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James1978 wrote:It's early days but I'm guessing Rosberg, Perez and Grosjean should be able to get into the mix too.


And don't forget the two Force Indias who could throw a cat amongst the pigeons like they did with Sutil yesterday.
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2013 (after 2 races)

Mark Webber 43 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Felipe Massa 40 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Romain Grosjean 22 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Nico Rosberg 18 (1 2nd)
Sergio Pérez 16 (2 6ths)
Adrian Sutil 15 (1 3rd)
Paul Di Resta 12 (1 4th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 12 (2 7ths)
Nico Hülkenberg 10 (1 5th)
Valtteri Bottas 6 (1 8th, 1 9th)
Esteban Gutiérrez 6 (1 8th, 1 9th)
Jules Bianchi 2 (2 10ths)
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2013 (after 3 races)

Felipe Massa 65 (2 wins, 1 3rd)
Mark Webber 43 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Romain Grosjean 34 (2 4ths, 1 5th)
Paul Di Resta 27 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Sergio Pérez 24 (3 6ths)
Nico Hülkenberg 20 (2 5ths)
Nico Rosberg 18 (1 2nd)
Daniel Ricciardo 18 (1 2nd)
Jean-Éric Vergne 18 (3 7ths)
Adrian Sutil 15 (1 3rd)
Valtteri Bottas 10 (2 8ths, 1 9th)
Esteban Gutiérrez 6 (1 8th, 1 9th)
Jules Bianchi 3 (3 10ths)
Pastor Maldonado 2 (1 9th)
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2013 (after 4 races)

Felipe Massa 66 (2 wins, 1 3rd, 1 10th)
Romain Grosjean 59 (1 win, 2 4ths, 1 5th)
Mark Webber 55 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 4th)
Paul Di Resta 45 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th)
Sergio Pérez 39 (1 3rd, 3 6ths)
Nico Rosberg 28 (1 2nd, 1 5th)
Nico Hülkenberg 26 (2 5ths, 1 7th)
Adrian Sutil 19 (1 3rd, 1 8th)
Daniel Ricciardo 18 (1 2nd)
Jean-Éric Vergne 18 (3 7ths)
Valtteri Bottas 12 (2 8ths, 2 9ths)
Pastor Maldonado 10 (1 6th, 1 9th)
Esteban Gutiérrez 6 (1 8th, 1 9th)
Jules Bianchi 3 (3 10ths)
Charles Pic 0 (3 11ths)
Max Chilton 0 (2 12ths)
Giedo van der Garde 0 (1 12th)
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2013 (after 5 races)

Felipe Massa 91 (3 wins, 1 3rd, 1 10th)
Mark Webber 73 (1 win, 2 2nds, 1 4th)
Romain Grosjean 59 (1 win, 2 4ths, 1 5th)
Paul Di Resta 57 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 4ths)
Sergio Pérez 49 (1 3rd, 1 5th, 3 6ths)
Nico Rosberg 43 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 5th)
Nico Hülkenberg 27 (2 5ths, 1 7th, 1 10th)
Daniel Ricciardo 26 (1 2nd, 1 6th)
Adrian Sutil 23 (1 3rd, 2 8ths)
Jean-Éric Vergne 18 (3 7ths)
Pastor Maldonado 12 (1 6th, 2 9ths)
Esteban Gutiérrez 12 (1 7th, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Valtteri Bottas 12 (2 8ths, 2 9ths)
Jules Bianchi 3 (3 10ths)
Charles Pic 0 (4 11ths)
Max Chilton 0 (2 12ths)
Giedo van der Garde 0 (1 12th)
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Looks interesting so far. Masse must be a contender this year with the pace he has shown at the first 5 races.
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2013 (after 6 races)

Felipe Massa 91 (3 wins, 1 3rd, 1 10th)
Mark Webber 91 (1 win, 3 2nds, 1 4th)
Nico Rosberg 68 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 5th)
Paul Di Resta 67 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 4ths, 1 5th)
Romain Grosjean 59 (1 win, 2 4ths, 1 5th)
Sergio Pérez 49 (1 3rd, 1 5th, 3 6ths)
Adrian Sutil 38 (2 3rds, 2 8ths)
Nico Hülkenberg 35 (2 5ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 30 (1 4th, 3 7ths)
Daniel Ricciardo 26 (1 2nd, 1 6th)
Valtteri Bottas 18 (1 7th, 2 8ths, 2 9ths)
Esteban Gutiérrez 16 (1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 9th)
Pastor Maldonado 12 (1 6th, 2 9ths)
Jules Bianchi 3 (3 10ths)
Max Chilton 2 (1 9th)
Giedo van der Garde 1 (1 10th)
Charles Pic 0 (4 11ths)


A disastrous weekend for Massa! He still leads the championship on countback, though. An inspired win by Rosberg moves him up to 3rd overall; could he be a dark horse? First points for Chilton and Van der Garde.
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It's time to update the last couple of races:

2013 (after 8 races)

Mark Webber 134 (2 wins, 4 2nds, 1 4th)
Felipe Massa 116 (3 wins, 2 3rds, 1 5th, 1 10th)
Nico Rosberg 111 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 5th)
Paul Di Resta 87 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 3 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th)
Romain Grosjean 63 (1 win, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 8th)
Adrian Sutil 58 (2 3rds, 1 4th, 1 6th, 2 8ths)
Sergio Pérez 55 (1 3rd, 1 5th, 3 6ths, 1 7th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 45 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 3 7ths)
Nico Hülkenberg 41 (2 5ths, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 1 10th)
Daniel Ricciardo 37 (1 2nd, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 10th)
Valtteri Bottas 22 (1 7th, 2 8ths, 4 9ths)
Esteban Gutiérrez 17 (1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Pastor Maldonado 16 (1 6th, 1 8th, 2 9ths)
Jules Bianchi 3 (3 10ths)
Max Chilton 2 (1 9th)
Giedo van der Garde 1 (1 10th)
Charles Pic 0 (5 11ths)


With Mercedes' recently discovered ability to preserve the tyres over a race distance, Nico Rosberg joins the leaders and the championship battle becomes a three-way one.
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It's time to update this at the half-season point:

2013 (after 10 races)

Mark Webber 177 (3 wins, 5 2nds, 1 4th)
Felipe Massa 131 (3 wins, 3 3rds, 1 5th, 1 10th)
Nico Rosberg 123 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th)
Romain Grosjean 106 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 8th)
Paul Di Resta 95 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 3 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths)
Sergio Pérez 82 (2 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 3 6ths, 1 7th)
Adrian Sutil 62 (2 3rds, 1 4th, 1 6th, 3 8ths)
Nico Hülkenberg 59 (3 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 10th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 51 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 4 7ths)
Pastor Maldonado 27 (1 5th, 1 6th, 1 8th, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Daniel Ricciardo 47 (1 2nd, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Valtteri Bottas 22 (1 7th, 2 8ths, 4 9ths)
Esteban Gutiérrez 19 (1 7th, 2 8ths, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Giedo van der Garde 3 (1 9th, 1 10th)
Jules Bianchi 3 (3 10ths)
Max Chilton 2 (1 9th)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)


Just like in the parallel championship it looks like Alonso, Hamilton and Räikkönen are taking points out of each other and won't be able to mount a challenge on Vettel's fourth title, here Massa, Rosberg and Grosjean are also taking points out of each other and letting Webber run away with title number four. At least, we know that it will be the final title for Webber! :lol:

A good race for the Caterhams here, with both cars scoring points and Van der Garde leapfrogging Bianchi.
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Wow, I hadn't updated this for three races.

2013 (after 13 races)

Mark Webber 221 (4 wins, 6 2nds, 1 4th, 1 10th)
Nico Rosberg 185 (4 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 2 4ths, 1 5th)
Felipe Massa 182 (3 wins, 2 2nds, 4 3rds, 1 5th, 1 10th)
Romain Grosjean 126 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 3 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 8th)
Sergio Pérez 109 (3 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 3 6ths, 3 7ths)
Paul Di Resta 95 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 3 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths)
Nico Hülkenberg 88 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 3 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Adrian Sutil 82 (2 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 3 8ths)
Daniel Ricciardo 65 (1 2nd, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 57 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 4 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Pastor Maldonado 37 (1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 8th, 3 9ths, 1 10th)
Esteban Gutiérrez 30 (2 7ths, 3 8ths, 2 9ths, 2 10ths)
Valtteri Bottas 27 (1 7th, 3 8ths, 4 9ths, 1 10th)
Giedo van der Garde 3 (1 9th, 1 10th)
Jules Bianchi 3 (3 10ths)
Max Chilton 2 (1 9th)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)


Yesterday we had an interesting situation. As you know, Mark Webber retired but was classified as one lap down, in front of the Caterhams and Marussias. In this parallel world, the race winner being Rosberg, there exists the possibility that those people would have overtaken Webber, as they wouldn't have been lapped. That is, let's suppose that Webber completed lap 60, then came Vettel to complete the race, then came Van der Garde to complete lap 60 and then came Rosberg. As here I have no Vettel, I could argue that, in this world, VdG would have finished in front of Webber (and scored a point for 10th) because he would have completed the full lap distance.

This came up a couple of times when I originally ran this championship, and the solution is simple but logical: I cannot assume that the people behind Webber would have completed the final of the race, because they never did it at competitive speeds. So when this situation appears, the real results are taken at face value and no position correction is done. Well, in this particular case it wouldn't have been necessary: Rosberg finished the race 51.1s behind Vettel, and VdG crossed the line 73.9s after Webber, as evidenced by live timing data.

And who knows, maybe that point will make Webber proud in a couple of months! For the time being he retains an edge in the title race, although yesterday's race has made things a little bit closer. Can Rosberg or Massa avoid another easy Webber title?

On other matters, Pérez is still quite a way behind his 2012 tally of 154 points, but at 109 it doesn't seem impossible that he finally beats it. I thought he would stand no chance, but if he keeps scoring at the rate he has for the whole year, he will manage to do it in the final race. Of course, his final part of 2012 was so crap it explains that he didn't score more. It still shows how poor this year's McLaren has been...

Looking at the future, 2014 could be interesting. If Massa can't find a seat, all the titles between 2006-2013 (as long as Webber wins this year, which looks likely; if not, 2006-2012) will be definitely settled (not that I think that Massa can win a WC now, but still...). Next year will probably feature Ricciardo vs Rosberg (and maybe Pérez if McLaren come back), but I feel both of them could become real champions at some point in the future...
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2013 (after 14 races)

Mark Webber 221 (4 wins, 6 2nds, 1 4th, 1 10th)
Nico Rosberg 200 (4 wins, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 5th)
Felipe Massa 194 (3 wins, 2 2nds, 4 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 10th)
Romain Grosjean 151 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 3 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 8th)
Sergio Pérez 119 (3 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 3 6ths, 3 7ths)
Nico Hülkenberg 106 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 3 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Paul Di Resta 95 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 3 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths)
Adrian Sutil 82 (2 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 3 8ths)
Daniel Ricciardo 65 (1 2nd, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 57 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 4 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Pastor Maldonado 41 (1 5th, 2 6ths, 2 8ths, 3 9ths, 1 10th)
Esteban Gutiérrez 38 (1 6th, 2 7ths, 3 8ths, 2 9ths, 2 10ths)
Valtteri Bottas 33 (2 7ths, 3 8ths, 4 9ths, 1 10th)
Giedo van der Garde 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths)
Charles Pic 3 (1 9th, 1 10th)
Jules Bianchi 3 (3 10ths)
Max Chilton 2 (1 9th)


The race is getting hot! 21 points with five races to go is by far Webber's smallest lead since his winning streak started in 2010 (the previous lowest was 66 points, last year). Rosberg and Massa have a realistic shot now, and Grosjean is still in the hunt. Can Webber recover his lost form one more time before going into retirement? It could very well be the case, particularly from the moment a certain German clinches the title in the parallel championship...
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Don't really know who I want to win this alternative championship. Webber winning 4 years on the trot then retiring would certainly be interesting, but so would seeing a "new" champion in Rosberg or Grosjean.

I would like to see someone outside the top 4 win a race though! :)
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2013 (after 15 races)

Mark Webber 246 (5 wins, 6 2nds, 1 4th, 1 10th)
Nico Rosberg 210 (4 wins, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 2 5ths)
Felipe Massa 202 (3 wins, 2 2nds, 4 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 10th)
Romain Grosjean 169 (3 wins, 2 2nds, 3 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 8th)
Nico Hülkenberg 121 (1 2nd, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 3 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Sergio Pérez 119 (3 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 3 6ths, 3 7ths)
Paul Di Resta 101 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 3 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th)
Adrian Sutil 83 (2 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 3 8ths, 1 10th)
Daniel Ricciardo 67 (1 2nd, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 61 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 4 7ths, 2 8ths, 1 9th)
Esteban Gutiérrez 50 (1 4th, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 3 8ths, 2 9ths, 2 10ths)
Pastor Maldonado 41 (1 5th, 2 6ths, 2 8ths, 3 9ths, 1 10th)
Valtteri Bottas 33 (2 7ths, 3 8ths, 4 9ths, 1 10th)
Giedo van der Garde 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths)
Charles Pic 3 (1 9th, 1 10th)
Jules Bianchi 3 (3 10ths)
Max Chilton 2 (1 9th)


Webber strikes back! With his win at Suzuka, he has also virtually finished Grosjean's challenge: 77 points behind with 100 to go, instead of 63 if he hadn't managed to pass the Frenchman with a couple of laps to go. Yeah, Romain didn't have much of a chance anyway...

Hülkenberg is now best of the rest, and just 33 points shy of Pérez's 2012 total, in a better performing car overall and with one champion more in the grid to be eliminated...
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2013 (after 16 races)

Mark Webber 246 (5 wins, 6 2nds, 1 4th, 1 10th)
Nico Rosberg 235 (5 wins, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 2 5ths)
Felipe Massa 217 (3 wins, 2 2nds, 5 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 10th)
Romain Grosjean 187 (3 wins, 3 2nds, 3 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 8th)
Sergio Pérez 131 (3 3rds, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, 3 6ths, 3 7ths)
Nico Hülkenberg 121 (1 2nd, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 3 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Paul Di Resta 111 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 3 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 1 7th)
Adrian Sutil 91 (2 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 3 8ths, 1 10th)
Daniel Ricciardo 73 (1 2nd, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 63 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 4 7ths, 2 8ths, 2 9ths)
Esteban Gutiérrez 51 (1 4th, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 3 8ths, 2 9ths, 3 10ths)
Pastor Maldonado 45 (1 5th, 2 6ths, 3 8ths, 3 9ths, 1 10th)
Valtteri Bottas 33 (2 7ths, 3 8ths, 4 9ths, 1 10th)
Giedo van der Garde 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths)
Charles Pic 3 (1 9th, 1 10th)
Jules Bianchi 3 (3 10ths)
Max Chilton 2 (1 9th)


A disastrous failure for Webber while he was clearly leading the race brings life back to this championship. Rosberg inherited the win and brought himself back within striking distance again. 11 points is less than a fourth place behind, and the championship hadn't been this close with three races to go since the 2006 season. Massa is in the haunt as well, and Grosjean remains as well although with an extremely long shot.

Webber is still the favourite, but his luck has been appaling since Singapore... will it improve for the final three races?
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2013 (after 18 races)

Mark Webber 289 (6 wins, 7 2nds, 1 4th, 1 10th)
Nico Rosberg 261 (5 wins, 3 2nds, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, 1 6th)
Felipe Massa 229 (3 wins, 2 2nds, 5 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Romain Grosjean 227 (4 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd, 3 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 8th)
Sergio Pérez 151 (3 3rds, 3 4ths, 2 5ths, 4 6ths, 3 7ths)
Nico Hülkenberg 137 (1 2nd, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 3 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 9th, 2 10ths)
Paul Di Resta 123 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 4 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 1 7th)
Adrian Sutil 97 (2 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 3 8ths, 1 10th)
Daniel Ricciardo 79 (1 2nd, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 3 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 67 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 4 7ths, 3 8ths, 2 9ths)
Esteban Gutiérrez 54 (1 4th, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 3 8ths, 3 9ths, 4 10ths)
Pastor Maldonado 49 (1 5th, 2 6ths, 4 8ths, 3 9ths, 1 10th)
Valtteri Bottas 43 (1 5th, 2 7ths, 3 8ths, 4 9ths, 1 10th)
Giedo van der Garde 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths)
Charles Pic 3 (1 9th, 1 10th)
Jules Bianchi 3 (3 10ths)
Max Chilton 2 (1 9th)
Heikki Kovalainen 0 (1 11th)


Mark Webber clinches his fourth and final world champion title!

He already made a big step forward two weeks ago at Abu Dhabi, when he managed to pass Rosberg and remain in front of him to win by a mere 2.8 seconds. With that win he increased his lead to 18 points with 50 to go, with Massa 44 points behind and Grosjean definitely out of the picture. Another win at Austin would be enough to secure the championship.

As it was, Rosberg was nowhere for all the weekend and Webber cruised to a safe second place and the title. Yet another one is decided before the final race. Webber retires as the second most successful driver ever, with four championships and one second place, only behind Carlos Reutemann who also won four titles, but who finished second twice. But he is the driver with most wins ever, as he's now up to 47, overtaking both Coulthard and Barrichello, who were tied at 45.

Heikki Kovalainen has managed to remain at the bottom of the pile, pointless, and Sergio Pérez is now just three points behind his 2012 tally. And Bottas remains behind Maldonado in this world.
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2013 (Final Standings)

Mark Webber 314 (7 wins, 7 2nds, 1 4th, 1 10th)
Nico Rosberg 279 (5 wins, 4 2nds, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, 1 6th)
Felipe Massa 241 (3 wins, 2 2nds, 5 3rds, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Romain Grosjean 227 (4 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd, 3 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 8th)
Sergio Pérez 166 (4 3rds, 3 4ths, 2 5ths, 4 6ths, 3 7ths)
Nico Hülkenberg 147 (1 2nd, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 4 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 9th, 2 10ths)
Paul Di Resta 129 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 4 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths)
Adrian Sutil 99 (2 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 3 8ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Daniel Ricciardo 87 (1 2nd, 2 5ths, 3 6ths, 3 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 67 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 4 7ths, 3 8ths, 2 9ths)
Esteban Gutiérrez 58 (1 4th, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 4 8ths, 3 9ths, 4 10ths)
Pastor Maldonado 49 (1 5th, 2 6ths, 4 8ths, 3 9ths, 1 10th)
Valtteri Bottas 43 (1 5th, 2 7ths, 3 8ths, 4 9ths, 1 10th)
Giedo van der Garde 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths)
Charles Pic 3 (1 9th, 1 10th)
Jules Bianchi 3 (3 10ths)
Max Chilton 2 (1 9th)
Heikki Kovalainen 1 (1 10th)


Webber retires in style, with a final win. Kovalainen cannot pass any of the minnows! :lol:
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And back for another year!

2014 (after 1 race)

Nico Rosberg 25 (1 win)
Kevin Magnussen 18 (1 2nd)
Valtteri Bottas 15 (1 3rd)
Nico Hülkenberg 12 (1 4th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 10 (1 5th)
Danill Kyvat 8 (1 6th)
Sergio Pérez 6 (1 7th)
Adrian Sutil 4 (1 8th)
Esteban Gutiérrez 2 (1 9th)
Max Chilton 1 (1 10th)
Ricciardo, Grosjean, Maldonado, Massa, Bianchi, Kobayashi and Ericsson unclassified

Updated to reflect Ricciardo's DSQ
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2014 (after 2 races)

Nico Rosberg 50 (2 wins)
Nico Hülkenberg 30 (1 2nd, 1 4th)
Kevin Magnussen 28 (1 2nd, 1 5th)
Valtteri Bottas 27 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Danill Kyvat 16 (2 6ths)
Felipe Massa 15 (1 3rd)
Jean-Éric Vergne 10 (1 5th)
Sergio Pérez 6 (1 7th)
Romain Grosjean 6 (1 7th)
Adrian Sutil 4 (1 8th)
Kamui Kobayashi 4 (1 8th)
Esteban Gutiérrez 2 (1 9th)
Marcus Ericsson 2 (1 9th)
Max Chilton 2 (2 10ths)
Ricciardo, Maldonado and Bianchi unclassified


Rosberg already has a healthy lead, thanks to Ricciardo's misfortune.
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2014 (after 5 races)

Nico Rosberg 125 (5 wins)
Nico Hülkenberg 65 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 4ths, 1 6th)
Valtteri Bottas 62 (2 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 6th)
Daniel Ricciardo 51 (2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Sergio Pérez 44 (1 2nd, 2 5ths, 1 7th)
Kevin Magnussen 38 (1 2nd, 1 5th, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Danill Kyvat 32 (3 6ths, 1 7th, 1 9th)
Felipe Massa 30 (1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Romain Grosjean 22 (1 4th, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 16 (1 5th, 1 7th)
Kamui Kobayashi 4 (1 8th, 1 11th)
Adrian Sutil 4 (1 8th, 1 12th)
Max Chilton 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths, 2 14ths)
Pastor Maldonado 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths)
Esteban Gutiérrez 2 (1 9th, 2 11th)
Marcus Ericsson 2 (1 9th, 2 15th)
Bianchi unclassified


Will someone else win a race this year? And we thought Webber domination was boring.
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Chilton ahead of Maldonado and Gutierrez. :mrgreen:
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2014 (after 6 races)

Nico Rosberg 150 (6 wins)
Nico Hülkenberg 80 (1 2nd, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 6th)
Daniel Ricciardo 69 (3 2nds, 1 3rd)
Valtteri Bottas 62 (2 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 6th)
Sergio Pérez 44 (1 2nd, 2 5ths, 1 7th)
Kevin Magnussen 44 (1 2nd, 1 5th, 2 7ths, 1 8th)
Felipe Massa 42 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Romain Grosjean 32 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Danill Kyvat 32 (3 6ths, 1 7th, 1 9th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 16 (1 5th, 1 7th)
Jules Bianchi 8 (1 6th)
Kamui Kobayashi 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 1 11th)
Marcus Ericsson 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 2 15th)
Max Chilton 5 (1 9th, 3 10ths, 2 14ths)
Adrian Sutil 4 (1 8th)
Pastor Maldonado 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths)
Esteban Gutiérrez 2 (1 9th, 2 11th)


Bianchi was unclassified before today, what a way to open his score! I'm also happy to inform you that all four drivers from the two minnow teams managed to score points for the first time ever, beating the three of Suzuka 2010 and Brazil 2012, although their combined score for today's race (15 points) is smaller than the one from the latter one (16 points).

This could end up being half-interesting in case Rosberg wins the parallel championship, although then Ricciardo will be favoured to win this one. And if I have to eliminate Rosberg from every race result, that will result in quite decent scores for the back four :mrgreen:
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God Sauber really do suck don't they?
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2014 (after 7 races)

Nico Rosberg 168 (6 wins, 1 2nd)
Nico Hülkenberg 95 (1 2nd, 3 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 6th)
Daniel Ricciardo 94 (1 win, 3 2nds, 1 3rd)
Valtteri Bottas 74 (2 3rds, 3 4ths, 1 6th)
Kevin Magnussen 52 (1 2nd, 1 5th, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 1 8th)
Sergio Pérez 50 (1 2nd, 2 5ths, 2 7ths)
Felipe Massa 46 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 8ths, 1 10th)
Romain Grosjean 32 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Danill Kyvat 32 (3 6ths, 1 7th, 1 9th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 26 (2 5ths, 1 7th)
Jules Bianchi 8 (1 6th)
Kamui Kobayashi 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 1 11th)
Marcus Ericsson 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 2 15th)
Adrian Sutil 6 (1 8th, 1 9th)
Max Chilton 5 (1 9th, 3 10ths)
Pastor Maldonado 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths)
Esteban Gutiérrez 3 (1 9th, 1 10th)


A change of winner, at last! Also, every finisher scored points - Pérez and Massa were 7th and 8th, in spite of not actually finishing the race, and the same for Gutiérrez Gutiérrez in 10th. A double points finish for Sauber, which still isn't enough for Sutil to pass Kobayashi and Ericsson on countback :mrgreen:
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I'm beginning to wonder whether if Rosberg becomes real champion this year, how would eliminating him affect other years' champions?

Kubica may just gain enough to beat Massa in 2008, also 2006 could possibly be affected but I reckon the more you eliminate, the more it helps Fisichella rather than Massa. Definitely the Webber years won't change. :)
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2014 (after 9 races)

Nico Rosberg 193 (7 wins, 1 2nd)
Daniel Ricciardo 120 (1 win, 4 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 6th)
Valtteri Bottas 117 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rds, 3 4ths, 1 6th)
Nico Hülkenberg 113 (1 2nd, 3 3rds, 3 4ths, 1 6th, 1 7th)
Kevin Magnussen 77 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 1 8th)
Sergio Pérez 68 (1 2nd, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 3 7ths)
Felipe Massa 61 (2 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 8ths, 1 10th)
Danill Kyvat 42 (1 5th, 3 6ths, 1 7th, 1 9th)
Romain Grosjean 37 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 10th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 34 (2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th)
Jules Bianchi 9 (1 6th, 1 10th)
Pastor Maldonado 8 (1 8th, 1 9th, 2 10ths)
Kamui Kobayashi 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 2 11ths)
Marcus Ericsson 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 1 14th)
Adrian Sutil 6 (1 8th, 1 9th)
Max Chilton 5 (1 9th, 3 10ths)
Esteban Gutiérrez 3 (1 9th, 1 10th)


A maiden win for Finland's Valtteri Bottas!

As we close to the midpoint of the championship, Rosberg remains a sure bet - but behind him, bets remain wide open. And Bianchi is still leading not only the Sauber drivers, but also Pastor Maldonado!

BTW, I've just made my mind about double points, which is good because I wanted to take a decision way before Abu Dhabi: they won't count in this championship. This also mean that, should someone win the title in the so-called "real F1" because of the double points rule, he also won't be disqualified from this one, and of course someone else could be instead. It may be harsh, confusing, even stupid, but hey, this is my alternative championship and therefore I'm the one choosing the rules :mrgreen:

Now watch as Rosberg wins because of double points, the rule gets silently dropped at the end of the season and I have to keep tracking his +400 score during 2015 because of this decision I've just made. I would look daft, ie., not that different from real F1 rulemakers, wouldn't I? :lol:
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I know it's up to you Ferrim - but if it was me doing this then I would take the double points into consideration.

The reason being - drivers/teams react according to whatever the points situation is at the time.

For instance, had this rule been in place in 2010, the likelihood is that in Abu Dhabi, Ferrari would most likely have seen Vettel as the main threat to Alonso, and reacted to him rather than Webber, and that could easily have turned out differently.

Also in 2008, had it existed then Hamilton would have needed 2nd in Brazil (assuming Massa won) rather than the 5th he got. But McLaren were really conservative trying to get only 5th, if they knew he needed 2nd, they would have gone at it aggressively as they would have known they had to beat Raikkonen. Whether he'd have done it or not is another matter.

Also I read somewhere that under some other points systems, Nelson Piquet would have lost the 1983 championship by letting past Patrese and De Cesaris in the closing stages, as he was just trying to get to the finish 3rd - there's no way he'd have done that if he had to win.

So should Hamilton and Rosberg be less than 50 points apart going to Abu Dhabi, they both will react according to whatever situation they are in at the time, and not if it was just normal points, if you get my drift.

Saying that, I really hope the rule does not make the difference between someone being champion and not. :)
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Hi James - and thanks for your contribution.

I fully understand your point, and I can even picture myself circa 1990, if Internet and myself had been born 25 years earlier, saying "I refuse to take all the races of the championship in consideration, this is just Balestre trying to help Prost, in my championship only 11 out of 16 results will count!" :lol: while, looking at it from where we are now, it sounds stupid.

But even considering this, the thing is I can't stand the double points rule, at all. I was determined to skip this season if they extended it to the final three races, and they were very close to do that. I believe it's extremely unfair and really hope that they ditch it at the end of the season. I was waiting to see how the championship developed, but I knew I had to take a stand on the matter before long. If someone were to win the championship early I could have avoided it, but after Sunday's race I feel it's almost certain Rosberg and Hamilton will be within 49 points of each other come Abu Dhabi - I don't think we'll see many more Mercedes failures, no one else will get close to the W05 for the rest of the season and the pace of those two is as close as it gets, so I can't picture any of them heading the Mercedes one-two 80% of the time. So I had to make a decision, and I didn't want subjective feelings to interfere with it (I'm slightly leaning Rosberg in this fight). And this is it.

And yes, I also hope the rule doesn't make the difference. We can only hope...
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2014 (after 10 races)

Nico Rosberg 218 (8 wins, 1 2nd)
Daniel Ricciardo 135 (1 win, 4 2nds, 2 3rds, 1 6th)
Valtteri Bottas 135 (1 win, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, 3 4ths, 1 6th)
Nico Hülkenberg 125 (1 2nd, 3 3rds, 4 4ths, 1 6th, 1 7th)
Kevin Magnussen 87 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 3 5ths, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 1 8th)
Sergio Pérez 76 (1 2nd, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 3 7ths)
Felipe Massa 61 (2 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 8ths, 1 10th)
Danill Kyvat 42 (1 5th, 3 6ths, 1 7th, 1 9th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 38 (2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Romain Grosjean 37 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 10th)
Pastor Maldonado 14 (1 7th, 1 8th, 1 9th, 2 10ths)
Jules Bianchi 10 (1 6th, 2 10ths)
Kamui Kobayashi 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 2 11ths)
Marcus Ericsson 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 1 14th)
Adrian Sutil 6 (1 8th, 1 9th)
Esteban Gutiérrez 5 (2 9ths, 1 10th)
Max Chilton 5 (1 9th, 3 10ths)


Bottas keeps his strong form: 8 times out of 10 races he has finished in the top 4, and he's now in a tie with the also impressive Ricciardo for second place in the standings. Meanwhile, Sauber's form still begins with the S letter...
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Ferrim wrote: Meanwhile, Sauber's form still begins with the S letter...

I assume you do not mean superb, slick or supercalifragilisticexpialidocious... ;)
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2014 (after 11 races)

Nico Rosberg 236 (8 wins, 2 2nds)
Daniel Ricciardo 160 (2 wins, 4 2nds, 2 3rds, 1 6th)
Valtteri Bottas 147 (1 win, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, 4 4ths, 1 6th)
Nico Hülkenberg 125 (1 2nd, 3 3rds, 4 4ths, 1 6th, 1 7th)
Kevin Magnussen 93 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 3 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th)
Sergio Pérez 76 (1 2nd, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 3 7ths)
Felipe Massa 76 (3 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 8ths, 1 10th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 48 (3 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Danill Kyvat 44 (1 5th, 3 6ths, 1 7th, 2 9ths)
Romain Grosjean 37 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 10th)
Pastor Maldonado 18 (1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 2 10ths)
Adrian Sutil 14 (1 6th, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Jules Bianchi 11 (1 6th, 3 10ths)
Kamui Kobayashi 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 2 11ths)
Marcus Ericsson 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 1 14th)
Esteban Gutiérrez 5 (2 9ths, 1 10th)
Max Chilton 5 (1 9th, 3 10ths)


Finally Sauber manages to get a break, although it's another race in the points for Bianchi in the Marussia.
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2014 (after 13 races)

Nico Rosberg 279 (9 wins, 3 2nds)
Daniel Ricciardo 197 (3 wins, 4 2nds, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 1 6th)
Valtteri Bottas 177 (1 win, 2 2nds, 4 3rds, 4 4ths, 1 6th)
Nico Hülkenberg 137 (1 2nd, 3 3rds, 4 4ths, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Kevin Magnussen 105 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 3 5ths, 3 6ths, 2 7ths, 2 8ths)
Sergio Pérez 98 (1 2nd, 2 4ths, 3 5ths, 1 6th, 3 7ths)
Felipe Massa 96 (1 2nd, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Danill Kyvat 60 (2 5ths, 3 6ths, 2 7ths, 2 9ths)
Jean-Éric Vergne 56 (3 5ths, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Romain Grosjean 37 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 10th)
Adrian Sutil 19 (1 6th, 1 8th, 3 9ths, 1 10th)
Pastor Maldonado 19 (1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 3 10ths)
Jules Bianchi 11 (1 6th, 3 10ths)
Kamui Kobayashi 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 2 11ths)
Marcus Ericsson 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 1 14th)
Esteban Gutiérrez 5 (2 9ths, 1 10th)
Max Chilton 5 (1 9th, 3 10ths)


For some reason I had Sutil's points wrong, now they are corrected and he's in front of Maldonado.
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2014 (after 14 races)

Nico Rosberg 279 (9 wins, 3 2nds)
Daniel Ricciardo 222 (4 wins, 4 2nds, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 1 6th)
Valtteri Bottas 183 (1 win, 2 2nds, 4 3rds, 4 4ths, 2 6th, 1 7th)
Nico Hülkenberg 147 (1 2nd, 3 3rds, 4 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Felipe Massa 114 (2 2nds, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Kevin Magnussen 113 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 3 5ths, 4 6ths, 2 7ths, 2 8ths)
Sergio Pérez 110 (1 2nd, 3 4ths, 3 5ths, 1 6th, 3 7ths)
Jean-Éric Vergne 71 (1 3rd, 3 5ths, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Danill Kyvat 61 (2 5ths, 3 6ths, 2 7ths, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Romain Grosjean 39 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Pastor Maldonado 23 (1 7th, 3 8ths, 1 9th, 3 10ths)
Adrian Sutil 19 (1 6th, 1 8th, 3 9ths, 1 10th)
Jules Bianchi 11 (1 6th, 3 10ths)
Kamui Kobayashi 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 2 11ths)
Marcus Ericsson 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 1 11th)
Esteban Gutiérrez 5 (2 9ths, 1 10th)
Max Chilton 5 (1 9th, 3 10ths)


A disappointing race for Rosberg, but he can still clinch the championship title within the next couple of races.
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2014 (Final Standings)

Nico Rosberg 381 (13 wins, 3 2nds, 1 9th)
Daniel Ricciardo 285 (4 wins, 6 2nds, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 6th)
Valtteri Bottas 256 (1 win, 4 2nds, 5 3rds, 5 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th)
Felipe Massa 192 (1 win, 3 2nds, 4 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Nico Hülkenberg 190 (1 2nd, 4 3rds, 5 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th)
Kevin Magnussen 159 (1 2nd, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 4 5ths, 5 6ths, 2 7ths, 2 8ths, 1 10th)
Sergio Pérez 137 (1 2nd, 3 4ths, 5 5ths, 1 6th, 4 7ths, 1 10th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 99 (1 3rd, 3 5ths, 2 6ths, 4 7ths, 3 8ths, 1 9th)
Danill Kyvat 76 (2 5ths, 4 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 3 9ths, 2 10ths)
Romain Grosjean 47 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 7th, 4 8ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Pastor Maldonado 37 (1 6th, 2 7ths, 3 8ths, 1 9th, 3 10ths)
Adrian Sutil 19 (1 6th, 1 8th, 3 9ths, 1 10th)
Esteban Gutiérrez 13 (5 9ths, 3 10ths)
Jules Bianchi 11 (1 6th, 3 10ths)
Kamui Kobayashi 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 2 11ths)
Marcus Ericsson 6 (1 8th, 1 9th, 1 11th)
Max Chilton 5 (1 9th, 3 10ths)
Will Stevens 0 (1 12th)

Long overdue update. Rosberg clinched the title a couple of race weekends ago, it was never a question of if but of when.

Notice that double points HAVEN'T been applied.
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Ferrim wrote:Long overdue update. Rosberg clinched the title a couple of race weekends ago, it was never a question of if but of when.


Or him eliminating himself. Would have been fascinated to see if Rosberg being eliminated from 2008 would have made Bobby K champion. :)
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2015 (after 3 races)

Nico Rosberg 75 (3 wins)
Felipe Massa 51 (2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Valtteri Bottas 33 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Felipe Nasr 27 (1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 9th)
Daniel Ricciardo 26 (1 4th, 1 6th, 1 7th)
Carlos Sainz 18 (1 5th, 1 7th, 1 9th)
Romain Grosjean 16 (1 4th, 1 8th)
Marcus Ericsson 14 (1 6th, 1 7th)
Max Verstappen 12 (1 4th)
Nico Hülkenberg 10 (1 5th)
Sergio Pérez 9 (2 8ths, 1 10th)
Daniil Kvyat 8 (1 6th)
Will Stevens 1 (1 10th)
Roberto Merhi 0 (1 11th, 1 12th)
Pastor Maldonado 0 (unclassified)


Rumor has it that betting for Rosberg's victory here actually makes you lose money. :D
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It's about high time I update this...

2015 (after 10 races)

Nico Rosberg 235 (9 wins, 1 5th)
Felipe Massa 127 (4 2nds, 3 3rds, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Valtteri Bottas 120 (4 2nds, 3 3rds, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Daniel Ricciardo 91 (1 2nd, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Daniil Kvyat 86 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 4th, 3 6ths, 1 7th, 1 10th)
Romain Grosjean 60 (3 4ths, 1 5th, 1 7th, 2 8ths)
Felipe Nasr 51 (1 3rd, 2 5ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 3 9ths)
Nico Hülkenberg 50 (1 4th, 3 5ths, 1 7th, 1 9th)
Sergio Pérez 50 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 3 8ths, 2 10ths)
Max Verstappen 39 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 6th, 1 8th)
Carlos Sainz 36 (1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 2 9ths)
Marcus Ericsson 31 (2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Pastor Maldonado 23 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 10th)
Roberto Merhi 4 (1 8th)
Will Stevens 3 (1 9th, 1 10th)


Not intended, but it's the first race Rosberg has NOT won this season! And a pity, because we would have a great Williams battle without him.
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Re: The No Real Champions Alternative Championship

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Long. Overdue. Update.

For quickness, I will only make the breakdown for the number of wins, 2nd and 3rd places of every driver, the best result (in case of a driver with no podium finishes), and wherever a tie-breaker is needed.

2015 (Final Standings)
Nico Rosberg 403 (15 wins, 1 2nd)
Valtteri Bottas 221 (8 2nds, 4 3rds)
Felipe Massa 200 (1 win, 5 2nds, 3 3rds)
Daniil Kvyat 169 (1 win, 1 2nd, 3 3rds)
Daniel Ricciardo 164 (1 win, 1 2nd, 3 3rds)
Sergio Pérez 157 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Nico Hülkenberg 112 (2 3rds)
Romain Grosjean 110 (1 2nd)
Max Verstappen 103 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Felipe Nasr 79 (1 3rd)
Carlos Sainz 68 (2 4ths)
Pastor Maldonado 61 (1 4th)
Marcus Ericsson 47 (3 6ths)
Roberto Merhi 9 (2 8ths)
Will Stevens 5 (2 9ths)
Alexander Rossi 4 (1 8th)


Rosberg improves on his 2014 points tally and number of wins, and this time no one was even remotely close to the top. Interesting to see Bottas finishing second, although he scored no wins.
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Re: The No Real Champions Alternative Championship

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2016 (after 11 races)
Nico Rosberg 213 (6 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd)
Daniel Ricciardo 172 (1 win, 4 2nds, 3rds)
Max Verstappen 144 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Valtteri Bottas 117 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Sergio Pérez 82 (2 2nds)
Carlos Sainz 78 (2 4ths)
Felipe Massa 76 (2 3rds)
Nico Hulkenberg 62 (1 3rd)
Romain Grosjean 55 (1 3rd)
Daniil Kvyat 44 (1 2nd)
Esteban Gutiérrez 20 (1 7th)
Kevin Magnussen 16 (1 4th)
Jolyon Palmer 11 (1 8th)
Pascal Wehrlein 7 (1 7th)
Felipe Nasr 6 (1 8th)
Stoffel Vandoorne 4 (1 8th)
Marcus Ericsson 4 (1 9th)
Rio Haryanto 0 (1 11th)


The Bulls are keeping Rosberg honest this season, and actually they have both outscored him over the last seven races. But it's still the German's title to lose.
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Update...

2016 (after 16 races)
Nico Rosberg 318 (9 wins, 2 2nds, 3 3rds)
Daniel Ricciardo 276 (3 wins, 7 2nds, 3rds)
Max Verstappen 213 (3 wins, 3 2nds, 2 3rds)
Valtteri Bottas 164 (1 win, 1 2nd, 3 3rds)
Sergio Pérez 134 (2 2nds)
Nico Hulkenberg 103 (2 3rds)
Felipe Massa 97 (2 3rds)
Carlos Sainz 86 (2 4ths)
Romain Grosjean 65 (1 3rd)
Daniil Kvyat 56 (1 2nd)
Esteban Gutiérrez 38 (1 7th)
Kevin Magnussen 24 (1 4th)
Jolyon Palmer 17 (1 8th)
Felipe Nasr 8 (1 8th)
Pascal Wehrlein 7 (1 7th)
Stoffel Vandoorne 4 (1 8th)
Marcus Ericsson 6 (1 9th)
Rio Haryanto 0 (1 11th)
Esteban Ocon 0 (1 12th)


In spite of Rosberg adding three more wins to his tally over the last 5 races, Ricciardo's consistency is keeping him with an outside chance. He's only lost one point to the German in that period, and at 42 points he's still less than two wins behind - but with five races to go, instead of ten. He also outscores Rosberg by a single point (219-218) since Barcelona, showing how close this championship could have been...

...but, of course, in the parallel championship Rosberg is looking closer than ever to take the title, and this would have a great impact on this one! For the first time since I started doing it, I would have to re-do past championships - all the way back to 2006.

Stay tuned...
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Re: The No Real Champions Alternative Championship

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Hmm - it's weird whenever I think about Rosberg winning the championship, this alternative championship always springs to my mind!

That said there aren't that many close ones since he started; 2006 and 2008 are but they were the years Rosberg didn't trouble the scorers much. 2014 and 2015 probably become the most interesting as they will have new champions of course!
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