F1RWRS -- 2015 Season - ROTY voting!!!

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 19 Jun 2013, 03:55

Just out of curiosity, did Jantscher even have the slightest relation to Bridgestone before now? I doubt it, since he'll be using Michelins in the F2 this season.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 19 Jun 2013, 05:38

The Mad Uncle's dodgy accounting firm has returned for another year of draft budgets. Before we continue, one should note that neither ROTY credits (because the votes haven't officially been tallied yet), credits for signing F2RWRS drivers (have their own separate system even I can't remember or figure out myself), or proceeds from the sale of existing cars or engines have NOT been taken into account for these initial estimates. Bearing that in mind, I certify these estimates to be accurate to within +/-2%. Unless they're completely wrong, in which case blame Penultimo.

Anyway, here are the estimates:
MRT - 1000 (1450)
Jones - 1000 (1325)
Aeroracing - 1000 (1350)
Gillet - 548 (823)
Foxdale - 601 (876)
ArrowTech - 568 (843)
Kamaha - 580 (905)
Sunshine - 573 (1023)
Boxtel - 588 (913)
Kingfisher - 825 (1150)
Prospec - 528 (853)
HRT - 590 (940)
Tropico - 781 (1056)
Alitalia - 820 (1045)
Revolution - 495 (795)
Mecha - 423 (698)
Simpson - 683 (1008)
Autodynamics - 758 (1008)
Dofasco - 558 (683)
Gauthier - 1000

EDIT: Numbers in brackets are budgets once the mandatory sale of old engines is accounted for

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 19 Jun 2013, 08:05

Looks like Mecha and Dofasco will be spending yet another season in the DNPQ Club then :lol:

Post by **Ataxia** » 19 Jun 2013, 09:13

the Masked Lapwing wrote:Just out of curiosity, did Jantscher even have the slightest relation to Bridgestone before now? I doubt it, since he'll be using Michelins in the F2 this season.

Well, they're both managed by me for a start ...actually, that's it really!

Just thought I'd try something completely outrageous just to see if it would work... :lol:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 19 Jun 2013, 10:30

Hmm, so Foxdale have one of the smaller budgets then. Gonna have to be careful what I do with it then!

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 19 Jun 2013, 11:05

Impressive budgets for kingfisher and Alitalia there. Autodynamics should be moving up too with a healthy amount.

Btw, do we have to sell our engines? Or can we keep them?

Post by **tommykl** » 19 Jun 2013, 11:11

Gillet, meanwhile, look like they're in deep trouble

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 19 Jun 2013, 11:27

AdrianSutil wrote:Impressive budgets for kingfisher and Alitalia there. Autodynamics should be moving up too with a healthy amount.

Btw, do we have to sell our engines? Or can we keep them?

Engines have to be sold before the 2016 season. Teams are free to keep their 2015 chassis, however.

tommykl wrote:Gillet, meanwhile, look like they're in deep trouble

You're telling me. I actually had to show Lappy the calculations the first time I did it, simply because even I couldn't believe that Gillet were that deep in shite.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 19 Jun 2013, 11:50

I'm actually reasonably peased with my budget, just hoping I don't end up flushing it down due to general failure. I thought I would be screwed but I seem not to be.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 19 Jun 2013, 11:57

Yikes, at least we only have to buy an engine this year. It's a good thing the team can keep the chassis for this season

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 19 Jun 2013, 12:22

Ataxia wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Aeroracing Engineering will use Bridgestone tyres for 2016. Works team, if possible.

Now then, do I have the deal for you!

You can become Bridgestone's works outfit if you sign Marko Jantscher as a reserve driver. You might want to wait until the tyre stats are released, but considering I think we've got a good tyre I'm sure this deal would suit us both...

OK then, give me Marko Jantscher, I don't really have a proper reserve driver anyway.

Post by **Ataxia** » 19 Jun 2013, 19:33

Phoenix wrote:
Ataxia wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Aeroracing Engineering will use Bridgestone tyres for 2016. Works team, if possible.

Now then, do I have the deal for you!

You can become Bridgestone's works outfit if you sign Marko Jantscher as a reserve driver. You might want to wait until the tyre stats are released, but considering I think we've got a good tyre I'm sure this deal would suit us both...

OK then, give me Marko Jantscher, I don't really have a proper reserve driver anyway.

Haha, wow...I kinda expected to get laughed out of the thread. That's a deal, then.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 20 Jun 2013, 01:15

Ataxia wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
Ataxia wrote:
Now then, do I have the deal for you!

You can become Bridgestone's works outfit if you sign Marko Jantscher as a reserve driver. You might want to wait until the tyre stats are released, but considering I think we've got a good tyre I'm sure this deal would suit us both...

OK then, give me Marko Jantscher, I don't really have a proper reserve driver anyway.

Haha, wow...I kinda expected to get laughed out of the thread. That's a deal, then.

And how much would Aeroracing be paying for the priviledge?

Post by **Ataxia** » 20 Jun 2013, 10:11

Wizzie wrote:
Ataxia wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
OK then, give me Marko Jantscher, I don't really have a proper reserve driver anyway.

Haha, wow...I kinda expected to get laughed out of the thread. That's a deal, then.

And how much would Aeroracing be paying for the priviledge?

Aerond will release the figures at a later date, I would imagine. All I can say is that it's a very reasonable sum of money, and it's a price that might attract some more teams down the line...

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 20 Jun 2013, 10:13

Ataxia wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Ataxia wrote:
Haha, wow...I kinda expected to get laughed out of the thread. That's a deal, then.

And how much would Aeroracing be paying for the priviledge?

Aerond will release the figures at a later date, I would imagine. All I can say is that it's a very reasonable sum of money, and it's a price that might attract some more teams down the line...

Is this the point where, as one of the co-creators of the system, that I'm fairly certain prices are supposed to be negotiated between teams and manufacturers? Or have I missed something major somewhere along the line?

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 20 Jun 2013, 10:18

Wizzie wrote:Is this the point where, as one of the co-creators of the system, that I'm fairly certain prices are supposed to be negotiated between teams and manufacturers? Or have I missed something major somewhere along the line?

I am hoping that there is a rule that limits the prices in setting a minimum and maximum price. Hopefully most of the Tyre companies will charge the top teams with bundles of cash a premium rather then a discount otherwise the playing field is going to be more uneven then it has been. If HRT get a discount on tyres then most of us better forget any chance of the championship, wins, etc.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 20 Jun 2013, 10:24

SuperAguri wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Is this the point where, as one of the co-creators of the system, that I'm fairly certain prices are supposed to be negotiated between teams and manufacturers? Or have I missed something major somewhere along the line?

I am hoping that there is a rule that limits the prices in setting a minimum and maximum price. Hopefully most of the Tyre companies will charge the top teams with bundles of cash a premium rather then a discount otherwise the playing field is going to be more uneven then it has been. If HRT get a discount on tyres then most of us better forget any chance of the championship, wins, etc.

I believe the maximum price for tyres is 200 credits a season, but discounts can be given for multi-year contracts.

And what on earth are HRT gonna do with a discounted tyre contract?

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 20 Jun 2013, 13:46

Wizzie wrote:And what on earth are HRT gonna do with a discounted tyre contract?

I think he means MRT ... as if LonWinsLol wasn't inevitable either way.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 20 Jun 2013, 15:22

SuperAguri wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Is this the point where, as one of the co-creators of the system, that I'm fairly certain prices are supposed to be negotiated between teams and manufacturers? Or have I missed something major somewhere along the line?

I am hoping that there is a rule that limits the prices in setting a minimum and maximum price. Hopefully most of the Tyre companies will charge the top teams with bundles of cash a premium rather then a discount otherwise the playing field is going to be more uneven then it has been. If HRT get a discount on tyres then most of us better forget any chance of the championship, wins, etc.

The supplies can't hand out discounts based on a team-by-team basis, it's against the rules. Only form of discount is long-term contracts, which are open to everyone.

For example, I will be offered a contract at the same amount as Mecha and Gauthier, even though of the three likely Pirelli teams, mine is the only likely to score points (or even escape PreQ).

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 20 Jun 2013, 20:29

Michelin are offering one year deals to any team who is interested.

Unfortunately, we cannot disclose the, ahem, 'ow you say....price on the forums, but send me an email and I'll discuss the pricing arrangement with you.

However, we are VERY VERY VERY reasonable. Cheapest of all the manufacturers for a one year deal.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 20 Jun 2013, 20:52

pasta_maldonado wrote:Michelin are offering one year deals to any team who is interested.

Unfortunately, we cannot disclose the, ahem, 'ow you say....price on the forums, but send me an email and I'll discuss the pricing arrangement with you.

However, we are VERY VERY VERY reasonable. Cheapest of all the manufacturers for a one year deal.

What? You can't disclose prices on the forum? That's all very underhand an secretive!!! Foxdale demand that there is tranparency in the series over prices! Not performance, let's not get too excited, but at least let the viewing public know what each team is likely to be forking out for the tyres, and let the teams compare the different brands...

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 20 Jun 2013, 21:16

dr-baker wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:Michelin are offering one year deals to any team who is interested.

Unfortunately, we cannot disclose the, ahem, 'ow you say....price on the forums, but send me an email and I'll discuss the pricing arrangement with you.

However, we are VERY VERY VERY reasonable. Cheapest of all the manufacturers for a one year deal.

What? You can't disclose prices on the forum? That's all very underhand an secretive!!! Foxdale demand that there is tranparency in the series over prices! Not performance, let's not get too excited, but at least let the viewing public know what each team is likely to be forking out for the tyres, and let the teams compare the different brands...

BINGO! Someone give this man a beer.

I mean, I have no problem with stating that the draft MRT-Dunlop contract is worth 100 credits a year for works status. It'll be a good reference point for everyone else to work from

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 20 Jun 2013, 21:23

You'll have the chance; but at the right time

Be a little patient please

Post by **Ataxia** » 20 Jun 2013, 21:33

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 20 Jun 2013, 21:51

Ataxia wrote:

Why delay? WHY DELAY? WHY DELAY??? Do I need to spell it out again? Foxdale are not doing anything at all until ALL chassis, engine and tyre prices are finalised and published publically...

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 20 Jun 2013, 22:09

Ataxia wrote:

Please, continue, you were saying something about best intentions. What's the matter? Oh, you were finished! Well, allow me to retort.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 20 Jun 2013, 22:15

dr-baker wrote:
Ataxia wrote:

Why delay? WHY DELAY? WHY DELAY??? Do I need to spell it out again? Foxdale are not doing anything at all until ALL chassis, engine and tyre prices are finalised and published publically...

The chassis prices for 2016 have been on the bottom of the wiki page for the better part of six months now

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 20 Jun 2013, 22:57

Yeeehaaaa; finished doing drivers standings; This weekend I'll revise Wizzie's budgets and once this is done and ROTY votes are counted; we can start things rolling

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 20 Jun 2013, 23:18

Aerond wrote:Yeeehaaaa; finished doing drivers standings; This weekend I'll revise Wizzie's budgets and once this is done and ROTY votes are counted; we can start things rolling

Awesome, the wait is coming to an end.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 20 Jun 2013, 23:42

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Aerond wrote:Yeeehaaaa; finished doing drivers standings; This weekend I'll revise Wizzie's budgets and once this is done and ROTY votes are counted; we can start things rolling

Awesome, the wait is coming to an end.

Bout time we got this show on the road. :mrgreen:

And good to see Mad Uncle's dodgy accounting is Commission-approved

Post by **Ataxia** » 20 Jun 2013, 23:58

Stramala wrote:Please, continue, you were saying something about best intentions. What's the matter? Oh, you were finished! Well, allow me to retort.

*attractive yet slanderous poster*

@BridgestoneRWRS wrote:Oh, Pirelli. The tyre company firmly in the Alitalia camp wishes to talk favouritism, does it? Price for our tyres soon pending approval.

In all seriousness I find it very hard to pick fault, it's a nice poster AND you made a Pulp Fiction reference...damn you.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 21 Jun 2013, 00:41

Guillaume Gauthier wrote:I would advise Bridgestone cease their slanderous and baseless accusations against Pirelli. The contract Equipe Gauthier signed with Pirelli guarantees us equal footing with Alitalia, and we have no reason to believe the situation is any different with Mecha.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 21 Jun 2013, 01:00

Guillaume Gauthier wrote:I would advise Bridgestone cease their slanderous and baseless accusations against Pirelli. The contract Equipe Gauthier signed with Pirelli guarantees us equal footing with Alitalia, and we have no reason to believe the situation is any different with Mecha.

Alessandro Linari wrote:Yep Gauthier, no kidding. We thought Pirelli were in our back pocket for next season...well, apparently not. And, officially, we ain't even signed a flipping contract yet, we're just in quite advanced negotiations. So shut it Bridgestone, there's a reason we're going with Michelin in F2RWRS...well, because Pirelli was completely unfairly barred from supplying tyres was the first reason, but avoid Bridgestones was second.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 21 Jun 2013, 09:07

See, this is what the F1 tyre war should have been like :lol:

Also, Aerond, what is your opinion on the Adelaide race naming thing? The Bathurst Regional Council is getting impatient :lol:

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 21 Jun 2013, 14:51

the Masked Lapwing wrote:Also, Aerond, what is your opinion on the Adelaide race naming thing? The Bathurst Regional Council is getting impatient

I'm going to save him the trouble of answering and tell you: he most likely doesn't care and follows the one that bitches the loudest and since eurobrun's whinging about this topic has been much more persistent and long-living, he will win and the current naming will stand. :lol:

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 21 Jun 2013, 15:39

Klon wrote:
the Masked Lapwing wrote:Also, Aerond, what is your opinion on the Adelaide race naming thing? The Bathurst Regional Council is getting impatient

I'm going to save him the trouble of answering and tell you: he most likely doesn't care and follows the one that bitches the loudest and since eurobrun's whinging about this topic has been much more persistent and long-living, he will win and the current naming will stand.

Klon may seem stupid at times but living on 3.50 worth of food a week is making him have his clever moments :lol:

Post by **Ataxia** » 21 Jun 2013, 17:19

I think I'd best brush off these accusations of whatever with a full account of the facts here. No harm in revealing my plans to potential customers...

If you're after a contract, just drop me a PM and we can talk business. If you're not, then it's a shame but I'm not gonna go for the hard sell...

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 21 Jun 2013, 20:02

So... Bridgestones will be 125 credits/year. What about the others? And I was thinking from the above exchange that Aerond was going to announce all prices at the same time. :roll:

What do I know eh?

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 21 Jun 2013, 21:20

Autosport wrote:Bathurst start refunding tickets, threaten to lock out F1RWRS teams
The Bathurst Regional Council has responded to the F1RWRS Commission's refusal to back down over the recent naming rights issue, by refunding money to fans who have bought tickets to the event and offering remaining tickets for free. A spokesperson for the Council said "The fans have bought tickets to see the F1RWRS Australian Grand Prix at Mount Panorama, so it would be wrong of us to keep their money." The Council said that further measures would be taken if Commission President Daniel Prieto did not at least begin discussions with the council over the naming rights. "Prieto has shown no respect for anyone involved with his conduct, and it seems to us that he is simply being lazy. The Council is prepared to take extreme measures if Prieto continues this behaviour, including locking out all F1RWRS teams from the paddock and having no marshalls for the event. We'll see if Prieto is willing to risk driver safety."
It is believed that the Council is happy with the GTRWC and RTCC continuing to compete at their respective "Rounds of Australia" that same weekend, and will ensure that their teams and drivers are treated fairly.

Adelaide GP or South Australian GP. Simple.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 21 Jun 2013, 21:30

Autosport wrote:Bathurst start refunding tickets, threaten to lock out F1RWRS teams
The Bathurst Regional Council has responded to the F1RWRS Commission's refusal to back down over the recent naming rights issue, by refunding money to fans who have bought tickets to the event and offering remaining tickets for free. A spokesperson for the Council said "The fans have bought tickets to see the F1RWRS Australian Grand Prix at Mount Panorama, so it would be wrong of us to keep their money." The Council said that further measures would be taken if Commission President Daniel Prieto did not at least begin discussions with the council over the naming rights. "Prieto has shown no respect for anyone involved with his conduct, and it seems to us that he is simply being lazy. The Council is prepared to take extreme measures if Prieto continues this behaviour, including locking out all F1RWRS teams from the paddock and having no marshalls for the event. We'll see if Prieto is willing to risk driver safety."
It is believed that the Council is happy with the GTRWC and RTCC continuing to compete at their respective "Rounds of Australia" that same weekend, and will ensure that their teams and drivers are treated fairly.

Alessandro Linari wrote:I'd like to call the round at Bathurst the "Nobody gives a f*** about your inconsequential tantrum Grand Prix". I mean christ, here I was thinking Aussies were known for having patience, but then we have this flaming galah crying his eyes out over nothing. The guy couldn't run a bath. I hope they lock the gates, then we can f*** off to New Zealand, damn sight better than these losers!