F1 1984+

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 01 Nov 2016, 23:25

This wrote:Considering the big competition for Longines, i'll select Milde Sorte instead as sponsor bid, if that is ok.

I should have kept my big gob shut! Changed it for you.

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 01 Nov 2016, 23:32

@FantometteBR I've just now noticed, as I fiddle with my spreadsheet, that you've only listed six sponsors. You're under no obligation to sign a team sponsor in this phase, but you're entitled (although not required) to list up-to seven supplementary sponsors.

I wouldn't normally interfere with a player's choices, but this looks like an accident/misunderstanding that puts you at a disadvantage. Would you like to select a seventh supplementary sponsor to approach?

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 02 Nov 2016, 03:16

Sponsorship bids for Osella:
DENIM
Topolino
SAIMA
EniChem
Longines
Marlboro
Olivetti

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 02 Nov 2016, 19:23

Sponsors

Team+Sup Sponsors

1. John Player Special

Should that fail, we will wait.

Dexter249 · Post by **Dexter249** » 02 Nov 2016, 20:02

Sponsors
John Player Special (HERE COMES THE MONEY)
Nordica
Skoal Bandit
Barclay
Unipart
ICI Tactel
Longines

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 02 Nov 2016, 22:56

BioBiro wrote:@FantometteBR I've just now noticed, as I fiddle with my spreadsheet, that you've only listed six sponsors. You're under no obligation to sign a team sponsor in this phase, but you're entitled (although not required) to list up-to seven supplementary sponsors.

I wouldn't normally interfere with a player's choices, but this looks like an accident/misunderstanding that puts you at a disadvantage. Would you like to select a seventh supplementary sponsor to approach?

I'll Pick ICI Tactel then

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 03 Nov 2016, 22:00

Sponsor Signing Results - Set One (Of Two)
Würth were top priority for ATS, and since they're the only German team, they get 'em.

John Player Special
Toleman - 27% chance
Tyrrell - 30% chance
Alfa Romeo - 41% chance
Alfa Romeo gets it!

Gitanes
Ligier - 5% chance
Renault - 94% chance
Renault gets it!

Comtesse du Barry
Ligier - 5% chance
Renault - 94% chance
Renault gets it!

Smart move by Ligier to make the only bid for Milde Sorte…

… and Steinbock!

Benetton
Lotus - 19% chance
Arrows - 10% chance
Tyrrell - 20% chance
Williams - 49% chance
Williams gets it!

Nordica
Lotus - 13% chance
Arrows - 7% chance
Brabham - 65% chance
Toleman - 12% chance
Brabham gets it!

Toleman is the only team interested in Skoal Bandit's team sponsorship money!

Topolino
Ferrari - 90% chance
Minardi - 4% chance
Osella - 4% chance
Ferrari gets it!

DENIM
Ferrari - 90% chance
Osella - 4% chance
Minardi - 4% chance
Ferrari gets it!

SAIMA
Ferrari - 90% chance
Minardi - 4% chance
Osella - 4% chance
Ferrari gets it!

FACOM
Ligier - 11% chance
McLaren - 88% chance
McLaren gets it!

Magirus
Ligier - 10% chance
McLaren - 79% chance
Spirit - 10% chance
McLaren gets it!

Ligier have the sole bid on Rizla. This concludes their sponsorship interests for this phase, leaving them with one free supplementary slot.

Unipart
Lotus - 7% chance
RAM - 2% chance
Arrows - 4% chance
Brabham - 37% chance
McLaren - 18% chance
Williams - 19% chance
Spirit - 2% chance
Toleman - 7% chance
Toleman gets it!

ICI Tactel
Lotus - 7% chance
RAM - 2% chance
Brabham - 35% chance
Tyrrell - 7% chance
Williams - 19% chance
Spirit - 2% chance
Toleman - 6% chance
McLaren - 18% chance
Lotus gets it!

Newsweek
Lotus - 6% chance
RAM - 2% chance
Brabham - 30% chance
Tyrrell - 6% chance
ATS - 2% chance
Renault - 33% chance
Williams - 16% chance
Spirit - 2% chance
Renault gets it!

Williams sign Diavia, as they are the only team with an interest in them.

With opportunities slipping away all the time, Minardi sign Sergio Tacchini.

EniChem
RAM - 3% chance
Tyrrell - 13% chance
ATS - 3% chance
Renault - 66% chance
Minardi - 3% chance
Spirit - 3% chance
Osella - 3% chance
Tyrrell gets it!

Koni
RAM - 33% chance
ATS - 33% chance
Spirit - 33% chance
Spirit gets it!

ATS sign Parfums Victor, the only team interested in them. This ends the team's interest in signing further sponsors in this phase, leaving them with one slot remaining for phase two.

Marlboro
Lotus - 45% chance
RAM - 14% chance
Arrows - 25% chance
Osella - 14% chance
Lotus gets it!

Panasonic
RAM - 9% chance
Arrows - 16% chance
McLaren - 73% chance
McLaren gets it!
McLaren are done for the day, with a full house of supplementary sponsors. They leave space for a team sponsor, in phase two.

Longines
Lotus - 11% chance
Arrows - 6% chance
Brabham - 55% chance
Tyrrell - 12% chance
Osella - 3% chance
Toleman - 10% chance
Brabham gets it!

Olivetti
Arrows - 7% chance
Brabham - 68% chance
Tyrrell - 15% chance
Minardi - 4% chance
Osella - 4% chance
Brabham gets it!

Segafrido Zanetti
Brabham - 88% chance
Minardi - 5% chance
Spirit - 5% chance
Brabham gets it!

tl;dr

Nordica Brabham signed Nordica, Longines, Olivetti and Segafrido Zanetti for a total sponsorship income of £22,000,000. They have no slots left, and will not take part in the second phase of sponsor signing.
John Player Special Alfa Romeo signed John Player Special, for a total sponsorship income of £20,500,000. They have no slots left, and will not take part in the second phase of sponsor signing.
Ferrari signed Topolino, DENIM and SAIMA, for a total sponsorship income of £19,000,000. They have no slots left, and will not take part in the second phase of sponsor signing.
Renault signed Gitanes, Comtesse du barry and Newsweek, for a total sponsorship income of £18,000,000. They have no slots left, and will not take part in the second phase of sponsor signing.
Skoal Bandit Toleman signed Skoal Bandit and Unipart, for a total sponsorship income of £16,000,000. They have two supplementary slots left.
Benetton Williams signed Benetton and Diavia, for a total sponsorship income of £14,000,000. They have two supplementary slots left.
Lotus signed ICI Tactel and Marlboro, for a total sponsorship income of £11,000,000. They have their team slot left to fill, in addition to one supplementary slot left.
ATS signed Würth and Parfums Victor, for a total sponsorship income of £11,000,000. They have one supplementary slot left.
McLaren signed FACOM, Magirus and Panasonic, for a total sponsorship income of £7,000,000. They have their team slot left to fill.
Ligier signed Milde Sorte, Steinbock and Rizla, for a total sponsorship income of £7,000,000. They have one supplementary slot left.
Tyrrell signed EniChem, for a total sponsorship income of £5,000,000. They have their team slot left to fill, in addition to two supplementary slots left.
Spirit signed Koni, for a total sponsorship income of £5,000,000. They have three supplementary slots left.
Minardi signed Sergio Tacchini, for a total sponsorship income of £2,000,000. They have three supplementary slots left.
Arrows signed no sponsors. They have their team slot left to fill, in addition to three supplementary slots left.
Osella signed no sponsors. They have four supplementary slots left.
RAM signed no sponsors. They have four supplementary slots left.

Well done to all. The top teams muscled their way into the high-paying sponsors they wanted; no surprises there. Those in the middle came away with something, and those at the back really struggled. Of particular note are Alfa Romeo, with the second-biggest budget in this phase; Toleman, who've really set themselves up for success with a rich haul and further signing opportunities still; ATS, with a budget that currently equals Lotus'. I was impressed, in particular, by the Ligier team, who made clever, intelligent approaches to potential sponsors.

I'd like to assure those teams that struggled to find sponsorship, that with several of the 'big boys' out-of-play for the second phase with full houses, your chances of signing sponsors is much higher… assuming that the market remains non-volatile, and the sponsors don't take advantage of your desperation!

Your budgets have been adjusted in the first post of the thread, to reflect your sponsorship incomes, and for some – your new team names!

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 03 Nov 2016, 22:07

Right, that went well... :facepalm:

I assume we can borrow money until the next sponsor stage, otherwise getting engines may be a bit tricky.

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 03 Nov 2016, 22:11

This Could Be You wrote:Right, that went well...

I was almost considering amending my above post to add an apologetic sentence stating that the Arrows team were unlucky, and have no reason to feel shameful, but since you've just posted, I'll state this directly to you

.

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 03 Nov 2016, 22:19

BioBiro wrote:
This Could Be You wrote:Right, that went well...
I was almost considering amending my above post to add an apologetic sentence stating that the Arrows team were unlucky, and have no reason to feel shameful, but since you've just posted, I'll state this directly to you .

Well it is Arrows, one of the unluckiest teams in F1 history- in 1983 they ran with no consistent sponsors at all, changing livery every race to keep afloat!

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 03 Nov 2016, 22:29

This Could Be You wrote:I assume we can borrow money until the next sponsor stage, otherwise getting engines may be a bit tricky.

Yes, you may borrow up to your starting budget for the season, which in your case, with no sponsors... is £4,745,000.

Engine signing is also in two phases, so you can always sign an engine after (hopefully) acquiring sponsorship in the second phase.

But, don't worry~; I'll make sure there's at least one naturally-aspirated crapbox your team can afford, no matter what!

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 03 Nov 2016, 22:33

Oh well, lot of average sponsors and Chico Serras "talent"... But i guess this is pretty good considering the disastrous 1983.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 03 Nov 2016, 22:52

I'll be honest, I'm pretty happy with how Minardi is doing at the moment. We're doing our level best to drape ourselves in the Italian flag in the hope that it distracts potential sponsors from the fact that our car threatens to be 1984's Maki F101...

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 04 Nov 2016, 01:43

Aislabie wrote:I'll be honest, I'm pretty happy with how Minardi is doing at the moment. We're doing our level best to drape ourselves in the Italian flag in the hope that it distracts potential sponsors from the fact that our car threatens to be 1984's Maki F101...

You got bathplugging De Cesaris as your driver, i think your season is already awesome.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 04 Nov 2016, 09:55

This wrote:
Aislabie wrote:I'll be honest, I'm pretty happy with how Minardi is doing at the moment. We're doing our level best to drape ourselves in the Italian flag in the hope that it distracts potential sponsors from the fact that our car threatens to be 1984's Maki F101...

You got bathplugging De Cesaris as your driver, i think your season is already awesome.

Yeah... no idea how that happened, but very glad it did

CarloSpace · Post by **CarloSpace** » 04 Nov 2016, 19:09

Can I join the waiting list, please

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 04 Nov 2016, 20:53

CarloSpace wrote:Can I join the waiting list, please

You have been added to the waiting list. Your current position is: 2nd.

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 04 Nov 2016, 21:42

Engine Signing - Set One (Of Two)
Hello~! Time for the best bit~!

Since there are two phases to signing an engine supplier, nobody is under any requirement to sign an engine, or even make any offers, in this phase.

Engine prices are non-negotiable. To submit your interest in an engine deal, simply state the engine manufacturer, unit/model name, and deal you would prefer, like this:

Code: Select all

Pea Car Boo Racing would like to sign one of the below engine suppliers, in order of preference:
Renault EF4B - Works
BMW M12/13 - Semi-Works
BMW M12/13 - Customer
Renault EF4 - Customer
Porsche - Works

Engine suppliers who have manufacturer-backed teams competing in the sport (Ferrari, Renault and Alfa Romeo) have 'first call' on the works engines from their manufacturers. Others may sign those works engines only in the event that the engine's manufacturer-backed team chooses to sign a different engine (e.g. should Ferrari sign an engine deal other than the works Ferrari engine, then that works Ferrari engine becomes available to others).

Ferrari and Renault - your parent manufacturers have works engine deals they expect you to accept. A reminder:

BioBiro in the pub wrote:I'd like to make it clear to those that have chosen to manage manufacturer-backed teams with matching works engines (Renault and Ferrari), that I will not 'bound' you to those engines. However, for those managers, failing to choose the matching works engine deal for your team will result in your manufacturer stripping you of the budget they provide you with each season, the loss of the manufacturer's name as your team name, as well as other possible (likely political) ramifications down the line.

Alfa Romeo - Alfa give priority to you with their works turbocharged engine, but as they do not support your team financially in any way, Alfa's presence in Formula One (continued supply and development of the 890T engine, as well as your team's naming rights) is largely driven by whether you continue to use their engine.

For everyone else, please try to list at least three engines!

What do these deal types mean?

Works engine deals…

Do allow you to dictate the direction of the engine's development.
Engine development & testing is available to you.
You will receive upgrades throughout the season.

Semi-works engine deals…

Do not allow you to dictate the direction of the engine's development.
Engine development & testing is available to you.
You will receive upgrades throughout the season, at approximately half the rate the works team receives them.

Customer engine deals…

Do not allow you to dictate the direction of the engine's development.
Engine development & testing is not available to you.
You will not receive upgrades throughout the season.

When I receive a wishlist, or a statement that you do not wish to sign an engine in this phase of engine signing, from every team, I shall post the results.

Here~, we go!

Ferrari 031
Nationality: Italian
1.5L V6 Turbocharged
660HP, 155kg, 55% Reliability
Deals offered:
Works – £5,000,000 - Note: This is the Ferrari team's manufacturer-supplied engine arrangement, which they are expected to accept.

BMW M12/13
Nationality: German
1.5L Inline 4 Turbocharged
865HP, 170kg, 40% Reliability
Deals offered:
Semi-Works – £5,450,000 – Requirement: must have at least one German driver.
Semi-Works – £5,450,000 – Requirement: must have at least one German driver.
Customer – £3,950,000

Alfa Romeo 890T
Nationality: Italian
1.5L V8 Turbocharged
670HP, 146kg, 55% Reliability
Deals offered:
Works – £6,200,000 - Preference (for Alfa Romeo): would like at least one Italian driver. Requirement (for everyone except Alfa Romeo): must have at least one Italian driver. Note: This is the Alfa Romeo team's manufacturer-supplied engine arrangement, which they are expected to accept.
Customer – £3,700,000 - Requirement: must have at least one Italian driver.
Customer – £3,700,000 - Requirement: must have at least one Italian driver.

Renault EF4
Nationality: French
1.5L V6 Turbocharged
700HP, 178kg, 80% Reliability
Deals offered:
Works – £5,999,999 – Preference (for Renault): would like at least one French driver. Requirement (for everyone except Renault): must have at least one French driver. Note: This is the Renault team's manufacturer-supplied engine arrangement, which they are expected to accept.
Semi-Works – £4,999,999 - Requirement: must have at least one French driver.
Customer – £3,999,999

Renault EF4B
Nationality: French
1.5L V6 Turbocharged
750HP, 180kg, 45% Reliability
Deals offered:
Works – £5,499,999

Porsche TTE PO1
Nationality: German
1.5L V6 Turbocharged
700HP, 150kg, 85% Reliability
Deals offered:
Works – £8,630,000 – Note: allows signing of, otherwise unavailable phase-two sponsor, TAG, as engine rebranding.

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 04 Nov 2016, 22:52

Right, here goes nothing...

Porsche TTEPO1 (works) (Arrows-Porsche, what could go wrong... besides the team being almost completely bankrupt, with no chance to sign new sponsors until after fuel/tyres are bought)
Renault EF4B (works)
BMW M12 (customer)
Renault EF4 (customer)

If these all fail ( in which case I have worse luck than TWR in running Arrows) I'll wait for the second stage.

In the unlikely event that we do get the TAG-Porsche engines, there better be some good sponsors in phase two, or we're going down!

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 04 Nov 2016, 22:54

Ferrari does not plan to upset the apple cart, and will continue to work in harmony with it's own engine department. Can you imagine the uproar if that didn't happen? :chilton:

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 04 Nov 2016, 23:05

Renault for well obvious reason will run Renault engines the RE50 will be powered by the EF4 engine.

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 04 Nov 2016, 23:28

This Could Be You wrote:BMW M12 (works)
Renault EF4 (Semi-works)
BMW M12 (semi-works)

Woah, woah~, there! You don't have any German, nor French drivers in your team! Your EF4B request is still valid, of course, if you want to keep it (and revise your list, if you want).

Admittedly, for some teams, this early phase of engine signing will be more of a wake-up call as to who you'll be signing (whether you like it or not) in the second phase of driver signing!

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 04 Nov 2016, 23:39

Oops, didn't read that bit. I guess I have to adjust it to match the engines I can actually choose (it's unlikely that I will sign Hesnault or Bellof, who I believe are the only drivers left who I could sign to meet the demands).

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 04 Nov 2016, 23:51

This Could Be You wrote:(it's unlikely that I will sign Hesnault or Bellof, who I believe are the only drivers left who I could sign to meet the demands).

If it's any comfort, phase two of driver signing will be a different set of drivers*, so there would be further candidates of the desired nationality on the market.

Regardless, I've noticed your adjusted list, and cannot deny slightly enjoying seeing you having to lower your options as you take into account your difficult position!

* Drivers from phase one will also still be available in phase two.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 04 Nov 2016, 23:53

Minardi would like an Alfa Romeo customer deal please. We believe it to be the best fit for us as a proudly Italian team.

Otherwise, we'll let it go through to Round Two.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 05 Nov 2016, 00:09

Ligier's choices:
1 BMW M12/13 works
Requirement: must have at least one German driver. We have that! And he has some good connections with BMW as well...
2 BMW M12/13 Semi works
I mean, we're the only team so far having signed a German driver.
3 Renault EF4B
I'm sure the French government can arrange us something.
4 Renault EF4 - Customer
I mean, the french government can surely push Ligier into signing this deal...
5 BMW M12/13 - Customer
Hey, we didn't sign Winkelhock just for decoration, you know?

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 05 Nov 2016, 00:39

Tyrrell:

1. Renault EF4 semi-works
2. BMW M12/13 semi-works
3. Renault EF4 customer
4. BMW M12/13 customer
5. Alfa Romeo 890T customer

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 05 Nov 2016, 01:08

1. Alfa Romeo 890T (works)
2. Alfa Romeo 890T (works)
3. Alfa Romeo 890T (works)
4. Alfa Romeo 890T (works)
5. Alfa Rom... I think you get it

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 05 Nov 2016, 01:41

McLaren goes for these engine choices

1-Porsche TTE PO1
2-BMW M12/13
3-Renault EF4
4-Alfa Romeo 890T
5-Renault EF4B

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 05 Nov 2016, 10:32

RAM will make no bids in this stage.

novitopoli · Post by **novitopoli** » 05 Nov 2016, 10:50

Porsche TTEPO1 (works)
Renault EF4B (works)

Otherwise, we'll wait for next phase.

Post by **Ataxia** » 05 Nov 2016, 15:27

Brabham Engine Bids

Porsche TTE PO1 - Works
Renault EF4 - Semi-Works
(wait for phase 2)

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 05 Nov 2016, 17:37

V8fan12 wrote:1. Renault EF4 semi-works
2. BMW M12/13 semi-works
5. Alfa Romeo 890T customer

As the Tyrrell team has no drivers signed at present, your interest in the EF4 semi-works, BMW semi-works, and Alfa 890T customer engines are invalid, at this stage.

Your EF4 customer and BMW M12/13 customer bids are still valid, of course. I'll assume you're happy with just those two bids in this phase, but let me know if you want to change things.

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 05 Nov 2016, 17:42

FantometteBR wrote:McLaren goes for these engine choices

1-Porsche TTE PO1
2-BMW M12/13
3-Renault EF4
4-Alfa Romeo 890T
5-Renault EF4B

I'm assuming your interest in BMW is only for their customer deal? They have driver nationality requirements for their superior deals - the same applies to Alfa's customer deals, so your bid for the 890T is invalid!

Post by **tommykl** » 05 Nov 2016, 20:37

Spirit's engine bids:

1. Renault EF4 (semi-works)
2. Renault EF4 (customer)
3. BMW M12/13 (customer)

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 05 Nov 2016, 22:21

BioBiro wrote:
V8fan12 wrote:1. Renault EF4 semi-works
2. BMW M12/13 semi-works
5. Alfa Romeo 890T customer
As the Tyrrell team has no drivers signed at present, your interest in the EF4 semi-works, BMW semi-works, and Alfa 890T customer engines are invalid, at this stage.

Your EF4 customer and BMW M12/13 customer bids are still valid, of course. I'll assume you're happy with just those two bids in this phase, but let me know if you want to change things.

Yup, that is fine

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 05 Nov 2016, 23:21

BioBiro wrote:
FantometteBR wrote:McLaren goes for these engine choices

1-Porsche TTE PO1
2-BMW M12/13
3-Renault EF4
4-Alfa Romeo 890T
5-Renault EF4B
I'm assuming your interest in BMW is only for their customer deal? They have driver nationality requirements for their superior deals - the same applies to Alfa's customer deals, so your bid for the 890T is invalid!

I see... well so lets keep the remaining bids then

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 05 Nov 2016, 23:34

FantometteBR wrote:I see... well so lets keep the remaining bids then

OK, no problem. Deals that have driver nationality requirements are listed in red font next to the deal.

To clarify, your remaining bids would be:

Porsche TTE PO1 - Works
BMW M12/13 - Customer (because you have no German drivers at present)
Renault EF4 - Customer (because you have no French drivers at present)
Renault EF4B - Works

I'll assume you're happy with that, but if you want to change them (or re-order them), feel free to let me know.

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 06 Nov 2016, 03:18

Well, that series of sponsor signing went well...

Anyways, here is our engine bids:
1. BMW M12/13 - Semi-Works
2. BMW M12/13 - Customer
3. Renault EF4 - Customer

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 06 Nov 2016, 12:16

BioBiro wrote:
FantometteBR wrote:I see... well so lets keep the remaining bids then
OK, no problem. Deals that have driver nationality requirements are listed in red font next to the deal.

To clarify, your remaining bids would be:
Porsche TTE PO1 - Works
BMW M12/13 - Customer (because you have no German drivers at present)
Renault EF4 - Customer (because you have no French drivers at present)
Renault EF4B - Works

I'll assume you're happy with that, but if you want to change them (or re-order them), feel free to let me know.

THey can work as that. TYMC