Your Reject of the Race - Germany!

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 23 Jul 2011, 07:10

FP3 begins in a matter of hours, so it's time to open the Your Reject of the Race thread. Nobody has really done anything stupid yet, but there's still plenty of time. The illegal race suits get a pass on the title because nothing has come of it.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 23 Jul 2011, 07:14

I'm giving Renault an early nomination. Gonig backwards in terms of speed, and will be far behind Mercedes and just above Sauber if this continues. Seemingly nowhere this weekend.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 23 Jul 2011, 07:25

Peter wrote:I'm giving Renault an early nomination. Gonig backwards in terms of speed, and will be far behind Mercedes and just above Sauber if this continues. Seemingly nowhere this weekend.

I'm gonna put my neck on the chopping block and say if it continues then Renault are fast heading to ROTY contention alongside Williams and the FIA

Post by **Londoner** » 23 Jul 2011, 08:53

Make that another nomination for Renault. Those podiums at the start of the year seem an enternity away.

Post by **mario** » 23 Jul 2011, 10:48

Wizzie wrote:
Peter wrote:I'm giving Renault an early nomination. Gonig backwards in terms of speed, and will be far behind Mercedes and just above Sauber if this continues. Seemingly nowhere this weekend.

I'm gonna put my neck on the chopping block and say if it continues then Renault are fast heading to ROTY contention alongside Williams and the FIA

Peter wrote:I'm giving Renault an early nomination. Going backwards in terms of speed, and will be far behind Mercedes and just above Sauber if this continues. Seemingly nowhere this weekend.

I agree. In the final practise session, they were quite solidly behind Mercedes, though to be honest Mercedes have been ahead of Renault on pace for at least a couple of races now (arguably since Canada), and with increasing numbers of staff defecting to other teams, I doubt that is likely to improve.
In fact, Force India are showing improved pace this weekend and are beginning to pressurise Renault too - Force India have been creeping into the top 10 this weekend, especially in Sutil's hands.

That said, Renault do still have a reasonable points advantage over the chasing pack - Sauber are over 30 points behind at the moment, and teams like Force India and Toro Rosso are closer to 50 points behind.
I think that Toro Rosso and Force India will struggle to make up that large a points gap as long as Renault can occasionally get a car into the top 10, but if Sauber have a reasonably strong latter half of the year, they might be close enough to trouble Renault in the closing races. It does depend a lot on what sort of performance the Renault team can eke out of their planned exhaust upgrade (the switch from forward to rearward exhausts).

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 23 Jul 2011, 10:54

Renault have continously been suffering recently, so I can't nominate them yet.
However if no Renaults will be in the top ten, I will probably nominate them...

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 23 Jul 2011, 11:19

Surprised that no one has mentioned Chandhok so far.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 23 Jul 2011, 13:09

Really Tonio, just .025?

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 23 Jul 2011, 13:30

the Masked Lapwing wrote:Really Tonio, just .025?

With a new gearbox no less.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 23 Jul 2011, 19:28

The BBC, for saying during the qualifying build-up that Williams' last pole was Germany 2005.

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 23 Jul 2011, 20:12

So far, Button (a pretty anonymous weekend), Barrichello (losing to Maldonado's becoming more of a habit) and Sauber (poor pace, and odd qualifying strategy for Kamui) would be candidates for me.

Depending how the tyre life plays out in the race, and barring any blatant driver stupidity, who knows, Pirelli could yet be a nominee, especially if everyone doesn't pit until the last couple of laps.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 23 Jul 2011, 21:13

Faustus wrote:The BBC, for saying during the qualifying build-up that Williams' last pole was Germany 2005.

Damn them, it was Brazil 2010, it was a fluke but it was still a pole goddamnit.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 23 Jul 2011, 21:39

How about Buemi/Toro Rosso for having to start from the back of the grid due to an irregular fuel sample?

GroupLotusRenault · Post by **GroupLotusRenault** » 24 Jul 2011, 03:47

Renault for being so far off the pace which is weird to see when at the first few races they were the 4th best car.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 24 Jul 2011, 03:58

GroupLotusRenault wrote:Renault for being so far off the pace which is weird to see when at the first few races they were the 4th best car.

The issue here is that Group Bahar and Vitaly's Mafia Mob have no cash. That being said, they didn't do too badly here in quali.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 24 Jul 2011, 09:17

Faustus wrote:The BBC, for saying during the qualifying build-up that Williams' last pole was Germany 2005.

You, for saying the BBC said that Williams' last pole was Germany 2005, i.e. Hockenheim 2005. :lol:

sswishbone · Post by **sswishbone** » 24 Jul 2011, 11:55

The BBC, how dare they associate F1 with Limp Bizkit!?

Post by **Londoner** » 24 Jul 2011, 11:59

sswishbone wrote:The BBC, how dare they associate F1 with Limp Bizkit!?

Oi! Limp Bizkit were good back in the day (10-12 years ago)! Better than those prats called Linkin Park.

The Passenger · Post by **The Passenger** » 24 Jul 2011, 12:26

East Londoner wrote:
sswishbone wrote:The BBC, how dare they associate F1 with Limp Bizkit!?

Oi! Limp Bizkit were good back in the day (10-12 years ago)! Better than those prats called Linkin Park.

As much as Linkin Park sucks (and that is certainly an impressive amount of suck right there), at least they don't have Fred Durst.

ontopic: Sebastien Buemi, for driving like I do in Forza Motorsport. (although now that they showed the replay again it looks like Heidfeld had nowhere to go and rammed into the back of him, so it wasn't as bad as I first thought)

sswishbone · Post by **sswishbone** » 24 Jul 2011, 13:34

Has to be Karun chanhok, he's 70 seconds down on Ricciardo!

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 24 Jul 2011, 13:41

The weather for not raining!

TomPryce · Post by **TomPryce** » 24 Jul 2011, 13:42

Massa and the Ferrari Pit Crew HOW THE HELL DID THEY MESS THAT UP!?

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 24 Jul 2011, 13:46

Although the Ferrari pitstop was bad, Chandhok has to get it for a Nissany-esque performance today.

Post by **Londoner** » 24 Jul 2011, 13:49

I'm going to nominate my TV for cutting out just as Vettel and Massa entered the pits.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 24 Jul 2011, 13:51

Williams

Start and Park for Barichello, something that NASCAR have been keen to cut out on in their particular rose-tinted-spectacle. Something good needs to happen otherwise the lows are just going to get lower.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 24 Jul 2011, 13:55

im gonna give it to vettel unless the stewards dq thye first 3

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 24 Jul 2011, 13:56

Ferrari pit crew - CHOKE!
Webber's strategy - Why did he stay out that long? I mean, I can understand one lap at most. After that, he fell off a cliff.
Ferrari pit crew - I feel they should be mentioned twice.
Karun Chandhok - How far behind Ricciardo was he again?

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 24 Jul 2011, 13:57

Sebastien Buemi for soullessly taking out Nick Heidfeld...

Pit strategist for Mark Webber, Vettel and Massa - Pitting with a handful of laps to go? Are they out of what's left of their mind?

JJMonty · Post by **JJMonty** » 24 Jul 2011, 14:03

I would love to nominate Vettel for the silly mistakes, ignoring advise and really not looking like he wanted to drive today...... BUT... if he can get 4th on a bad day, then we are setting our expectations wayyy too high!

Webber is a tempting option, had the upper edge on Vettel all weekend - yet still hasn't got that race pace and ended up losing out to Alonso and Hamilton.

FIA will be my nomination if the top 3 get a DQ!

Red Bull stratagists would be my nomination, they left Webber out wayyy too long, didn't respond very well to others stratagies, slow pit-stops and only got away with Vettel's last stop because Ferrari cocked up worse.

Post by **tommykl** » 24 Jul 2011, 14:04

The Ferrari pit crew for messing up at the worst possible time.

Gaëtan Vigneron and Bas Leinders for talking about the Spa circuit and a potential buyout for about a third of the race when there was something exciting going on.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 24 Jul 2011, 14:17

The Passenger wrote:As much as Linkin Park sucks (and that is certainly an impressive amount of suck right there), at least they don't have Fred Durst.

Speaking of Limp Bizkit, they just released a new album, Gold Cobra. My friend and I we're thinking of going to see a show of theirs A: For the Lulz and B: To re-live middleschool.

Nominations: Chandok. WHY U NO BEAT RICCIARDO?
&
Vettel: You're expected to win bro, and you didn't, you didn't even podium, and you passed Massa on a mistake that wasn't even his doing. Ten points from Gryffindor.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 24 Jul 2011, 14:28

F1000X wrote:chandok. WHY U NO BEAT RICCIARDO?

First race back, can we forgive him for that?

Post by **mario** » 24 Jul 2011, 14:29

TomPryce wrote:Massa and the Ferrari Pit Crew HOW THE HELL DID THEY MESS THAT UP!?

I actually wonder what happened in that pit stop - all we saw was Massa sitting in the pit box whilst Vettel went past. I wouldn't mind seeing whether they had a problem, or whether it was just sluggish.

To be honest, though, Vettel was lucky there, given he had been instructed to pit if Massa did not, but for some reason he decided to continue - had Ferrari not hit problems there, he'd have probably come out behind Massa and remained in 5th. And, overall, it was a poor race weekend by his normal standards, as he made several unforced errors, and Webber had an answer to him all weekend.

But, overall, there were worse moments - Buemi had a poor race (and is probably quite lucky not to be penalised for his clash with Heidfeld - a different set of stewards might well have penalised him), though Heidfeld also performed poorly (clashing with Di Resta, and he had been issued with a drive through for on track incidents).

And, frankly, Red Bull were not all that sharp strategically today - Webber was dropped into traffic (behind Sutil) after his first stint, and was left out for far too long at the end (one lap would have worked, when Hamilton and Alonso were on cold tyres, but after that both of them were always going to improve), whilst Red Bull seemed to spend more time trying to trick Ferrari into stopping Massa than working on their strategy.

Overall, I'll probably go for Buemi as my first candidate for spending too long trying to get past the newer teams, with Heidfeld and Red Bull's tacticians getting dishonourable mentions.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 24 Jul 2011, 14:33

Vettel - maybe a bit harsh because of the high expectations, but if the rest of the races finish like this he WILL lose the title, which would go down as the biggest choke in F1 history. He would've been 5th if it weren't for my next nomination...
Ferrari pit crew screwed up and handed 2 points to Vettel on a plate. It wasn't even close!
Buemi - caused a terrifying accident with Heidfeld because he couldn't be bothered to look in his mirrors.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 24 Jul 2011, 14:36

ADx_Wales wrote:
F1000X wrote:chandok. WHY U NO BEAT RICCIARDO?

First race back, can we forgive him for that?

No. Not when he's in a superior chassis against someone starting only his second Grand Prix.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 24 Jul 2011, 14:58

Definitely the Ferrari pit crew.

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 24 Jul 2011, 15:07

Nominees:
Button - Third insipid drive in a row
Chandhok - Some mitigating circumstances, but really shouldn't be spinning that much or getting beaten by a HRT
Pirelli - Temperatures were unexpected, but discrepancy between compounds was ridiculous
Williams - Awful
Schumacher's spins - His race pace is excellent, but he keeps wasting his opportunities! Possibly could have got Sutil today.

Winner:
Massa's Pitcrew - How many points can they cost him throughout this year! If it's not poor strategy, it's bad pitstops.

Also, it unfairly gave Vettel the record of best ever start to a season.

mario wrote:I actually wonder what happened in that pit stop - all we saw was Massa sitting in the pit box whilst Vettel went past. I wouldn't mind seeing whether they had a problem, or whether it was just sluggish.

They lost the wheel nut, according to Ferrari on Twitter.

mediocre · Post by **mediocre** » 24 Jul 2011, 15:32

Karun Chandhok for being "out of his depth" = being a complete nonsense bummer who did even worse than Yuji Ide could've done considering the pace.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 24 Jul 2011, 16:05

Karun Chandhok -- WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?! Despite that, PLEASE take Trulli's Fondmetal Team Malaysia seat for ALL ETERNITY!

Williams -- Start and Park = Fail.
Michael Schumacher -- Michael Skidmarker.
Ferrari Pitcrew -- WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!

Henrique · Post by **Henrique** » 24 Jul 2011, 16:39

Karun Chandhok - Lapped by HRT.

Sebastien Buemi - Put Heidfeld out of the race, should have payed more attention.