Podiums Gone but not forgotten and other interesting podiums

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 08 Feb 2012, 20:10

Been thinking about this all day.... or trying to...

As far as i can think back the podium where 2 of the protagonists are no sadly longer with us would be Monaco '84......

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 08 Feb 2012, 20:33

I can think Senna and Alboreto, France 1988.

(Correction, Mexico 1989 too, I'd forgotten Alboreto had a podium after leaving Ferrari)!!

Post by **Londoner** » 08 Feb 2012, 20:39

James1978 wrote:I can think Senna and Alboreto, France 1988.

(Correction, Mexico 1989 too, I'd forgotten Alboreto had a podium after leaving Ferrari)!!

They were both on the podium at Portugal in 1985 as well.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 08 Feb 2012, 20:44

East Londoner wrote:
James1978 wrote:I can think Senna and Alboreto, France 1988.

(Correction, Mexico 1989 too, I'd forgotten Alboreto had a podium after leaving Ferrari)!!

They were both on the podium at Portugal in 1985 as well.

Alboreto's last podium would of been Mex '89.....

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 08 Feb 2012, 21:04

It's testament to the increased level of safety of modern motorsport -not just F1- that we have to go over 20 years back to find the most recent example of this.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 08 Feb 2012, 21:13

Ferrim wrote:It's testament to the increased level of safety of modern motorsport -not just F1- that we have to go over 20 years back to find the most recent example of this.

How far back do we have to go for all 3 to be no longer with us?

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 08 Feb 2012, 21:29

WeirdKerr wrote:How far back do we have to go for all 3 to be no longer with us?

1982 San Marino Grand Prix
1st Didier Pironi
2nd Gilles Villeneuve
3rd Michele Alboreto

To make an opposite claim, the earliest race where all 3 on the podium are still alive is Belgian GP 1967 with Dan Gurney, Jackie Stewart and Chris Amon.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 08 Feb 2012, 21:31

Bleu wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:How far back do we have to go for all 3 to be no longer with us?

1982 San Marino Grand Prix
1st Didier Pironi
2nd Gilles Villeneuve
3rd Michele Alboreto

ah....thanks (i was to lazy to look myself)

madmark1974 · Post by **madmark1974** » 09 Feb 2012, 09:57

Also, just to add to this, unless I'm mistaken, the last race where the podium consisted only of drivers who are no longer in F1 would be Canada 2008 :

1. Robert Kubica
2. Nick Heidfeld
3. David Coulthard

... and if Kubica returns, you have to go back to Europe 2003 :

1. Ralf Schumacher
2. J.P. Montoya
3. Rubens Barichello

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 09 Feb 2012, 12:24

I think that Canada 2008 is also the last-ever podium not to feature a World Champion (again with the condition that Kubica won't be champion if/when he comes back)?

I know only Webber and Barrichello are the only non-champions to have won races from the 2009 season to date, but at least one of Vettel/Button/Hamilton/Alonso/Raikkonen have shared it with them!

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 09 Feb 2012, 12:58

madmark1974 wrote:Also, just to add to this, unless I'm mistaken, the last race where the podium consisted only of drivers who are no longer in F1 would be Canada 2008 :

1. Robert Kubica
2. Nick Heidfeld
3. David Coulthard

... and if Kubica returns, you have to go back to Europe 2003 :

1. Ralf Schumacher
2. J.P. Montoya
3. Rubens Barichello

The second last is Germany 2003
1. Montoya
2. Coulthard
3. Trulli
I looked it up for the reject podiums thread yesterday or the day before.

Mister Fungus · Post by **Mister Fungus** » 09 Feb 2012, 13:58

Trulli is still in F1

IdeFan · Post by **IdeFan** » 09 Feb 2012, 14:40

Mister Fungus wrote:Trulli is still in F1

In body but not in spirit!

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 09 Feb 2012, 19:33

How many other podiums have consisted of drivers that have never been champion.......?

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 09 Feb 2012, 20:29

WeirdKerr wrote:How many other podiums have consisted of drivers that have never been champion.......?

Mentioned in Reject Podiums, Germany 1994.

1. Berger
2. Panis
3. Bernard

None of them won championships.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 09 Feb 2012, 21:26

Conversely, the only race I've attended in about the past 15 years is the only race to feature world champions in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th AND 5th...

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 09 Feb 2012, 22:05

dr-baker wrote:Conversely, the only race I've attended in about the past 15 years is the only race to feature world champions in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th AND 5th...

this year there could be a race where the top 6 are all champions......

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 09 Feb 2012, 22:48

WeirdKerr wrote:How many other podiums have consisted of drivers that have never been champion.......?

Australia 1989

1- Boutsen
2- Nannini
3- Patrese

The most 'ironic' is they were top 3 in the previous race (with Nannini inheriting Senna's win followed by Patrese and Boutsen)

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 10 Feb 2012, 00:04

WeirdKerr wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Conversely, the only race I've attended in about the past 15 years is the only race to feature world champions in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th AND 5th...

this year there could be a race where the top 6 are all champions......

theoretically possibly 7, if someone becomes champion, who hasn't been champion before, before the season ends.

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 10 Feb 2012, 01:54

This wrote:theoretically possibly 7, if someone becomes champion, who hasn't been champion before, before the season ends.

Theoretically, yes, but realistically... *finger* *finger* *finger* *finger* *finger* *something that stops the bath water escaping*

IdeFan · Post by **IdeFan** » 10 Feb 2012, 10:29

This wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Conversely, the only race I've attended in about the past 15 years is the only race to feature world champions in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th AND 5th...

this year there could be a race where the top 6 are all champions......

theoretically possibly 7, if someone becomes champion, who hasn't been champion before, before the season ends.

The chances are slim, I think that Rosberg is the most likely candidate, its more likely for Merc to stumble on a great car (2009) than it is for Webber to beat Vettel or Massa to beat Alonso on last year's form.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 10 Feb 2012, 19:25

dinizintheoven wrote:
This wrote:theoretically possibly 7, if someone becomes champion, who hasn't been champion before, before the season ends.

Theoretically, yes, but realistically... *finger* *finger* *finger* *finger* *finger* *something that stops the bath water escaping*

Rubens will prove you wrong. Yes indeed, Rubens!

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 12 Feb 2012, 08:25

Interesting podium time:

Hungary 2006:
1. Button (First win)
2. De La Rosa (First podium)
3. Heidfeid (First podium for team (BMW))

Has that ever happened before? First win, first podium for a driver and first podium for a team? Apart from British GP in 1950 obviously...

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 12 Feb 2012, 08:43

AdrianSutil wrote:Interesting podium time:

Hungary 2006:
1. Button (First win)
2. De La Rosa (First podium)
3. Heidfeid (First podium for team (BMW))

Has that ever happened before? First win, first podium for a driver and first podium for a team? Apart from British GP in 1950 obviously...

The 1995 Canadian Grand Prix ALMOST qualifies:

1. Alesi (First win)
2. Barrichello (Second podium for team (Jordan)
3. Irvine (First podium)

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 12 Feb 2012, 11:27

Had Stewart been on the podium before Nurburgring '99?

Herbert (first and only win for team, or at least until a 2nd change of owner)
Trulli
Barrichello

cretoxyrhina · Post by **cretoxyrhina** » 12 Feb 2012, 11:35

WeirdKerr wrote:Had Stewart been on the podium before Nurburgring '99?

Monaco 1997, Barrichello finished 2nd.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 12 Feb 2012, 14:46

cretoxyrhina wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:Had Stewart been on the podium before Nurburgring '99?

Monaco 1997, Barrichello finished 2nd.

Stewart, Jaguar and Red Bull all scored their first podium at Monaco...

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 12 Feb 2012, 23:43

Barrichello also finished 3rd a couple of times before in 1999.

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 14 Feb 2012, 12:22

2 interesting podiums

1990 Japanese Grand Prix
1. Nelson Piquet
2. Roberto Moreno - only podium, was with Eurobrun the previous race
3. Aguri Suzuki -only podium, first Japanese driver to score podium in F1

1980
1. Rene Arnoux - France
2. Jacques Laffite -France
3. Didier Pironi -France

The last time a podium for a grand prix consisted of all drivers from the same country.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 14 Feb 2012, 12:30

golic_2004 wrote:1980
1. Rene Arnoux - France
2. Jacques Laffite -France
3. Didier Pironi -France

The last time a podium for a grand prix consisted of all drivers from the same country.

Can raise you France 1982; 1st Arnoux, 2nd Prost, 3rd Pironi (and Tambay was 4th too for good measure). In the "No Home Races" Alternative Championship, Rosberg won that race from 5th in reality!

madmark1974 · Post by **madmark1974** » 14 Feb 2012, 13:02

Has there ever been a podium where all the cars were from the same constructor/chassis? I would guess there would be several examples ...
Obviously you'd be talking up to the mid 1970s when 'that sort of thing' was stopped.

Post by **tommykl** » 14 Feb 2012, 16:28

madmark1974 wrote:Has there ever been a podium where all the cars were from the same constructor/chassis? I would guess there would be several examples ...
Obviously you'd be talking up to the mid 1970s when 'that sort of thing' was stopped.

Alfa went 1-2-3 in the 1950 British Grand Prix, and I'm guessing Ferrari did the same a couple of times at least in 1952-1953.

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 15 Feb 2012, 12:08

James1978 wrote:
golic_2004 wrote:1980
1. Rene Arnoux - France
2. Jacques Laffite -France
3. Didier Pironi -France

The last time a podium for a grand prix consisted of all drivers from the same country.

Can raise you France 1982; 1st Arnoux, 2nd Prost, 3rd Pironi (and Tambay was 4th too for good measure). In the "No Home Races" Alternative Championship, Rosberg won that race from 5th in reality!

You're absolutely right. Thank you. :!:

Post by **mario** » 15 Feb 2012, 14:13

tommykl wrote:
madmark1974 wrote:Has there ever been a podium where all the cars were from the same constructor/chassis? I would guess there would be several examples ...
Obviously you'd be talking up to the mid 1970s when 'that sort of thing' was stopped.

Alfa went 1-2-3 in the 1950 British Grand Prix, and I'm guessing Ferrari did the same a couple of times at least in 1952-1953.

Actually, you can push that into the early 1960's: in the 1960 Italian GP, Ferrari had three cars on the podium (Phil Hill, Ginther and Mairesse respectively), whilst at the French GP that year cars built by Cooper took 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th (Brabham, Gendebien, McLaren, Taylor), although two of those cars were private rather than works entries.

Ferrari also took 1st to 4th at the 1961 Belgian GP (Phil Hill, von Trips, Ginther, Gendebien) and 1st to 3rd at the British GP in 1961 (von Trips, Hill, Ginther); unless I have missed something, I believe that the latter is the last time where three cars from the same constructor were all on the podium.

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 15 Feb 2012, 15:46

golic_2004 wrote:2 interesting podiums

1990 Japanese Grand Prix
1. Nelson Piquet
2. Roberto Moreno - only podium, was with Eurobrun the previous race
3. Aguri Suzuki -only podium, first Japanese driver to score podium in F1

If I'm not wrong, this one is the last race were no one of the drivers on podium was European.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 16 Feb 2012, 23:14

Dan Wheldon was the first driver to die in the same year he won the Indianapolis 500 since 1946.

The 1995 Indy 500 was the last time at Indy that all three podium finishers would either race in F1 or already had. (Villeneuve, C. Fittipaldi, Rahal)

Eddie Cheever was the last former F1 driver to win the Indy 500. Montoya won Indy before he went to F1.

2006 was the last time that all three podium finishers for the Indy 500 were of the same nationality, with Americans Sam Hornish, Jr., Marco Andretti, and Michael Andretti filling out the podium.

What about the last time everyone on an F1 podium had the same engine?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 17 Feb 2012, 01:35

Cynon wrote:What about the last time everyone on an F1 podium had the same engine?

I'd imagine it'd be in the mid-90s when WIlliams and Benetton both had Renault engines.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 17 Feb 2012, 11:47

Wizzie wrote:
Cynon wrote:What about the last time everyone on an F1 podium had the same engine?

I'd imagine it'd be in the mid-90s when WIlliams and Benetton both had Renault engines.

If Lewis had not lied to the stewards, the Australian GP 2009 would have had all three podium scorers powered by Mercedes.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 17 Feb 2012, 11:51

dr-baker wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Cynon wrote:What about the last time everyone on an F1 podium had the same engine?

I'd imagine it'd be in the mid-90s when WIlliams and Benetton both had Renault engines.

If Lewis had not lied to the stewards, the Australian GP 2009 would have had all three podium scorers powered by Mercedes.

And had Lewis not binned it on the final lap, the 2009 Italian GP would have also qualified.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 17 Feb 2012, 13:30

Monaco 2010 had all the podium finishers using Renault engines - Webber, Vettel and Kubica. (And China 2010 had all of them using Mercedes engines - Button, Hamilton, Rosberg).