzuki Lehto Blundell Kobayashi ! Petrov Badoer Klien D Daly...
good_Ralf wrote:All of these modern-era drivers never led a single lap in their F1 careers, although some of them scored podiums.
Brundle Cheever Verstappen de la Rosa Diniz Katayama Liuzzi S Nakajima Modena Wurz Morbidelli Suzuki Lehto Blundell Kobayashi ! Petrov Badoer Klien D Daly...
Wurz led British GP 1997 after Schumacher slowed down to retire. However, he pitted at the end of that lap so that Villeneuve was leading when they went through finish line next time.
Bleu wrote:Wurz led British GP 1997 after Schumacher slowed down to retire. However, he pitted at the end of that lap so that Villeneuve was leading when they went through finish line next time.
Yeah, I remember a discussion about this topic a few years ago at the Farzad's F1 Gallery Boards. Someone uploaded a picture of the TV feed with the classic Tag Heuer graphics reading "Wurz, Benetton Renault, 1" to demonstrate that he had led on the track.
Go home, Bernie Ecclestone!
"There will be no other victory this year, I can tell you, more welcomed than this one" Bob Varsha, 1995 Canadian GP
Bleu wrote:Wurz led British GP 1997 after Schumacher slowed down to retire. However, he pitted at the end of that lap so that Villeneuve was leading when they went through finish line next time.
Yeah, I remember a discussion about this topic a few years ago at the Farzad's F1 Gallery Boards. Someone uploaded a picture of the TV feed with the classic Tag Heuer graphics reading "Wurz, Benetton Renault, 1" to demonstrate that he had led on the track.
good_Ralf wrote:The only season in which Schumacher suffered more retirements than Barrichello was visibly 2005, when Michael had dreadful luck. The gap between the two wasn't as big as I and some of you thought.
How about botched pit stops? Always got the feeling that 99% of ferrari's errors [even if they were rare] were with Rubens
Of the 24 drivers starting the 1978 Belgian GP, 15 had already won at least one GP (Andretti, Brambilla, Depailler, Fittipaldi, Hunt, Ickx, Jones, Laffite, Lauda, Mass, Peterson, Regazzoni, Reutemann, Scheckter and Watson), 5 later became GP winners (Arnoux, Jabouille, Patrese, Pironi, Villeneuve) and only 4 never won a Grand Prix (Stommelen, Stuck, Giacomelli, Lunger).
I think you forgot Fisichella, 2005 and 2006 and a few others.
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Allard Kalff in 1994 wrote:OH!! Schumacher in the wall! Right in front of us, Michael Schumacher is in the wall! He's hit the pitwall, he c... Ah, it's Jos Verstappen.
I think you forgot Fisichella, 2005 and 2006 and a few others.
Well, Montoya won a few in 2005, as did Massa in 2006...
Whoops, was busy paying attention to the race.
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Allard Kalff in 1994 wrote:OH!! Schumacher in the wall! Right in front of us, Michael Schumacher is in the wall! He's hit the pitwall, he c... Ah, it's Jos Verstappen.
I forti sopravivono wrote:Years when the team-mate(s) of the world champion didn't win a single race.
1982 (Daly)
Having said that, Rosberg had only won one race that year himself, so that stat by itself is nothing to be ashamed of.
I forti sopravivono wrote:Years when the team-mate(s) of the world champion didn't win a single race.
1972 (Walker)
However, not scoring a single point while your teammate is World Champion may be shameful...
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
dinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
I forti sopravivono wrote:Years when the team-mate(s) of the world champion didn't win a single race.
1982 (Daly)
Having said that, Rosberg had only won one race that year himself, so that stat by itself is nothing to be ashamed of.
And Daly could have won Monaco.
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Allard Kalff in 1994 wrote:OH!! Schumacher in the wall! Right in front of us, Michael Schumacher is in the wall! He's hit the pitwall, he c... Ah, it's Jos Verstappen.
I forti sopravivono wrote:Years when the team-mate(s) of the world champion didn't win a single race.
1982 (Daly)
Having said that, Rosberg had only won one race that year himself, so that stat by itself is nothing to be ashamed of.
And Daly could have won Monaco.
Was that the one which nobody wanted to win, and everybody was binning it on the final lap? 1982 really was an eventful year, wasn't it?!
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
dinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
giraurd wrote:Well looking at the two teams currently it could be said Sutil is more likely to gain a podium in a Force India than McLaren this season...
After his near miss in Britain recently, Adrian (the Pianist as I like to call him) has now gone 98 races without a podium and is tied with Pedro Diniz.
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Allard Kalff in 1994 wrote:OH!! Schumacher in the wall! Right in front of us, Michael Schumacher is in the wall! He's hit the pitwall, he c... Ah, it's Jos Verstappen.
takagi_for_the_win wrote:Heres an interesting stat I saw on twitter- McLaren have failed to win the championship in every year that they have made an episode of tooned
So I'm not the only person on here who follows Bad F1 Stats on Twitter.
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
Earlier I was looking at Giancarlo Fisichellas career stats, and I noticed something peculiar about the teams he drove for: 1996: Minardi 1997: Jordan (Team Silverstone) 1998-2001: Benetton (Team Enstone) 2002-2003: Jordan (Team Silverstone) 2004; Sauber 2005-2007: Renault (Team Enstone) 2008-2009: Force India (Team Silverstone) 2009: Ferrari
So if we ignore the half seasons spent at Minardi and Ferrari, and the season at Sauber, Fisico spent his entire career shuttling between Silverstone and Enstone
