Apertura 2011

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 10 Mar 2011, 12:35

Apertura is spanish for Opening Term

Mostly used in Argentina to start their Top-Flight footballsoccer championship.

And from the creator of the 2010 end of season playoff format. I present the 2011 Apertura.

A basic 16 driver knockout format consisting of the highest points finishers of the previous season:

Drivers eligible for the 2011 Apertura:

-Vettel (2010 season champion)
- Alonso
- Webber
- Hamilton
- Button
- Massa
- Rosberg
- Kubica ( out injured)
- Schumacher
- Barrichello
- Sutil
- Kobayashi
- Petrov
- Hulkenberg (out of race seat)
- Liuzzi
- Buemi
- De la Rosa (out of race seat
- Heidfeld
- Alguersuari

(Only drivers with a guaranteed race seat can therefore take part in the round of 16)

I will make a seperate page for each round but here is the basic look at who will be looking to beat who in Melbourne:

Vettel v Alguersuari

Alonso v Heidfeld

Webber v Buemi

Hamilton v Liuzzi

Button v Petrov

Massa v Kobayashi

Rosberg v Sutil

Schumacher v Barrichello.

Please withold your predictions for the ''Apertura 2011 Round of 16'' page which will be due in several hours time.

Anyone prepared to recreate previous years in this format remember.

Highest points finishers of the previous season.

If there are less than 16 points finishers then the remaining slots should be filled by the fastest qualifying on the saturday of the first round.

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 10 Mar 2011, 13:59

EDIT: ...if anyone saw those two posts I deleted, I may well have bathplugged up the structure of the competition.

ADx_Wales, can you confirm which way this works?

(1) The winner of Vettel v Alguersuari plays the winner of Alonso v Heidfeld; the winner of Webber v Buemi plays the winner of Hamilton v Liuzzi, etc...

or is it...

(2) The winner of Vettel v Alguersuari plays the winner of Schumacher v Barrichello; the winner of Alonso v Heidfeld plays the winner of Rosberg v Sutil, etc...

or is it...

(3) a true seeding system, which needs a grid like this? (In order: 1,8,4,5,6,3,7,2)

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Vettel (1)
Alguersuari (16)
                   ---QF 1---
Schumacher (8)
Barrichello (9)
                               ---SF 2---
Hamilton (4)
Liuzzi (13)
                   ---QF 2---
Button (5)
Petrov (12)
                                           ---FINAL---
Massa (6)
Kobayashi (11)
                   ---QF 3---
Webber (3)
Buemi (14)
                               ---SF 2---
Rosberg (7)
Sutil (10)
                   ---QF 4---
Alonso (2)
Heidfeld (15)

That way, 1st and 2nd seeds cannot meet until the final, 1st and 4rd / 2nd and 3rd until the semis, etc. But there's always a chance that those seeds in the top 8 can be knocked out with a bad result...

Anyway, I will reprogram what I worked out for the 2010 and 2009 Aperturi using this seeding system, and see what happens....

EDIT AGAIN: ...I think system 3 may be exactly the same as 2! Hang on while I work out 2009 as well...

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 10 Mar 2011, 15:30

or
(4) best of those who continue vs worst

Let's say, the winners from round 1 are:
Vettel (1)
Schumacher (8)
Hamilton (4)
Petrov (12)
Kobayashi (11)
Webber (3)
Sutil (10)
Alonso (2)

Pairs in round 2 would be
Vettel - Petrov
Alonso - Kobayashi
Webber - Sutil
Hamilton - Schumacher

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 10 Mar 2011, 15:46

And according to 2009 as well, systems 2 and 3 are the same. Couldn't see the carbon fibre for all the F1 cars.

I suppose there's a system 5 (or should that be 4, now?) as well - the FA Cup system, with a random draw for each round...

However, I reckon the seeding system is the one that should be used. What say you, ADx_Wales?

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 10 Mar 2011, 16:43

Sorry for the delay,

Dinizintheoven, your "seeded" structure or (3) as you put it in the display box is exactly how this competition would be formatted, apologies for that lack of detail, had the idea whilst in work and had to put the basics in.

Yes, 1st plays 16th, 2nd plays 15th and 3rd plays 14th...etc. so what should happen is 1st meets 2nd in the final, but as we all know it doesnt or SHOULDNT end that way come round 4 of the season.

Something has come up and will post the "Apertura 2011 Round of 16" at around 11.30pm GMT tonight.

Post by **tommykl** » 10 Mar 2011, 17:56

I'm looking at doing for every season, so all I'm asking is:

Is the final race actually the fourth of the championship?

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 10 Mar 2011, 19:13

ADx_Wales wrote:Dinizintheoven, your "seeded" structure or (3) as you put it in the display box is exactly how this competition would be formatted, apologies for that lack of detail, had the idea whilst in work and had to put the basics in.
Yes, 1st plays 16th, 2nd plays 15th and 3rd plays 14th...etc. so what should happen is 1st meets 2nd in the final, but as we all know it doesnt or SHOULDNT end that way come round 4 of the season.

And so, I give you the previous two Apertura competitions.

APERTURA 2010

Seeding positions:

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POS  SEED DRIVER
1    1    J. Button
2    2    S. Vettel
3    3    R. Barrichello
4    4    M. Webber
5    5    L. Hamilton
6    -    K. Räikkönen - gone rallying
7    6    N. Rosberg
8    7    J. Trulli
9    8    F. Alonso
10   9    T. Glock
11   10   F. Massa
12   11   H. Kovalainen
13   -    N. Heidfeld - testing for Mercedes
14   12   R. Kubica
15   -    G. Fisichella - testing for Ferrari
16   13   S. Buemi
17   14   A. Sutil
18   15   K. Kobayashi
--- no more points finishers ---
-    16   M. Schumacher - 7th in qualifying at Bahrain

The actual tournament:

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BAHRAIN                  AUSTRALIA           MALAYSIA         CHINA

Button (1) - 7th
Schumacher (16) - 6th
                         Schumacher - 10th
                         Alonso - 4th
Alonso (8) - 1st
Glock (9) - DNF
                                             Alonso - 13th
                                             Hamilton - 6th
Webber (4) - 8th
Buemi (13) - 16th
                         Webber - 9th
                         Hamilton - 6th
Hamilton (5) - 3rd
Kubica (12) - 11th
                                                              HAMILTON (2nd)
                                                              Rosberg (3rd)
Rosberg (6) - 4th
Kovalainen (11) - 15th
                         Rosberg - 5th
                         Barrichello - 8th
Barrichello (3) - 10th
Sutil (14) - 14th
                                             Rosberg - 3rd
                                             Massa - 7th
Trulli (7) - 17th
Massa (10) - 2nd
                         Massa - 3rd
                         Vettel - DNF
Vettel (2) - 4th
Kobayashi (15) - DNF

APERTURA 2009

Seeding positions:

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POS  SEED DRIVER
1    1    L. Hamilton
2    2    F. Massa
3    3    K. Räikkönen
4    4    R. Kubica
5    5    F. Alonso
6    6    N. Heidfeld
7    7    H. Kovalainen
8    8    S. Vettel
9    9    J. Trulli
10   10   T. Glock
11   11   M. Webber
12   12   N. Piquet
13   13   N. Rosberg
14   14   R. Barrichello
15   15   K. Nakajima
16   -    D. Coulthard - retired
17   16   S. Bourdais

Tournament:

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AUSTRALIA                MALAYSIA            CHINA            BAHRAIN

Hamilton (1) - disq
Bourdais (16) - 8th
                         Bourdais - 10th
                         Trulli - 4th
Vettel (8) - 13th
Trulli (9) - 3rd
                                             Trulli - DNF
                                             Rosberg - 15th
Kubica (4) - 14th
Rosberg (13) - 6th
                         Rosberg - 8th
                         Alonso - 11th
Alonso (5) - 5th
Piquet (12) - DNF
                                                              Rosberg (9th)
                                                              GLOCK (7th)
Heidfeld (6) - 6th
Webber (11) - 12th
                         Heidfeld - 2nd
                         Barrichello - 5th
Räikkönen (3) - 15th
Barrichello (14) - 2nd
                                             Heidfeld - 10th
                                             Glock - 7th
Kovalainen (7) - DNF
Glock (10) - 4th
                         Glock - 3rd
                         Massa - 9th
Massa (2) - DNF (lap 45)
Nakajima (15) - DNF (lap 17)

Hopefully the "code" formatting has done its job. ADx_Wales, tell me that you get the same results for these two seasons as I do... and then we're all in the clear.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 10 Mar 2011, 22:19

Spot on Diniz

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 11 Mar 2011, 03:07

Wunderbar. It's a good job this isn't on a Ferrari forum - it would be ablaze with the sound of hatred for the 2010 champion, and let's not forget Timo Glock started 2009 as every biased Ferraristi's second least favourite driver...

Timo is probably sitting in the Virgin garage wondering how it could all have gone wrong after 2009, as he waits to start the race from 21st on the grid...

Anyway, now that there's no confusion with the way it all works, how about I go on and provide APERTURA 2008 - and there's no need to do it with the code, now that I know what I'm doing.

Seedings:
(1) K. Räikkönen
(2) L. Hamilton
(3) F. Alonso
(4) F. Massa
(5) N. Heidfeld
(6) R. Kubica
(7) H. Kovalainen
(8) G. Fisichella
(9) N. Rosberg
(10) D. Coulthard
(NA) A. Wurz - retired
(11) M. Webber
(12) J. Trulli
(13) S. Vettel
(14) J. Button
(NA) R. Schumacher - departed for a mediocre career in DTM
(15) T. Sato - made it to the first four races of 2008
(NA) V. Liuzzi - dropped at the end of the 2007 season
(16) A. Sutil

FIRST ROUND - AUSTRALIA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): (1) Räikkönen (8th) v (16) Sutil (DNF)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): (2) Hamilton (1st) v (15) Sato (DNF)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): (3) Alonso (4th) v (14) Button (DNF)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): (4) Massa (DNF, 29 laps) v (13) Vettel (DNF, 0 laps)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): (5) Heidfeld (2nd) v (12) Trulli (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): (6) Kubica (DNF, 47 laps) v (11) Webber (DNF, 0 laps)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): (7) Kovalainen (5th) v (10) Coulthard (DNF)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): (8) Fisichella (DNF) v (9) Rosberg (3rd)

QUARTER FINALS - MALAYSIA
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Räikkönen (1st) v Rosberg (14th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Hamilton (5th) v Kovalainen (3rd)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Alonso (8th) v Kubica (2nd)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Massa (DNF) v Heidfeld (6th)

SEMI FINALS - BAHRAIN
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Räikkönen (2nd) v Heidfeld (4th)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Kovalainen (5th) v Kubica (3rd)

FINAL - SPAIN
Räikkönen (1st) v Kubica (4th)

...hey, I'm enjoying this. Tell you what... two more coming before I knock off for the day!

APERTURA 2007

Seedings:
(1) F. Alonso
(NA) M. Schumacher - retired (for a while, at least)
(2) F. Massa
(3) G. Fisichella
(4) K. Räikkönen
(5) J. Button
(6) R. Barrichello
(NA) J.P. Montoya - gone off to have a sulk
(7) N. Heidfeld
(8) R. Schumacher
(NA) P. de la Rosa - was only filling in for Montoya
(9) J. Trulli
(10) D. Coulthard
(11) M. Webber
(NA) J. Villeneuve - you're fired
(12) R. Kubica
(13) N. Rosberg
(NA) C. Klien - a slow, Spanish car awaits...
(14) V. Liuzzi
--- no more points scorers, so onto the first qualifying session of the new season ---
(15) L. Hamilton - 4th in Australia, needed at least four dropouts to get onto this grid, got five...
(16) T. Sato - 10th in Australia, in a Super Aguri... but let's not forget it was last year's race-winning Honda!

FIRST ROUND - AUSTRALIA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): (1) Alonso (2nd) v (16) Sato (12th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): (2) Massa (6th) v (15) Hamilton (3rd)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): (3) Fisichella (5th) v (14) Liuzzi (14th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): (4) Räikkönen (1st) v (13) Rosberg (7th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): (5) Button (15th) v (12) Kubica (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): (6) Barrichello (11th) v (11) Webber (13th) - two Honda RA107s in the quarters!
Heat 7 (7 v 10): (7) Heidfeld (4th) v (10) Coulthard (DNF)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): (8) R. Schumacher (8th) v (9) Trulli (9th)

QUARTER FINALS - MALAYSIA
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Alonso (1st) v R. Schumacher (15th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Hamilton (2nd) v Heidfeld (4th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Fisichella (6th) v Barrichello (11th)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Räikkönen (3rd) v Button (12th)

SEMI FINALS - BAHRAIN
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Alonso (5th) v Räikkönen (3rd)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Hamilton (2nd) v Fisichella (8th)

FINAL - SPAIN
Hamilton (2nd) v Räikkönen (DNF)

...and the Ferrari fans will be ab... so... lutely... FURIOUS! as Murray Walker would say. Lewis Hamilton gets in via the qualifying in Australia having spent the previous season driving in GP2, then comes along and wins Apertura 2007...

APERTURA 2006

Seedings:
(1) F. Alonso
(2) K. Räikkönen
(3) M. Schumacher
(4) J.P. Montoya
(5) G. Fisichella
(6) R. Schumacher
(7) J. Trulli
(8) R. Barrichello
(9) J. Button
(10) M. Webber
(11) N. Heidfeld
(12) D. Coulthard
(13) F. Massa
(14) J. Villeneuve
(15) C. Klien
(16) T. Monteiro

FIRST ROUND - BAHRAIN
Heat 1 (1 v 16): (1) Alonso (1st) v (16) Monteiro (17th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): (2) Räikkönen (3rd) v Klien (8th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): (3) M. Schumacher (2nd) v (14) Villeneuve (DNF)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): (4) Montoya (5th) v (13) Massa (9th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): (5) Fisichella (DNF) v (12) Coulthard (10th)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): (6) R. Schumacher (14th) v (11) Heidfeld (12th)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): (7) Trulli (16th) v (10) Webber (6th)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): (8) Barrichello (15th) v (9) Button (4th)

QUARTER FINALS - MALAYSIA
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Alonso (2nd) v Button (3rd)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Räikkönen (DNF, 0 laps) v Webber (DNF, 15 laps)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): M. Schumacher (6th) v Heidfeld (DNF)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Montoya (4th) v Coulthard (DNF)

SEMI FINALS - AUSTRALIA
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Alonso (1st) v Montoya (DNF)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Webber (DNF, 22 laps) v M. Schumacher (DNF, 32 laps)

FINAL - SAN MARINO
M. Schumacher (1st) v Alonso (2nd) - and we all remember how close that one was!

Schumi does the jump on top of the podium. I am fairly certain this was not his first title, and 2004 and 2002 may already be foregone conclusions.

LIST OF CHAMPIONS: (with seedings for that year)
2006 - Michael Schumacher (3)
2007 - Lewis Hamilton (15)
2008 - Kimi Räikkönen (1)
2009 - Timo Glock (10)
2010 - Lewis Hamilton (5)

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 11 Mar 2011, 08:39

2005
Australia
M Schumacher (1) vs Villeneuve (16)
Sato (8) vs R Schumacher (9)
Montoya (5) vs Massa (12)
Alonso (4) vs Webber (13)
Button (3) vs Klien (14)
Trulli (6) vs Fisichella (11)
Räikkönen (7) vs Coulthard (10)
Barrichello (2) vs Heidfeld (15)

Malaysia
Villeneuve vs R Schumacher
Montoya vs Alonso
Klien vs Fisichella
Coulthard vs Barrichello

Bahrain
R Schumacher vs Alonso
Klien vs Coulthard

San Marino
Alonso vs Coulthard

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 11 Mar 2011, 13:32

I was planning to do 2005-2000 all in one go, and call it "The Schumacher Years" - only before I knocked off last night I saw 2005 wasn't going to be. For those of you who are wondering how it didn't happen for him in 2005, he retired from the first rce, and Jacques Villeneuve didn't.

I could go through 2004 if you all want, to see how it all panned out, but there's no point; Michael Schumacher won the first five races of the season, which automatically hands him the Apertura title. 2003 might not be so clear-cut, so let's see.

Seedings:
(1) M. Schumacher
(2) Barrichello
(3) Montoya
(4) R. Schumacher
(5) Coulthard
(6) Räikkönen
(7) Button
(8) Trulli
(NA) Irvine - retired to live on a boat in Monaco, probably
(9) Heidfeld
(10) Fisichella
(11) Villeneuve
(NA) Massa - testing for Ferrari
(12) Panis
(NA) Sato - not competing until the last race of the season
(13) Webber
(NA) Salo - retired after the Toyota debacle
(14) Frentzen
------ no more points scorers ------
(15) Alonso - qualified 10th in Australia
(16) da Matta - qualified 16th in Australia

FIRST ROUND - AUSTRALIA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): M. Schumacher (4th) v da Matta (DNF)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Barrichello (DNF) v Alonso (7th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Montoya (2nd) v Frentzen (6th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): R. Schumacher (8th) v Webber (DNF)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Coulthard (1st) v Panis (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Räikkönen (3rd) v Villeneuve (9th)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Button (10th) v Fisichella (12th)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Trulli (5th) v Heidfeld (DNF)

QUARTER FINALS - MALAYSIA
QF 1 (H1 v H8): M. Schumacher (6th) v Trulli (5th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Alonso (3rd) v Button (7th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Montoya (12th) v Räikkönen (1st)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): R. Schumacher (4th) v Coulthard (DNF)

SEMI FINALS - BRAZIL
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Trulli (8th) v R. Schumacher (7th)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Alonso (3rd) v Räikkönen (2nd)

FINAL - SAN MARINO
R. Schumacher (4th) v Räikkönen (2nd)

LIST OF CHAMPIONS:
2003 - Kimi Räikkönen (6)
2004 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2005 - Fernando Alonso (4)
2006 - Michael Schumacher (3)
2007 - Lewis Hamilton (15)
2008 - Kimi Räikkönen (1)
2009 - Timo Glock (10)
2010 - Lewis Hamilton (5)

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 11 Mar 2011, 14:22

APERTURA: THE SCHUMACHER YEARS (ALMOST) - continued, here's 2002.

Seedings:
(1) M. Schumacher
(2) Coulthard
(3) Barrichello
(4) R. Schumacher
(NA) Häkkinen - retired to go fishing in Finland and maybe drive DTM cars
(5) Montoya
(6) Villeneuve
(7) Heidfeld
(8) Trulli
(9) Räikkönen
(10) Fisichella
(11) Irvine
(12) Frentzen - didn't make it through the 2002 season, but was there at the first four races
(13) Panis
(NA) Alesi - disappeared to race in DTM
(14) de la Rosa
(15) Button
(NA) Verstappen - didn't get another drive until 2003
------ no more points scorers ------
(16) Massa - qualified 9th in Australia

FIRST ROUND - AUSTRALIA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): M. Schumacher (1st) v Massa (DNF)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Coulthard (DNF, 33 laps) v Button (DNF, 0 laps)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Barrichello (DNF) v de la Rosa (8th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): R. Schumacher (DNF, 0 laps, qualified 3rd) v Panis (DNF, 0 laps, qualified 12th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Montoya (2nd) v Frentzen (disq)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Villeneuve (DNF) v Irvine (4th)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Heidfeld (DNF, 0 laps, qualified 10th) v Fisichella (DNF, 0 laps, qualified 8th)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Trulli (DNF) v Räikkönen (3rd)

QUARTER FINALS - MALAYSIA
QF 1 (H1 v H8): M. Schumacher (3rd) v Räikkönen (DNF) - and from there on the title is a foregone conclusion...
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Coulthard (DNF) v Fisichella (13th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): de la Rosa (10th) v Irvine (DNF)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): R. Schumacher (1st) v Montoya (2nd)

SEMI FINALS - BRAZIL
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): M. Schumacher (1st) v R. Schumacher (2nd)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Fisichella (DNF) v de la Rosa (8th)

FINAL - SAN MARINO
M. Schumacher (1st) v de la Rosa (DNF)

2001:

Seedings:
(1) M. Schumacher
(2) Häkkinen
(3) Coulthard
(4) Barrichello
(5) R. Schumacher
(6) Fisichella
(7) Villeneuve
(8) Button
(9) Frentzen
(10) Trulli
(NA) Salo - testing Toyota's hack car
(11) Verstappen
(12) Irvine
(NA) Zonta - didn't get a chance until midway through the season
(NA) Wurz - testing for McLaren
(NA) de la Rosa - didn't get a drive until the fifth race
------ no more points scorers ------
(13) Panis - qualified 9th in Australia
(14) Heidfeld - qualified 10th
(15) Montoya - qualified 11th
(16) Räikkönen - qualified 13th

FIRST ROUND - AUSTRALIA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): M. Schumacher (1st) v Räikkönen (6th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Häkkinen (DNF, 25 laps) v [b]Montoya (DNF, 40 laps)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Coulthard (2nd) v Heidfeld (4th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Barrichello (3rd) v Panis (7th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): R. Schumacher (DNF) v Irvine (11th)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Fisichella (13th) v Verstappen (10th)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Villeneuve (DNF, 4 laps) v Trulli (DNF, 38 laps)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Button (14th) v Frentzen (5th)

QUARTER FINALS - MALAYSIA
QF 1 (H1 v H8): M. Schumacher (1st) v Frentzen (4th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Montoya (DNF) v Trulli (8th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Coulthard (3rd) v Verstappen (7th)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Barrichello (2nd) v Irvine (DNF)

SEMI FINALS - BRAZIL
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): M. Schumacher (2nd) v Barrichello (DNF)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Trulli (5th) v Coulthard (1st)

FINAL - SAN MARINO
M. Schumacher (DNF) v Coulthard (2nd)

...you're not going to like that, Michael, especially after Spa in 1998...

2000:

Seedings:
(1) Häkkinen
(2) Irvine
(3) Frentzen
(4) Coulthard
(5) M. Schumacher
(6) R. Schumacher
(7) Barrichello
(8) Herbert
(9) Fisichella
(10) Salo
(11) Trulli
(NA) Hill - long-overdue retirement to sell BMWs
(12) Wurz
(13) Diniz
(14) Alesi
(NA) Panis - testing for McLaren for a year
(15) Gené
(16) de la Rosa

FIRST ROUND - AUSTRALIA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Häkkinen (DNF, 18 laps) v de la Rosa (DNF, 6 laps)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Irvine (DNF) v Gené (8th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Frentzen (DNF, 39 laps) v Alesi (DNF, 27 laps)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Coulthard (DNF, 11 laps) v Diniz (DNF, 41 laps)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): M. Schumacher (1st) v Wurz (7th)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): R. Schumacher (3rd) v Trulli (DNF)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Barrichello (10th) v Salo (disq)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Herbert (DNF) v Fisichella (5th)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Häkkinen (DNF) v Fisichella (2nd)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Gené (DNF, 31 laps) v Barrichello (DNF, 27 laps)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Frentzen (3rd) v R. Schumacher (5th)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Diniz (withdrew) v M. Schumacher (1st)

SEMI FINALS - SAN MARINO
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Fisichella (11th) v M. Schumacher (1st) - and it's a foregone conclusion because the only two who can stop him are already knocked out
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Gené (DNF, 5 laps) v Frentzen (DNF, 4 laps) - HHF was the only man behind Gené in the classification, and so we have the most mismatched final... ever.

FINAL - BRITAIN
M. Schumacher (3rd) v Gené (14th)

LIST OF CHAMPIONS:
2000 - Michael Schumacher (5)
2001 - David Coulthard (3)
2002 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2003 - Kimi Räikkönen (6)
2004 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2005 - Fernando Alonso (4)
2006 - Michael Schumacher (3)
2007 - Lewis Hamilton (15)
2008 - Kimi Räikkönen (1)
2009 - Timo Glock (10)
2010 - Lewis Hamilton (5)

Post by **tommykl** » 11 Mar 2011, 16:30

If only Schumacher had retired in the British GP, a Minardi driver would have been World Champion in a Championship that would't consist in eliminating the best!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 11 Mar 2011, 18:00

What'll happen for 1998, since Schumacher's 2nd place in 1997 got wiped? Will he get in at the bottom if he's furthest up on the grid of those with no points for '97?

Post by **tommykl** » 11 Mar 2011, 18:49

Alright, I'll start from the beginning: 1950. For practical reasons, the Indy 500 won't be counted, and for matchups where both drivers don't enter, the next to enter a race will advance. In case their next entry is at the same race, then the results at said race will be used. Of course, quali results for the British GP have to decide who qualifies.

Seeds
1. Giuseppe Farina
2. Luigi Fagioli
3. Juan Manuel Fangio
4. Reg Parnell
5. Prince Bira
6. Yves Giraud-Cabantous
7. Eugene Martin
8. Toulo de Graffenried
9. Louis Rosier
10. Peter Walker
11. Louis Chiron
12. Leslie Johnson
13. Bob Gerard
14. Philippe Etancelin
15. Cuth Harrison
16. David Hampshire

Round of 16 - Silverstone
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Giuseppe Farina (1st) v David Hampshire (9th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Luigi Fagioli (2nd) v Cuth Harrison (7th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Juan Manuel Fangio (DNF, 62 laps) v Philippe Etancelin (8th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Reg Parnell (3rd) v Bob Gerard (6th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Prince Bira (DNF, 49 laps) v Leslie Johnson (DNF, 2 laps)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Yves Giraud-Cabantous (4th) v Louis Chiron (DNF, 24 laps)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Eugene Martin (DNF, 8 laps) v Peter Walker (DNF, 5 laps)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Toulo de Graffenried (DNF, 36 laps) v Louis Rosier (5th)

Quarterfinals - Monaco
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Giuseppe Farina (DNF, 0 laps, Q 2nd) v Louis Rosier (DNF, 0 laps, Q 10th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Luigi Fagioli (DNF, 0 laps) v Eugene Martin (did not enter)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Philippe Etancelin (DNF, 36 laps) v Yves Giraud-Cabantous (forfeit)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Reg Parnell (did not enter) v Prince Bira (5th)

Semifinals - Bremgarten
SF 1 (QF 1 v QF 4): Giuseppe Farina (1st) v Prince Bira (4th)
SF 2 (QF 2 v QF 3): Luigi Fagioli (2nd) v Philippe Etancelin (DNF, 25 laps)

Final - Spa
Giuseppe Farina (4th) v Luigi Fagioli (2nd)

consistency is key in this championship, and it showed with Fagioli taking the first ever Apertura!

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 11 Mar 2011, 19:00

James1978 wrote:What'll happen for 1998, since Schumacher's 2nd place in 1997 got wiped? Will he get in at the bottom if he's furthest up on the grid of those with no points for '97?

Best thing to do is try it with Schumacher in his original place and then without. One hour to dinner... I will fill some time that way.

Incidentally, Nigel Mansell is automatically the 1992 Apertura champion, having won the first five races that season. And there should be one or two in the 1950s that also work out that way with Ascari's blinding performances.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 11 Mar 2011, 19:14

Senna would have won the 1991 Apertura aswell.

The Ultimate question is what do you do for the 1994 season? Give the trophy to Senna Posthumously despite him being knocked out in the Round of 16?

Post by **tommykl** » 11 Mar 2011, 19:14

dinizintheoven wrote:
James1978 wrote:What'll happen for 1998, since Schumacher's 2nd place in 1997 got wiped? Will he get in at the bottom if he's furthest up on the grid of those with no points for '97?

Best thing to do is try it with Schumacher in his original place and then without. One hour to dinner... I will fill some time that way.

Incidentally, Nigel Mansell is automatically the 1992 Apertura champion, having won the first five races that season. And there should be one or two in the 1950s that also work out that way with Ascari's blinding performances.

Actually, when I think about it, Ascari couldn't win 1952, as he skipped the Swiss GP to concentrate on Indianapolis...

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 11 Mar 2011, 19:16

James1978 wrote:What'll happen for 1998, since Schumacher's 2nd place in 1997 got wiped? Will he get in at the bottom if he's furthest up on the grid of those with no points for '97?

He doesnt count, his disqualification should be treated the same way as a driver retirement or inability to take part due to injury.
Even if you included him he wouldnt have got past the round of 16 anyway, his engine went in Melbourne...

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 11 Mar 2011, 19:47

So we had a ruling while I was writing this post. I'll keep it as it is, but show how both 1998 championships would have worked out.

APERTURA 1999

Seedings:
(1) Häkkinen
(2) M. Schumacher
(3) Coulthard
(4) Irvine
(5) Villeneuve
(6) Hill
(7) Frentzen
(8) Wurz
(9) Fisichella
(10) R. Schumacher
(11) Alesi
(12) Barrichello
(NA) Salo - not present at first three races
(13) Diniz
(14) Herbert
(15) Trulli
(NA) Magnussen - rødgrød med fløde
------ no more points scorers ------
(16) Zanardi - qualified 15th in Australia

FIRST ROUND - AUSTRALIA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Häkkinen (DNF, 21 laps) v Zanardi (DNF, 20 laps) - that was close!
Heat 2 (2 v 15): M. Schumacher (8th) v Trulli (DNF)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Coulthard (DNF) v Herbert (DNS)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Irvine (1st) v Diniz (DNF)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Villeneuve (DNF) v Barrichello (5th)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Hill (DNF, 0 laps, qualified 9th) v Alesi (DNF, 0 laps, qualified 16th)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Frentzen (2nd) v R. Schumacher (3rd)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Wurz (DNF) v Fisichella (4th)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Häkkinen (1st) v Fisichella (DNF)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): M. Schumacher (2nd) v R. Schumacher (4th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Coulthard (DNF, 22 laps) v Hill (DNF, 10 laps)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Irvine (5th) v Barrichello (DNF)

SEMI FINALS - SAN MARINO
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Häkkinen (DNF, 17 laps) v Irvine (DNF, 46 laps)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): M. Schumacher (1st) v Coulthard (2nd)

FINAL - Monaco
Irvine (2nd) v M. Schumacher (1st)

"Know your place, Eddie!" says the Red Baron.

APERTURA 1998 (with M. Schumacher disqualified from 1997)

Seedings:
(1) Villeneuve
(2) Frentzen
(3) Coulthard
(4) Alesi
(NA) Berger - retired at end of 1997
(5) Häkkinen
(6) Irvine
(7) Fisichella
(8) Panis
(9) Herbert
(10) R. Schumacher
(11) Hill
(12) Barrichello
(13) Wurz
(14) Trulli
(15) Diniz
(16) Salo

...so Schumi senior does *not* get in if his disqualification from 1997 stands. This should make things interesting. But will it affect the overall result?

FIRST ROUND - AUSTRALIA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Villeneuve (5th) v Salo (DNF)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Frentzen (3rd) v Diniz (DNF)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Coulthard (2nd) v Trulli (DNF)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Alesi (DNF) v Wurz (7th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Häkkinen (1st) v Barrichello (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Irvine (4th) v Hill (8th)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Fisichella (DNF, 43 laps) v R. Schumacher (DNF, 1 lap)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Panis (9th) v Herbert (6th)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Villeneuve (7th) v Herbert (11th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Frentzen (5th) v Fisichella (6th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Coulthard (2nd) v Irvine (8th)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Wurz (4th) v Häkkinen (1st)

SEMI FINALS - ARGENTINA
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Villeneuve (DNF) v Häkkinen (2nd)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Frentzen (9th) v Coulthard (6th)

FINAL - SAN MARINO
Coulthard (1st) v Häkkinen (DNF)

Now let's take a look at it if we include Schumi in second place in the seedings... Mika Salo misses out.
(1) Villeneuve
(2) M. Schumacher
(3) Frentzen
(4) Coulthard
(5) Alesi
(NA) Berger - retired at end of 1997
(6) Häkkinen
(7) Irvine
(8) Fisichella
(9) Panis
(10) Herbert
(11) R. Schumacher
(12) Hill
(13) Barrichello
(14) Wurz
(15) Trulli
(16) Diniz

...so Schumi senior does *not* get in if his disqualification from 1997 stands. This should make things interesting. But will it affect the overall result?

FIRST ROUND - AUSTRALIA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Villeneuve (5th) v Diniz (DNF)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): M. Schumacher (DNF, 5 laps) v Trulli (DNF, 26 laps) - so at least we know Schumi won't be winning.
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Frentzen (3rd) v Wurz (7th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Coulthard (2nd) v Barrichello (DNF)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Alesi (DNF) v Hill (8th)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Häkkinen (1st) v R. Schumacher (DNF)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Irvine (4th) v Herbert (6th)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Fisichella (DNF) v Panis (9th)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Villeneuve (7th) v Panis (DNF)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Trulli (DNF) v Irvine (8th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Frentzen (5th) v Häkkinen (1st)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Coulthard (2nd) v Hill (disq)

SEMI FINALS - ARGENTINA
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Villeneuve (DNF) v Coulthard (6th)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Frentzen (9th) v Häkkinen (2nd)

FINAL - SAN MARINO
Häkkinen (DNF) v Coulthard (1st)

So the result is the same - all that changes is David Coulthard's seeding, according to whether Michael Schumacher is allowed to participate or not. ANd we have had the ruling, which means Coulthard was the third seed for the season.

LIST OF CHAMPIONS:
1950 - Luigi Fagioli (2)
...
1991 - Ayrton Senna (1)
1992 - Nigel Mansell (2)
...
1998 - David Coulthard (3)
1999 - Michael Schumacher (2)
2000 - Michael Schumacher (5)
2001 - David Coulthard (3)
2002 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2003 - Kimi Räikkönen (6)
2004 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2005 - Fernando Alonso (4)
2006 - Michael Schumacher (3)
2007 - Lewis Hamilton (15)
2008 - Kimi Räikkönen (1)
2009 - Timo Glock (10)
2010 - Lewis Hamilton (5)

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 11 Mar 2011, 19:51

ADx_Wales wrote:Senna would have won the 1991 Apertura aswell.

Noted.

The Ultimate question is what do you do for the 1994 season? Give the trophy to Senna Posthumously despite him being knocked out in the Round of 16?

...if he's knocked out, so be it... he didn't get posthumous points for his retirements at Interlagos and Aida. I suppose it's worth working it out with him in the seeds and without, but the result should stand with him in, I'd say.

He doesnt count, his disqualification should be treated the same way as a driver retirement or inability to take part due to injury.
Even if you included him he wouldnt have got past the round of 16 anyway, his engine went in Melbourne...

But, it was close... sort of. I worked it out and he was up against Jarno Trulli, who also scored a DNF... look how Marc Gené got into the 2000 final!

EDIT: dinner calls, but I had time to do one more.

APERTURA 1997 - bathplugged

Seedings:
(1) Hill
(2) Villeneuve
(3) M. Schumacher
(4) Alesi
(5) Häkkinen
(6) Berger
(7) Coulthard
(8) Barrichello
(9) Panis
(10) Irvine
(NA) Brundle - chinwagging with Murray Walker
(11) Frentzen
(12) Salo
(13) Herbert
(14) Diniz
(NA) Verstappen - on one of his years off...
------ no more points scorers ------
(15) Larini - qualified 13th in Australia
(16) Katayama - qualified 15th in AUstralia (in a Minardi)

FIRST ROUND - AUSTRALIA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Hill (DNS) v Katayama (DNF, 32 laps)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Villeneuve (DNF) v Larini (6th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): M. Schumacher (2nd) v Diniz (10th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Alesi (DNF, 34 laps) v Herbert (DNF, 0 laps)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Häkkinen (3rd) v Salo (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Berger (4th) v Frentzen (8th)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Coulthard (1st) v Irvine (DNF)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Barrichello (DNF) v Panis (5th)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Katayama (18th) v Panis (3rd)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Larini (11th) v Coulthard (10th) - that was close!
QF 3 (H3 v H6): M. Schumacher (5th) v Berger (2nd)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Alesi (6th) v Häkkinen (4th)

SEMI FINALS - ARGENTINA
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Panis (DNF) v Häkkinen (5th)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Coulthard (DNF) v Berger (6th)

FINAL - SAN MARINO
Häkkinen (5th) v Berger (6th)

LIST OF CHAMPIONS:
1950 - Luigi Fagioli (2)
...
1991 - Ayrton Senna (1)
1992 - Nigel Mansell (2)
...
1997 - Mika Häkkinen (5)
1998 - David Coulthard (3)
1999 - Michael Schumacher (2)
2000 - Michael Schumacher (5)
2001 - David Coulthard (3)
2002 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2003 - Kimi Räikkönen (6)
2004 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2005 - Fernando Alonso (4)
2006 - Michael Schumacher (3)
2007 - Lewis Hamilton (15)
2008 - Kimi Räikkönen (1)
2009 - Timo Glock (10)
2010 - Lewis Hamilton (5)

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 11 Mar 2011, 20:20

dinizintheoven wrote:(NA) Verstappen - on one of his years off...

Jos was at Tyrrell surely....you've mistaken that for 1998, when he did half a season...

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 11 Mar 2011, 22:38

ADx_Wales wrote:Jos was at Tyrrell surely....you've mistaken that for 1998, when he did half a season...

I was doing this rather quickly. And I now see I was looking at the wrong column in the Häkkinen/Berger showdown. Here comes the fixed version...

APERTURA 1997 - un-bathplugged, given a treatment with a plunger and Mr. Muscle's extra-strong drain unblocker

Seedings:
(1) Hill
(2) Villeneuve
(3) M. Schumacher
(4) Alesi
(5) Häkkinen
(6) Berger
(7) Coulthard
(8) Barrichello
(9) Panis
(10) Irvine
(NA) Brundle - chinwagging with Murray Walker
(11) Frentzen
(12) Salo
(13) Herbert
(14) Diniz
(15) Verstappen
------ no more points scorers ------
(16) Larini - qualified 13th in Australia

FIRST ROUND - AUSTRALIA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Hill (DNS) v Larini (6th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Villeneuve (DNF, 0 laps) v Verstappen (DNF, 2 laps)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): M. Schumacher (2nd) v Diniz (10th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Alesi (DNF, 34 laps) v Herbert (DNF, 0 laps)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Häkkinen (3rd) v Salo (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Berger (4th) v Frentzen (8th)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Coulthard (1st) v Irvine (DNF)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Barrichello (DNF) v Panis (5th)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Larini (11th) v Panis (3rd)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Verstappen (15th) v Coulthard (10th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): M. Schumacher (5th) v Berger (2nd)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Alesi (6th) v Häkkinen (4th)

SEMI FINALS - ARGENTINA
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Panis (DNF) v Häkkinen (5th)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Coulthard (DNF) v Berger (6th)

FINAL - SAN MARINO
Häkkinen (6th) v Berger (DNF)

...so, actually, neither hideous mistake affected the result. I will be more careful with the next few.

LIST OF CHAMPIONS:
1950 - Luigi Fagioli (2)
...
1991 - Ayrton Senna (1)
1992 - Nigel Mansell (2)
...
1997 - Mika Häkkinen (5)
1998 - David Coulthard (3)
1999 - Michael Schumacher (2)
2000 - Michael Schumacher (5)
2001 - David Coulthard (3)
2002 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2003 - Kimi Räikkönen (6)
2004 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2005 - Fernando Alonso (4)
2006 - Michael Schumacher (3)
2007 - Lewis Hamilton (15)
2008 - Kimi Räikkönen (1)
2009 - Timo Glock (10)
2010 - Lewis Hamilton (5)

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 11 Mar 2011, 23:23

1987

1 Alain Prost (McLaren)
2 Nigel Mansell (Williams)
3 Nelson Piquet (Williams)
4 Ayrton Senna (Lotus)
5 Stefan Johansson (McLaren)
- Keke Rosberg (Retired and still smoking)
6 Gerhard Berger (Ferrari)
- Jacques Laffitte (Retired and putting his legs back together)
7 Michele Alboreto (Ferrari)
- Rene Arnoux (Ligier didnt have an engine to take to round 1thanks to this lunatic)
8 Martin Brundle (Zakspeed)
- Alan Jones (Getting Fatter)
- Johnny Dumfries (Getting Richer)
9 Phillipe Streiff (Tyrrell)
- Patrick Tambay (Retired)
10 Teo Fabi (Benetton)
11 Riccardo Patrese (Brabbham)
12 Christian Danner (Zakspeed)
-Phillipe Alliot (Larrouse Lola didnt take part in round 1)
-----No More Points Finishers-----
13 Derek Warwick (Arrows) 8th in R1 Qual
14 Satoru Nakajima (Lotus) 13th
15 Andrea De Cesaris (Brabham) 14th
16 Eddie Cheever (Arrows) 15th

Round of 16 - Rio

Pool 1 (Seeds 1, 8, 9, 16)
Prost (1) bt Cheever (16)
Streiff (9) bt Brundle (8)

Pool 2 (Seeds 4, 5, 12, 13)
Senna (4) bt Warwick (13)
Johansson (5) bt Danner (12)

Pool 3 (Seeds 2,6, 11, 15)
Mansell (2) bt De Cesaris (15)
Berger (6) bt Patrese (11)

Pool 4 (3, 7, 10, 14)
Piquet (3) bt Nakajima (14)
Alboreto (7) bt Fabi (10)

Quarter Finals - San Marino

Pool 1
Streiff (9) bt Prost (1)
Prost retires and all Phillipe had to do was finish the race...

Pool 2
Senna (4) bt Johansson (5)

Pool 3
Mansell (2) bt Berger (6)

Pool 4
Alboreto (7) Piquet (3)
Piquet heavily crashes in the days leading up to the grand prix, all Albo had to do was a mere qualifying lap, he ended up getting 3rd place in the race itself

Semi Finals - Spa

Pools 1 & 2
Streiff (9) bt Senna (4)
After nearly getting torpedoed by his teammate at the start of the race, Streiff gets even more good fortune when Senna and Mansell collide, forcing the brazilian out of the race.

Pools 3&4
Mansell (3) bt Alboreto (7)
Mansell continued until lap 17, but Michele retired even earlier.

Final - Monaco (Where Better to have a grand finale)
Mansell (3) bt Streiff (9)

Very anticlimactic...Streiff out on lap 9, Mansell out on lap 21...

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 12 Mar 2011, 00:11

APERTURA 1996

Seedings:
(1) Schumacher
(2) Hill
(3) Coulthard
(4) Herbert
(5) Alesi
(6) Berger
(7) Häkkinen
(8) Panis
(9) Frentzen
(NA) Blundell - gone Stateside
(10) Barrichello
(11) Irvine
(12) Brundle
(NA) Morbidelli - didn't return until mid-1997
(13) Salo
(NA) Boullion - good riddance
(NA) Suzuki - though we'd see him again one day
(14) Lamy
------ no more points scorers ------
(15) Villeneuve - pole in Australia
(16) Verstappen - qualified 12th

FIRST ROUND - AUSTRALIA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Schumacher (DNF, 32 laps) v Verstappen (DNF, 12 laps)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Hill (1st) v Villeneuve (2nd)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Coulthard (DNF, 24 laps) v Lamy (DNF, 42 laps)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Herbert (DNF) v Salo (6th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Alesi (DNF, 9 laps) v Brundle (DNF, 1 lap)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Berger (4th) v Irvine (3rd)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Häkkinen (5th) v Barrichello (DNF)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Panis (7th) v Frentzen (8th)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Schumacher (3rd) v Panis (6th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Hill (1st) v Häkkinen (4th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Lamy (10th) v Irvine (7th)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Salo (5th) v Alesi (2nd)

SEMI FINALS - ARGENTINA
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Schumacher (DNF) v Alesi (3rd)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Hill (1st) v Irvine (5th)

FINAL - EUROPE (well, Germany, really)
Hill (4th) v Alesi (DNF)

APERTURA 1995

Seedings:
(1) Schumacher
(2) Hill
(3) Berger
(4) Häkkinen
(5) Alesi
(6) Barrichello
(NA) Brundle - place taken by Suzuki for the first three races of 1995
(7) Coulthard
(NA) Mansell - what do you mean you can't fit in the car? Back to the golf course with you
(8) Verstappen - he made the first four races, after all...
(9) Panis
(10) Blundell - there to take Nige's place, but has a problem if he makes it past the first two rounds...
(11) Frentzen
(NA) Larini - racing tin-tops, wasn't he?
(NA) Fittipaldi - gone to America
(12) Irvine
(13) Katayama
(NA) Bernard - oublié
(14) Wendlinger - made the first four races
(NA) de Crasheris - crashed one time too many
(15) Martini
(16) Morbidelli

FIRST ROUND - BRAZIL
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Schumacher (1st) v Morbidelli (DNF)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Hill (DNF, 30 laps) v Martini (DNF, 0 laps)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Berger (3rd) v Wendlinger (DNF)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Häkkinen (4th) v Katayama (DNF)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Alesi (5th) v Irvine (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Barrichello (DNF, 16 laps) v Frentzen (DNF, 10 laps)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Coulthard (2nd) v Blundell (6th) - that solves that problem, then
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Verstappen (DNF, 16 laps) v Panis (DNF, 0 laps)

QUARTER FINALS - ARGENTINA
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Schumacher (3rd) v Verstappen (DNF)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Hill (1st) v Coulthard (DNF)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Berger (6th) v Barrichello (DNF)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Häkkinen (DNF) v Alesi (2nd)

SEMI FINALS - SAN MARINO
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Schumacher (DNF) v Alesi (2nd)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Hill (1st) v Berger (3rd)

FINAL - SPAIN
Alesi (DNF) v Hill (4th)

APERTURA 1994

...what's the point? Michael Schumacher won the first four races, which gives him the title straight away, irrespective of the fate of Saint Senna. Classified 4th in the 1993 championship, Prost retired which seeded him 3rd.

APERTURA 1993

Seedings:
(NA) Mansell - off to America
(1) Patrese
(2) Schumacher
(3) Senna
(4) Berger
(5) Brundle
(6) Alesi
(NA) Häkkinen - testing for McLaren
(7) de Cesaris
(8) Alboreto
(9) Comas
(10) Wendlinger
(11) Capelli - made the first two races, at least
(NA) Boutsen - Capelli's replacement, so he was sitting out until Brazil. I think that secures Professor Prost's place on the 1993 Apertura grid...
(12) Herbert
(NA) Martini - missed the start of the season for being a naughty boy and driving for a rival team
(NA) Modena - never seen again in F1 after the 1992 Jordan debacle
(13) Fittipaldi
(NA) Gachot
------ no more drivers scored points in 1992 ------
(14) Prost - pole in South Africa
(15) Hill - qualified 4th
(16) Lehto - qualified 6th

FIRST ROUND - SOUTH AFRICA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Patrese (DNF) v Lehto (5th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Schumacher (DNF, 39 laps) v Hill (DNF, 16 laps)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Senna (2nd) v Prost (1st) - and there's a fight in the paddock
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Berger (6th) v Fittipaldi (4th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Brundle (DNF, 57 laps) v Herbert (DNF, 38 laps)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Alesi (DNF, 30 laps) v Capelli (DNF, 2 laps)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): de Cesaris (DNF, 0 laps) v Wendlinger (DNF, 33 laps)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): [b]Alboreto (DNF, 55 laps) v Comas (DNF, 51 laps)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Lehto (DNF) v Alboreto (11th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Schumacher (3rd) v Wendlinger (DNF)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Prost (DNF) v Alesi (8th)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Fittipaldi (DNF, 28 laps) v Brundle (DNF, 0 laps)

SEMI FINALS - EUROPE (i.e. Donington Park!)
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Alboreto (11th) v Fittipaldi (7th)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Schumacher (DNF, 22 laps) v Alesi (DNF, 36 laps)

FINAL - San Marino
Fittipaldi (DNF, 36 laps) v Alesi (DNF, 40 laps)

...and I'll bet nobody saw 1993 turning out this way!

LIST OF CHAMPIONS:
1950 - Luigi Fagioli (2)
...
1987 - Nigel Mansell (2)
...
1991 - Ayrton Senna (1)
1992 - Nigel Mansell (2)
1993 - Jean Alesi (6)
1994 - Michael Schumacher (3)
1995 - Damon Hill (2)
1996 - Damon Hill (2)
1997 - Mika Häkkinen (5)
1998 - David Coulthard (3)
1999 - Michael Schumacher (2)
2000 - Michael Schumacher (5)
2001 - David Coulthard (3)
2002 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2003 - Kimi Räikkönen (6)
2004 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2005 - Fernando Alonso (4)
2006 - Michael Schumacher (3)
2007 - Lewis Hamilton (15)
2008 - Kimi Räikkönen (1)
2009 - Timo Glock (10)
2010 - Lewis Hamilton (5)

Right, I suppose I'd better fill in 1988-90 now.

EDIT: Prost is the 1988 champion. With Senna disqualified in the first round, he's out. Prost won rounds 1, 3 and 4, and was second in round 2... to Senna, so he cannot be beaten. Prost was seeded 4th for the 1988 Apertura.

So I'll do 1989 and 1990.

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 12 Mar 2011, 00:43

APERTURA 1989

Seedings:
(1) Senna
(2) Prost
(3) Berger
(4) Boutsen
(5) Alboreto
(6) Piquet
(7) Capelli
(8) Warwick
(9) Mansell
(10) Nannini
(11) Patrese
(12) Cheever
(13) Gugelmin
(14) Palmer
(15) de Cesaris
(16) Nakajima

FIRST ROUND - BRAZIL
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Senna (11th) v Nakajima (8th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Prost (2nd) v de Cesaris (13th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Berger (DNF) v Palmer (7th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Boutsen (DNF) v Gugelmin (3rd)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Alboreto (10th) v Cheever (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Piquet (DNF, 10 laps) v Patrese (DNF, 51 laps)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Capelli (DNF) v Nannini (6th)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Warwick (5th) v Mansell (1st)

QUARTER FINALS - SAN MARINO
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Nakajima (DNF, 46 laps) v Mansell (DNF, 23 laps)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Prost (2nd) v Nannini (3rd)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Palmer (6th) v Patrese (DNF)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Gugelmin (DNF) v Alboreto (DNQ)

SEMI FINALS - MONACO
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Nakajima (DNQ) v Gugelmin (DNF)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Prost (2nd) v Palmer (9th)

FINAL - MEXICO
Prost (5th) v Gugelmin (DNQ) - so it was all over before the race even started!

APERTURA 1990

Seedings:
(1) Prost
(2) Senna
(3) Patrese
(4) Mansell
(5) Boutsen
(6) Nannini
(7) Berger
(8) Piquet
(9) Alesi
(10) Warwick
(NA) Cheever - gone back to America
(11) Johansson - managed to turn up for two races
(12) Alboreto
(NA) Herbert - wouldn't arrive until the end of the season
(13) Martini
(14) Gugelmin
(15) de Cesaris
(16) Modena

FIRST ROUND - UNITED STATES
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Prost (DNF) v Modena (5th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Senna (1st) v de Cesaris (DNF)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Patrese (9th) v Gugelmin (14th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Mansell (DNF) v Martini (7th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Boutsen (3rd) v Alboreto (10th)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Nannini (11th) v Johansson (DNQ)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Berger (DNF, 44 laps) v Warwick (DNF, 6 laps)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Piquet (4th) v Alesi (2nd)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Modena (DNF) v Alesi (7th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Senna (3rd) v Berger (2nd)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Patrese (13th) v Nannini (10th)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Martini (9th) v Boutsen (5th)

SEMI FINALS - SAN MARINO
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Alesi (6th) v Boutsen (DNF)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Berger (2nd) v Nannini (3rd)

FINAL - MONACO
Alesi (2nd) v Berger (3rd)

Alesi wins... in a Tyrrell!

LIST OF CHAMPIONS:
1950 - Luigi Fagioli (2)
...
1987 - Nigel Mansell (2)
1988 - Alain Prost (4)
1989 - Alain Prost (2)
1990 - Jean Alesi (9)
1991 - Ayrton Senna (1)
1992 - Nigel Mansell (2)
1993 - Jean Alesi (6)
1994 - Michael Schumacher (3)
1995 - Damon Hill (2)
1996 - Damon Hill (2)
1997 - Mika Häkkinen (5)
1998 - David Coulthard (3)
1999 - Michael Schumacher (2)
2000 - Michael Schumacher (5)
2001 - David Coulthard (3)
2002 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2003 - Kimi Räikkönen (6)
2004 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2005 - Fernando Alonso (4)
2006 - Michael Schumacher (3)
2007 - Lewis Hamilton (15)
2008 - Kimi Räikkönen (1)
2009 - Timo Glock (10)
2010 - Lewis Hamilton (5)

Post by **tommykl** » 12 Mar 2011, 09:06

Alright. I've deemed that, to be eligible, a driver must have entered at least two of the four rounds, excluding the Indy 500, whose drivers will not be eligible.

1951 Apertura

Seeds
1. Giuseppe Farina
2. Juan Manuel Fangio
-. Luigi Fagioli (only entered in France)
3. Louis Rosier
4. Alberto Ascari
-. Prince Bira (only entered in Spain, not even part of the Apertura)
5. Peter Whitehead
6. Louis Chiron
7. Reg Parnell
-. Dorino Serafini (retired)
8. Yves Giraud-Cabantous
-. Raymond Sommer (deceased)
-. Robert Manzon (only entered in France and the last three races, not part of the Apertura)
9. Philippe Etancelin
-. Felice Bonetto (only entered the last four races, one of them in the Apertura)
-. Eugene Chaboud (only entered in France)
-----no more points finishers-----
10. Luigi Villoresi (Q 3)
11. Consalvo Sanesi (Q 4)
12. Toulo de Graffenried (Q 5)
13. Piero Taruffi (Q 6)
14. Jose Froilan-Gonzalez (Q 13)
15. Harry Schell (Q 17)
16. Johnny Claes (Q 18)

Round of 16 - Bremgarten
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Giuseppe Farina (3rd) v Johnny Claes (13th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Juan Manuel Fangio (1st) v Harry Schell (12th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Louis Rosier (9th) v Jose Froilan Gonzalez (DNF, 10 laps)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Alberto Ascari (6th) v Piero Taruffi (2nd)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Peter Whitehead (DNF, 36 laps) v Toulo de Graffenried (5th)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Louis Chiron (7th) v Consalvo Sanesi (4th)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Reg Parnell (dis not enter) v Luigi Villoresi (DNF, 12 laps)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Yves Giraud-Cabantous (DNF, 14 laps) v Philippe Etancelin (10th)

Quarterfinals - Spa
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Giuseppe Farina (1st) v Philippe Etancelin (DNF, 0 laps)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Juan Manuel Fangio (9th) v Luigi Villoresi (3rd)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Louis Rosier (4th) v Consalvo Sanesi (DNF, 11 laps)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Piero Taruffi (DNF, 8 laps) v Toulo de Graffenried (did not enter)

Semifinals - Reims
SF 1 (QF 1 v QF 4): Giuseppe Farina (5th) v Piero Taruffi (ill)
SF 2 (QF 2 v QF 3): Luigi Villoresi (3rd) v Louis Rosier (DNF, 43 laps)

Final - Silverstone
Giuseppe Farina (DNF, 75 laps) v Luigi Villoresi (3rd)

Another surprise champion, and this one never won a race in his F1 career!

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 12 Mar 2011, 12:47

Wanted to go through one of the most fascinating seasons: 1982!

Seedings
1 Piquet
2 Reutemann
3 Laffite
4 Prost
5 Watson
6 Villeneuve
7 de Angelis
8 Arnoux
9 Patrese
10 Cheever
11 Pironi
12 Mansell
13 Giacomelli
14 de Cesaris
15 Borgudd
16 Salazar

Indeed, it was 16 drivers who scored points in 1981 entering first race, so Keke Rosberg is not part of title hunt:
Piquet (DNF) vs Salazar (9th)
Reutemann (2nd) vs Borgudd (16th)
Laffite (DNF) vs de Cesaris (13th)
Prost (1st) vs Giacomelli (11th)
Watson (6th) vs Mansell (DNF)
Villeneuve (DNF) vs Pironi (18th)
de Angelis (8th) vs Cheever (DNF)
Arnoux (3rd) vs Patrese (DNF)

Salazar (DNF, 38 laps) vs Arnoux (DNF, 21 laps)
Reutemann (DNF, 21 laps) vs de Angelis (DNF, 21 laps) Reutemann better placed on previous lap.
de Cesaris (DNF) vs Pironi (6th)
Prost (1st) vs Watson (2nd)

Salazar (DNF, 3 laps) vs Prost (DNF, 10 laps)
Reutemann (retired) vs Pironi (DNF, 6 laps)

Prost (DNF, 6 laps) vs Pironi (1st)

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 12 Mar 2011, 13:30

tommykl wrote:Alright. I've deemed that, to be eligible, a driver must have entered at least two of the four rounds, excluding the Indy 500, whose drivers will not be eligible.

Alles klar. I don't think that affects any that I've worked out, or Bleu's two efforts either. And with Bleu having done 1982, there are some gaps. Better get filling them in, then!

16. Johnny Claes (Q 18)

Go, Jonnny, go, go!

Heat 1 (1 v 16): Giuseppe Farina (3rd) v Johnny Claes (13th)

...never mind.

Final - Silverstone
Giuseppe Farina (DNF, 75 laps) v Luigi Villoresi (3rd)
Another surprise champion, and this one never won a race in his F1 career!

See also Timo Glock in 2009, who won't be changing that statistic this coming year.

Right! Aperturi 1983-86 coming right up! 1983 could be a tricky year with all the turmoil that the 1982 season brought...

Post by **tommykl** » 12 Mar 2011, 14:09

1952 Apertura

Seeds
-. Juan Manuel Fangio (injured)
1. Alberto Ascari
-. Jose Froilan Gonzalez (only entered in Italy)
2. Giuseppe Farina
-. Luigi Villoresi (only entered in the Netherlands and Italy)
3. Piero Taruffi
-. Felice Bonetto (only entered in Germany and Italy)
-. Reg Parnell (only entered in Great Britain)
-. Luigi Fagioli (retired/deceased)
-. Consalvo Sanesi (retired)
4. Louis Rosier
5. Toulo de Graffenried
-. Yves Giraud-Cabantous (only entered in France)
-----no more points scorers-----
6. Robert Manzon (Q 3)
7. Rudi Fischer (Q 5)
8. Peter Collins (Q 6)
9. Jean Behra (Q 7)
10. Stirling Moss (Q 9)
11. Prince Bira (Q 11)
12. Lance Macklin (Q 12)
13. Ken Wharton (Q 13)
14. Alan Brown (Q 15)
15. Eric Brandon (Q 17)
16. Harry Schell (Q 18)

Round of 16 - Bremgarten
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Alberto Ascari (did not enter) v Harry Schell (DNF, 31 laps)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Giuseppe Farina (DNF, 45 laps) v Eric Brandon (8th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Piero Taruffi (1st) v Alan Brown (5th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Louis Rosier (DNF, 2 laps) v Ken Wharton (4th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Toulo de Graffenried (6th) v Lance Macklin (DNF, 24 laps)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Robert Manzon (DNF, 20 laps) v Prince Bira (DNF, 52 laps)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Rudi Fischer (2nd) v Stirling Moss (DNF, 24 laps)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Peter Collins (DNF, 12 laps) v Jean Behra (3rd)

Quarterfinals - Spa
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Harry Schell (did not enter) v Jean Behra (DNF, 13 laps)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Eric Brandon (9th) v Rudi Fischer (did not enter)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Piero Taruffi (DNF, 13 laps) v Prince Bira (10th)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Ken Wharton (DNF, 10 laps) v Toulo de Graffenried (did not enter)

Semifinals - Rouen
SF 1 (QF 1 v QF 4): Jean Behra (7th) v Ken Wharton (did not enter)
SF 2 (QF 2 v QF 3): Eric Brandon (did not enter) v Prince Bira (DNF, 56 laps)

Final - Silverstone
Jean Behra (did not enter) v Prince Bira (11th)

Now, this one teaches you that, while you can still count if you enter two rounds, it's better to enter all four, and be reliable. The British GP was Bira's last for the season. He was officially classified in 46th position, between Jan Flinterman and Louis Rosier.

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 12 Mar 2011, 14:34

I knew the 50s would throw up some odd results. And the 80s are doing the same. Read on!

APERTURA 1983

Seedings:
(1) Rosberg
(NA) Pironi - legs smashed
(2) Watson
(3) Prost
(4) Lauda
(5) Arnoux
(6) Tambay
(7) Alboreto
(8) de Angelis
(9) Patrese
(10) Piquet
(11) Cheever
(NA) Daly - disappeared, so he has
(12) Mansell
(NA) Villeneuve - in Valhalla
(NA) Reutemann - in Argentina
(13) de Cesaris
(14) Laffitte
(NA) Andretti - returned to America
(15) Jarier
(16) Surer

FIRST ROUND - BRAZIL
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Rosberg (disq) v Surer (6th) - and Rosberg originally finished in 2nd...
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Watson (DNF, 34 laps) v Jarier (DNF, 25 laps)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Prost (7th) v Laffitte (4th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Lauda (3rd) v de Cesaris (DNQ)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Arnoux (10th) v Mansell (12th)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Tambay (5th) v Cheever (DNF)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Alboreto (DNF) v Piquet (1st)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): de Angelis (disq) v Patrese (DNF) - de Angelis originally finished 13th

QUARTER FINALS - USA WEST (Long Beach)
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Surer (5th) v Patrese (10th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Watson (1st) v Piquet (DNF)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Laffitte (4th) v Tambay (DNF)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Lauda (2nd) v Arnoux (3rd)

SEMI FINALS - FRANCE
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Surer (10th) v Lauda (DNF)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Watson (DNF) v Laffitte (6th)

FINAL - SAN MARINO
Surer (6th) v Laffitte (7th)

Nobody saw that coming, did they? Strange things can happen. Marc Surer, 16th seed, wins in an Arrows.

APERTURA 1984

Tyrrell were disqualified from the entire season, no neither Brundle nor Bellof can compete in the 1985 Apertura. Neither of them were driving in 1983.

Seedings:
(1) Piquet
(2) Prost
(3) Arnoux
(4) Tambay
(5) Rosberg
(NA) Watson - off to do sports cars
(6) Cheever
(7) de Cesaris
(8) Patrese
(9) Lauda
(10) Laffitte
(11) Alboreto
(12) Mansell
(13) Warwick
(14) Surer
(15) Baldi
(NA) Sullivan - went back to America
(16) de Angelis

FIRST ROUND - BRAZIL
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Piquet (DNF) v de Angelis (3rd)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Prost (1st) v Baldi (DNF)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Arnoux (DNF) v Surer (7th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Tambay (5th) v Warwick (DNF)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Rosberg (2nd) v Mansell (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Cheever (4th) v Alboreto (DNF)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): de Cesaris (DNF, 42 laps) v Laffitte (DNF, 15 laps)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Patrese (DNF, 41 laps) v Lauda (DNF, 38 laps)

QUARTER FINALS - SOUTH AFRICA
QF 1 (H1 v H8): de Angelis (7th) v Patrese (4th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Prost (2nd) v de Cesaris (5th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Surer (9th) v Cheever (DNF)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Tambay (DNF, 66 laps) v Warwick (3rd)

SEMI FINALS - BELGIUM
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Patrese (DNF) v Warwick (2nd)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Prost (DNF) v Surer (8th)

FINAL - SAN MARINO
Warwick (4th) v Surer (DNF)

Another shock result for 1984... but second time unlucky for Marc Surer.

APERTURA 1985

Seedings:
(1) Lauda
(2) Prost
(3) de Angelis
(4) Alboreto
(5) Piquet
(NA) Arnoux - sacked after one race, and according to ADx_Wales' ruling, that knocks him out of this season
(6) Warwick
(7) Rosberg
(8) Senna
(9) Mansell
(10) Tambay
(NA) T. Fabi - not competing in first three races
(11) Patrese
(12) Laffitte
(13) Boutsen
(14) Cheever
(15) Johansson
(16) de Cesaris

FIRST ROUND - BRAZIL
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Lauda (DNF, 27 laps) v de Cesaris (DNF, 26 laps)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Prost (1st) v Johansson (7th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): de Angelis (3rd) v Cheever (DNF)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Alboreto (2nd) v Boutsen (11th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Piquet (DNF) v Laffitte (6th)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Warwick (10th) v Patrese (DNF)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Rosberg (DNF) v Tambay (5th)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Senna (DNF, 48 laps) v Mansell (DNF, 8 laps)

QUARTER FINALS - PORTUGAL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Lauda (DNF) v Senna (1st)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Prost (DNF) v Tambay (3rd)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): de Angelis (4th) v Warwick (7th)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Alboreto (2nd) v Laffitte (DNF)

SEMI FINALS - SAN MARINO
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Senna (7th) v Alboreto (DNF)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Tambay (3rd) v de Angelis (1st)

FINAL - MONACO
Senna (DNF) v de Angelis (3rd)

APERTURA 1986

Seedings:
(1) Prost
(2) Alboreto
(3) Rosberg
(4) Senna
(5) de Angelis
(6) Mansell
(7) Johansson
(8) Piquet
(9) Laffitte
(NA) Lauda - gone to run his airline
(10) Boutsen
(11) Tambay
(12) Surer
(NA) Warwick - didn't start the season (cheers, Ayrton)
(13) Streiff
(NA) Bellof - in Valhalla, though not quite as golden as the hall granted to Villeneuve
(14) de Cesaris
(NA) Capelli - not seen until much later in the season
(15) Arnoux - back with Les Bleus (calm down, Shunt)
(16) Berger

FIRST ROUND - BRAZIL
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Prost (DNF) v Berger (6th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Alboreto (DNF) v Arnoux (4th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Rosberg (DNF, 6 laps) v de Cesaris (DNF, 16 laps)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Senna (2nd) v Streiff (7th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): de Angelis (8th) v Surer (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Mansell (DNF, 0 laps) v Tambay (DNF, 24 laps)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Johansson (DNF, 26 laps) v Boutsen (DNF, 37 laps)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Piquet (1st) v Laffitte (3rd)

QUARTER FINALS - SPAIN
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Berger (6th) v Piquet (DNF)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Arnoux (DNF) v Boutsen (7th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): de Cesaris (DNF) v Tambay (8th)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Senna (1st) v de Angelis (DNF)

SEMI FINALS - SAN MARINO
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Berger (3rd) v Senna (DNF)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Boutsen (7th) v Tambay (DNF)

FINAL - MONACO
Berger (DNF) v Boutsen (8th)

It's another win for Arrows!

LIST OF CHAMPIONS:
1950 - Luigi Fagioli (2)
1951 - Luigi Villoresi (10)
1952 - Prince Bira (11)
...
1982 - Didier Pironi (11)
1983 - Marc Surer (16)
1984 - Derek Warwick (13)
1985 - Elio de Angelis (3)
1986 - Thierry Boutsen (10)
1987 - Nigel Mansell (2)
1988 - Alain Prost (4)
1989 - Alain Prost (2)
1990 - Jean Alesi (9)
1991 - Ayrton Senna (1)
1992 - Nigel Mansell (2)
1993 - Jean Alesi (6)
1994 - Michael Schumacher (3)
1995 - Damon Hill (2)
1996 - Damon Hill (2)
1997 - Mika Häkkinen (5)
1998 - David Coulthard (3)
1999 - Michael Schumacher (2)
2000 - Michael Schumacher (5)
2001 - David Coulthard (3)
2002 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2003 - Kimi Räikkönen (6)
2004 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2005 - Fernando Alonso (4)
2006 - Michael Schumacher (3)
2007 - Lewis Hamilton (15)
2008 - Kimi Räikkönen (1)
2009 - Timo Glock (10)
2010 - Lewis Hamilton (5)

Post by **tommykl** » 13 Mar 2011, 14:37

1953 Apertura

With not enough drivers to make 16 seeds, byes will be awarded to the first five seeds. An exception had to be made for Harry Schell, who didn't attempt to qualify for the race, but still raced as relief driver for Trintignant.
Seeds
1. Alberto Ascari
2. Giuseppe Farina
-. Piero Taruffi (sabbatical: raced in sportscars)
-. Rudi Fischer (retired)
3. Mike Hawthorn
-. Robert Manzon (only entered in Argentina)
4. Luigi Villoresi
5. Jose Froilan Gonzalez
6. Jean Behra
7. Ken Wharton
-. Dennis Poore (retired)
-. Alan Brown (only entered four races, one of them in the Apertura)
8. Maurice Trintignant
-. Paul Frere (only entered in Belgium and Switzerland)
-. Eric Thompson (retired)
9. Felice Bonetto
-----no more pointscorers-----
10. Juan Manuel Fangio (Q 2: Round 1)
11. Harry Schell (raced in Round 1 as relief driver)
-----no more drivers eligible-----

Round of 16 - Buenos Aires
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Alberto Ascari (1st) v bye
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Giuseppe Farina (DNF, 31 laps) v bye
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Mike Hawthorn (4th) v bye
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Luigi Villoresi (2nd) v bye
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Jose Froilan Gonzalez (3rd) v bye
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Jean Behra (6th) v Harry Schell (7th)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Ken Wharton (did not enter) v Juan Manuel Fangio (DNF, 36 laps)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Maurice Trintignant (7th) v Felice Bonetto (DNF, 32 laps)

Quarterfinals - Zandvoort
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Alberto Ascari (1st) v Maurice Trintignant (6th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Giuseppe Farina (2nd) v Juan Manuel Fangio (DNF, 36 laps)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Mike Hawthorn (4th) v Jean Behra (fired)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Luigi Villoresi (DNF, 67 laps) v Jose Froilan Gonzalez (3rd)

Semifinals - Spa
SF 1 (QF 1 v QF 4): Alberto Ascari (1st) v Jose Froilan Gonzalez (DNF, 11 laps)
SF 2 (QF 2 v QF 3): Giuseppe Farina (DNF, 16 laps) v Mike Hawthorn (6th)

Final - Reims
Alberto Ascari (4th) v Mike Hawthorn (1st)

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 13 Mar 2011, 16:09

Dont mean to whizz on your parade TommyK, but anyone who doesnt take part in the first round is ineligible...

Post by **tommykl** » 13 Mar 2011, 16:21

ADx_Wales wrote:Dont mean to whizz on your parade TommyK, but anyone who doesnt take part in the first round is ineligible...

I know, but things would get waaaaayy too complicated in the 1950's. With the elimination of the Indy 500, revolving-door teams and one-offs, things will get a whole lot simpler. Towards 1961, the rules I've set up shouldn't be a problem.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 13 Mar 2011, 17:09

1974

- Jackie Stewart (Retired)
1 Emerson Fitipaldi
2 Ronnie Peterson
- Francois Cevert (Racing in the sky)
3 Peter Revson
4 Denny Hulme
5 Carlos Reutermann
6 James Hunt
7 Jacky Ickxqcxkzx
8 J.P. Beltoise
9 Arturo Merzario
- George Folmer (Not Present at round 1)
- Jackie Oliver (Can Am)
- Andrea de Adamich (Still recovering from injuries sustained in 73 Silverstone Pile Up)
- Wilson Fitipaldi (Not Present)
10 Niki Lauda
11 Clay Regazzoni
12 Howden Ganley
- Gijs Van Lennep
- Chris Amon (His team not ready yet)

===No More Points Finishers===

13 Mike Hailwood (9th on the grid in BA)
14 Carlos Pace (11th)
15 Jody Scheckter (12th)
16 Patrick Depailler (15th)

--------------------------------------

Round of 16 - Buenos Aries

Pool A (Seeds 1, 8, 9, 16)

1 Fitipaldi 10th
16 Depailler 6th

8 Beltoise 5th
9 Merzario RET

Pool B (Seeds 4, 5, 12, 13)

4 Hulme 1st
13 Hailwood 4th

5 Reutermann 7th
12 Ganley 8th

Pool C (Seeds 3, 6, 11, 14)

3 Revson RET Lap 1
14 Pace Ret Lap 21

6 Hunt RET
11 Regazzoni 3rd

Pool D (Seeds 2, 7, 10, 15)

2 Peterson 13th
15 Scheckter RET

7 Ickx RET
10 Lauda 2nd

--------------------------------------

Quarter Final - Interlagos

Pool A

16 Depailler 8th
8 Beltoise 10th

Pool B

4 Hulme 12th
5 Reutermann 7th

Pool C

14 Pace 4th
11 Regazzoni 2nd

Pool D

2 Peterson 6th
10 Lauda RET

--------------------------------------

Semi Final - Kyalami

Pool A v Pool B

16 Depailler 4th
5 Reutermann 1st

Pool C v Pool D

11 Regazzoni Ret Lap 65
2 Peterson RET lap 2

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Final - Jarama

5 Reutermann RET
11 Regazzoni 2nd

Post by **tommykl** » 14 Mar 2011, 18:17

1954 Apertura

Seeds
1. Alberto Ascari
2. Juan Manuel Fangio
3. Giuseppe Farina
4. Mike Hawthorn
5. Luigi Villoresi
6. Jose Froilan Gonzalez
-. Toulo de Graffenried (only entered in Argentina and Spain)
-. Felice Bonetto (racing in heaven)
7. Onofre Marimon
8. Maurice Trintignant
-. Oscar Alfredo Galvez (retired)
-. Hermann Lang (only entered in Germany)
-----no more points scorers-----
9. Roberto Mieres (Q 8)
10. Prince Bira (Q 10)
11. Harry Schell (Q 11)
12. Louis Rosier (Q 14)
13. Jean Behra (Q 17)
-----no more drivers eligible-----

Round of 16 - Buenos Aires
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Alberto Ascari (did not enter) v bye
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Juan Manuel Fangio (1st) v bye
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Giuseppe Farina (2nd) v bye
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Mike Hawthorn (DSQ, 34 laps) v Jean Behra (DSQ, 30 laps)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Luigi Villoresi (did not enter) v Louis Rosier (DNF, 2 laps)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Jose Froilan Gonzalez (3rd) v Harry Schell (6th)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Onofre Marimon (DNF, 5 laps) v Prince Bira (7th)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Maurice Trintignant (4th) v Roberto Mieres (DNF, 49 laps)

Quarterfinals - Spa
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Alberto Ascari (did not enter) v Maurice Trintignant (2nd)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Juan Manuel Fangio (1st) v Prince Bira (6th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Giuseppe Farina (DNF, 14 laps) v Jose Froilan Gonzalez (4th)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Mike Hawthorn (4th) v Louis Rosier (did not enter)

Semifinals - Reims
SF 1 (QF 1 v QF 4): Maurice Trintignant (DNF, 36 laps) v Mike Hawthorn (DNF, 9 laps)
SF 2 (QF 2 v QF 3): Juan Manuel Fangio (1st) v Jose Froilan Gonzalez (DNF, 13 laps)

Final - Silverstone
Maurice Trintignant (5th) v Juan Manuel Fangio (4th)

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 14 Mar 2011, 18:47

Right! So that you all don't think I've disappeared, here are three more Aperturi to complete the 80s.

APERTURA 1979

Seedings:
(1) Andretti
(NA) Peterson - too dead to race
(2) Reutemann
(3) Lauda
(4) Depailler
(5) Watson
(6) J. Scheckter
(7) Laffitte
(8) G. Villeneuve
(9) E. Fittipaldi
(10) Jones
(11) Patrese
(12) Hunt
(13) Tambay
(14) Pironi
(15) Regazzoni
(16) Jabouille

FIRST ROUND - ARGENTINA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Andretti (5th) v Jabouille (DNF)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Reutemann (2nd) v Regazzoni (10th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Lauda (DNF, 8 laps) v Pironi (DNF, 0 laps)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Depailler (4th) v Tambay (DNF)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Watson (3rd) v Hunt (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): J. Scheckter (DNF, 0 laps) v Patrese (DNS)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Laffitte (1st) v Jones (9th)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): G. Villeneuve (DNF) v E. Fittipaldi (6th)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Andretti (DNF) v E. Fittipaldi (11th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Reutemann (3rd) v Laffitte (1st)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Lauda (DNF) v J. Scheckter (6th)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Depailler (2nd) v Watson (8th)

SEMI FINALS - SOUTH AFRICA
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): E. Fittipaldi (13th) v Depailler (DNF)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Laffitte (DNF) v J. Scheckter (2nd)

FINAL - USA WEST
E. Fittipaldi (DNF) v J. Scheckter (2nd)

A valiant fight from Emmo in his brother's old nail against the mighty Scuderia, but it was not to be...

APERTURA 1980

Seedings:
(1) J. Scheckter
(2) G. Villeneuve
(3) Jones
(4) Laffitte
(5) Regazzoni
(6) Reutemann
(7) Depailler
(8) Arnoux
(9) Watson
(10) Pironi
(11) Jarier
(12) Andretti
(13) Jabouille
(NA) Lauda - off flying planes (for the first time)
(14) de Angelis
(15) Piquet
(NA) Ickx - retired to go sports car racing
(16) Mass

FIRST ROUND - ARGENTINA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): J. Scheckter (DNF, 45 laps) v Mass (DNF, 20 laps)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): G. Villeneuve (DNF) v Piquet (2nd)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Jones (1st) v de Angelis (DNF)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Laffitte (DNF, 30 laps) v Jabouille (DNF, 3 laps)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Regazzoni (NC, 44 laps) v Andretti (DNF, 20 laps)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Reutemann (DNF, 12 laps) v Jarier (DNF, 1 lap)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Depailler (DNF, 46 laps) v Pironi (DNF, 1 lap)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Arnoux (DNF, 2 laps) v Watson (DNF, 5 laps)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): J. Scheckter (DNF) v Watson (11th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Piquet (DNF, 14 laps) v Depailler (DNF, 33 laps)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Jones (3rd) v Reutemann (DNF)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Laffitte (DNF, 13 laps, running 2nd) v Regazzoni (DNF, 13 laps, running 21st)

SEMI FINALS - SOUTH AFRICA
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Watson (11th) v Laffitte (2nd)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Depailler (NC, 53 laps) v Jones (DNF, 34 laps)

FINAL - USA WEST
Laffitte (DNF, 36 laps) v Depailler (DNF, 40 laps)

So, Patrick Depailler wins Apertura 1980 without being classified in the first four races... and without living to see the end of the season.

APERTURA 1981

Seedings:
(1) Jones
(2) Piquet
(3) Reutemann
(4) Laffitte
(5) Pironi
(6) Arnoux
(7) de Angelis
(NA) Jabouille - not competing in the first two races
(8) Patrese
(9) Rosberg
(10) Watson
(11) Daly
(12) Jarier - competing in first two races
(13) G. Villeneuve
(NA) E. Fittipaldi - had enough of his brother's dire cars
(14) Prost
(NA) Mass - having a year off
(15) Giacomelli
(NA) J. Scheckter - so disgusted at scoring a DNQ as World Champion, he'd had enough
(16) Andretti

FIRST ROUND - USA WEST
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Jones (1st) v Andretti (4th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Piquet (3rd) v Giacomelli (DNF)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Reutemann (2nd) v Prost (DNF)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Laffitte (DNF, 41 laps) v G. Villeneuve (DNF, 17 laps)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Pironi (DNF, 67 laps) v Jarier (DNF, 64 laps)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Arnoux (8th) v Daly (DNQ)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): de Angelis (DNF, 13 laps) v Watson (DNF, 16 laps)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Patrese (DNF, 33 laps) v Rosberg (DNF, 41 laps)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Jones (2nd) v Rosberg (9th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Piquet (12th) v Watson (8th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Reutemann (1st) v Arnoux (DNF)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Laffitte (6th) v Pironi (DNF)

SEMI FINALS - ARGENTINA
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Jones (4th) V Laffitte (DNF)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Watson (DNF) v Reutemann (2nd)

FINAL - SAN MARINO
Jones (12th) v Reutemann (3rd)

LIST OF CHAMPIONS:
1950 - Luigi Fagioli (2)
1951 - Luigi Villoresi (10)
1952 - Prince Bira (11)
1953 - Mike Hawthorn (3)
1954 - Juan Manuel Fangio (2)
...
1974 - Clay Regazzoni (11)
...
1979 - Jody Scheckter (6)
1980 - Patrick Depailler (7)
1981 - Carlos Reutemann (3)
1982 - Didier Pironi (11)
1983 - Marc Surer (16)
1984 - Derek Warwick (13)
1985 - Elio de Angelis (3)
1986 - Thierry Boutsen (10)
1987 - Nigel Mansell (2)
1988 - Alain Prost (4)
1989 - Alain Prost (2)
1990 - Jean Alesi (9)
1991 - Ayrton Senna (1)
1992 - Nigel Mansell (2)
1993 - Jean Alesi (6)
1994 - Michael Schumacher (3)
1995 - Damon Hill (2)
1996 - Damon Hill (2)
1997 - Mika Häkkinen (5)
1998 - David Coulthard (3)
1999 - Michael Schumacher (2)
2000 - Michael Schumacher (5)
2001 - David Coulthard (3)
2002 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2003 - Kimi Räikkönen (6)
2004 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2005 - Fernando Alonso (4)
2006 - Michael Schumacher (3)
2007 - Lewis Hamilton (15)
2008 - Kimi Räikkönen (1)
2009 - Timo Glock (10)
2010 - Lewis Hamilton (5)

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 28 Mar 2011, 23:12

No, I hadn't forgotten about the historic Aperturi. I've been busy catching up on the Cricket World Cup (30 days' worth of it over only five days), filling in Census forms, watching the Australian Grand Prix, and also going out and having a life... so, I will now fill in the rest of the 1970s. Here's where it gets complicated with one-off drives, and the unfortunate occupational hazard of drivers being a lot more likely to be killed than in the present era.

tommykl wrote:Alright. I've deemed that, to be eligible, a driver must have entered at least two of the four rounds, excluding the Indy 500, whose drivers will not be eligible.

This does present a bit of a problem, actually - if we weren't doing this retrospectively, there'd be no way of knowing who was going to compete in the second race and who wasn't, so for all these I'm counting any driver who made it to the first race, and if it's a no-show for any of the others that means an instant knockout, hard luck!

And once more into the pit we go...

APERTURA 1970

Seedings:
(1) J. Stewart
(2) J. Ickx
(3) B. McLaren
(4) J. Rindt
(5) J-P. Beltoise
(6) D. Hulme
(7) G. Hill
(8) P. Courage
(9) J. Siffert
(10) J. Brabham
(11) J. Surtees
(12) C. Amon
(NA) R. Attwood - not competing after 1969
(NA) V. Elford - not competing again until 1971
(13) P. Rodríguez
(NA) S. Moser - not competing until later in the season
(14) J. Oliver
(15) J. Servoz-Gavin
------ no more points scorers ------
(16) M. Andretti - qualified 11th in South Africa, competed in the first two races of the season

FIRST ROUND - SOUTH AFRICA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Stewart (3rd) v Andretti (DNF)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Ickx (DNF, 60 laps) v Servoz-Gavin (DNF, 57 laps)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): McLaren (DNF, 39 laps) v Oliver (DNF, 22 laps)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Rindt (13th) v Rodríguez (9th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Beltoise (4th) v Amon (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Hulme (2nd) v Surtees (DNF)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Hill (6th) v Brabham (1st)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Courage (DNF) v Siffert (10th)[b]

[b]QUARTER FINALS - SPAIN
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Stewart (1st) v Siffert (DNQ)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Ickx (DNF, 0 laps) v Brabham (DNF, 61 laps)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): McLaren (2nd) v Hulme (DNF)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Rodríguez (DNF, 4 laps) v Beltoise (DNF, 31 laps)

SEMI FINALS - MONACO
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Stewart (DNF, 57 laps) v Beltoise (DNF, 21 laps)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Brabham (2nd) v McLaren (DNF, 19 laps)

FINAL - BELGIUM
Stewart (DNF, 14 laps) v Brabham (DNF, 19 laps)

APERTURA 1971

Seedings:
(NA) J. Rindt - the posthumous World Champion
(1) J. Ickx
(2) C. Regazzoni
(3) D. Hulme
(4) J. Stewart
(NA) J. Brabham - retired at the end of the 1970 season
(5) P. Rodríguez
(6) C. Amon
(NA) J-P. Beltoise - absent from the first race, hence ineligible
(7) E. Fittipaldi
(8) R. Stommelen
(9) H. Pescarolo
(10) G. Hill
(NA) B. McLaren - killed mid-1970
(11) R. Wisell
(12) M. Andretti
(NA) I. Giunti - only ever competed in 1970
(13) J. Surtees
(NA) J. Miles - fired in 1970
(NA) J. Oliver - not competing until 6th race
(NA) J. Servoz-Gavin - couldn't see what he was doing
(14) F. Cevert
(15) P. Gethin
(NA) D. Gurney - gone back to America
(NA) D. Bell - not competing until 6th race
------ no more points scorers ------
(16) D. Charlton - only competed in South Africa, and as it will turn out, this isn't a problem

FIRST ROUND - SOUTH AFRICA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Ickx (8th) v Charlton (12th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Regazzoni (3rd) v Gethin (DNF)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Hulme (6th) v Cevert (DNF)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Stewart (2nd) v Surtees (DNF)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Rodríguez (DNF) v Andretti (1st)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Amon (5th) v Wisell (4th)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Fittipaldi (DNF) v Hill (9th)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Stommelen (12th) v Pescarolo (11th)

QUARTER FINALS - SPAIN
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Ickx (2nd) v Pescarolo (DNF)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Regazzoni (DNF, 13 laps) v Hill (DNF, 5 laps)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Hulme (5th) v Wisell (DNF)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Stewart (1st) v Andretti (DNF)

SEMI FINALS - MONACO
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Ickx (3rd) v Stewart (1st)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Regazzoni (DNF) v Hulme (4th)

FINAL - NETHERLANDS
Stewart (11th) v Hulme (12th)

APERTURA 1972

Seedings:
(1) J. Stewart
(2) R. Peterson
(3) F. Cevert
(4) J. Ickx
(NA) J. Siffert - dead
(5) E. Fittipaldi
(6) C. Regazzoni
(7) M. Andretti
(8) P. Gethin
(NA) P. Rodríguez - also dead
(9) C. Amon
(10) R. Wisell - but didn't make it to the second race
(11) D. Hulme
(12) T. Schenken
(13) H. Ganley
(NA) M. Donohue - only competed at the end of 1971, and in 1974-75
(14) H. Pescarolo
(NA) M. Hailwood - didn't make it to the first race
(NA) J. Surtees - didn't compete until the 10th race
(NA) R. Stommelen - didn't compete in the first race
(15) G. Hill
(NA) J-P. Beltoise - another one not to get to the first race...
------ no more points scorers ------
(16) C. Reutemann - pole position in Argentina

FIRST ROUND - ARGENTINA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Stewart (1st) v Reutemann (7th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Peterson (6th) v Hill (DNF)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Cevert (DNF) v Pescarolo (8th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Ickx (3rd) v Ganley (9th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Fittipaldi (DNF) v Schenken (5th) - ...and there goes the '72 champion...
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Regazzoni (4th) v Hulme (2nd)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Andretti (DNF, 20 laps) v Wisell (DNF, 59 laps)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Gethin (DNF, 1 lap) v Amon (DNS)

QUARTER FINALS - SOUTH AFRICA
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Stewart (DNF, 45 laps) v Gethin (NC, 65 laps)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Peterson (5th) v Wisell (absent)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Pescarolo (11th) v Hulme (1st)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Ickx (8th) v Schenken (DNF)

SEMI FINALS - SPAIN
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Gethin (DNF) v Ickx (2nd)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Peterson (DNF, 16 laps) v Hulme (DNF, 48 laps)

[b]FINAL - MONACO
Ickx (2nd) v Hulme (15th)

APERTURA 1973

Seedings:
(1) E. Fittipaldi
(2) J. Stewart
(3) D. Hulme
(4) J. Ickx
(5) P. Revson
(6) F. Cevert
(7) C. Regazzoni
(8) M. Hailwood
(9) R. Peterson
(NA) C. Amon - not competing until 5th race
(10) J-P. Beltoise
(NA) M. Andretti - disappeared until 1974
(11) H. Ganley
(NA) B. Redman - not competing until final race
(NA) G. Hill - not competing until 4th race
(12) C. Reutemann
(NA) A. de Adamich - not competing until 3rd race
(13) J.C. Pace
(NA) T. Schenken - not competing until 14th race
(14) A. Merzario
(NA) P. Gethin - not competing until 14th race
------ no more points scorers ------
(15) W. Fittipaldi - qualified 12th in Argentina
(16) N. Lauda - qualified 13th in Argentina

FIRST ROUND - ARGENTINA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): E. Fittipaldi (1st) v Lauda (DNF)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Stewart (3rd) v W. Fittipaldi (6th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Hulme (5th) v Merzario (9th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Ickx (4th) v Pace (DNF)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Revson (8th) v Reutemann (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Cevert (2nd) v Ganley (DNF)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Regazzoni (7th) v Beltoise (DNF)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Hailwood (DNF, 10 laps) v Peterson (DNF, 67 laps)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): E. Fittipaldi (1st) v Peterson (DNF)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Stewart (2nd) v Regazzoni (6th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Hulme (3rd) v Cevert (10th)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Ickx (5th) v Revson (DNF)

SEMI FINALS - SOUTH AFRICA
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): E. Fittipaldi (3rd) v Ickx (DNF)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Stewart (1st) v Hulme (5th)

FINAL - SPAIN
E. Fittipaldi (1st) v Stewart (DNF)

...and for 1974, see one of the posts above. Here comes the second half (1975-78)...

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 29 Mar 2011, 00:10

Still we go on, through the seventies...

APERTURA 1975

Seedings:
(1) E. Fittipaldi
(2) C. Regazzoni
(3) J. Scheckter
(4) N. Lauda
(5) R. Peterson
(6) C. Reutemann
(NA) D. Hulme - retired from F1 to race Australian Touring Cars
(7) J. Hunt
(8) P. Depailler
(9) J. Ickx
(NA) M. Hailwood - smashed to pieces at the Nordschleife
(10) J.C. Pace
(NA) J-P. Beltoise - retired from F1 at the end of 1974
(11) J-P. Jarier
(12) J. Watson
(NA) H.J. Stuck - not competing until the 10th race
(13) A. Merzario
(14) G. Hill
(15) T. Pryce
(16) V. Brambilla

FIRST ROUND - ARGENTINA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Fittipaldi (1st) v Brambilla (9th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Regazzoni (4th) v Pryce (12th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Scheckter (11th) v Hill (10th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Lauda (6th) v Merzario (NC)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Peterson (DNF, 15 laps) v Watson (DNF, 6 laps)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Reutemann (3rd) v Jarier (DNS)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Hunt (2nd) v Pace (DNF)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Depailler (5th) v Ickx (8th)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Fittipaldi (2nd) v Depailler (DNF)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Regazzoni (4th) v Hunt (6th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Hill (12th) v Reutemann (8th)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Lauda (5th) v Peterson (15th)

SEMI FINALS - SOUTH AFRICA
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Fittipaldi (DNF) v Lauda (5th)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Regazzoni (16th) v Reutemann (2nd)

FINAL - SPAIN
Lauda (DNF) v Reutemann (3rd)

APERTURA 1976

Seedings:
(1) N. Lauda
(2) E. Fittipaldi
(3) C. Reutemann
(4) J. Hunt
(5) C. Regazzoni
(6) J.C. Pace
(7) J. Scheckter
(8) J. Mass
(9) P. Depailler
(10) T. Pryce
(11) V. Brambilla
(12) J. Laffitte
(13) R. Peterson
(14) M. Andretti
(NA) M. Donohue - another one dead
(15) J. Ickx
(NA) A. Jones - not competing until the 3rd race
(16) J-P. Jarier

FIRST ROUND - BRAZIL
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Lauda (1st) v Jarier (DNF)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Fittipaldi (13th) v Ickx (8th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Reutemann (12th) v Andretti (DNF)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Hunt (DNF, 32 laps) v Peterson (DNF, 10 laps)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Regazzoni (7th) v Laffitte (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Pace (10th) v Brambilla (DNF)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Scheckter (5th) v Pryce (3rd)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Mass (6th) v Depailler (2nd)

QUARTER FINALS - SOUTH AFRICA
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Lauda (1st) v Depailler (9th)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Ickx (16th) v Pryce (7th)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Reutemann (DNF, 16 laps) v Pace (DNF, 22 laps)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Hunt (2nd) v Regazzoni (DNF)

SEMI FINALS - USA WEST
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Lauda (2nd) v Hunt (DNF)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Pryce (DNF) v Pace (9th)

FINAL - SPAIN
Lauda (2nd) v Pace (6th)

APERTURA 1977

Seedings:
(1) J. Hunt
(2) N. Lauda
(3) J. Scheckter
(4) P. Depailler
(5) C. Regazzoni
(6) M. Andretti
(7) J. Watson
(8) J. Laffitte
(9) J. Mass
(10) G. Nilsson
(11) R. Peterson
(12) T. Pryce
(NA) H-J. Stuck - missed the first two races
(13) J.C. Pace
(NA) A. Jones - missed the first three races... too many pies, maybe?
(14) C. Reutemann
(15) E. Fittipaldi
(NA) C. Amon - fed up with never winning
(16) V. Brambilla

FIRST ROUND - ARGENTINA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Hunt (DNF) v Brambilla (7th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Lauda (DNF) v Fittipaldi (4th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Scheckter (1st) v Reutemann (3rd)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Depailler (DNF) v Pace (2nd)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Regazzoni (6th) v Pryce (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Andretti (5th) v Peterson (DNF)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Watson (DNF, 41 laps) v Nilsson (DNF)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Laffitte (DNF, 37 laps) v Mass (DNF, 28 laps)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Brambilla (DNF, 11 laps) v Laffitte (DNF, 26 laps)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Fittipaldi (4th) v Watson (DNF)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Scheckter (DNF, 11 laps) v Andretti (DNF, 19 laps)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Pace (DNF, 33 laps) v Regazzoni (DNF, 12 laps)

SEMI FINALS - SOUTH AFRICA
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Laffitte (DNF) v Pace (13th)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Fittipaldi (10th) v Andretti (DNF)

FINAL - USA WEST
Pace (killed in a plane crash between races, hence absent...) v Fittipaldi (5th)

Hmmm. I knew there might be one that had to end this way. Let's not lose sight of Emmo winning this year's competition in his brother's hateful heap of junk rather than a Lotus or a McLaren, though...

APERTURA 1978

Seedings:
(1) N. Lauda
(2) J. Scheckter
(3) M. Andretti
(4) C. Reutemann
(5) J. Hunt
(6) J. Mass
(7) A. Jones
(NA) G. Nilsson - already in severe cancer trouble
(8) P. Depailler
(9) J. Laffitte
(10) H-J. Stuck
(11) E. Fittipaldi
(12) J. Watson
(13) R. Peterson
(NA) J.C. Pace - too dead to race, even more unfortunately after 1977's final...
(14) V. Brambilla
(15) C. Regazzoni
(16) P. Tambay

FIRST ROUND - ARGENTINA
Heat 1 (1 v 16): Lauda (2nd) v Tambay (6th)
Heat 2 (2 v 15): Scheckter (10th) v Regazzoni (15th)
Heat 3 (3 v 14): Andretti (1st) v Brambilla (18th)
Heat 4 (4 v 13): Reutemann (7th) v Peterson (5th)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Hunt (4th) v Watson (DNF)
Heat 6 (6 v 11): Mass (11th) v Fittipaldi (9th)
Heat 7 (7 v 10): Jones (DNF) v Stuck (17th)
Heat 8 (8 v 9): Depailler (3rd) v Laffitte (16th)

QUARTER FINALS - BRAZIL
QF 1 (H1 v H8): Lauda (3rd) v Depailler (DNF)
QF 2 (H2 v H7): Scheckter (DNF, 16 laps) v Stuck (DNF, 25 laps)
QF 3 (H3 v H6): Andretti (4th) v Fittipaldi (2nd)
QF 4 (H4 v H5): Peterson (DNF, 15 laps) v Hunt (DNF, 25 laps)

SEMI FINALS - SOUTH AFRICA
SF 1 (QF1 v QF4): Lauda (DNF, 52 laps) v Hunt (DNF, 5 laps)
SF 2 (QF2 v QF3): Stuck (DNQ) v Fittipaldi (DNF, 9 laps)

FINAL - USA WEST
Lauda (DNF) v Fittipaldi (8th)

...another Fittipaldi victory in that awful car? Still, at least this time the final was actually contested.

LIST OF CHAMPIONS:
1950 - Luigi Fagioli (2)
1951 - Luigi Villoresi (10)
1952 - Prince Bira (11)
1953 - Mike Hawthorn (3)
1954 - Juan Manuel Fangio (2)
...
1970 - Jack Brabham (10)
1971 - Jackie Stewart (4)
1972 - Jacky Ickx (4)
1973 - Emerson Fittipaldi (1)
1974 - Clay Regazzoni (11)
1975 - Carlos Reutemann (6)
1976 - Niki Lauda (1)
1977 - Emerson Fittipaldi (15)
1978 - Emerson Fittipaldi (11)
1979 - Jody Scheckter (6)
1980 - Patrick Depailler (7)
1981 - Carlos Reutemann (3)
1982 - Didier Pironi (11)
1983 - Marc Surer (16)
1984 - Derek Warwick (13)
1985 - Elio de Angelis (3)
1986 - Thierry Boutsen (10)
1987 - Nigel Mansell (2)
1988 - Alain Prost (4)
1989 - Alain Prost (2)
1990 - Jean Alesi (9)
1991 - Ayrton Senna (1)
1992 - Nigel Mansell (2)
1993 - Jean Alesi (6)
1994 - Michael Schumacher (3)
1995 - Damon Hill (2)
1996 - Damon Hill (2)
1997 - Mika Häkkinen (5)
1998 - David Coulthard (3)
1999 - Michael Schumacher (2)
2000 - Michael Schumacher (5)
2001 - David Coulthard (3)
2002 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2003 - Kimi Räikkönen (6)
2004 - Michael Schumacher (1)
2005 - Fernando Alonso (4)
2006 - Michael Schumacher (3)
2007 - Lewis Hamilton (15)
2008 - Kimi Räikkönen (1)
2009 - Timo Glock (10)
2010 - Lewis Hamilton (5)

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 29 Mar 2011, 10:54

dinizintheoven wrote:I knew the 50s would throw up some odd results. And the 80s are doing the same. Read on!

APERTURA 1984

FIRST ROUND - BRAZIL

Heat 4 (4 v 13): Tambay (5th) v Warwick (DNF)
Heat 5 (5 v 12): Rosberg (2nd) v Mansell (DNF)

QUARTER FINALS - SOUTH AFRICA

QF 4 (H4 v H5): Tambay (DNF, 66 laps) v Warwick (3rd)

Shouldn't it be Tambay V Rosberg? How can Warwick win if he gets beaten in round 1?!?