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Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 18:51
by dr-baker
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6. Sutil 8 x 14 = 112
2. Alonso 18 x 5 = 90
1. Hamilton 25 x 3 = 75
5. Massa 10 x 6 = 60
7. Rosberg 6 x 8 = 48
9. Kobayashi 2 x 16 = 32
3. Webber 15 x 2 = 30
8. Schumacher 4 x 7 = 28
4. Vettel 12 x 1 = 12
10. Petrov 1 x 10 = 10
Sutil seems to be dominating the voting in IIDOTR last time I checked, so how to reflect this infinitely improbable drive? Multiply the points score by their car number and you can see Sutil is a clear winner!
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1st. 4. Alonso 130 x 5 = 650
2nd. 5. Button 109 x 4 = 436
3rd. 11. Kobayashi 27 x 16 = 432
4th. 3. Hamilton 134 x 3 = 402
5th. 6. Massa 62 x 6 = 372
6th. 7. Rosberg 46 x 8 = 368
7th. 10. Petrov 32 x 10 = 320
8th. 8. Heidfeld 34 x 9 = 306
9th. 2. Webber 139 x 2 = 278
10th 12. Sutil 18 x 14 = 252
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11th 9. Schumacher 32 x 7 = 224
12th 1. Vettel 216 x 1 = 216
13th 13. Alguersuari 9 x 19 = 171
14th 15. Buemi 8 x 18 = 144
15th 14. Perez 8 x 17 = 136
16th 16. Barrichello 4 x 11 = 44
17th 17. di Resta 2 x 15 = 30
This is turning into an Alonso benefit, pulling out an advantage from the others. Hamilton is entering the battle for second, alongside Button and Kobayashi, with Massa and Rosberg not too far behind.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 20:42
by dr-baker
And back to previous season catch-up...
1955-The disaster at the 24 Hours of Le Mans on 11 June led to the cancellations of the French, German, Spanish and Swiss Grands Prix.
-Championship points were awarded on an 8-6-4-3-2 basis for the first five places at each race. One point was awarded for fastest race lap at each race. Only the best 5 results counted towards the Championship.
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Driver Team Argentina Monaco Indy Belgium Dutch Britain Italy Total
1st M. Trintignant Ferrari 24 + 13 1/3 352 389 1/3
2nd J.-M. Fangio Mercedes 18 2 90 64 60 144 376
3rd S. Moss Mercedes 8 84 60 108 16 276
4th P. Taruffi Mercedes 150 84 234
5th E. Castellotti Lancia 180 12 16 208
6th J. Behra Maserati 68 24 108 200
7th G. Farina Ferrari 24 + 13 1/3 126 8 171 1/3
8th J. Thomson Kuzma 132 132
9th R. Mieres Maserati 36 24 64 124
10th L. Musso Maserati 72 8 80
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11th= W. Faulkner Kurtis Kraft 77 77
11th= B. Homeier Kurtis Kraft 77 77
13th= C. Perdisa Maserati 68 68
13th= C. Menditeguy Maserati 68 68
15th K. Kling Mercedes 8 56 64
16th J. Davies Kurtis Kraft 60 60
17th L. Villoresi Lancia 56 56
18th B. Sweikert Kurtis Kraft 48 48
19th= T. Bettenhausen Kurtis Kraft 30 30
19th= P. Russo Kurtis Kraft 30 30
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21st J.-F. Gonzalez Ferrari 24 24
22nd P. Frere Ferrari 18 18
23rd U. Maglioli Ferrari 13 1/3 13 1/3
24th H. Hermann Mercedes 8 8
25th B. Vukovich Kurtis Kraft 4 4
Because of the infamous Le Mans disaster, the penultimate GP of the year was in July, with the conclusion in September. The Argentine GP equals the record of hottest GP (shared with the 1984 Dallas GP and 2005 Bahraini GP, 104 degrees Fahrenheit/40 degrees Centigrade). This led to several shared drives, with both Farina and Tringinant sharing both the 2nd and 3rd placed cars (both cars also had a third driver sharing the driving). The Indianapolis 500 saw the death of Bill Vukovich on lap 56. His fastest lap was not to be beaten during the race, meaning the point for the fastest lap was credited to him posthumously. (Is this the only time in F1/Indy history to have happened?)
Oh yeah, and we have a different championship winner! Despite only scoring in the first two races of the year, this proved sufficient to win the title! Hurrah! What's more, if you look at the 1974-2010 period, only 4 years saw a smaller winning margin, in the years 1997 and 2000-2002. Wonder if there will be any other low scoring years between 1956 and 1973?
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 21:16
by dr-baker
Was just going back, tidying up some tables on the first page of posts and found these comments:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Wizzie wrote:tommykl wrote:Should I eventually do this from 1950 to 1995 after I finish the medals (if it gets enough votes, of course)?
There's no point in doing this before 1996 because of the different car numbering system before that point.
Plus, it means Ferrari will pretty much dominate the 80's and 90's unopposed.
tommykl wrote:Maybe, but then, Alboreto and maybe Johansson would be champions. Also, Ligier.
Tommy was certainly right about Alboreto, but sadly wrong about Johansson (although he did get 2nd overall twice, in 1985 when Alboreto/Ferrari won, and in 1986 when Senna/Lotus won. His next best result was 5th in 1989 with Onyx!). And Ligier would only go on to win in 1981 with Laffite.
tommykl wrote: Coincidentally, the German, Italian, French and Monaco GP all used different nubering systems, so it will reward points scorers in these GPs. The goal of this Championship is to get different winners every year, not to be fair.
Gilles Villeneuve would probably in this one!
Sadly, Villeneuve did not get around to winning this. And in the early 1950s, we don't seem to be getting many different winners (although we do in 1955, thanks to a different numbering system in.... Monaco! And 1951 nearly saw an Indy 500 winner win outright...
So there's a bit of closure on posts from November last year...
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 25 Jul 2011, 19:40
by dr-baker
1956Points were given to top 5 finishers (8, 6, 4, 3, 2). 1 point was given for fastest lap. Only the best five scores counted towards the world championship. Points for shared drives were divided equally between the drivers, regardless of who had driven more laps.
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Driver Team Argentina Monaco Indy Belgium France GB Germany Italy Total
1st S. Moss Maserati 224 102 6 7 42 324 699
2nd J.-M. Fangio Ferrari 170 104 40 8 9 78 401
3rd P. Collins Ferrari 78 64 112 12 78 344
4th J. Parsons Kurtis Kraft 294 294
5th J. Behra Maserati 24 120 16 32 24 216
6th P. Godia Maserati 60 114 174
7th D. Rathman Kurtis Kraft 146 146
8th L. Musso Ferrari 136 136
9th E. Castellotti Ferrari 30 72 102
10th O. Gendebien Ferrari 76 76
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11th J. Fairman Connaught 63 12 75
12th C. Perdisa Maserati 68 6 74
13th= P. Flaherty Watson 64 64
13th= D. Freeland Phillips 64 64
15th H. Gould Maserati 62 62
16th M. Hawthorn Maserati 56 56
17th L. Villoresi Maserati 44 44
18th P. Frere Ferrari 36 36
19th= H. Schell Vanwall 30 30
19th= L. Rosier Maserati 30 30
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21st P. Russo Kurtis Kraft 29 29
22nd S. Hanks Kurtis Kraft 24 24
23rd R. Flockhart Connaught 16 16
24th= C. Landi Maserati 15 15
24th= G. Gerini Maserati 15 15
26th= H. da Silva Ramos Gordini 12 12
26th= A. de Portago Ferrari 12 12
Monaco: Since Fangio received points for second, only Castellotti received the 1.5 points for the shared fourth. (Unlike Argentina of year before, where drivers scored points for both cars in which they raced.) But Fangio's higher-place car also had the larger car number so this was the higher of the two possible scores for the round (Fangio would have scored an extra 30 from the other entry which he shared with Castellotti).
Yay! Stirling Moss beats Juan-Manuel Fangio to the title! And one of the highest number of scorers of the years I've done so far - only 1989 had more scorers, with 29. This happened as so many drivers only scored once all year.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 26 Jul 2011, 21:16
by dr-baker
1957Championship points were awarded on an 8-6-4-3-2 basis for the first five placings in each race. An additional point was awarded for the fastest race lap. Only the best 5 results counted towards the Championship. In Britain, Trintignant received all 3 points for fourth place as it was determined that Collins did not drive a significant number of laps.
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Driver Team Argentina Monaco Indy France Britain Germany Pescara Italy Total
1st S. Moss Maserati, Vanwall 4 100 20 234 144 502
2nd J.-M. Fangio Maserati 16 288 16 9 12 12 344
3rd T. Brooks Vanwall 120 80 22 222
4th J. Rathmann Epperly 182 182
5th L. Musso Ferrari 70 84 18 172
6th P. Russo Kurtis Kraft 162 162
7th A. Linden Kurtis Kraft 146 146
8th W. von Trips Ferrari 144 144
9th M. Hawthorn Ferrari 42 40 48 130
10th M. Gregory Maserati 8 42 78 128
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11th H. Schell Maserati 66 12 24 8 110
12th M. Trintignant Ferrari 60 48 108
13th S. Lewis-Evans Connaught 30 60 90
14th P. Collins Ferrari 48 28 76
15th= S. Hanks Epperly 72 72
15th= R. Salvadori Cooper 72 72
17th J. Behra Maserati 36 36
18th C. Menditeguy Maserati 32 32
19th= A. de Portago Ferrari 20 20
19th= J.-F. Gonzalez Ferrari 20 20
21st G. Scarlatti Maserati 8 8
22nd J. Bryan Kuzma 4 4
At the half-way point of the season, Moss seemed to have no chance, while Fangio seemed to have a decent score from Monaco to push him ahead of everybody. But with a couple of 100+ scores towards the end of the season, and Fangio failing to get a decent car number again, gives the title to Mr Moss (now Sir Stirling in the 21st century) for the second year in a row.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 27 Jul 2011, 20:16
by dr-baker
1958Points were awarded on an 8-6-4-3-2 basis to the first five finishers at each race. An additional point was awarded to the driver setting the fastest race lap. The best six results from the eleven races were retained.
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Driver Team Argentina Monaco Dutch Indy Belgium France GB Germany Portugal Italy Morrocco Total
1st G. Amick Epperly 594 594
2nd M. Hawthorn Ferrari 80 38 10 112 36 14 168 84 36 518
3rd S. Moss Cooper* 112 9 48 7 18 252 446
4th T. Brooks Vanwall 32 64 224 320
5th L. Musso Ferrari 96 204 300
6th P. Collins Ferrari 144 84 8 236
7th M. Trintignant Cooper 160 44 204
8th H. Schell BRM 16 90 20 40 32 198
9th R. Salvadori Cooper 21 40 60 12 133
10th T. Bettenhausen Epperly 132 132
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11th C. Allison Lotus 120 0 (12) 120
12th J.-M. Fangio Maserati 8 102 110
13th P. Hill Ferrari 90 16 106
14th J. Behra Maserati 8 56 24 88
15th W. von Trips Ferrari 24 12 44 80
16th S. Lewis-Evans Vanwall 24 27 24 75
17th J. Bonnier BRM 54 54
18th J. Brabham Cooper 48 48
19th J. Boyd Kurtis Kraft 36 36
20th J. Bryan Epperly 8 8
21st J. Rathman Epperly 4 4
*: Moss also drove a Vanwall for much of the season.
Germany: Despite being the fifth-placed Formula One car, Allison scored no points because he finished tenth on the road behind five Formula Two cars.
Italy: No points awarded for shared drive - Maston Gregory and Carroll Shelby shared a Maserati and either would have scored 96 points had they not shared and driven solo.
A truly shock result! And George Amick did not even win the Indianapolis 500 but come second - with car number 99, and that was enough in the antepenultimate year that this could have been possible. Yet three of the five Indy points-scorers occupy 19th, 20th and 21st with car numbers 9, 1 and 2 respectively. And Hawthorn is the only driver who had to drop scores, yet even if they had been added, this still would not have been enough to overhaul Amick.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 28 Jul 2011, 11:07
by dr-baker
1959Points were awarded on an 8-6-4-3-2 basis to the first five finishers at each race. Only the best five results from the nine races were retained.
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Driver Team Monaco Indy Dutch France GB Germany Portugal Italy USA Total
1st P. Hill Ferrari 144 156 20 224 544
2nd T. Brooks Ferrari 300 192 36 8 536
3rd J. Brabham Cooper 216 48 32 96 48 24 440
4th M. Trintignant Cooper 128 36 24 15 42 245
5th B. McLaren Cooper 44 24 72 72 212
6th D. Gurney Ferrari 36 64 108 208
7th S. Moss Cooper 11 2 39 36 112 200
8th P. Goldsmith Epperly 198 198
9th J. Rathmann Watson 96 96
10th J. Bonnier BRM 56 18 74
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11th C. Allison Ferrari 68 68
12th O. Gendebien Ferrari 66 66
13th I. Ireland Lotus 36 20 56
14th M. Gregory Cooper 36 12 48
15th R. Ward Watson 40 40
16th H. Schell BRM 24 12 36
17th J. Thomson Lesovsky 15 15
18th T. Bettenhausen Epperly 3 3
19th J. Behra Ferrari 2 2
France: Stirling Moss was disqualified from the French Grand Prix (for receiving outside assistance), yet was allowed to keep the point for fastest lap.
Before adding up the final totals, I honestly thought that Tony Brooks was going to win this, mostly due to his 300 points from the Monaco GP. But Phil Hill's consistant high scores allowed him to take this title. And Jack Brabham's dropped score doesn't really make any difference.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 28 Jul 2011, 12:38
by dr-baker
1960The points-scoring system was changed with the point for fastest lap being dropped and a point given for sixth place. The best six scores counted towards the championship, increased from five from the previous season. Thus, points were awarded on an 8-6-4-3-2-1 basis at each round, with only the best six round results retained.
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Driver Team Argentina Monaco Indy Dutch Belgium France GB Portugal Italy USA Total
1st O. Gendebien Cooper 136 264 400
2nd P. Goldsmith Epperly 396 396
3rd P. Hill Ferrari 144 72 160 9 385
4th B. McLaren Cooper 128 60 24 72 6 24 12 320
5th S. Moss Lotus 224 21 40 285
6th J. Brabham Cooper 88 16 128 8 16 6 262
7th W. von Trips Ferrari 60 4 11 84 44 203
8th I. Ireland Lotus 20 24 28 16 60 148
9th R. Ginther Ferrari 34 3 108 145
10th C. Allison Ferrari 144 144
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11th J. Clark Lotus 36 48 56 140
12th H. Taylor Cooper 138 138
13th T. Brooks Cooper 54 24 12 90
14th= G. Hill BRM 64 64
14th= W. Mairesse Ferrari 64 64
16th J. Surtees Lotus 54 54
17th J. Bonnier BRM 4 30 34
18th= J. Rathmann Watson 32 32
18th= L. Bianchi Cooper 32 32
20th H. Herrman Porsche 26 26
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21st= E. Johnson Trevis 22 22
21st= R. Flockhart Lotus 22 22
23rd D. Branson Phillips 21 21
24th C. Menditeguy Cooper 18 18
25th= R. Ward Watson 6 6
25th= J. Thomson Lesovsky 6 6
25th= G. Cabianca Cooper 6 6
Argentina: Trintignant and Moss received no points for the shared drive to 3rd place. This could have been worth 152 points to either driver.
Belgium: Under modern rules, Graham Hill would have been classified 3rd, since he completed lap 35 before Gendebien. Hill then retired, in the pits, but was not classified since he did not push his car over the line after the winner took the finish (as required by the rules of the time). Hill would have scored 40 points, while Gendebien would then have scored 102 points, Phil Hill 24 points, and Clark 18 points. Bianchi would have been seventh and thus not scored.
In the final year when the Indianapolis 500 counted towards the championship, one of their number finished third with car number 99, missing out on the title by just 4 points... And Phil Hill is not far off winning this overall either. I have never heard of Giulio Cabianca before.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 28 Jul 2011, 16:28
by dr-baker
1961Points were awarded on an 8-6-4-3-2-1 basis to the first six finishers at each race. Only the best 5 results counted towards the Championship.
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Driver Team Monaco Dutch Belgium France GB Germany Italy USA Total
1st G. Baghetti Ferrari 450 450
2nd D. Gurney Porsche 8 20 72 276 72 448
3rd S. Moss Lotus 180 42 63 285
4th R. Ginther Ferrari 216 4 24 24 268
5th P. Hill Ferrari 152 6 36 12 16 18 234
6th W. von Trips Ferrari 120 27 12 36 18 213
7th J. Lewis Cooper 180 180
8th I. Ireland Lotus 18 135 153
9th J. Clark Lotus 60 32 42 134
10th B. McLaren Cooper 26 8 2 48 6 90
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11th J. Surtees Cooper 48 36 84
12th R. Salvadori Cooper 36 40 76
13th T. Brooks BRM 52 20 72
14th J. Brabham Cooper 10 36 46
15th G. Hill BRM 22 8 30
16th J. Bonnier Porsche 16 11 27
17th O. Gendebien Ferrari 24 24
Giancarlo Baghetti wins on his debut in France, but doesn't score again all year. Yet his car number of 50 is great enough to win the title by just two points from Dan Gurney in the Porsche, who score is greatly boosted by his result in Italy. I thought Ginther and Phil Hill would do better, after their results in the first race of the year, but it was not to be.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 28 Jul 2011, 17:33
by dr-baker
1962Points were awarded on a 9-6-4-3-2-1 basis to the first six finishers in each race with the best five race results retained by each driver.
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Driver Team Dutch Monaco Belgium France GB Germany Italy USA S. Africa Total
1st B. McLaren Cooper 126 66 64 18 112 84 48 452
2nd G. Hill BRM 153 10 6 36 99 126 24 27 441
3rd J. Clark Lotus 144 180 15 72 411
4th J. Surtees Lola 84 10 36 144 84 358
5th D. Gurney Porsche 270 28 20 318
6th P. Hill Ferrari 4 216 36 256
7th T. Maggs Cooper 14 144 18 36 212
8th J. Brabham Lotus 15 60 51 30 156
9th L. Bandini Ferrari 152 152
10th R. Ginther BRM 40 72 112
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11th C.G. de Beaufort Porsche 14 38 52
12th R. Rodriguez Ferrari 36 3 39
13th T. Taylor Lotus 30 30
14th W. Mairesse Ferrari 24 24
15th= J. Bonnier Porsche 4 18 22
15th= I. Ireland Lotus 22 22
17th N. Lederle Lotus 20 20
18th M. Gregory Lotus-BRM 16 16
19th G. Baghetti Ferrari 6 4 10
A terrible year for 1961's reigning champion. And I never realised that Trevor Taylor had scored a podium before (2nd in the first race of the year) but that was his only points finish of the year. Graham Hill and Bruce McLaren were the only two to have to drop scores, but even if they had all been taken into account, it would not have changed anything.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 29 Jul 2011, 15:27
by dr-baker
1963Points were awarded on a 9-6-4-3-2-1 basis at each round with only the best six round results retained.
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Driver Team Monaco Belgium Dutch France GB Germany Italy USA Mexico S. Africa Total
1st J. Clark Lotus 9 54 162 36 18 72 32 72 9 428
2nd D. Gurney Brabham 72 108 16 6 54 256
3rd B. McLaren Cooper 28 84 72 30 214
4th J. Surtees Ferrari 63 8 60 63 194
5th I. Ireland BRM 90 96 186
6th R. Ginther BRM 30 24 28 6 8 60 12 8 162
7th T. Maggs Cooper 16 72 20 108
8th J. Brabham Brabham 18 44 15 30 107
9th G. Hill BRM 54 4 9 3 20 90
10th G. Mitter Porsche 78 78
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11th J. Bonnier Cooper 24 16 22 12 74
12th L. Bandini BRM 6 48 8 62
13th J. Hall Lotus-BRM 12 40 52
14th C.G. de Beaufort Porsche 29 12 41
15th J. Siffert Lotus-BRM 36 36
16th T. Taylor Lotus 10 10
17th L. Scarfiotti Ferrari 4 4
France: Graham Hill was push started, incurring a one minute penalty from the organisers, and was awarded no championship points for his third place.
Inevitable, considering Clark's win rate, although it didn't work so well for Richie Ginther, the only other driver to have to drop scores (although this only costs him 14 points and no positions). And Graham Hill really loses out here, falling from 2nd (equal origianally with Ginther) to 9th.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 29 Jul 2011, 16:30
by dr-baker
1964Championship points were awarded on a 9-6-4-3-2-1 basis for the first six positions in each race. Only the best 6 results counted toward the championship.
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Driver Team Monaco Dutch Belgium France GB Germany Austria Italy USA Mexico Total
1st J. Clark Lotus 36 162 207 9 2 416
2nd B. McLaren Cooper 120 12 156 288
3rd D. Gurney Brabham 15 198 54 267
4th J. Surtees Ferrari 12 28 63 18 42 42 205
5th G. Hill BRM 72 18 2 48 18 18 27 201
6th L. Bandini Ferrari 16 32 72 16 32 168
7th R. Ginther BRM 42 6 20 24 60 12 164
8th J. Brabham Brabham 56 80 15 151
9th J. Siffert Brabham-BRM 57 88 145
10th P. Arundell Lotus 44 80 12 136
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11th B. Anderson Brabham 34 88 122
12th I. Ireland BRP-BRM 28 92 120
13th T. Maggs BRM 26 57 83
14th J. Bonnier Cooper* 38 11 49
15th M. Trintignant BRM 44 44
16th W. Hansgen Lotus 34 34
17th C. Amon Lotus-BRM 20 20
18th M. Hailwood Lotus-BRM 18 18
19th= P. Rodriguez Ferrari 18 18
19th= M. Spence Lotus 10 6 16
21st T. Taylor BRP-BRM 12 12
22nd P. Hill Cooper 10 10
*: Also scored points in a Brabham
Jim Clark deprives Surtees of his title this year. Wonder if Surtees regains one here? With the way this is going, I'm going to doubt it.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 07 Aug 2011, 20:23
by dr-baker
I have been away on my hols to Dumfries, Cumbria and now currently on Isle of Man so have only just got round to doing this.
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1. Button 25 x 4 = 100
7. Di Resta 6 x 15 = 90
3. Alonso 15 x 5 = 75
8. Buemi 4 x 18 = 72
6. Massa 8 x 6 = 48
4. Hamilton 12 x 3 = 36
5. Webber 10 x 2 = 20
10 Alguersuari 1 x 19 = 19
2. Vettel 18 x 1 = 18
9. Rosberg 2 x 8 = 16
Button is a clear winner here, with di Resta making it a British 1-2. Alonso gains another big haul of points while Vettel is consistantly scoring 'small' points.
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4. Alonso 145 x 5 = 725
5. Button 134 x 4 = 536
3. Hamilton 146 x 3 = 438
11 Kobayashi 27 x 16 = 432
6. Massa 70 x 6 = 420
7. Rosberg 48 x 8 = 384
10 Petrov 32 x 10 = 320
8. Heidfeld 34 x 9 = 306
2. Webber 149 x 2 = 298
12 Sutil 18 x 14 = 252
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1. Vettel 234 x 1 = 234
9. Schumacher 32 x 7 = 224
13 Buemi 12 x 18 = 216
14 Alguersuari 10 x 19 = 190
16 Perez 8 x 17 = 136
15 Di Resta 8 x 15 = 120
17 Barrichello 4 x 11 = 44
From 13th downwards sees only Perez and di Resta swap positions; Alonso is dominant at the top; Button has pulled away from Kobayashi; Hamilton has demoted Kobayashi a place and Massa will do so as well next time out likely as not - from now until the end of the season, may I only post individual race results and only do a "big reveal" of the championship positions post-Brazil?
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 16 Aug 2011, 21:24
by dr-baker
OK, I am now home from my holiday to Dumfries (for a weekend), Cumbria (Monday to Friday), Isle Of Man (a week) then Thruxton (for Mini and Truck racing) - about 1500 miles/2400 km of driving. So hopefully, I can try to finish this by the end of the week.
1965Points towards the 1965 World Championship of Drivers were awarded on a 9-6-4-3-2-1 basis to the top six finishers at each round. Only the best six round results could be retained.
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Driver Team S. Africa Monaco Belgium France UK Dutch Germany Italy USA Mexico Total
1st J. Stewart BRM 4 16 48 72 8 72 288 504
2nd J. Clark Lotus 45 153 54 45 54 9 360
3rd G. Hill BRM 12 27 14 20 18 30 54 180 27 338
4th D. Gurney Brabham 7 64 20 48 48 48 235
5th R. Ginther Honda 10 22 99 131
6th L. Bandini Ferrari 102 8 12 6 128
7th J. Siffert Brabham 14 36 48 98
8th B. McLaren Cooper 18 14 16 32 80
9th J. Brabham Brabham 42 8 28 78
10th D. Hulme Brabham 48 28 76
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11th J. Surtees Ferrari 6 54 8 4 72
12th R. Attwood Lotus 40 21 61
13th M. Spence Lotus 18 18 24 60
14th J. Rindt Cooper 36 10 46
15th P. Rodriguez Ferrari 28 28
16th R. Bucknum Honda 24 24
This was Jackie Stewart's debut season. And despite all of Jim Clark's many on-the-track wins, Jackie was able to capitalise on his one good car-number result and this helps him to win the championship by a good margin over his fellow countryman/men (Scottish/British). And Ginther gains two places only, despite a reasonable car number when winning for Honda. This also happens to be the largest points total since 1959.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 16 Aug 2011, 22:35
by dr-baker
1966Points towards the 1966 World Championship of Drivers were awarded on a 9-6-4-3-2-1 basis for the first six places at each race. Only the best five race results could be retained by each driver.
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Driver Team Monaco Belgium France UK Dutch Germany Italy USA Mexico Total
1st J. Brabham Brabham 9 108 45 144 27 30 354
2nd J. Rindt Cooper 114 18 22 32 48 48 264
3rd J. Surtees Ferrari* 54 42 28 63 187
4th D. Hulme Brabham 56 36 48 24 164
5th J. Stewart BRM 108 42 12 162
6th M. Parkes Ferrari 132 24 156
7th M. Spence Lotus 64 84 148
8th G. Hill BRM 44 12 72 15 143
9th L. Bandini Ferrari 96 28 2 9 135
10th D. Gurney Eagle 52 30 82
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11th R. Ginther Cooper 36 36 72
12th= B. Bondurant BRM 57 57
12th= J. Siffert Cooper 57 57
14th L. Scarfiotti Ferrari 54 54
15th B. McLaren McLaren 14 34 48
16th J. Taylor Brabham 44 44
17th B. Anderson Brabham 40 40
18th J. Clark Lotus 3 24 9 36
19th J. Bonnier Cooper 22 22
20th P. Arundell Lotus 2 2
*Surtees also scored points in a Cooper.
Brabham retains the title he scores in real life. Not many people scoring in many races, so not much to report. I have never heard of Bobs Bondurant or Anderson before though. And Arundell's 2 points in a single season is the smallest so far, equal with Behra in 1959, Schekter in 1980 and Satoru Nakajima in 1988. Behra also scored 2 3/7 points in 1954. Lella Lombardi managed quite a relatively remarkable 5 points in 1975 in comparison. (Although it could be argued that Damon Hill went on to break this record in 1993 and 1994 by scoring 0 points, having actually scored with car 0...).
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 17 Aug 2011, 14:12
by dr-baker
1967Championship points were awarded on a 9-6-4-3-2-1 basis to the first six finishers in each round. Only the best five results from the first six races and the best four results from the last five races could be retained by each driver.
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Driver Team S. Africa Monaco Dutch Belgium France UK Germany Canada Italy USA Mexico Total
1st D. Gurney Eagle 324 40 364
2nd J. Clark Lotus 45 21 45 80 45 45 281
3rd J. Surtees Honda 44 7 21 126 9 207
4th= D. Hulme Brabham 6 81 8 24 12 18 12 8 8 177
4th= C. Amon Ferrari 80 9 4 32 32 20 177
4th= J. Rindt Cooper 87 90 177
7th J. Brabham Brabham 1 6 27 3 6 9 96 2 6 154
8th M. Spence BRM 5 24 32 72 16 149
9th G. Hill Lotus 84 12 36 132
10th J. Stewart BRM 84 40 124
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11th P. Rodriguez Cooper 36 22 14 24 21 117
12th J. Love Cooper 102 102
13th J. Stiffert Cooper 54 45 99
14th= B. McLaren McLaren 48 48
14th= J. Bonnier Cooper 32 16 48
16th J. Ickx Cooper 32 32
17th C. Irwin BRM 30 30
18th B. Anderson Brabham 28 28
19th L. Scarfiotti Ferrari 22 22
20th G. Ligier Brabham 15 15
21st M. Parkes Ferrari 8 8
I am sorry to have deprived Denny Hulme of his championship here but happy to award it to Dan Gurney-flap in his Eagle. And I have bumped John Love DOWN a position in this.
That wasn't supposed to happen - this championship was supposed to promote results like that! Maybe if they had used something like the current numbering system?!
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 17 Aug 2011, 16:45
by dr-baker
1968Championship points were awarded on a 9-6-4-3-2-1 basis to the top six placegetters in each race. Only the best five results from the first six races and the best five results from the remaining six races were counted towards a driver's total.
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Driver Team S.Africa Spain Monaco Belgium Dutch France UK Germany Italy Canada USA Mexico Total
1st J. Ickx Ferrari 92 30 234 24 27 32 439
2nd J. Stewart Matra 21 72 112 14 54 14 135 422
3rd G. Hill Lotus 30 90 81 18 9 60 90 378
4th J. Siffert Lotus 198 32 16 246
5th P. Rodriguez BRM 66 60 10 64 24 224
6th J.-P. Beltoise Matra 21 12 102 12 147
7th V. Elford Cooper 90 42 132
8th J. Surtees Honda 96 14 20 130
9th P. Courage BRM 36 81 117
10th R. Attwood BRM 90 90
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11th B. McLaren McLaren 45 12 2 12 71
12th D. Hulme McLaren 2 6 24 16 3 9 9 69
13th= C. Amon Ferrari 24 9 30 63
13th= L. Scarfiotti Cooper 45 18 63
15th B. Redman Cooper 56 56
16th J. Oliver Lotus 4 44 48
17th S. Moser Brabham 44 44
18th L. Bianchi Cooper 28 15 43
19th D. Gurney McLaren 42 42
20th J. Bonnier McLaren 3 34 37
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21st J. Clark Lotus 36 36
22nd J. Rindt Brabham 12 20 32
23rd J. Servoz-Gavin Matra 30 30
24th J. Brabham Brabham 8 8
And the second-most successful Le Mans driver wins this title.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 17 Aug 2011, 19:16
by dr-baker
1969Points were awarded on a 9-6-4-3-2-1 basis to the first six finishers at each round. The best five results from the first six rounds and the best four results from the last five rounds were retained.
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Driver Team S.Africa Spain Monaco Dutch France UK Germany Italy Canada USA Mexico Total
1st J. Stewart Matra 63 63 36 18 27 42 180 9 438
2nd J. Ickx Brabham 4 24 44 42 54 99 42 309
3rd P. Courage Brabham 96 32 64 108 300
4th J.-P. Beltoise Matra 8 32 42 8 88 54 8 240
5th B. McLaren McLaren 12 36 8 15 24 40 54 8 197
6th J. Brabham Brabham 11 72 24 32 139
7th J. Siffert Lotus 12 36 60 22 130
8th D. Hulme McLaren 20 15 3 21 45 104
9th J. Surtees BRM 28 56 84
10th J. Rindt Lotus 6 24 8 18 56
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11th V. Elford McLaren 20 19 39
12th P. Rodriguez Ferrari 10 24 34
13th C. Amon Ferrari 32 32
14th G. Hill Lotus 12 9 2 3 26
15th= J. Servoz-Gavin Matra 19 19
15th= S. Moser Brabham 19 19
17th J. Oliver BRM 15 15
18th R. Attwood Lotus 6 6
The regular world champion wins this alternative title, in large part to just more consistant point-scoring.
And only another 4 years to go! Phew...
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 18 Aug 2011, 19:50
by dr-baker
1970Points were awarded on a 9-6-4-3-2-1 basis to the first six finishers at each round. The best six results from the first seven rounds and the best five results from the last six rounds were retained.
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Driver Team S.Africa Spain Monaco Belgium Dutch France UK Germany Austria Italy Canada USA Mexico Total
1st J. Ickx Ferrari 100 60 108 162 9 27 466
2nd C. Regazzoni Ferrari 78 12 162 36 114 24 426
3rd J.-P. Beltoise Matra 9 100 46 19 160 12 346
4th J. Brabham Brabham 108 30 92 102 332
5th C. Amon March 60 84 32 80 24 36 316
6th D. Hulme McLaren 36 33 57 36 16 90 32 270
7th E. Fittipaldi Lotus 51 216 267
8th P. Rodriguez BRM 17 9 51 42 114 19 252
9th R. Stommelen Brabham 38 42 44 92 216
10th J. Rindt Lotus 27 90 54 18 189
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11th J. Stewart March 4 9 30 108 151
12th H. Pescarolo Matra 36 26 40 14 116
13th R. Wisell Lotus 92 92
14th I. Giunti Ferrari 84 84
15th M. Andretti March 72 72
16th B. McLaren McLaren 66 66
17th G. Hill Lotus 11 18 2 14 45
18th= J. Servoz-Gavin March 32 32
18th= D. Gurney McLaren 32 32
18th= J. Oliver BRM 32 32
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21st J. Surtees McLaren 16 8 24
22nd= J. Miles Lotus 20 20
22nd= F. Cevert March 20 20
24th D. Bell Surtees 18 18
25th P. Gethin McLaren 6 6
Jochen Rindt had bad luck with his allocation of car numbers, with only 4 drivers after him scoring more than once. And Jacky Ickx wins a second title.
EDIT: And who on earth was Ignazio Giunti???
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 18 Aug 2011, 21:32
by dr-baker
1971Points were awarded on a 9-6-4-3-2-1 basis to the first six finishers at each round. The best five results from the first six rounds and the best four results from the last five rounds were retained.
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Driver Team S.Africa Spain Monaco Dutch France UK Germany Austria Italy Canada USA Total
1st R. Peterson March 102 48 108 30 150 102 100 640
2nd J. Stewart Tyrrell 54 99 99 99 108 18 99 16 592
3rd J. Siffert BRM 9 42 126 84 261
4th F. Cevert Tyrrell 72 18 8 12 81 191
5th C. Amon Matra 38 80 40 12 170
6th P. Gethin BRM 162 162
7th H. Pescarolo March 78 25 103
8th P. Rodriguez BRM 42 48 90
9th H. Ganley BRM 38 48 86
10th D. Hulme McLaren 11 18 27 27 83
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11th R. Stommelen Surtees 24 48 72
12th= M. Andretti Ferrari 54 15 69
12th= J. Surtees Surtees 46 23 69
14th C. Regazzoni Ferrari 20 12 24 5 61
15th J. Ickx Ferrari 24 16 18 58
16th T. Schenken Brabham 25 32 57
17th M. Donohue McLaren 40 40
18th M. Hailwood Surtees 27 27
19th R. Wisell Lotus 9 2 9 6 26
20th E. Fittipaldi Lotus 2 4 4 12 22
21st J.-P. Beltoise Matra 21 21
22nd G. Hill Brabham 14 14
When Jackie Stewart was winning all his races with car 11, and thus scoring 99 each time, I was sure he was going to win his third title. And he did score 8 times as opposed to Peterson's 7 times. But I am happy that Peterson won this. And it is looking increasingly unlikely that one of my favourite statistics will be repeated in this alternative - in real life, every F1 driver with the surname Hill, whether related to another or not, wins at least one F1 title, but Graham is unlikely to do so here.
Not every Fittipaldi does in either reality or here, nor Brabham, nor Taylor, nor Stewart, nor Villeneuve, etc.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 21:15
by dr-baker
Finally, the last two years have been calculated and thus, first, here is:
1972Points for the 1972 World Championship of Drivers were awarded on a 9-6-4-3-2-1 basis to the top six placegetters in each race. For classification, only the best five results from the first half of the season and the best five results from the second half of the season could be retained.
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Driver Team Argentina S.Africa Spain Monaco Belgium France UK Germany Austria Italy Canada USA Total
1st E. Fittipaldi Lotus 48 45 32 288 6 72 279 54 824
2nd D. Hulme McLaren 102 108 36 36 72 56 72 76 558
3rd P. Revson McLaren 56 40 76 56 45 114 387
4th M. Hailwood Surtees 102 26 75 60 263
5th J. Stewart Tyrrell 189 3 36 6 9 9 252
6th J.-P. Beltoise BRM 153 153
7th J. Ickx Ferrari 32 24 36 36 14 142
8th C. Amon Matra 16 5 36 51 20 4 132
9th C. Reggazoni Ferrari 27 24 54 22 127
10th R. Peterson March 14 6 24 40 12 96
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11th G. Hill Brabham 19 11 56 86
12th F. Cevert Tyrrell 48 21 12 81
13th A. de Adamich Surtees 78 78
14th C. Pace March 29 32 61
15th H. Ganley BRM 51 9 60
16th B. Redman McLaren 30 10 40
17th T. Schenken Surtees 38 38
18th M. Andretti Ferrari 21 9 30
19th C. Reutemann Brabham 24 24
20th P. Gethin BRM 23 23
21st A. Merzario Ferrari 6 6
Emerson gets to keep his real-life title with the highest points total since Ascari in 1952.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 21:22
by dr-baker
And the final year, where permanent numbers were introduced as the season progressed:
1973Points for the 1973 World Championship of Drivers were awarded on a 9-6-4-3-2-1 basis to the top six placegetters in each race.
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Driver Team One Two Three Four Five Six Seven Eight Nine Ten Eleven Twelve Thirteen Fourteen Fifteen Total
1st J. Hunt March 27 81 108 162 378
2nd J. Stewart Tyrrell 24 18 27 45 45 10 15 45 45 30 15 10 329
3rd P. Revson McLaren 36 18 16 72 24 32 72 16 286
4th F. Cevert Tyrrell 48 24 36 18 24 36 12 36 36 12 282
5th J. Ickx Ferrari 54 18 3 6 120 201
6th D. Hulme McLaren 28 28 10 5 7 63 28 21 190
7th J.-P. Beltoise BRM 30 40 40 60 170
8th C. Reutemann Brabham 30 40 10 30 10 40 160
9th C. Pace Surtees 72 72 144
10th R. Peterson Lotus 8 12 18 12 18 18 18 104
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11th G. Follmer Shadow 23 80 103
12th J. Oliver Shadow 68 68
13th E. Fittipaldi Lotus 18 9 4 9 4 6 1 6 6 1 64
14th A. Merzario Ferrari 30 27 57
15th N. Lauda BRM 42 42
16th W. Fittipaldi Brabham 12 22 34
17th C. Regazzoni BRM 14 19 33
18th A. de Adamich Brabham 27 27
19th G. Van Lennep Iso Marlboro 26 26
20th H. Ganley Iso Marlboro 25 25
21st C. Amon Tecno 22 22
James Hunt becomes a three-time champion, joining only Fangio (4 titles), Berger, Senna, Raikkonen and Button. It seemed a close battle between Stewart and Cervert, both scoring many times, but was denied higher car numbers in later races (Hunt had 27 while the Tyrrells had 5 & 6).
1. Argentina
2. Brazil
3. South Africa
4. Spain
5. Belgium
6. Monaco
7. Sweden
8. France
9. Britain
10 Netherlands
11 Germany
12 Austria
13 Italy
14 Canada
15 USA
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 18 Nov 2011, 21:34
by dr-baker
OK, so I haven't updated this since the Hungarian GP in August due to holidays, attending a motor race in Monza, moving to uni, making new friends, lectures, doing Movember, commencing assignments, booking a minibus test, and so on and so forth. Now I am trying to avoid doing an assignment so I decided to catch up on this. Out of the seven races since then, in this alternative championship, we have had 5 winners, with a Toro Rosso winning thrice! So here we go, one race at a time!
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 18 Nov 2011, 21:35
by dr-baker
Belgian GP 2011Code: Select all
7. Sutil 14 x 6 = 84
5. Schumacher 7 x 10 = 70
6. Rosberg 8 x 8 = 64
3. Button 4 x 15 = 60
4. Alonso 5 x 12 = 60
2. Webber 2 x 18 = 36
1. Vettel 1 x 25 = 25
8. Massa 6 x 4 = 24
9. Petrov 10 x 2 = 20
10 Maldonaldo 12 x 1 = 12
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 18 Nov 2011, 21:35
by dr-baker
Italian GP 2011Code: Select all
7. Alguersuari 19 x 6 = 114
3. Alonso 5 x 15 = 75
2. Button 4 x 18 = 72
5. Schumacher 7 x 10 = 70
6. Massa 6 x 8 = 48
4. Hamilton 3 x 12 = 36
8. di Resta 8 x 4 = 32
1. Vettel 1 x 25 = 25
9. Senna 9 x 2 = 18
10 Buemi 18 x 1 = 18
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 18 Nov 2011, 21:36
by dr-baker
Singapore GP 2011Code: Select all
6. di Resta 15 x 8 = 120
2. Button 4 x 18 = 72
4. Alonso 5 x 12 = 60
8. Sutil 14 x 4 = 56
7. Rosberg 8 x 6 = 48
3. Webber 2 x 15 = 30
5. Hamilton 3 x 10 = 30
1. Vettel 1 x 25 = 25
10 Perez 17 x 1 = 17
9. Massa 6 x 2 = 12
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 18 Nov 2011, 21:37
by dr-baker
Japanese GP 2011Code: Select all
1. Button 4 x 25 = 100
2. Alonso 5 x 18 = 90
8. Perez 17 x 4 = 68
6. Schumacher 7 x 8 = 56
7. Massa 6 x 6 = 36
5. Hamilton 3 x 10 = 30
4. Webber 2 x 12 = 24
9. Petrov 10 x 2 = 20
3. Vettel 1 x 15 = 15
10 Rosberg 8 x 1 = 8
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 18 Nov 2011, 21:38
by dr-baker
Korean GP 2011Code: Select all
7. Alguersuari 19 x 6 = 114
3. Webber 4 x 15 = 60
2. Hamilton 3 x 18 = 54
5. Alonso 5 x 10 = 50
4. Button 4 x 12 = 48
6. Massa 6 x 8 = 48
9. Buemi 18 x 2 = 36
8. Rosberg 8 x 4 = 32
1. Vettel 1 x 25 = 25
10 di Resta 15 x 1 = 15
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 18 Nov 2011, 21:38
by dr-baker
Indian GP 2011Code: Select all
8. Alguersuari 19 x 4 = 76
3. Alonso 5 x 15 = 75
2. Button 4 x 18 = 72
5. Schumacher 7 x 10 = 70
6. Rosberg 8 x 8 = 64
9. Sutil 14 x 2 = 28
1. Vettel 1 x 25 = 25
4. Webber 2 x 12 = 24
7. Hamilton 3 x 6 = 18
10 Perez 17 x 1 = 17
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 18 Nov 2011, 21:39
by dr-baker
Abu Dhabi GP 2011Code: Select all
2. Alonso 5 x 18 = 90
1. Hamilton 3 x 25 = 75
6. Rosberg 8 x 8 = 64
3. Button 4 x 15 = 60
5. Massa 6 x 10 = 60
8. Sutil 14 x 4 = 56
7. Schumacher 7 x 6 = 42
9. di Resta 15 x 2 = 30
4. Webber 2 x 12 = 24
10 Kobayashi 16 x 1 = 16
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 18 Nov 2011, 21:53
by dr-baker
Overall Championship PositionsTop 10
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3. Alonso 5 x 245 = 1225
2. Button 4 x 255 = 1020
5. Hamilton 3 x 227 = 831
7. Rosberg 8 x 83 = 664
6. Massa 6 x 108 = 648
8. Schumacher 7 x 76 = 532
13 Alguersuari 19 x 26 = 494
11 Sutil 14 x 34 = 476
4. Webber 2 x 233 = 466
12 Kobayashi 16 x 28 = 448
11th to 19th
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1. Vettel 1 x 374 = 374
9. Petrov 10 x 36 = 360
14 di Resta 15 x 23 = 345
10 Heidfeld 9 x 34 = 306
15 Buemi 18 x 15 = 270
16 Perez 17 x 14 = 238
17 Barrichello 11 x 4 = 44
18 Senna 9 x 2 = 18
19 Maldonaldo 12 x 1 = 12
Alonso has this won. Button could score a maximum of 100 in Brazil, leaving him short. If D'Ambrosio were to win against all the odds, he would 'only' score 625, nowhere near enough to overcome Alonso.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 22 Mar 2012, 23:35
by dr-baker
Start of a new season, so time to revive this thread. A reminder - car numbers are issued based on the constructors championship of the year before. And one would typically expect a team to do roughly the same year-on-year. So if they start doing better one year realtive to the year before, they ought to be rewarded for this, right? So how to do this? Use their allocated car number as a point multiplier!
So here are the results for Australia 2012, to see who has done better/worse than expected, based on last year's championship results!
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6. Kobayashi 8 x 14 = 112
1. Button 25 x 3 = 75
8. Perez 4 x 15 = 60
3. Hamilton 15 x 4 = 60
7. Raikkonen 6 x 9 = 54
5. Alonso 10 x 5 = 50
9. Ricciardo 2 x 16 = 32
4. Webber 12 x 2 = 24
2. Vettel 18 x 1 = 18
10 Di Resta 1 x 11 = 11
Last year, Renault started the season well with a couple of wins, before fading away as the season progressed. They could have done the same again last weekend if Fat John had finished where he qualified. But both Sauber drivers this year, Kobayashi and Perez, have instead got off to a good start, as has Button.
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 06 Apr 2013, 17:04
by dr-baker
Didn't realise that it was a whole year since I last updated this! Anyway, here is a summary of the 2012 season! (This is where the points total is multiplied by the car number to reward the smaller teams - theoretically...)
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Driver Final total
1. Raikkonen 1863
2. Alonso 1390
3. Perez 990
4. Grosjean 960
5. Kobayashi 840
6. Maldonado 810
7. Hamilton 760
8. Hulkenberg 756
9. Rosberg 744
10 Massa 732
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11 Senna 589
12 Button 564
13 di Resta 506
14 Webber 358
15 Schumacher 343
16 Vettel 281
17 Vergne 272
18 Ricciardo 160
A brilliant result for Kimi on his comeback and also for McLaren's 2013 recruit Sergio Perez. Terrible for Senna, even with a larger car number than his teammate, who finished a decent 6th, despite only a handful of points finishes. (Sorry for the lack of showing calculations - formatting problems!)
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Team No. 1 No. 2 Total
1. Lotus 1863 960 2823
2. Ferrari 1390 732 2122
3. Sauber 990 840 1830
4. Williams 810 589 1399
5. McLaren 760 564 1324
6. Force India 756 506 1262
7. Mercedes 744 343 1087
8. Red Bull 358 281 639
9. Toro Rosso 272 160 432
So a good year for Team Enstone and Sauber. Terrible for Toro Rosso, depite running much larger car numbers than their A team...
Just about to update the overall list.
EDIT: Just realised I didn't update 2011 either to post-Brazil, so just about to do that too...
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 06 Apr 2013, 17:53
by dr-baker
Please ignore - I got McLaren's numbers the wrong way round!!!So, finally, more than a year late, I present the...
2011 Season TotalTop-10
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Driver Team car number points total revised total
Fernando Alonso Ferrari 5 257 1285
Lewis Hamilton McLaren 4 227 908
Jenson Button McLaren 3 270 810
Nico Rosberg Mercedes 8 89 712
Felipe Massa Ferrari 6 118 708
Adrian Sutil Force India 14 42 588
Michael Schumacher Mercedes 7 76 532
Mark Webber Red Bull 2 258 516
Jamie Alguersuari Toro Rosso 19 26 494
Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 16 30 480
11th to 18th
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Paul di Resta Force India 15 27 405
Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1 392 392
Vitaly Petrov Renault 10 37 370
Nick Heidfeld Renault 9 34 306
Sebastian Buemi Toro Rosso 18 15 270
Sergio Perez Sauber 17 14 238
Rubens Barrichello Williams 11 4 44
Pastor Maldonaldo Williams 12 1 12
First time since the the 1980s that a driver has won this championship two years in a row (Gerhard Berger in '87/'88 and Michele Albereto in '84/'85).
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 06 Apr 2013, 18:11
by dr-baker
A reminder of the overall championship tables...
Original Car Number Allocation System (1950 - 1973)Car numbers would vary from race-to-race, with numbers allocated by race organisers.
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Year Driver Points Driver's Team
1950 Juan-Manuel Fangio 458 Alfa Romeo
1951 Juan-Manuel Fangio 979 Alfa Romeo
1952 Alboreto Ascari 1218 Ferrari
1953 Juan-Manuel Fangio 762 Maserati
1954 Juan-Manuel Fangio 686 Maserati, Mercedes
1955 Maurice Trintignant 389 1/3 Ferrari
1956 Stirling Moss 699 Maserati
1957 Stirling Moss 502 Maserati, Vanwall
1958 George Amick 594 Epperly
1959 Phil Hill 544 Ferrari
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1960 Olivier Gendebien 400 Cooper
1961 Giancarlo Baghetti 450 Ferrari
1962 Bruce McLaren 452 Cooper
1963 Jim Clark 428 Lotus
1964 Jim Clark 416 Lotus
1965 Jackie Stewart 504 BRM
1966 Jack Brabham 354 Brabham
1967 Dan Gurney 364 Eagle
1968 Jacky Ickx 439 Ferrari
1969 Jackie Stewart 438 Matra
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1970 Jacky Ickx 466 Ferrari
1971 Ronnie Peterson 640 March
1972 Emerson Fittipaldi 824 Lotus
1973 James Hunt 378 March
Prior to 1996, the teams tended to keep the same numbers unless/until they won the championship (when they then swapped with the previous holders of the numbers 1 & 2). Here are my results for the originally-allocated numbers.
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Year Driver No. Points Driver's Team Winning Constructor
1974 Clay Regazzoni 11 572 Ferrari Ferrari
1975 James Hunt 24 792 Hesketh Ferrari
1976 James Hunt 11 759 McLaren McLaren
1977 Jody Scheckter 20 1100 Wolf Ferrari
1978 Carlos Reutemann 11 528 Ferrari Ferrari
1979 Alan Jones 27 1080 Williams Williams
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1980 Alan Jones 27 1809 Williams Williams
1981 Jacques Laffite 26 1144 Ligier Ligier
1982 Didier Pironi 28 1092 Ferrari Ferrari
1983 Rene Arnoux 28 1372 Ferrari Ferrari
1984 Michele Alboreto 27 823.5 Ferrari Ferrari
1985 Michele Alboreto 27 1431 Ferrari Ferrari
1986 Ayrton Senna 12 660 Lotus Ferrari
1987 Gerhard Berger 28 1008 Ferrari Ferrari
1988 Gerhard Berger 28 1148 Ferrari McLaren
1989 Nigel Mansell 27 1026 Ferrari Ferrari
('87* Philippe Alliot 30 1290 Larrousse Larrousse)
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1990 Ayrton Senna 27 2106 McLaren McLaren
1991 Alain Prost 27 918 Ferrari Ferrari
1992 Michael Schumacher 19 1007 Benetton Benetton
1993 Ayrton Senna 8 584 McLaren Ferrari
1994 Gerhard Berger 28 1148 Ferrari Ferrari
1995 Jean Alesi 27 1134 Ferrari Ferrari
*=Jim Clark/Colin Chapman Trophies for normally-aspirated cars
In 1996, teams would no longer keep the numbers with which they raced for many years and the numbers are now allocated based upon finishing order in the previous year's Constructors' Championship.
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Year Winner car no. Points Original position
1996 Damon Hill 5 485 1st
1997 David Coulthard 10 360 3rd=
1998 Mika Hakkinen 8 800 1st
1999 Heinz-Harald Frentzen 8 432 3rd
2000 Jacques Villeneuve 22 374 7th
2001 David Coulthard 4 260 2nd
2002 Juan-Pablo Montoya 6 300 3rd
2003 Kimi Raikkonen 6 546 2nd
2004 Jenson Button 9 765 3rd
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2005 Kimi Raikkonen 9 1008 2nd
2006 Jenson Button 12 672 6th
2007 Kimi Raikkonen 6 660 1st
2008 Lewis Hamilton 22 2156 1st
2009 Jenson Button 22 2090 1st
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2010 Fernando Alonso 8 2016 2nd
2011 Fernando Alonso 5 1285 4th
2012 Kimi Raikkonen 9 1863 3rd
Meaning the following drivers have the following number of titles:
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Juan-Manuel Fangio 4 ('50, '51. '53, '54)
Kimi Raikkonen 4 ('03, '05, '07, '12)
James Hunt 3 ('73, '75, '76)
Ayrton Senna 3 ('86, '90, '93)
Gerhard Berger 3 ('87, '88, '94)
Jenson Button 3 ('04, '06, '09)
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Stirling Moss 2 ('56, '57)
Jim Clark 2 ('63, '64)
Jackie Stewart 2 ('65, '69)
Jacky Ickx 2 ('68, '70)
Alan Jones 2 ('79, '80)
Michele Alboreto 2 ('84, '85)
David Coulthard 2 ('97,'01)
Fernando Alonso 2 ('10, '11)
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Alberto Ascari 1 ('52)
Maurice Trintignant 1 ('55)
George Amick 1 ('58)
Phil Hill 1 ('59)
Olivier Gendebien 1 ('60)
Giancarlo Baghetti 1 ('61)
Bruce McLaren 1 ('62)
Jack Brabham 1 ('66)
Dan Gurney 1 ('67)
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Ronnie Peterson 1 ('71)
Emerson Fittipaldi 1 ('72)
Clay Regazzoni 1 ('74)
Jody Scheckter 1 ('77)
Carlos Reutemann 1 ('78)
Jacques Laffite 1 ('81)
Didier Pironi 1 ('82)
Rene Arnoux 1 ('83)
Nigel Mansell 1 ('89)
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Alain Prost 1 ('91)
Michael Schumacher 1 ('92)
Jean Alesi 1 ('95)
Damon Hill 1 ('96)
Mika Hakkinen 1 ('98)
Heinz-Harald Frentzen 1 ('99)
Jacques Villeneuve 1 ('00)
Juan-Pablo Montoya 1 ('02)
Lewis Hamilton 1 ('08)
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 06 Apr 2013, 19:58
by UncreativeUsername37
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1999 Heinz-Harald Frentzen 8 432 3rd
The incontrovertible proof that Frentzen was the best driver of 1999!
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 07 Apr 2013, 07:47
by James1978
Great stuff!
Minor quibble though - the McLaren drivers' numbers are the wrong way round in 2011. Hamilton had 3 and Button 4 due to Hamilton finishing higher in 2010, that was reversed in 2012 due to Button being ahead in 2011!
Also I'd be interested to see what 2008 would look like had McLaren been assigned their numbers on merit. (ie give them 3 and 4 then move every other team's numbers accordinlgy)!
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 07 Apr 2013, 13:29
by dr-baker
James1978 wrote:Great stuff!
Minor quibble though - the McLaren drivers' numbers are the wrong way round in 2011. Hamilton had 3 and Button 4 due to Hamilton finishing higher in 2010, that was reversed in 2012 due to Button being ahead in 2011!
Also I'd be interested to see what 2008 would look like had McLaren been assigned their numbers on merit. (ie give them 3 and 4 then move every other team's numbers accordinlgy)!
OK. On the to-do list for this afternoon, to sort out 2011 and to do the alternate 2008! (Bound to be a different winner!)
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 07 Apr 2013, 16:13
by dr-baker
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:dr-baker wrote:Code: Select all
1999 Heinz-Harald Frentzen 8 432 3rd
The incontrovertible proof that Frentzen was the best driver of 1999!
Thanks for taking the time to look through this. And yes, it may well imply that, which makes me sadder, having been a Damon Hill fan through the 1990s...
James1978 wrote:Great stuff!
Minor quibble though - the McLaren drivers' numbers are the wrong way round in 2011. Hamilton had 3 and Button 4 due to Hamilton finishing higher in 2010, that was reversed in 2012 due to Button being ahead in 2011!
OK, so for the corrected tables!
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Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Fernando Alonso Ferrari 5 257 1285 4th
2nd Jenson Button McLaren 4 270 1080 2nd
3rd Nico Rosberg Mercedes 8 89 712 7th
4th Felipe Massa Ferrari 6 118 708 6th
5th Lewis Hamilton McLaren 3 227 681 5th
6th Adrian Sutil Force India 14 42 588 9th
7th Michael Schumacher Mercedes 7 76 532 8th
8th Mark Webber Red Bull 2 258 516 3rd
9th Jamie Alguersuari Toro Rosso 19 26 494 14th
10th Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 16 30 480 12th
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11th Paul di Resta Force India 15 27 405 13th
12th Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1 392 392 1st
13th Vitaly Petrov Renault 10 37 370 10th
14th Nick Heidfeld Renault 9 34 306 11th
15th Sebastian Buemi Toro Rosso 18 15 270 15th
16th Sergio Perez Sauber 17 14 238 16th
17th Rubens Barrichello Williams 11 4 44 17th
18th Pastor Maldonaldo Williams 12 1 12 18th
So originally, maybe I just wanted to make the British drivers look better? Lewis loses out with my mistake corrected. And Williams did have a disastrous season...
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Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Kimi Raikkonen Team Enstone 9 207 1863 3rd
2nd Fernando Alonso Ferrari 5 278 1390 2nd
3rd Sergio Perez Sauber 15 66 990 10th
4th Romain Grosjean Team Enstone 10 96 960 8th
5th Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 14 60 840 12th
6th Pastor Maldonado Williams 18 45 810 15th
7th Lewis Hamilton McLaren 4 190 760 4th
8th Nico Hulkenberg Force India 12 63 756 11th
9th Nico Rosberg Mercedes 8 93 744 9th
10th Felipe Massa Ferrari 6 122 732 7th
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11th Bruno Senna Williams 19 31 589 16th
12th Jenson Button McLaren 3 188 564 5th
13th Paul di Resta Force India 11 46 506 14th
14th Mark Webber Red Bull 2 179 358 6th
15th Michael Schumacher Mercedes 7 49 343 13th
16th Sebastien Vettel Red Bull 1 281 281 1st
17th Jules Vergne Toro Rosso 17 16 272 17th
18th Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso 16 10 160 18th
A good season for Sauber and for TTTLTBKAL (The team That Likes To Be Known As Lotus). And again, a poor season for the reigning world champs!
James1978 wrote:Also I'd be interested to see what 2008 would look like had McLaren been assigned their numbers on merit. (ie give them 3 and 4 then move every other team's numbers accordingly)!
Are you sure? At the time, I am sure most of us would have taken much joy from this, but with hindsight, maybe not? Still, it gives a title to TTFKAM (The Team Formerly Known As Minardi)...
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Driver Team car number points total revised total original position
1st Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso 17 35 595 8th
2nd Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 6 75 450 3rd=
3rd Jarno Trulli Toyota 14 31 434 9th
4th Fernando Alonso Renault 7 61 427 5th
5th Timo Glock Toyota 15 25 375 10th
6th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 5 60 300 6th
7th Lewis Hamilton McLaren 3 98 294 1st
8th Rubens Barrichello Honda 23 11 253 14th
9th Mark Webber Red Bull 12 21 252 11th
10th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 4 53 212 7th
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11th Felipe Massa Ferrari 2 97 194 2nd
12th Nico Rosberg Williams 9 17 153 13th
13th Nelson Piquet Renault 8 19 152 12th
14th Kazuki Nakajima Williams 10 9 90 15th
15th David Coulthard Red Bull 11 8 88 16th
16th Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1 75 75 3rd=
17th Jenson Button Honda 22 3 66 18th
18th Sebastien Boudais Toro Rosso 16 4 64 17th
Really emphasises the difference between the two Sebs that season, doesn't it?
Re: Car numbers alternative championship
Posted: 07 Apr 2013, 17:11
by Salamander
dr-baker wrote:Really emphasises the difference between the two Sebs that season, doesn't it?
Especially the difference in luck. Vettel had all his bad luck out of the way before the Toro Rosso was on form, while Bourdais lost a potential podium at Monza due to a car problem - though he still set fastest lap in that race. He lost another possible podium at Spa with that last-moment downpour, and then there was that ridiculous penalty he got in Fuji.