Ponderbox

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 24 Oct 2010, 19:29

watka wrote:Wouldn't it be hilarious if HRT got 10th in the constructors' championship (with a 10th place for Chandhok)...

Fixed.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 24 Oct 2010, 20:14

dr-baker wrote:
watka wrote:Wouldn't it be hilarious if HRT got 10th in the constructors' championship (with a 10th place for Lavaggi)...

Fixed.

That's better :mrgreen:

watka · Post by **watka** » 24 Oct 2010, 21:05

dr-baker wrote:
watka wrote:Wouldn't it be hilarious if HRT got 10th in the constructors' championship (with a 10th place for Chandhok)...

Fixed.

That wouldn't be hilarious, that would be deserved.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 24 Oct 2010, 21:22

watka wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
watka wrote:Wouldn't it be hilarious if HRT got 10th in the constructors' championship (with a 10th place for Chandhok)...

Fixed.

That wouldn't be hilarious, that would be deserved.

Watka, they already are 10th in the standings, Chandhok has managed to finish higher than both Glock and De Grassi in 2 races (14th), I will repeat this fact ad nauseum.

CHANHDOK is the reason HRT will finish higher than Virgin.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 24 Oct 2010, 21:24

ADx_Wales wrote:Watka, they already are 10th in the standings, Chandhok has managed to finish higher than both Glock and De Grassi in 2 races (14th), I will repeat this fact ad nauseum.

CHANHDOK is the reason HRT will finish higher than Virgin.

In fact, after today, I am tempted to say that di Grassi is the reason HRT may finish ahead of Virgin.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 24 Oct 2010, 21:25

ADx_Wales wrote:
Watka, they already are 10th in the standings, Chandhok has managed to finish higher than both Glock and De Grassi in 2 races (14th), I will repeat this fact ad nauseum.

CHANHDOK is the reason HRT will finish higher than Virgin.

11th you mean, lotus is 10th

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 24 Oct 2010, 21:36

Ah, thats where my head goes back into its little zone called "stop thinking"

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 30 Oct 2010, 07:30

If Mclaren had the Renault RS5 V10 in 1993, would Senna have beat Prost and Hill? I think the customer Ford V8 might have been the only thing holding Senna back from dominance.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 30 Oct 2010, 09:20

McLaren were going to have the Renault engine in 1993, Prost did what Senna did when Lotus were going to sign Warwick, Senna was livid enough to rant about it in one of the 1992 top-three post-race interviews.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 30 Oct 2010, 13:32

F1000X wrote:If Mclaren had the Renault RS5 V10 in 1993, would Senna have beat Prost and Hill? I think the customer Ford V8 might have been the only thing holding Senna back from dominance.

Not exactly. The Williams package would still be better than McLaren's because of how good the gadgets in the Williams were. But Prost would have had a really hard time beating Senna indeed, if so, and maybe, MAYBE, Michael Andretti would have performed well, even beating Damon Hill to a pulp.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 30 Oct 2010, 18:31

ADx_Wales wrote:McLaren were going to have the Renault engine in 1993, Prost did what Senna did when Lotus were going to sign Warwick, Senna was livid enough to rant about it in one of the 1992 top-three post-race interviews.

Please explain. He was angry he was GOING to have Renault engine?

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 30 Oct 2010, 18:39

F1000X wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:McLaren were going to have the Renault engine in 1993, Prost did what Senna did when Lotus were going to sign Warwick, Senna was livid enough to rant about it in one of the 1992 top-three post-race interviews.

Please explain. He was angry he was GOING to have Renault engine?

I don't remember the episode, but I think what ADx means is that Prost somehow intervened against the McLaren-Renault partnership, causing Senna to lose his temper.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 30 Oct 2010, 18:42

CarlosFerreira wrote:
F1000X wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:McLaren were going to have the Renault engine in 1993, Prost did what Senna did when Lotus were going to sign Warwick, Senna was livid enough to rant about it in one of the 1992 top-three post-race interviews.

Please explain. He was angry he was GOING to have Renault engine?

I don't remember the episode, but I think what ADx means is that Prost somehow intervened against the McLaren-Renault partnership, causing Senna to lose his temper.

Oh. Yeah, I'd be upset about that too. If anyone has a video of Senna going crazy, let me know.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 30 Oct 2010, 20:24

F1000X wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:
F1000X wrote:quote="ADx_Wales" McLaren were going to have the Renault engine in 1993, Prost did what Senna did when Lotus were going to sign Warwick, Senna was livid enough to rant about it in one of the 1992 top-three post-race interviews./quote

Please explain. He was angry he was GOING to have Renault engine?

I don't remember the episode, but I think what ADx means is that Prost somehow intervened against the McLaren-Renault partnership, causing Senna to lose his temper.

Oh. Yeah, I'd be upset about that too. If anyone has a video of Senna going crazy, let me know.

Senna rage is something I want to see, because I'd love to see him impersonate AJ Foyt.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 30 Oct 2010, 21:21

Nothing crazy, it's just Senna calling Prost a coward. And Renault was never genuinely interested in supplying McLaren, it was just that Prost vetoed him in Williams.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 30 Oct 2010, 21:53

I wonder if Enzo would of sacked Michael if he had been around in '97, in fact would Enzo of signed Michael in the first place?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 30 Oct 2010, 21:58

WeirdKerr wrote:I wonder if Enzo would of sacked Michael if he had been around in '97, in fact would Enzo of signed Michael in the first place?

No. He would have signed Jacques Villeneuve instead, I believe.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 30 Oct 2010, 22:02

Phoenix wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:I wonder if Enzo would of sacked Michael if he had been around in '97, in fact would Enzo of signed Michael in the first place?

No. He would have signed Jacques Villeneuve instead, I believe.

exactly my thoughts.....

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 30 Oct 2010, 23:20

WeirdKerr wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:I wonder if Enzo would of sacked Michael if he had been around in '97, in fact would Enzo of signed Michael in the first place?

No. He would have signed Jacques Villeneuve instead, I believe.

exactly my thoughts.....

Wow, Senna and Villeneuve together in a 1996 Ferrari?? That would be something to see

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 31 Oct 2010, 00:13

According to Roebuck, It would have been Senna and Villeneuve at McLaren in 1988.

Gilles was set to join McLaren for 5 years as of 1983

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 31 Oct 2010, 01:24

ADx_Wales wrote:According to Roebuck, It would have been Senna and Villeneuve at McLaren in 1988.

Gilles was set to join McLaren for 5 years as of 1983

Everybody guess that Senna would have end up moving to Ferrari to end his career in 1995 or 1996

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 31 Oct 2010, 01:26

I wonder how Gilles got thrown out of his car anyways.... was the seatbelt faulty?

"I blame society." -Everyone, basically

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 31 Oct 2010, 02:22

Wasn't the whole seat ejected?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 31 Oct 2010, 14:36

WeirdKerr wrote:I wonder if Enzo would HAVE sacked Michael if he had been around in '97, in fact would Enzo HAVE signed Michael in the first place?

Sorry, but had to fix that. That is one bit of grammer that really gets to me.

Post by **mario** » 31 Oct 2010, 16:21

Myrvold wrote:Wasn't the whole seat ejected?

Pretty much - due to the speed he was doing (Villeneuve would have been doing at least about 120mph, probably more), the car was shattered as it cartwheeled across the grass, and I believe that the seat was torn free during the crash. It shows how frail the cars of the time were in comparison to today (compare Kubica's accident at Canada, where again a the car shattered as it cartwheeled, but Kubica was almost uninjured - mildly concussed, and with a sprained ankle, but otherwise ok).

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 01 Nov 2010, 07:02

You know what?

If Hispania make it to the grid next year with Toyota gear which turns out to be half decent Virgin and Toro Rosso will be in a whole world of trouble with the Red Bull C team (aka Lotus) more likely than not making real gains next season.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 01 Nov 2010, 18:10

Wizzie wrote:You know what?

If Hispania make it to the grid next year with Toyota gear which turns out to be half decent Virgin and Toro Rosso will be in a whole world of trouble with the Red Bull C team (aka Lotus) more likely than not making real gains next season.

I agree, I was thinking that myself though I reckon that the field spread will be significantly smaller next year, so that if HRT are able to make gains with the decent Toyota parts, themselves, Lotus, Virgin, Toro Rosso and Force India will make an almighty scrap at the back of the grid, with Sauber and Williams occasionally challenging Mercedes and Renualt for the upper midfield and Red Bull, Ferrari and McLaren continuing to dominate the front.

watka · Post by **watka** » 01 Nov 2010, 20:43

I wonder how everyone will react when Vettel moves aside to give Webber the championship in Abu Dhabi...

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 01 Nov 2010, 21:47

I wonder how different F1 would be had Bertrand Gachot not assaulted that taxi driver.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 01 Nov 2010, 22:12

redbulljack14 wrote:I wonder how different F1 would be had Bertrand Gachot not assaulted that taxi driver.

easy.... Gachot would of had a blinder of a Belgian grand prix then Ford would move him to Benneton in a straight swap with Roberto Moreno

the rest, as they say is a mystery.......

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 01 Nov 2010, 23:09

redbulljack14 wrote:I wonder how different F1 would be had Bertrand Gachot not assaulted that taxi driver.

Firstly, Gachot never assaulted the taxi driver. The taxi driver wanted to break his face in two, and he defended himself by using some sort of tear gas spray, which was a weapon forbidden in the UK (hence his jail sentence, even though he only tried to self defence by stunning the cabman). Secondly, I'm sure Schumacher would have carved his fay into F1 anyway (probably with Sauber in 1993) and the story would have been pretty much the same but with some delay (Damon Hill 1994 and maybe 1995 WC).

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 01 Nov 2010, 23:51

Phoenix wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:I wonder how different F1 would be had Bertrand Gachot not assaulted that taxi driver.

Firstly, Gachot never assaulted the taxi driver. The taxi driver wanted to break his face in two, and he defended himself by using some sort of tear gas spray, which was a weapon forbidden in the UK (hence his jail sentence, even though he only tried to self defence by stunning the cabman). Secondly, I'm sure Schumacher would have carved his fay into F1 anyway (probably with Sauber in 1993) and the story would have been pretty much the same but with some delay (Damon Hill 1994 and maybe 1995 WC).

truth about the whole story is actually more complicated, as i have seen in a report about schumachers debut on belgian tv.
well what happened with the taxi driver is exactly what you wrote down there but there's more to the story.
It's actually that eddie jordan wanted desperately to get out gachot in the first place, firstly because they couldn't get on very well, secondly because jordan were tighter on budget than most people realise, and that incident came in very handy. The reportage you hear both speak, and you got the feeling eddie is talking a lot of bullshit (surprise surprise) Although gachot is surely a bit of a drama queen, it's a fact that jordan didn't do any effort to make sure gachot could race, as gachot proves that jordan could have easily made sure he wouldn't have to go to jail, or at least not during that GP, i can't remember how he explained it, but it made sence.
How different gachot's career would be? well, he would still be driving a pacific in 1994, because after all, he really was an impossible driver to work with, and rumoured to be the most lazy driver F1 has ever known.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 02 Nov 2010, 00:57

I always wonder what would have happened if Eddie Irvine had had a little bit more brain during the 1st start of the 1994 Italian GP and not taken out both Lotuses with the 109 chassis, or actually what had happened if the Lotus team scored any points at that race, thus reaching the top 10 constructors and earning economical help for 1995...

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 02 Nov 2010, 01:01

they would last a couple more seasons, but would probably be gone by 2000 and pacific wouldn't last the whole 1995, which would make things slightly better for forti

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 13 Nov 2010, 00:07

This is the first season where I've genuinely lost count of how many rounds there were.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 24 Nov 2010, 16:18

And once again, my insanity is at work:

What if one was to made a reality show which would be looking for the next F1 breakout star?
I mean, we could have six or eight video game racers (obviously not of the fat worthless neckbeard kind - and I am allowed to insult them like that, I am one myself :mrgreen:

) and have them duke it out in challenges like race strategy, PR work, technical feedback and so on ... . The actual driving could be done by taking some old F1 cars, modifiying them a bit to not be too far away from the rules. Then a combination of viewer's votes and opinions of three "experts" chooses the winner who recieves a 5 million $ sponsorship package which would certainly give him (or her?) five races with HRT.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 24 Nov 2010, 17:29

Klon wrote:And once again, my insanity is at work:

What if one was to made a reality show which would be looking for the next F1 breakout star?
I mean, we could have six or eight video game racers (obviously not of the fat worthless neckbeard kind - and I am allowed to insult them like that, I am one myself ) and have them duke it out in challenges like race strategy, PR work, technical feedback and so on ... . The actual driving could be done by taking some old F1 cars, modifiying them a bit to not be too far away from the rules. Then a combination of viewer's votes and opinions of three "experts" chooses the winner who recieves a 5 million $ sponsorship package which would certainly give him (or her?) five races with HRT.

Yes, this is awesome, you're awesome, somebody make this show already.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 24 Nov 2010, 19:07

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Klon wrote:And once again, my insanity is at work:

What if one was to made a reality show which would be looking for the next F1 breakout star?
I mean, we could have six or eight video game racers (obviously not of the fat worthless neckbeard kind - and I am allowed to insult them like that, I am one myself ) and have them duke it out in challenges like race strategy, PR work, technical feedback and so on ... . The actual driving could be done by taking some old F1 cars, modifiying them a bit to not be too far away from the rules. Then a combination of viewer's votes and opinions of three "experts" chooses the winner who recieves a 5 million $ sponsorship package which would certainly give him (or her?) five races with HRT.

Yes, this is awesome, you're awesome, somebody make this show already.

A reality show worth watching, never thought i'd see the day.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 24 Nov 2010, 21:16

redbulljack14 wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Klon wrote:And once again, my insanity is at work:

What if one was to made a reality show which would be looking for the next F1 breakout star?
I mean, we could have six or eight video game racers (obviously not of the fat worthless neckbeard kind - and I am allowed to insult them like that, I am one myself ) and have them duke it out in challenges like race strategy, PR work, technical feedback and so on ... . The actual driving could be done by taking some old F1 cars, modifiying them a bit to not be too far away from the rules. Then a combination of viewer's votes and opinions of three "experts" chooses the winner who recieves a 5 million $ sponsorship package which would certainly give him (or her?) five races with HRT.

Yes, this is awesome, you're awesome, somebody make this show already.

A reality show worth watching, never thought i'd see the day.

I'm all for it but I probably won't make it to the final 8 :cry:

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 24 Nov 2010, 23:22

How long until the first Dubai Grand Prix?