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2011 (after 8 races)

Mark Webber 186 (6 wins, 2 2nds)
Nick Heidfeld 85 (1 win, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Nico Rosberg 85 (3 2nds, 1 3rd, 2 7ths, 1 8th)
Felipe Massa 84 (1 2nd, 4 3rds, 1 7th)
Vitaly Petrov 75 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 4ths, 1 6th)
Kamui Kobayashi 70 (1 2nd, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, 1 6th)
Adrian Sutil 52 (1 3rd, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 2 8ths, 1 10th)
Sébastien Buemi 46 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 3 9ths)
Paul di Resta 37 (1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Jaime Alguersuari 30 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 7th, 1 9th)
Rubens Barrichello 27 (1 5th, 1 6th, 2 8ths, 1 10th)
Sergio Pérez 18 (1 4th, 1 7th, 1 9th)
Jarno Trulli 4 (2 9ths)
Pedro de la Rosa 2 (1 9th)
Heikki Kovalainen 2 (2 10ths)
Jérôme D'Ambrosio 1 (1 10th)
Pastor Maldonado 1 (1 10th)
Vitantonio Liuzzi 1 (1 10th)


Red Bull 186
Renault 160
Sauber 92
Force India 89
Mercedes 85
Ferrari 84
Toro Rosso 76
Williams 28
Lotus 6
HRT 1
Virgin 1


Webber's dominance is such that he single-handedly manages to increase Red Bull's lead in the constructors. And he keeps the same set of results than a certain German driver in the parallel championship :mrgreen:

James1978 wrote:Wonder if Webber can break the record for most number of wins in a season for this championship? (Without looking, is the record 10 by Alesi in 1996)?


12 for Barrichello in 2004. Certainly achievable by Webber here.
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2011 (after 9 races)

Mark Webber 211 (7 wins, 2 2nds)
Felipe Massa 102 (2 2nds, 4 3rds, 1 7th)
Nico Rosberg 100 (3 2nds, 2 3rds, 2 7ths, 1 8th)
Nick Heidfeld 95 (1 win, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Vitaly Petrov 79 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 4ths, 1 6th, 1 8th)
Kamui Kobayashi 70 (1 2nd, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, 1 6th)
Adrian Sutil 58 (1 3rd, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 10th)
Sébastien Buemi 46 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 3 9ths)
Jaime Alguersuari 38 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 9th)
Paul di Resta 37 (1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Rubens Barrichello 29 (1 5th, 1 6th, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Sergio Pérez 30 (2 4ths, 1 7th, 1 9th)
Jarno Trulli 4 (2 9ths)
Pedro de la Rosa 2 (1 9th)
Pastor Maldonado 2 (2 10ths)
Heikki Kovalainen 2 (2 10ths)
Jérôme D'Ambrosio 1 (1 10th)
Vitantonio Liuzzi 1 (1 10th)


Red Bull 211
Renault 174
Sauber 106
Ferrari 102
Mercedes 100
Force India 95
Toro Rosso 84
Williams 31
Lotus 6
HRT 1
Virgin 1


Seventh win on a row for a seemingly unstoppable Mark Webber. At this rate he will end up being even more hated than The Fingerman :lol:
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I can update this, finally! Webber won 10 races in a row before finally not scoring at all at Monza. Massa won the race, and behind him there were great achievers who took advantage of the first lap incident: Alguersuari finished 2nd, Di Resta 3rd, Senna 4th... Glock scored his first point of the year and a potentially crucial one for Virgin, who are now ahead of HRT in the constructors. And Sauber have fallen from 3rd to 7th since the last update...

2011 (after 13 races)

Mark Webber 286 (10 wins, 2 2nds)
Felipe Massa 175 (1 win, 4 2nds, 4 3rds, 1 4th, 1 7th)
Nico Rosberg 140 (4 2nds, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 7ths, 1 8th)
Vitaly Petrov 101 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Nick Heidfeld 95 (1 win, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Kamui Kobayashi 90 (1 2nd, 2 4ths, 3 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Adrian Sutil 89 (3 3rds, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 2 10ths)
Paul di Resta 75 (2 3rds, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Jaime Alguersuari 68 (1 2nd, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 9th)
Sébastien Buemi 68 (2 4ths, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 3 9ths)
Sergio Pérez 38 (2 4ths, 2 7ths, 1 9th)
Rubens Barrichello 37 (1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Pastor Maldonado 19 (2 6ths, 3 10ths)
Bruno Senna 14 (1 4th, 1 9th)
Jarno Trulli 7 (3 9ths, 1 10th)
Heikki Kovalainen 6 (1 8th, 2 10ths)
Pedro de la Rosa 2 (1 9th)
Jérôme D'Ambrosio 1 (1 10th)
Vitantonio Liuzzi 1 (1 10th)
Timo Glock 1 (1 10th)


Red Bull 286
Renault 210
Ferrari 175
Force India 164
Mercedes 140
Toro Rosso 136
Sauber 130
Williams 56
Lotus 13
Virgin 2
HRT 1



Only Webber and Massa remain in contention. Webber will secure his second title at Singapore if:
-He wins the race and Massa finishes 5th or worse;
-He's 2nd and Massa 8th or worse;
-He's 3rd and Massa 10th or worse.

Anyway, is only a matter of time...
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I got a bit excited thinking of this alternative championship when they pointed out in the early stages the top 5 runners were all world champions (as it stayed to the end actually), but at that point in 6th and therefore the leader for this world was MALDONADO!!! He had no chance against Massa though.
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I've just realised that the permutations for Webber winning it at Singapore were already valid for Monza, as today's result was the worst possible one for him. Therefore, he could have clinched it already :o

Just when you thought Vettel's season was complete domination...
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2011 (after 14 races)

Mark Webber 311 (11 wins, 2 2nds)
Felipe Massa 185 (1 win, 4 2nds, 4 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 7th)
Nico Rosberg 155 (4 2nds, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 7ths, 1 8th)
Vitaly Petrov 101 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Adrian Sutil 101 (3 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 2 10ths)
Nick Heidfeld 95 (1 win, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Kamui Kobayashi 91 (1 2nd, 2 4ths, 3 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Paul di Resta 93 (1 2nd, 2 3rds, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Jaime Alguersuari 68 (1 2nd, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 9th)
Sébastien Buemi 72 (2 4ths, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 3 9ths)
Sergio Pérez 46 (2 4ths, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 1 9th)
Rubens Barrichello 39 (1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 3 9ths, 1 10th)
Pastor Maldonado 25 (2 6ths, 1 7th, 3 10ths)
Bruno Senna 14 (1 4th, 1 9th)
Jarno Trulli 7 (3 9ths, 1 10th)
Heikki Kovalainen 6 (1 8th, 2 10ths)
Pedro de la Rosa 2 (1 9th)
Jérôme D'Ambrosio 1 (1 10th)
Vitantonio Liuzzi 1 (1 10th)
Timo Glock 1 (1 10th)


Red Bull 311
Renault 210
Force India 194
Ferrari 185
Mercedes 155
Toro Rosso 140
Sauber 139
Williams 64
Lotus 13
Virgin 2
HRT 1


Mark Webber has just clinched his second title, with another dominant win at Singapore, his 11th of the season. But the real heroes of the day are the Force India drivers: second and fourth places put them very close to Renault in the constructors!

BTW I had been expecting D'Ambrosio, Liuzzi and Glock to score some more points to break their tie, but the way things stand I'll have to calculate the tie-breakers!
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Funny how Webber clinches the title by point while in real-life his team-mate fails to do so by a point.


Or actually it's two points for Webber as he has tie-breaker advantage.
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Yet two more wins for Webber, and this is how the championship looks after 16 races:


Mark Webber 361 (13 wins, 2 2nds)
Felipe Massa 221 (1 win, 6 2nds, 4 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 7th)
Nico Rosberg 177 (4 2nds, 3 3rds, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th)
Adrian Sutil 115 (3 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 2 8ths, 2 10ths)
Vitaly Petrov 113 (1 win, 1 2nd, 3 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Paul di Resta 107 (1 2nd, 2 3rds, 1 5th, 3 6ths, 3 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Nick Heidfeld 95 (1 win, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Kamui Kobayashi 95 (1 2nd, 2 4ths, 3 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 10th)
Jaime Alguersuari 84 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Sébastien Buemi 82 (2 4ths, 3 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 3 9ths)
Sergio Pérez 61 (1 3rd, 2 4ths, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 1 9th)
Rubens Barrichello 43 (1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 3 8ths, 3 9ths, 1 10th)
Pastor Maldonado 27 (2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 9th, 3 10ths)
Bruno Senna 16 (1 4th, 2 9ths)
Heikki Kovalainen 7 (1 8th, 3 10ths)
Jarno Trulli 7 (3 9ths, 1 10th)
Pedro de la Rosa 2 (1 9th)
Jérôme D'Ambrosio 1 (1 10th, 2 11ths)
Timo Glock 1 (1 10th, 1 11th)
Vitantonio Liuzzi 1 (1 10th, 1 12th)


Red Bull 361
Renault 224
Force India 222
Ferrari 221
Mercedes 177
Toro Rosso 166
Sauber 158
Williams 70
Lotus 14
Virgin 2
HRT 1


I've had to calculate the tie-breakers, because it doesn't look like Virgin and HRT are going to score again: D'Ambrosio leads the trio.
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2011 (final standings)


Mark Webber 436 (16 wins, 2 2nds)
Felipe Massa 257 (1 win, 8 2nds, 4 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 7th)
Nico Rosberg 222 (5 2nds, 4 3rds, 3 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th)
Adrian Sutil 154 (4 3rds, 3 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 2 8ths, 2 10ths)
Paul di Resta 131 (1 2nd, 2 3rds, 3 5ths, 3 6ths, 3 7ths, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Vitaly Petrov 129 (1 win, 1 2nd, 3 4ths, 1 5th, 3 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Kamui Kobayashi 111 (1 2nd, 2 4ths, 3 5ths, 3 6ths, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 10th)
Jaime Alguersuari 103 (1 2nd, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Nick Heidfeld 95 (1 win, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Sébastien Buemi 84 (2 4ths, 3 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 4 9ths)
Sergio Pérez 78 (1 3rd, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 3 7ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Rubens Barrichello 48 (1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 4 8ths, 3 9ths, 2 10ths)
Pastor Maldonado 28 (2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 9th, 4 10ths)
Bruno Senna 22 (1 4th, 1 7th, 2 9ths)
Heikki Kovalainen 9 (1 8th, 1 9th, 3 10ths)
Jarno Trulli 7 (3 9ths, 1 10th)
Pedro de la Rosa 2 (1 9th)
Jérôme D'Ambrosio 1 (1 10th, 2 11ths)
Timo Glock 1 (1 10th, 1 11th)
Vitantonio Liuzzi 1 (1 10th, 1 12th)


Red Bull 436
Force India 285
Ferrari 257
Renault 246
Mercedes 222
Sauber 191
Toro Rosso 187
Williams 76
Lotus 16
Virgin 2
HRT 1



Did you think the Wunderkind was dominant...? Mark Webber wins the title for the second time, making 2010 look close by comparison! He scored 436 out of 475 available points, or 91,79%.
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Seeing this championship makes me think maybe we're all being a bit harsh on Webber for how he's performed this year - after all, he is surrounded by 5 world champions (if you include Schumacher as well).

Massa on the other hand could only win a race when Webber had his one retirement.......

Oh and Williams only score 5 points in "old money" (ie pre-2003). :shock:
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2012 (after 1 race)

Webber 25
Kobayashi 18
Pérez 15
Ricciardo 12
Di Resta 10
Vergne 8
Rosberg 6
Maldonado 4
Glock 2
Pic 1


Provisional results, as there are some investigations ongoing. Webber starts well his race for the third straight championship.
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Go home, Mark. ;-)
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2012 (after 2 races)

Mark Webber 43 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Sergio Pérez 40 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Paul Di Resta 22 (1 4th, 1 5th)
Kamui Kobayashi 18 (1 2nd)
Daniel Ricciardo 18 (1 4th, 1 7th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 18 (1 5th, 1 6th)
Bruno Senna 15 (1 3rd)
Nico Rosberg 10 (1 7th, 1 8th)
Nico Hulkenberg 8 (1 6th)
Pastor Maldonado 4 (1 8th)
Timo Glock 2 (1 9th, 1 11th)
Felipe Massa 2 (1 9th, 1 12th)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)
Vitaly Petrov 1 (1 10th)

Couldn't avoid to calculate the tie-breaker for Glock and Massa :lol:
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Was that the first race Webber was actually beaten since Malaysia last year (I know he retired at Monza)?
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Ferrim wrote:Couldn't avoid to calculate the tie-breaker for Glock and Massa :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: Epic
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QuickYoda41 wrote:
Ferrim wrote:Couldn't avoid to calculate the tie-breaker for Glock and Massa :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: Epic


What's even more epic is it's Glock who's ahead. ;-)
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2012 (after 3 races)

Mark Webber 61 (1 win, 2 2nds)
Sergio Pérez 46 (1 win, 1 3rd, 1 7th)
Nico Rosberg 35 (1 win, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Bruno Senna 27 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Kamui Kobayashi 26 (1 2nd, 1 6th)
Paul Di Resta 26 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 8th)
Daniel Ricciardo 18 (1 4th, 1 7th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 18 (1 5th, 1 6th)
Romain Grosjean 15 (1 3rd)
Pastor Maldonado 14 (1 5th, 1 8th)
Nico Hulkenberg 9 (1 6th, 1 10th)
Felipe Massa 4 (2 9ths)
Timo Glock 2 (1 9th)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)
Vitaly Petrov 1 (1 10th)


Third different winner in this series as well. But Webber keeps collecting decent points.
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And the fourth winner in four races!

2012 (after 4 races)

Mark Webber 79 (1 win, 3 2nds)
Sergio Pérez 54 (1 win, 1 3rd, 1 6th, 1 7th)
Nico Rosberg 50 (1 win, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Romain Grosjean 40 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Paul Di Resta 38 (2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 8th)
Kamui Kobayashi 30 (1 2nd, 1 6th, 1 8th)
Bruno Senna 27 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 20 (1 5th, 1 6th, 1 9th)
Daniel Ricciardo 19 (1 4th, 1 7th, 1 10 th)
Nico Hulkenberg 15 (1 6th, 1 7th, 1 10th)
Pastor Maldonado 14 (1 5th, 1 8th)
Felipe Massa 14 (1 5th, 2 9ths)
Timo Glock 2 (1 9th)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)
Vitaly Petrov 1 (1 10th)
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Five races, five winners!

2012 (after 5 races)

Mark Webber 87 (1 win, 3 2nds, 1 6th)
Nico Rosberg 62 (1 win, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Romain Grosjean 58 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Sergio Pérez 54 (1 win, 1 3rd, 1 6th, 1 7th)
Kamui Kobayashi 45 (1 2nd, 1 3rd 1 6th, 1 8th)
Paul Di Resta 40 (2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Pastor Maldonado 39 (1 win, 1 5th, 1 8th)
Bruno Senna 27 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 26 (1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 9th)
Nico Hulkenberg 25 (1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 10th)
Daniel Ricciardo 23 (1 4th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Felipe Massa 15 (1 5th, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Timo Glock 2 (1 9th)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)
Vitaly Petrov 1 (1 10th)


Massa's misery hurts...
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And the first repeat of the season...

2012 (after 6 races)

Mark Webber 112 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 1 6th)
Nico Rosberg 80 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Romain Grosjean 58 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Sergio Pérez 60 (1 win, 1 3rd, 1 6th, 2 7ths)
Paul Di Resta 52 (3 4ths, 1 5th, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Kamui Kobayashi 45 (1 2nd, 1 3rd 1 6th, 1 8th)
Pastor Maldonado 39 (1 win, 1 5th, 1 8th)
Bruno Senna 35 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 6th)
Nico Hulkenberg 35 (2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 10th)
Felipe Massa 30 (1 3rd, 1 5th, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 30 (1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Daniel Ricciardo 23 (1 4th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Timo Glock 3 (1 9th, 1 10th)
Heikki Kovalainen 2 (1 9th)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)
Vitaly Petrov 1 (1 10th)


First points for Kovalainen this year, fully deserved, but Marussia still outscores Caterham. And Massa doubles his point tally of the season.

Rosberg needs to be more consistent if he is to defeat Webber, he looks the only one with a realistic shot at it.
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Grosjean makes it two!

2012 (after 7 races)

Mark Webber 124 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 1 4th, 1 6th)
Nico Rosberg 95 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Romain Grosjean 83 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Sergio Pérez 78 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 6th, 2 7ths)
Paul Di Resta 58 (3 4ths, 1 5th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Kamui Kobayashi 55 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 8th)
Pastor Maldonado 41 (1 win, 1 5th, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Nico Hulkenberg 39 (2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Felipe Massa 38 (1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 6th, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Bruno Senna 35 (1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 6th)
Jean-Éric Vergne 30 (1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Daniel Ricciardo 24 (1 4th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 2 10ths)
Timo Glock 3 (1 9th, 1 10th)
Heikki Kovalainen 2 (1 9th)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)
Vitaly Petrov 1 (1 10th)


Drivers from five teams in the first five positions after seven races, good stuff at the front. Webber still favourite for a third crown, though.
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It's time to update this. I got depressed after Valencia - Webber dropped out in Q1 but he still managed to win this class thanks to Grosjean's failure and Maldonado's craziness. Then he won again at Silverstone. Today's result, I liked it much more!


2012 (after 10 races)

Mark Webber 189 (4 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 6th)
Nico Rosberg 122 (1 win, 1 2nd, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Sergio Pérez 106 (1 win, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 6th, 2 7ths)
Romain Grosjean 98 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds) -----> Yes, that's just five finishes after ten races, and all of them are podiums; if only...
Kamui Kobayashi 90 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 8th)
Paul Di Resta 78 (4 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Nico Hulkenberg 77 (1 2nd, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Felipe Massa 62 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Bruno Senna 53 (1 3rd, 2 4ths, 1 6th, 1 7th)
Pastor Maldonado 51 (1 win, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 8th, 1 9th, 2 10ths)
Daniel Ricciardo 38 (1 4th, 2 7ths, 3 8ths, 2 10ths)
Jean-Éric Vergne 36 (1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 2 9ths)
Vitaly Petrov 3 (1 9th, 1 10th, 2 11ths, 1 12th, 1 13th)
Heikki Kovalainen 3 (1 9th, 1 10th, 2 11ths, 1 12th, 2 14th)
Timo Glock 3 (1 9th, 1 10th, 1 11th, 1 12th)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)


A fantastic 1-2 for Sauber, although Webber is running away with his third succesive crown, mainly because of Grosjean's ability to run into trouble.

I've calculated the tie-breaks for Petrov, Kovalainen and Glock. Petrov finished 11th today and has moved ahead of Kovalainen by the tiniest of margins. Before this race he was also behind Glock because they shared the same number of 9ths, 10ths, 11ths, 12ths and 13ths (!) while Petrov had one 15th and Glock two 14ths.
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Is that Kobayashi's first win in this championship?
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Yes. Last year Webber robbed him of a Monaco GP win in the final lap!
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Oh yes I remember being briefly really annoyed about that but it was soothed by the fact he won the race in the elimination championship as Webber was already out of that one (along with Vettel, Alonso and Button of course)!!!
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Another nice result for the championship, Grosjean scored his third win of the season and Senna a career best second place. Webber keeps getting solid points:


2012 (after 11 races)

Mark Webber 204 (4 wins, 3 2nds, 2 3rds, 1 4th, 1 6th)
Nico Rosberg 132 (1 win, 1 2nd, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Romain Grosjean 123 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Sergio Pérez 108 (1 win, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 1 9th)
Kamui Kobayashi 90 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 8th)
Nico Hulkenberg 85 (1 2nd, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 3 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Paul Di Resta 84 (4 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Felipe Massa 74 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Bruno Senna 71 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 4ths, 1 6th, 1 7th)
Pastor Maldonado 55 (1 win, 1 5th, 1 6th, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 2 10ths)
Daniel Ricciardo 39 (1 4th, 2 7ths, 3 8ths, 3 10ths)
Jean-Éric Vergne 36 (1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 2 9ths)
Vitaly Petrov 3 (1 9th, 1 10th, 2 11ths, 1 12th, 1 13th...)
Heikki Kovalainen 3 (1 9th, 1 10th, 2 11ths, 2 12ths, 2 14th...)
Timo Glock 3 (1 9th, 1 10th, 1 11th, 1 12th...)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)
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2012 (after 12 races)

Mark Webber 219 (4 wins, 3 2nds, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 1 6th)
Nico Rosberg 138 (1 win, 1 2nd, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Romain Grosjean 123 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Nico Hulkenberg 110 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 3 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Sergio Pérez 108 (1 win, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 1 9th)
Kamui Kobayashi 92 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Felipe Massa 92 (2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Paul Di Resta 92 (4 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Bruno Senna 75 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 4ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Pastor Maldonado 55 (1 win, 1 5th, 1 6th, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 2 10ths)
Daniel Ricciardo 49 (1 4th, 1 5th, 2 7ths, 3 8ths, 3 10ths)
Jean-Éric Vergne 48 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 2 9ths)
Vitaly Petrov 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths)
Heikki Kovalainen 3 (1 9th, 1 10th, 2 11ths)
Timo Glock 3 (1 9th, 1 10th, 1 11th)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)


Brilliant win for Hulkenberg, who moves ahead of both Saubers. In the Battle of the Minnows, Petrov is now ahead of Kovalainen in points as well.
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2012 (after 13 races)

Mark Webber 219 (4 wins, 3 2nds, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 1 6th)
Nico Rosberg 153 (1 win, 1 2nd, 4 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Sergio Pérez 133 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 1 9th)
Romain Grosjean 123 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
Nico Hulkenberg 110 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 3 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 10th)
Felipe Massa 110 (3 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Paul Di Resta 104 (5 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Kamui Kobayashi 102 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 3 5ths, 1 6th, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Bruno Senna 83 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 4ths, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Pastor Maldonado 61 (1 win, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 2 10ths)
Daniel Ricciardo 53 (1 4th, 1 5th, 2 7ths, 4 8ths, 3 10ths)
Jean-Éric Vergne 48 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 2 9ths)
Vitaly Petrov 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths, 3 11ths)
Heikki Kovalainen 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths, 2 11ths)
Timo Glock 3 (1 9th, 1 10th)
Jérôme D'Ambrosio 2 (1 9th)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)


And it's a new tie between the Caterham drivers :lol:
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2012 (after 14 races)

Mark Webber 227 (4 wins, 3 2nds, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 2 6ths)
Nico Rosberg 171 (1 win, 2 2nds, 4 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Sergio Pérez 139 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 6th, 3 7ths, 1 9th)
Romain Grosjean 138 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 3 3rds)
Paul Di Resta 129 (1 win, 5 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Felipe Massa 122 (3 2nds, 1 3rd, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Nico Hulkenberg 111 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 3 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 2 10ths)
Kamui Kobayashi 104 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 3 5ths, 1 6th, 1 8th, 2 9ths)
Bruno Senna 83 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 4ths, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th)
Pastor Maldonado 61 (1 win, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 2 10ths)
Daniel Ricciardo 63 (1 4th, 2 5ths, 2 7ths, 4 8ths, 3 10ths)
Jean-Éric Vergne 48 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 2 9ths)
Timo Glock 7 (1 8th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Vitaly Petrov 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths, 3 11ths)
Heikki Kovalainen 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths, 2 11ths)
Jérôme D'Ambrosio 2 (1 9th)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)



Glock leapfrogges both Caterhams!

Webber is doing his best to lose it, but he will have to improve his game if he's going to manage it. His only opposition is Rosberg, and that's only because of consistence.
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Interesting point if there are no former or current champions then who did Grrrrrsssssjjnnnn crash into at spa......
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WeirdKerr wrote:Interesting point if there are no former or current champions then who did Grrrrrsssssjjnnnn crash into at spa......


Kobayashi, Perez and Maldonado, unless they all become champions too. :lol:
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WeirdKerr wrote:Interesting point if there are no former or current champions then who did Grrrrrsssssjjnnnn crash into at spa......


Some say he can crash into thin air and destroy an F1 car in the process. All we know is, he's called GRRRRRSSSSSSJJJJJJNNNNNNNNN!
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2012 (after 15 races)

Mark Webber 237 (4 wins, 3 2nds, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 6ths)
Nico Rosberg 171 (1 win, 2 2nds, 4 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Felipe Massa 147 (1 win, 3 2nds, 1 3rd, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Sergio Pérez 139 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 6th, 3 7ths, 1 9th)
Romain Grosjean 138 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 3 3rds)
Paul Di Resta 135 (1 win, 5 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 3 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Nico Hulkenberg 126 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 3 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 2 10ths)
Kamui Kobayashi 122 (1 win, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 3 5ths, 1 6th, 1 8th, 2 9ths)
Bruno Senna 85 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 4ths, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Pastor Maldonado 73 (1 win, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 2 10ths)
Daniel Ricciardo 71 (1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 4 8ths, 3 10ths)
Jean-Éric Vergne 52 (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 3 8ths, 2 9ths)
Timo Glock 7 (1 8th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Heikki Kovalainen 5 (1 9th, 3 10ths)
Vitaly Petrov 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths)
Jérôme D'Ambrosio 2 (1 9th)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)



First win of the season for Massa! He's the ninth different race winner this season.

Another poor result for Webber, but his three closest challengers failed to score.
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2012 (after 17 races)

Mark Webber 287 (6 wins, 3 2nds, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 6ths)
Felipe Massa 183 (1 win, 5 2nds, 1 3rd, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Nico Rosberg 179 (1 win, 2 2nds, 4 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 1 8th, 1 9th)
Romain Grosjean 162 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 3 3rds, 2 4ths)
Nico Hulkenberg 156 (1 win, 1 2nd, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 3 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 2 10ths)
Sergio Pérez 145 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 6th, 4 7ths, 1 9th)
Paul Di Resta 145 (1 win, 5 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 4 7ths, 2 8ths, 1 9th)
Kamui Kobayashi 124 (1 win, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 3 5ths, 1 6th, 1 8th, 3 9ths)
Bruno Senna 96 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Daniel Ricciardo 83 (1 4th, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths, 5 8ths, 3 10ths)
Pastor Maldonado 75 (1 win, 1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 2 9ths, 2 10ths)
Jean-Éric Vergne 63 (1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 3 8ths, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Timo Glock 7 (1 8th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Heikki Kovalainen 5 (1 9th, 3 10ths)
Vitaly Petrov 4 (1 9th, 2 10ths)
Jérôme D'Ambrosio 2 (1 9th)
Charles Pic 1 (1 10th)



Mark Webber scores his sixth win of the season and clinches the WDC. It could have been a very different season if the first lap nutcase had managed to avoid trouble more often...
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2012 (Final Standings)

Mark Webber 305 (6 wins, 4 2nds, 3 3rds, 1 4th, 1 5th, 2 6ths)
Felipe Massa 248 (3 wins, 5 2nds, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Nico Hulkenberg 186 (1 win, 1 2nd, 5 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 3 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 2 10ths)
Nico Rosberg 184 (1 win, 2 2nds, 4 3rds, 1 4th, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 2 7ths, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Romain Grosjean 180 (3 wins, 2 2nds, 3 3rds, 2 4ths)
Paul Di Resta 156 (1 win, 5 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 4 7ths, 2 8ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Sergio Pérez 154 (2 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 5th, 2 6ths, 4 7ths, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Kamui Kobayashi 154 (1 win, 3 2nds, 1 3rd, 4 5ths, 1 6th, 1 8th, 4 9ths)
Bruno Senna 118 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 3 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 1 7th, 1 8th, 1 9th, 1 10th)
Pastor Maldonado 112 (2 wins, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8ths, 2 9ths, 2 10ths)
Daniel Ricciardo 101 (1 4th, 2 5ths, 3 6ths, 3 7ths, 6 8ths, 3 10ths)
Jean-Éric Vergne 81 (2 4ths, 2 5ths, 1 6th, 1 7th, 4 8ths, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Vitaly Petrov 12 (1 6th, 1 9th, 2 10ths)
Heikki Kovalainen 11 (1 8th, 2 9ths, 3 10ths)
Timo Glock 9 (1 8th, 2 9ths, 1 10th)
Charles Pic 7 (1 7th, 1 10th)
Jérôme D'Ambrosio 2 (1 9th)



If only Felipe hadn't been so awful during the early part of the season... Webber is now 7th overall in the historical rankings, with three championships and one second place finish. The six men with better results than him are: Reutemann (4 titles, 2 second places), Coulthard (4 titles, 4 third places), Patrese (4 titles, 1 third place), Berger (3 titles, 4 second places), Barrichello (3 titles, 3 second places, 2 third places) and Moss (3 titles, 2 second places, 2 third places). So, with one more championship Webber would become the second most successful driver of this series. But 2012 has been the closest of his titles...

We had nine different race winners this year (Webber, Massa, Grosjean, Pérez, Maldonado, Hulkenberg, Rosberg, Di Resta and Kobayashi) belonging to seven teams. Hulkenberg overtook Rosberg, who had been holding to 2nd for a long time in spite of an increasingly crappy car, at the death to finish 3rd overall. The Sauber teammates did well to finish on even points! Senna's consistency allowed him to finish ahead of the faster Maldonado, in spite of the Venezuelan scoring another win in a crazy race at Yas Marina.

There were some heroics going on at the back of the field until the final race: Petrov overtook Pic for an impressive 6th place, the best ever result for a driver from the three newest teams, with a handful of laps to go; and with that move, he outscored Kovalainen in the standings.

At the moment, 2013 looks interesting: the five presumably faster teams will line up one driver each. Webber, Massa and Pérez will start as favourites.
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Interesting to see who the next new champion will be and therefore having to be removed from these results; it might take a few years yet for that driver to emerge!
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James1978 wrote:Interesting to see who the next new champion will be and therefore having to be removed from these results; it might take a few years yet for that driver to emerge!


I wonder what the biggest gap between new champions is?
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James1978 wrote:Interesting to see who the next new champion will be and therefore having to be removed from these results; it might take a few years yet for that driver to emerge!


I wonder what the biggest gap between new champions is?

My guess is seven years (Mika Häkkinen 1998-Fernando Alonso 2005).
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2013 (after 1 race)

Felipe Massa 25
Mark Webber 18
Adrian Sutil 15
Paul Di Resta 12
Romain Grosjean 10
Sergio Pérez 8
Jean-Éric Vergne 6
Esteban Gutiérrez 4
Valtteri Bottas 2
Jules Bianchi 1


It looks like Massa vs. Webber again, let's hope this year is less of a walkover! Well deserved point for Bianchi in his first ever race.
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It's early days but I'm guessing Rosberg, Perez and Grosjean should be able to get into the mix too.
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