Unpopular F1 opinions

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 19 Mar 2010, 09:25

Klon wrote:
dr-baker wrote:And at least it would beat going to another Mickey Mouse track, the likes of which we've seen too many of recently:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney_World_Speedway

Argh! I really hope HWNSNBM does PUNish you!

If he PUNishes me for mine, you would be equally deserving!

kostas22 wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Millions would be spent developing what would basically be a B-spec car especially for the ovals to achieve much lower levels of drag.

Why not introduce a rule that makes teams have to run on ovals with the standard car then?

Easier said than done. The only way I'd see that working without it being exploited is a blanket ban on modifications throughout the season. And we don't want that, it means whoever wins the first race will automatically win the titie.

The answer would be to demand a Monza-spec car - the same car, engine, chassis, etc. MUST be used for both save for exceptional circumstances (e.g. engine failure or car written off in the first event).

coops · Post by **coops** » 19 Mar 2010, 09:58

Well, the Indycar, IRL, Champ Cars, whatever, have raced on both sorts of circuits without having to spend trillions of dollars. Surely F1, "the pinnacle of motorsport" can match that.

You'd see a few drivers becoming known as Oval specialists in the same way some are known as Rain specialists. Picture the scene, Vettel qualifies on Pole but Raikkonen (coz we're doing fantasy now) who is renowned for his Oval pace had a techincal problem in Q1 and starts 5th.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 19 Mar 2010, 14:12

kostas22 wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Millions would be spent developing what would basically be a B-spec car especially for the ovals to achieve much lower levels of drag.

Why not introduce a rule that makes teams have to run on ovals with the standard car then?

Easier said than done. The only way I'd see that working without it being exploited is a blanket ban on modifications throughout the season. And we don't want that, it means whoever wins the first race will automatically win the titie.

Well, to reduce the expenses, another solution could be letting them only develop special wings and that's it.

RAK · Post by **RAK** » 19 Mar 2010, 15:05

Cynon wrote:Lausitzring, Rockingham UK, Darlington, and Martinsville on the F1 calendar. What do you say to that?

It's supposed to be "unpopular" F1 opinions, so I'll measure in with my list of venues.

Indianapolis, Daytona, Ponoco and the speedway section at Twin Ring Motegi.

RejectSteve · Post by **RejectSteve** » 19 Mar 2010, 19:41

RAK wrote:
Cynon wrote:Lausitzring, Rockingham UK, Darlington, and Martinsville on the F1 calendar. What do you say to that?

It's supposed to be "unpopular" F1 opinions, so I'll measure in with my list of venues.

Indianapolis, Daytona, Ponoco and the speedway section at Twin Ring Motegi.

F1 at Pocono? I'm for that. Sure, the facility is a dump but its only 30 minutes up the road for me.

coops · Post by **coops** » 20 Mar 2010, 07:50

RAK wrote:It's supposed to be "unpopular" F1 opinions, so I'll measure in with my list of venues.

Hot damn!* You're right and we went and got carried away. To put things right; Each circuit designed by Herman Tilke is individual and an instant classic.

*I'm not American, did I pull that off?

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 21 Mar 2010, 04:50

coops wrote:
RAK wrote:It's supposed to be "unpopular" F1 opinions, so I'll measure in with my list of venues.

Hot damn!* You're right and we went and got carried away. To put things right; Each circuit designed by Herman Tilke is individual and an instant classic.

*I'm not American, did I pull that off?

Yeah. That works; close enough.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 21 Mar 2010, 11:54

Gianmaria Bruni is better than HWNSNBM.

crazydude1992 · Post by **crazydude1992** » 21 Mar 2010, 13:05

kostas22 wrote:Gianmaria Bruni is better than HWNSNBM.

HWNSNBM wrote:Your attempt to voice this opinion has been noted. A sanitization team will shortly be dispatched to place you under government protection and eliminate all evidence of your existence.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 21 Mar 2010, 15:47

kostas22 wrote:Gianmaria Bruni is better than HWNSNBM.

and HWNSNBM should have been replaced by Leinders

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 23 Mar 2010, 04:33

F1 needs to have 36 car fields, 18 teams, two cars each.

F1 needs CART-style engine/chassis choices.

The Indy 500 would be neat to see as a Formula 1 race again.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 23 Mar 2010, 11:30

Cynon wrote:
The Indy 500 would be neat to see as a Formula 1 race again.

With F1 cars versus the IndyCars in the same field...

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 23 Mar 2010, 22:15

Cynon wrote:F1 needs to have 36 car fields, 18 teams, two cars each.

Who would think of that as unpopular, even if some of them DNQ'd and DNPQ'd

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 23 Mar 2010, 22:28

Actually having this much F1 races is bad, as it the value of a race drops. I'd even sacrifice one or two "traditional" GP to reduce the number of races to 15.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 24 Mar 2010, 09:51

redbulljack14 wrote:
Cynon wrote:F1 needs to have 36 car fields, 18 teams, two cars each.

Who would think of that as unpopular, even if some of them DNQ'd and DNPQ'd

The FIA? But certainly not me...

coops · Post by **coops** » 24 Mar 2010, 09:59

Bruno Senna is heading for F1 Rejectdom.

watka · Post by **watka** » 24 Mar 2010, 22:49

Klon wrote:Actually having this much F1 races is bad, as it the value of a race drops. I'd even sacrifice one or two "traditional" GP to reduce the number of races to 15.

For anyone who has ever said anything nice about Toyota and their drivers (other than Kobayashi), any opinion you have on F1 at all in invalid.

Klon: We are yet to have conducted our duel. I will let you select a suitable location.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 24 Mar 2010, 23:16

I'm fine with any bridge over any river ... but only on rainy days, otherwise I think it lacks the drama of the ultimate showdown of MotoGP fandom vs. Ralf Schumacher fandom

And we will see whom's opinion will be invalid after that!

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 25 Mar 2010, 10:12

Klon wrote:I'm fine with any bridge over any river ... but only on rainy days, otherwise I think it lacks the drama of the ultimate showdown of MotoGP fandom vs. Ralf Schumacher fandom

And we will see whom's opinion will be invalid after that!

I will be watka's witness, being a MotoGP anorak myself.

And I'll pack a sniper rifle, just in case.

coops · Post by **coops** » 27 Mar 2010, 11:50

Michael Schumacher doesnt really care how he figures this year. He's being paid to drive an F1 car for another year. At the end of the year he will still have won more championships than anyone else so nyah nyah nyah nyah nyaaaaah.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 27 Mar 2010, 23:00

How about this one, Montoya should have been 2003 champion.

coops · Post by **coops** » 28 Mar 2010, 10:22

Frentzen127 wrote:Jenson Button is an unworthy world champion.

Pfft.

watka · Post by **watka** » 28 Mar 2010, 17:07

Alan Jones was better than Jack Brabham.

watka · Post by **watka** » 29 Mar 2010, 13:03

Sam Michael is a far better tactician than anyone at Red Bull.

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 29 Mar 2010, 14:33

The 2010 Toyota would have been a winner.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 29 Mar 2010, 15:53

Jeff Gordon and Michael Andretti could have meant F1 would be dominated by Americans in the late 90s. Michael Schumacher who? Jeff Gordon, 5-times WDC?

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 29 Mar 2010, 19:57

Well, honestly, I don't think Jeff Gordon would've been any worse than drivers like... Mark Webber...

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 29 Mar 2010, 21:16

Williams should have signed Deletraz instead of Villeneuve for 1996, just for entertainment.

NOTE: This is not a serious one :lol:

watka · Post by **watka** » 29 Mar 2010, 21:44

redbulljack14 wrote:Williams should have signed Deletraz instead of Villeneuve for 1996, just for entertainment.

NOTE: This is not a serious one

Deletraz could have won the world championship by a more comfortable margin in 1997 than Villeneuve did in that Williams (if Schumacher kept his points).

JJMonty · Post by **JJMonty** » 30 Mar 2010, 11:03

Shinji Nakano would have been world champion had he not crashed all the time!

Thrashing Schuy and Villeneuve all the time and his only realistic rival would have been Ricardo Rosset.....

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 18 Jun 2010, 21:52

I don't know how this will go down with The Whole Spanish Press, but:

Valencia Marina is the most boring F1 circuit ever. The only diversion that was offered to spectators during previous years were coming from Ferrari: mishaps with lollipop traffic lights and Luca Badoer. Therefore, I will boycott the event this year and not watch the race at all. Feel free to also not watch it.

Join me by also signing a petition against the boredom of the Valencia Marina GP and refuse to watch it! This petition is endorsed by Motorsport-a-holics Anonymous.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 18 Jun 2010, 22:28

Yannick wrote:I don't know how this will go down with The Whole Spanish Press, but:

Valencia Marina is the most boring F1 circuit ever. The only diversion that was offered to spectators during previous years were coming from Ferrari: mishaps with lollipop traffic lights and Luca Badoer. Therefore, I will boycott the event this year and not watch the race at all. Feel free to also not watch it.

Join me by also signing a petition against the boredom of the Valencia Marina GP and refuse to watch it! This petition is endorsed by Motorsport-a-holics Anonymous.

My name is Jack, and I am a Motorsport-a-holic

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 19 Jun 2010, 00:50

Yannick wrote:I don't know how this will go down with The Whole Spanish Press, but:

Valencia Marina is the most boring F1 circuit ever. The only diversion that was offered to spectators during previous years were coming from Ferrari: mishaps with lollipop traffic lights and Luca Badoer. Therefore, I will boycott the event this year and not watch the race at all. Feel free to also not watch it.

Join me by also signing a petition against the boredom of the Valencia Marina GP and refuse to watch it! This petition is endorsed by Motorsport-a-holics Anonymous.

This isn't an unpopular opinion on this forum. That track is hideous and horrible at the same time.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 19 Jun 2010, 01:21

Turkey should be kept on the calender, even if no one ends up turning up as the circuit is a great test for the modern day driver, one of the few circuits that still provides such a test.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 19 Jun 2010, 01:23

F1 needs the U.S. more than the U.S. needs F1.

F1 needs more North American and Eastern European drivers in competitive drives.

F1 needs a race in Russia. To top it off, it needs to be the ultimate driver's track.

This season shows how Michael Schumacher really is when he doesn't have a team designed specifically so he can succeed.

The American F1 broadcast is infinitely superior to the British F1 broadcast.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 19 Jun 2010, 01:57

Roberto Moreno is greater than HWNSNBM.
Ricardo Rodríguez would have been greater than Ayrton Senna ever was.
Williams are dead. They are destined for the same fate as Lotus and Brabham. They will keep plugging away in the middle-to-back-of-the-pack until they run out of money and fold.
Some day McLaren will die too.
The only constant factor in Formula One is Ferrari.
There is no such thing as a world champion with a great personality these days. Why do you think Berger was never champion, and Webber never will be?

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 19 Jun 2010, 02:18

kostas22 wrote:There is no such thing as a world champion with a great personality these days. Why do you think Berger was never champion, and Webber never will be?

Jenson Button is a counterpoint. Even if he's being a prettyboy it's pretty genuine. But if you discount Button, I agree. But what you'll see is;

- Robert "You're Not Supposed to Race Me! Racing isn't About Overtaking! It's About... Getting Behind Me!" Kubica, who should stick to rolling cars in rallying.
- Lewis "I'm Going to Threaten to Quit F1 if Mean Ol' Charlie Whiting Calls Me On Reckless Driving! I'm that Important!" Waaaaahmilton, who needs to GTFO out of F1 and come over to NASCAR just so he can face the wrath of Mike Skinner's receding 'stache or go to ARCA so he can get wrecked by everyone else that would hate him for being a pompous ass.
- Sebastian "Red Bull Coddles Me and Doesn't Discipline Me When I Misbehave" Vettel, who needs to come to NASCAR and see how well that attitude holds up.
- Fernando "GAAH!!! BACKMARKERS!!!! F*&#ING %$%^$(# %#@&$# BACKMARKERS!!!!/Michael Schumacher Pt. II" Alonso, who needs to run in Le Mans series to get more experience in passing slower cars, or just passing in general...

JohnMLTX · Post by **JohnMLTX** » 19 Jun 2010, 07:42

Lewis Hamilton and Schumi only won championships because their teams gave them unfair amounts of attention.

Honda should've gone bankrupt instead of Super Aguri, and Aguri/Brawn should've been Sato and Button.

The breakaway FOTA series would've lead to a CART/IRL split that would have ended in a massive embarrasment for us all.

Tilke is good, and only gets a bad rep due to the limitations he's forced to follow.

Bourdais, had he been kept by Toro Rosso, would have won at least 3 races by now, and would have several teams interested in signing him.

Sauber is on the way out.

coops · Post by **coops** » 19 Jun 2010, 11:06

Alex Yoong was so posh even the Queen took the piss out of his accent.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 19 Jun 2010, 11:13

Michael Schumacher remains the greatest driver of all time.