Unusual F1 Stats

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 16 Mar 2014, 22:10

Ferrim wrote:And while Damon's father was a world champion, Jacques' wasn't, exactly the same for Nico and Kevin respectively. Of course we cannot compare Gilles' and Jan's careers, but still is striking...

So this means Rosberg Jr. is going to become 2014 world champion, after a year of domination only contested by his teammate, and their main opposition being the current champion, a German in a car not as good as theirs? Time will tell, but I was already ruing not having bet on Rosberg when he was 20/1 and this only makes it worse!

And don't forget that the German current reigning champion had just come off the back of consecutive titles, which began with their first title...

Jocke1 wrote:So when will Jan launch his music career?

More pertinently, when will he spout out opinions that people don't care about or just don't agree with?

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 17 Mar 2014, 02:28

If you want the real parallel, it's Kevin that will be having the musical career...

...though if any F1 driver from recent times was going to do so, I'd prefer it if it was Heikki Kovalainen. And it's not as if he'll have much else to do this year.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 17 Mar 2014, 04:57

I added the F1 grid's driver numbers, Hamilton's 44, Sutil's 99 and so on.
The twentytwo driver numbers combined, produce the three digit number 483.

And so, naturally, as I always do I looked to the heavens to see if there was some sort of significance to this number.
And yes, you can actually draw some pretty strong parallels between 'being an F1 driver', and the
'Angel Numbers'.

Angel Number 483:

Angel Number 483 suggests that the patience, discipline and hard work you have put into achieving your goals and aspirations have been acknowledged by the higher realms. Your determination and work done well in the past is bringing you rewards today. Your angels encourage you to keep up the great work in order to continue to achieve and attain your desired results and outcomes. As you work diligently towards achieving your goals you will find success on many levels.

This is eerily similar to an F1 career, or even a motorsport career in general. Start out in the lower formulaes, progress through the rankings and series, make yourself seen and heard amongst the higher realms (team bosses), and you will succeed. Angels = Managers.

Angel Number 483 tells you that your requests and prayers for assistance with the financial aspects of your life have been heard and are being responded to and answered by the angels, Ascended Masters and Archangels. Keeping a positive attitude and consciously manifesting abundance (eg. using positive affirmations) will attract all that you need to maintain and sustain you along your path. Expect money to come from unexpected sources, and little miracles to take place in your life every day.

This fits in quite well with the F1 drivers. Let's face it, none of them has money problems in real life, outside of the track.
Unexpected sources = Sponsors.

If you are being prompted to begin or expand a spiritually-based practice, career and/or profession (or any other work that helps others), Angel Number 483 suggests that it is a great time to look to pursuing this avenue of work. Trust that you have all the skills, talents and abilities to succeed at whatever you put your heart and soul towards, and remember to express yourself in ways that are fulfilling and uplifting to you and others. If feeling any fears, doubts or concerns, call upon the angels for guidance and support.

"A spiritually-based practice, career and/or profession (or any other work that helps others)."
^^All I can say is, Ayrton Senna.

"Trust that you have all the skills, talents and abilities to succeed at whatever you put your heart and soul towards, and remember to express yourself in ways that are fulfilling and uplifting to you and others."
^^This is indeed what a true Formula 1 driver should stand for, being talented and being courteous and professional towards the team, fans and sponsors.
I think you can all agree with me that there is no greater representative of this credo in F1 today and in modern sport today, than Max Chilton.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 17 Mar 2014, 21:30

Interesting fact I found:

Australia 2014 marks the first time Toro Rosso was over Red Bull in the WCC since Malaysia 2009.

Should I say ouch... or say wow... :lol:

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 17 Mar 2014, 22:16

Aerospeed wrote:Interesting fact I found:

Australia 2014 marks the first time Toro Rosso was over Red Bull in the WCC since Malaysia 2009.

Should I say ouch... or say wow...

This is the WCC table according to the BBC

1) McLaren - 33
2) Mercedes - 25
3) Ferrari - 18
4) Williams - 10
5) Force India - 9
6) Toro Rosso - 6
7) Sauber - 0
8) Marussia - 0
9) Lotus - 0
10) Caterham - 0
11) Red Bull - 0

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 17 Mar 2014, 22:48

good_Ralf wrote:
This is the WCC table according to the BBC

1) McLaren - 33
2) Mercedes - 25
3) Ferrari - 18
4) Williams - 10
5) Force India - 9
6) Toro Rosso - 6
7) Sauber - 0
8) Marussia - 0
9) Lotus - 0
10) Caterham - 0
11) Red Bull - 0

More than an attempt to join in a "beat them when their down" party, there is some logic behind that table. Since Red Bull did the least laps of all the teams thanks to Vettel 3 lonely laps (Ricciardo doesn't count as he was DSQ) they are correctly placed last in the table. The second to last team was Caterham since Ericsson managed to do 27 laps, Lotus did a best of 43 laps in Grosjean so they come in 9th. Marussia has their 13th thanks to Max Chilton and Sauber has an 11th courtesy of Sutil.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 21 Mar 2014, 09:36

I just read that the average age of the 2014 F1 drivers (26,59), is the lowest in the history of the sport.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 21 Mar 2014, 09:59

Jocke1 wrote:I just read that the average age of the 2014 F1 drivers (26,59), is the lowest in the history of the sport.

You're right. Previously it was Sepang 2013 (Hulk didn't start in Melbourne).

Sublime_FA11C · Post by **Sublime_FA11C** » 21 Mar 2014, 11:25

DanielPT wrote:More than an attempt to join in a "beat them when their down" party, there is some logic behind that table. Since Red Bull did the least laps of all the teams thanks to Vettel 3 lonely laps (Ricciardo doesn't count as he was DSQ) they are correctly placed last in the table. The second to last team was Caterham since Ericsson managed to do 27 laps, Lotus did a best of 43 laps in Grosjean so they come in 9th. Marussia has their 13th thanks to Max Chilton and Sauber has an 11th courtesy of Sutil.

That is absolutelly hillarious. I mean absolutely correct. Actually it's both. And rejectfull to boot!

The official F1 website team list reflects it as well: http://www.formula1.com/teams_and_drivers/teams/

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 24 Mar 2014, 01:29

In FP3 of this year's Australian GP weekend, Nico Rosberg managed to outrun almost all of the 2004 cars in the speedtrap, and was on par with what the 2004 cars could cook up with their 900 bhp V10s.

2014 Rosberg: 320.3 km/h

The only drivers who could better that speed were the 2 Ferrari drivers Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello.

2004 Barrichello: 320.7
2004 Schumacher: 320.4

Sublime_FA11C · Post by **Sublime_FA11C** » 24 Mar 2014, 06:47

Scary. The new batch still have a large downforce shortfall which is expected to be taken care of as the year progresses. Only the added weight will remain...
But it seems that having extra power but reduced cornering grip/speed makes for closer racing. Really looking forward to the next few races and i hope rules are left alone for a while.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 26 Mar 2014, 11:08

Podiums:

1. Michael Schumacher 155
2. Alain Prost 106
3. Fernando Alonso 95
4. Ayrton Senna 80
5. Kimi Raikkonen 77
6. Rubens Barrichello 68
7. David Coulthard 62
8. Sebastian Vettel 62
9. Nelson Piquet 60
10. Nigel Mansell 59
11. Niki Lauda 54
12. Lewis Hamilton 54
13. Mika Hakkinen 51
14. Jenson Button 50
15. Gerhard Berger 48

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 28 Mar 2014, 14:35

Might we see a Lotus DNQ tomorrow?

DNQs since 2000:

*Australia 2012:
Pedro de la Rosa
Narain Karthikeyan

*Australia 2011:
Vitantonio Liuzzi
Narain Karthikeyan

*Germany 2002:
Alex Yoong

*France 2002:
Heinz-Harald Frentzen
Enrique Bernoldi

*Britain 2002:
Alex Yoong

*San Marino 2002:
Alex Yoong

*Britain 2001:
Tarso Marques

DNQs All-Time:

1. Gabriele Tarquini 40
2. Bertrand Gachot 37
3. Roberto Moreno 33
4. Piercarlo Ghinzani 32
5. Arturo Merzario 27
6. Bernd Schneider 25
7. Nicola Larini 25
8. Yannick Dalmas 25
9. Eric van de Poele 24
10. Stefan Johansson 24
11. Aguri Suzuki 22
12. Michele Alboreto 21
13. Olivier Grouillard 21
14. Paul Belmondo 20
15. Alex Caffi 19
16. Jan Lammers 18
17. Brian Henton 17
18. Hector Rebaque 17
19. Pierre-Henri Raphanel 16
20. Derek Daly 15
21. Beppe Gabbiani 14
22. Chico Serra 14
23. Claudio Langas 14
24. Derek Warwick 14
25. Gregor Foitek 14

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Mar 2014, 16:37

Jocke1 wrote:Might we see a Lotus DNQ tomorrow?

DNQs since 2000:

*Australia 2012:
Pedro de la Rosa
Narain Karthikeyan

*Australia 2011:
Vitantonio Liuzzi
Narain Karthikeyan

*Germany 2002:
Alex Yoong

*France 2002:
Heinz-Harald Frentzen
Enrique Bernoldi

*Britain 2002:
Alex Yoong

*San Marino 2002:
Alex Yoong

*Britain 2001:
Tarso Marques

DNQs All-Time:

1. Gabriele Tarquini 40
2. Bertrand Gachot 37
3. Roberto Moreno 33
4. Piercarlo Ghinzani 32
5. Arturo Merzario 27
6. Bernd Schneider 25
7. Nicola Larini 25
8. Yannick Dalmas 25
9. Eric van de Poele 24
10. Stefan Johansson 24
11. Aguri Suzuki 22
12. Michele Alboreto 21
13. Olivier Grouillard 21
14. Paul Belmondo 20
15. Alex Caffi 19
16. Jan Lammers 18
17. Brian Henton 17
18. Hector Rebaque 17
19. Pierre-Henri Raphanel 16
20. Derek Daly 15
21. Beppe Gabbiani 14
22. Chico Serra 14
23. Claudio Langas 14
24. Derek Warwick 14
25. Gregor Foitek 14

Considering Grosjean's best lap was 1.1 faster than Marussia and under 3 seconds behind Rosberg then if Maldonado's car completes a lap then probably not.

I love reading the 107% rule wikipedia page though

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 28 Mar 2014, 21:20

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:I love reading the 107% rule wikipedia page though

Just been to read that page for the first time. I always forget that it was introduced while Forti were still around - I keep thinking it was introduced for 1997, as MasterCard famously fell foul of the rule. Interesting to see that in 1996, there were a number of breaches of the rule and every single driver and team who did so were Italian!

watka · Post by **watka** » 29 Mar 2014, 00:10

Last Grand Prix victories by nation:

Germany - 2014 Australian Grand Prix (Nico Rosberg)
United Kingdom - 2013 Hungarian Grand Prix (Lewis Hamilton)
Spain - 2013 Spanish Grand Prix (Fernando Alonso)
Finland - 2013 Australian Grand Prix (Kimi Raikkonen)
Australia - 2012 British Grand Park (Mark Webber)
Venezuela - 2012 Spanish Grand Prix (Pastor Maldonado)
Brazil - 2009 Italian Grand Prix (Rubens Barrichello)
Poland - 2008 Canadian Grand Prix (Robert Kubica)
Italy - 2006 Malaysian Grand Prix (Giancarlo Fisichella)
Colombia - 2005 Brazilian Grand Prix (Juan Pablo Montoya)
Canada - 1997 Luxembourg Grand Prix (Jacques Villeneuve)
Austria - 1997 German Grand Prix (Gerhard Berger)
France - 1996 Monaco Grand Prix (Olivier Panis)
Belgium - 1990 Hungarian Grand Prix (Thierry Boutsen)
Argentina - 1981 Belgian Grand Prix (Carlos Reutemann)
South Africa - 1979 Italian Grand Prix (Jody Scheckter)
Switzerland - 1979 British Grand Prix (Clay Regazzoni)
United States - 1978 Dutch Grand Prix (Mario Andretti)
Sweden - 1978 Austrian Grand Prix (Ronnie Peterson)
New Zealand - 1974 Argentine Grand Prix (Denny Hulme)
Mexico - 1970 Belgian Grand Prix (Pedro Rodriguez)

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 31 Mar 2014, 10:03

watka wrote:Last Grand Prix victories by nation:
Sweden - 1978 Austrian Grand Prix (Ronnie Peterson)

This will change in 2014.

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 31 Mar 2014, 10:38

watka wrote:Last Grand Prix victories by nation:

Venezuela - 2012 Spanish Grand Prix (Pastor Maldonado)

This won't.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 04 Apr 2014, 11:10

Most race laps in Formula 1

1. Michael Schumacher ------------ 16,824
2. Rubens Barrichello -------------- 16,643
3. Jenson Button ------------------ 13,252
4. David Coulthard ---------------- 12,394
5. Jarno Trulli --------------------- 12,368
6. Fernando Alonso --------------- 12,114
7. Giancarlo Fisichella ----------- 11,500
8. Riccardo Patrese -------------- 11,403
9. Mark Webber ------------------ 10,979
10. Felipe Massa ----------------- 10,694
11. Alain Prost ------------------- 10,545
12. Kimi Raikkonen ------------- 10,179
13. Nelson Piquet --------------- 9,854
14. Gerhard Berger ------------- 9,793
15. Nick Heidfeld --------------- 9,703
16. Jean Alesi ------------------- 9,656
17. Ralf Schumacher ----------- 9,165
18. Graham Hill ---------------- 8,791
19. Michele Alboreto ---------- 8,779
20. Nigel Mansell -------------- 8,755
21. Jacques Villeneuve ------- 8,314
22. Ayrton Senna -------------- 8,219
23. Niki Lauda ----------------- 8,217
24. Thierry Boutsen ---------- 8,044
25. Jacques Laffite ---------- 8,002

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 05 Apr 2014, 23:19

Webber versus Vettel in qualifying 2013:
2 - 17

Ricciardo versus Vettel 2014:
2 - 1

So Daniel has already equalled what Webber managed in qualifying last year.
I heard it mentioned during the broadcast and thought it was worth posting.

AustralianStig · Post by **AustralianStig** » 05 Apr 2014, 23:52

Jocke1 wrote:Webber versus Vettel in qualifying 2013:
2 - 17

Ricciardo versus Vettel 2014:
2 - 1

So Daniel has already equalled what Webber managed in qualifying last year.
I heard it mentioned during the broadcast and thought it was worth posting.

As much as I love the statistic, does it officially count with Dan's penalty?

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 12 Apr 2014, 21:15

Carousel of the Year
The team that used the most drivers over the season.

1980: Ensign, Alfa Romero, Arrows (4)
1981: Osella (5)
1982: Williams, Lotus, March, Ferrari, Theodore (4)
1983: RAM, Arrows (4)
1984: Brabham, Tyrrell, Toleman (4)
1985: Tyrrell (5)
1986: Osella (4)
1987: Williams, Brabham, Osella (3)
1988: Williams, Lola (4)
1989: Rial (5)
1990: Brabham, Arrows, Lotus, Benetton, Dallara, Minardi, Onyx (3)
1991: Jordan (5)
1992: March, Andrea Moda (4)
1993: Jordan (6)
1994: Lotus, Larrousse, Simtek (6)
1995: McLaren, Pacific (4) (Broken Carousel of the Year: Larrousse, 0)
1996: Minardi (4)
1997: Sauber (4)
1998: Stewart (3)
1999: Ferrari, Minardi, BAR (3, technically)
2000: Jaguar (3, very technically)
2001: Prost (5)
2002: Sauber, Minardi (3)
2003: Williams, Jordan, Jaguar, BAR, Minardi (3)
2004: Williams, Toyota (4)
2005: McLaren (4)
2006: Super Aguri (4)
2007: Spyker (4)
2008: None; must have at least three drivers to be classified
2009: Ferrari (4)
2010: HRT (4)
2011: Renault, Sauber, Lotus, HRT (3)
2012: Lotus (3, very technically)
2013: Lotus (3)

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 12 Apr 2014, 21:45

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Carousel of the Year
The team that used the most drivers over the season.

1980: Ensign, Alfa Romero, Arrows (4)
1981: Osella (5)
1982: Williams, Lotus, March, Ferrari, Theodore (4)
1983: RAM, Arrows (4)
1984: Brabham, Tyrrell, Toleman (4)
1985: Tyrrell (5)
1986: Osella (4)
1987: Williams, Brabham, Osella (3)
1988: Williams, Lola (4)
1989: Rial (5)
1990: Brabham, Arrows, Lotus, Benetton, Dallara, Minardi, Onyx (3)
1991: Jordan (5)
1992: March, Andrea Moda (4)
1993: Jordan (6)
1994: Lotus, Larrousse, Simtek (6)
1995: McLaren, Pacific (4) (Broken Carousel of the Year: Larrousse, 0)
1996: Minardi (4)
1997: Sauber (4)
1998: Stewart (3)
1999: Ferrari, Minardi, BAR (3, technically)
2000: Jaguar (3, very technically)
2001: Prost (5)
2002: Sauber, Minardi (3)
2003: Williams, Jordan, Jaguar, BAR, Minardi (3)
2004: Williams, Toyota (4)
2005: McLaren (4)
2006: Super Aguri (4)
2007: Spyker (4)
2008: None; must have at least three drivers to be classified
2009: Ferrari (4)u
2010: HRT (4)
2011: Renault, Sauber, Lotus, HRT (3)
2012: Lotus (3, very technically)
2013: Lotus (3)

Good list but a few more i can think of the top of my head

2004 Renualt had Alonso Trulli and Villeneuve and Jordan used Heidfeld Pantano and Glock

2005 BAR Button Sato and Davidson
Minardi Albers Freisacher Doornbos
Redbull Coulthard Klien Luizzi

2006 Redbull Coulthard Klien Doornbos

2007 Bmw Heidfeld Kubica Vettel
Williams Rosberg Wurz Nakajima
Toro rosso Luizzi Speed Vettel

2009 Toyota Trulli Glock Kobayashi

2010 Sauber Kobayashi Delarosa hiedfeld

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 12 Apr 2014, 21:52

If I included everyone instead of just the winners, it would've been very long... trust me, it's better how it is.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 12 Apr 2014, 22:02

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:If I included everyone instead of just the winners, it would've been very long... trust me, it's better how it is.

Thinking about this, how many seasons have there been where almost every team has a driver change mid-season. 1994 springs to mind.

Williams: Senna tragically killed, replaced by Coulthard/Mansell
Benetton: Lehto recovering from injury, replaced by Verstappen, Schumacher suspended, replaced by Lehto
Ferrari: Alesi injured, replaced by Larini
McLaren: Hakkinen suspended, replaced by Alliot
Jordan: Irvine banned, replaced by Suzuki and de Cesaris
Ligier: Bernard sacked, replaced by Herbert then Lagorce
Sauber: Wendlinger injured, replaced by de Cesaris then Lehto
Larousse: Too many drivers
Simtek: Ratzenberger tragically killed, replaced by Montermini, Montermini injured, replaced by Gounon, Our Sacred Inoue and Schiatterella

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 13 Apr 2014, 14:33

good_Ralf wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:If I included everyone instead of just the winners, it would've been very long... trust me, it's better how it is.

Thinking about this, how many seasons have there been where almost every team has a driver change mid-season. 1994 springs to mind.

Williams: Senna tragically killed, replaced by Coulthard/Mansell
Benetton: Lehto recovering from injury, replaced by Verstappen, Schumacher suspended, replaced by Lehto
Ferrari: Alesi injured, replaced by Larini
McLaren: Hakkinen suspended, replaced by Alliot
Jordan: Irvine banned, replaced by Suzuki and de Cesaris
Ligier: Bernard sacked, replaced by Herbert then Lagorce
Sauber: Wendlinger injured, replaced by de Cesaris then Lehto
Larousse: Too many drivers
Simtek: Ratzenberger tragically killed, replaced by Montermini, Montermini injured, replaced by Gounon, Our Sacred Inoue and Schiatterella

Tyrell, Arrows, Minardi And Pacific didn't change drivers

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 14 Apr 2014, 12:25

WeirdKerr wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:If I included everyone instead of just the winners, it would've been very long... trust me, it's better how it is.

Thinking about this, how many seasons have there been where almost every team has a driver change mid-season. 1994 springs to mind.

Williams: Senna tragically killed, replaced by Coulthard/Mansell
Benetton: Lehto recovering from injury, replaced by Verstappen, Schumacher suspended, replaced by Lehto
Ferrari: Alesi injured, replaced by Larini
McLaren: Hakkinen suspended, replaced by Alliot
Jordan: Irvine banned, replaced by Suzuki and de Cesaris
Ligier: Bernard sacked, replaced by Herbert then Lagorce
Sauber: Wendlinger injured, replaced by de Cesaris then Lehto
Larousse: Too many drivers
Simtek: Ratzenberger tragically killed, replaced by Montermini, Montermini injured, replaced by Gounon, Our Sacred Inoue and Schiatterella

Tyrell, Arrows, Minardi And Pacific didn't change drivers

It always strikes me as a bit odd that in a season where many teams change drivers for financial reasons, Pacific remained loyal to its drivers throughout the entire season!

W12 · Post by **W12** » 14 Apr 2014, 15:33

Point scorers from different seasons under the 10-6-4-3-2-1 system:

1950: 27
1951: 24
1952: 27
1953: 23
1954: 32
1955: 29
1956: 33
1957: 26
1958: 26
1959: 24
1960: 27
1961: 17
1962: 19
1963: 17
1964: 22
1965: 16
1966: 20
1967: 21
1968: 24
1969: 18
1970: 25
1971: 22
1972: 21
1973: 21
1974: 20
1975: 21
1976: 20
1977: 21
1978: 21
1979: 21
1980: 21
1981: 21
1982: 26
1983: 20
1984: 20
1985: 20
1986: 19
1987: 21/22
1988: 17
1989: 29
1990: 18
1991: 24
1992: 19
1993: 22
1994: 25
1995: 18
1996: 16
1997: 19
1998: 17
1999: 18
2000: 16
2001: 18
2002: 18
2003: 18
2004: 15
2005: 21
2006: 16
2007: 18
2008: 17
2009: 17
2010: 15
2011: 13
2012: 16
2013: 14
2014 so far: 10

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 14 Apr 2014, 18:09

The no.8 is considered to be very lucky in China, so here are the results for car no.8 in China over the years.

2004: Alonso finishes 4th from 6th on the grid
2005: Pizzonia starts 13th and retires on the last lap of the last race of the year (and also of his career) with tyre failure
2006: Trulli qualifies 17th and retires while going nowhere
2007: Barrichello starts 16th and finishes 15th
2008: Nakajima starts 17th and finishes 12th
2009: Piquet Jr. starts and finishes 16th after several ignominious spins and nose changes
2010: Alonso finishes 4th from 3rd on the grid after jump starting
2011: Nico Rosberg starts 4th and finishes 5th, being a contender for the win mid-race
2012: Rosberg scores a first win from a first pole
2013: Grosjean starts 6th but slides to 9th

So fortunes are very well mixed in Shanghai as the driver can end up anywhere, from winning to being nowhere fast.
But in car no.8 in China this year is none other than... Romain Grosjean. Grosjean FTW on Sunday?

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 14 Apr 2014, 18:43

good_Ralf wrote:The no.8 is considered to be very lucky in China, so here are the results for car no.8 in China over the years.

2004: Alonso finishes 4th from 6th on the grid
2005: Pizzonia starts 13th and retires on the last lap of the last race of the year (and also of his career) with tyre failure
2006: Trulli qualifies 17th and retires while going nowhere
2007: Barrichello starts 16th and finishes 15th
2008: Nakajima starts 17th and finishes 12th
2009: Piquet Jr. starts and finishes 16th after several ignominious spins and nose changes
2010: Alonso finishes 4th from 3rd on the grid after jump starting
2011: Nico Rosberg starts 4th and finishes 5th, being a contender for the win mid-race
2012: Rosberg scores a first win from a first pole
2013: Grosjean starts 6th but slides to 9th

So fortunes are very well mixed in Shanghai as the driver can end up anywhere, from winning to being nowhere fast.
But in car no.8 in China this year is none other than... Romain Grosjean. Grosjean FTW on Sunday?

Difference this year is the driver chose the number rather than being given the number

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 14 Apr 2014, 20:21

WeirdKerr wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:The no.8 is considered to be very lucky in China, so here are the results for car no.8 in China over the years.

2004: Alonso finishes 4th from 6th on the grid
2005: Pizzonia starts 13th and retires on the last lap of the last race of the year (and also of his career) with tyre failure
2006: Trulli qualifies 17th and retires while going nowhere
2007: Barrichello starts 16th and finishes 15th
2008: Nakajima starts 17th and finishes 12th
2009: Piquet Jr. starts and finishes 16th after several ignominious spins and nose changes
2010: Alonso finishes 4th from 3rd on the grid after jump starting
2011: Nico Rosberg starts 4th and finishes 5th, being a contender for the win mid-race
2012: Rosberg scores a first win from a first pole
2013: Grosjean starts 6th but slides to 9th

So fortunes are very well mixed in Shanghai as the driver can end up anywhere, from winning to being nowhere fast.
But in car no.8 in China this year is none other than... Romain Grosjean. Grosjean FTW on Sunday?

Difference this year is the driver chose the number rather than being given the number

Well, that's obviously why he picked it.

watka · Post by **watka** » 15 Apr 2014, 12:18

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:The no.8 is considered to be very lucky in China, so here are the results for car no.8 in China over the years.

2004: Alonso finishes 4th from 6th on the grid
2005: Pizzonia starts 13th and retires on the last lap of the last race of the year (and also of his career) with tyre failure
2006: Trulli qualifies 17th and retires while going nowhere
2007: Barrichello starts 16th and finishes 15th
2008: Nakajima starts 17th and finishes 12th
2009: Piquet Jr. starts and finishes 16th after several ignominious spins and nose changes
2010: Alonso finishes 4th from 3rd on the grid after jump starting
2011: Nico Rosberg starts 4th and finishes 5th, being a contender for the win mid-race
2012: Rosberg scores a first win from a first pole
2013: Grosjean starts 6th but slides to 9th

So fortunes are very well mixed in Shanghai as the driver can end up anywhere, from winning to being nowhere fast.
But in car no.8 in China this year is none other than... Romain Grosjean. Grosjean FTW on Sunday?

Difference this year is the driver chose the number rather than being given the number

Well, that's obviously why he picked it.

No, he probably picked it for the same reason as Kimi Raikkonen:

The Iceman wrote:"It's the number I already had last year and I saw no reason to change it."

Also, did you know that Hamilton's race number 44 is the sum total of all of the race numbers he's had in F1 so far?

watka · Post by **watka** » 17 Apr 2014, 21:41

F1 as the 6 Nations:

Drivers championships:
England - 9
Scotland - 5
France - 4
Italy - 3
All-Ireland - 0 (best championship result - 2nd)
Wales - 0 (best championship result - 10th)

Race victories:
England - 154
France - 79
Scotland - 66
Italy - 43
All-Ireland - 9
Wales - 0 (best result - 3rd)

Podiums
England - 397
France - 302
Italy - 207
Scotland - 142
All-Ireland - 46
Wales - 2

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 17 Apr 2014, 21:51

I'm not really into rugby, but I think I know the basic points system; is it possible to do an alternate F1 championship based on the 6 Nations Tournament?

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 19 Apr 2014, 21:41

I don't know if this has already been posted, but there's statistical evidence to prove that Ukyo Katayama is the most crash-prone driver in F1 history, with Hunt the Shunt and De Crasheris nearby on the podium. Link.

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 19 Apr 2014, 23:23

tristan1117 wrote:I don't know if this has already been posted, but there's statistical evidence to prove that Ukyo Katayama is the most crash-prone driver in F1 history, with Hunt the Shunt and De Crasheris nearby on the podium. Link.

Really interesting link, but some real shocks from that graph, Hill and Sutil's stats for a start. I always think of those two as relatively decent, reliable drivers. Perhaps Hill's average is really dragged down due to his poor performance in '99, but Sutil's?

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 20 Apr 2014, 02:35

SgtPepper wrote:
tristan1117 wrote:I don't know if this has already been posted, but there's statistical evidence to prove that Ukyo Katayama is the most crash-prone driver in F1 history, with Hunt the Shunt and De Crasheris nearby on the podium. Link.

Really interesting link, but some real shocks from that graph, Hill and Sutil's stats for a start. I always think of those two as relatively decent, reliable drivers. Perhaps Hill's average is really dragged down due to his poor performance in '99, but Sutil's?

Sutil crashed out 5 times during his relatively anonymous first year at Spyker in 2007 and he has had a decent amount of collisions and accidents since then, including Raikkonen taking him out in Monaco, the Trulli collision in Brazil, and crashing out in the rain in China 2009.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 20 Apr 2014, 08:59

Fernando Alonso has completed 616 race laps out of 616 possible at Shanghai.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 20 Apr 2014, 09:01

Just realised that car no.8 wasn't so lucky in China today. But Grosjean was at least speedy.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 20 Apr 2014, 09:04

good_Ralf wrote:Just realised that car no.8 wasn't so lucky in China today. But Grosjean was at least speedy.

He was bound to finish in the points until the gearbox gave up.