Toyota Has No Intention of Returning to F1

[Cynon]

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As far as the whole "F1 is too elitist" image crap... well, I'd say he's just Captain Obvious.

But perhaps he forgets to mention that Toyotas in other forms of motorsport actually do things other than piss victories away and actually contribute more to Toyota's image by actually winning. In NASCAR the top Toyota team, Joe Gibbs Racing, is basically the McLaren of NASCAR...

[Henrique]

>implying the 24 Hours of Nurburgring gets more attention than F1.

[Klon]

>implying the 24 Hours of Nurburgring gets more attention than F1.

>implying greentext shouldn't only be used on 4chan.

[Klon]

>implying the 24 Hours of Nurburgring gets more attention than F1.

>implying greentext shouldn't only be used on 4chan.

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[Captain Hammer]

If Toyota don't want back in, their loss is someone else's chocolatey goodness.

[coops]

Well thank HWNSNBM for that.

Losers.

[Jordan192]

Toyota were in F1?

[Phoenix]

These guys are unbelievable. 7 years in F1 being one of the teams that spent most on it and now that they've withdrawn they come saying F1 is too elitist. In my opinion, this is only a knee-jerk reaction to the fact they're stung because of his poor results and the fact F1 was not as easy as they wanted. Oh, and by the way, making F1 less elitist won't help them get better results, just in case they thought about it.
If they don't want to return to F1, then the better for everyone. They won't be sorely missed.
And F1 is elitist for a reason: it's the pinnacle of motorsport after all.

[coops]

Toyota were in F1?

I laughed out loud when I read that but whats funnier is that, bearing in mind how much they spent, in ten years time some F1 fan will say that and mean it.

[DemocalypseNow]

If Toyota don't want back in, their loss is someone else's chocolatey goodness.

I'm not sure Peter Sauber would agree with you.

[Phoenix]

If Toyota don't want back in, their loss is someone else's chocolatey goodness.

I'm not sure Peter Sauber would agree with you.

Why not?

[coops]

If Toyota don't want back in, their loss is someone else's chocolatey goodness.

I'm not sure Peter Sauber would agree with you.

Why not?

He's allergic to chocolate.

[FullMetalJack]

Since when does anyone care about whether Toyota will return to F1?

[Myrvold]

Just think on how many seasons Minardi could've runned with the amount of money Toyota used on ONE season!

[thehemogoblin]

I'm not sure Peter Sauber would agree with you.

Why not?

He's allergic to chocolate.

That's got to put a damper on being Swiss.

[Python]

Since when does anyone care about whether Toyota will return to F1?

I do since I was a huge fan of Toyota's F1 program. Since Toyota has no intention of returning I'm not upset, it's their choice and I will support their other endeavors.

[Phoenix]

Since when does anyone care about whether Toyota will return to F1?

I do since I was a huge fan of Toyota's F1 program. Since Toyota has no intention of returning I'm not upset, it's their choice and I will support their other endeavors.

Wow, I could've never imagined Toyota had supporters (at least until they brought Kobayashi for the last two races last season).

[bighaydo]

I noticed that Toyota were saying that other categories allow the fans to walk up and touch the cars... not quite sure what they're talking about there. I always got the impression that no matter the category there would be some technical director that would be quite happy for people not to touch his precious baby. If F1 were like that, could you imagine the espionage?

Totally on the "Were Toyota in F1?" thing... I tend to remember a lot about F1 and I had to think twice to name all of the drivers they've had over the years (Salo, McNish, Panis, da Matta, Trulli, R Schumacher, Glock, Kobayashi). Their driver line up is almost the same as the team itself... not particularly memorable!

(NB. not in a talent sense, but they hardly rocked the F1 boat with their outgoing personalities...)

[Phoenix]

Apart from Kobayashi, probably the only memorable thing from Toyota was Half Schumacher's crash in Indy in 2005. Not a good thing...

[watka]

I noticed that Toyota were saying that other categories allow the fans to walk up and touch the cars... not quite sure what they're talking about there. I always got the impression that no matter the category there would be some technical director that would be quite happy for people not to touch his precious baby. If F1 were like that, could you imagine the espionage?

Totally on the "Were Toyota in F1?" thing... I tend to remember a lot about F1 and I had to think twice to name all of the drivers they've had over the years (Salo, McNish, Panis, da Matta, Trulli, R Schumacher, Glock, Kobayashi). Their driver line up is almost the same as the team itself... not particularly memorable!

(NB. not in a talent sense, but they hardly rocked the F1 boat with their outgoing personalities...)

Don't forget Ricardo Zonta!

[Cynon]

Toyota was memorable for being stupid enough to run Ralf and for flushing a lot of money down the toilet for their stupidity.

[mario]

Apart from Kobayashi, probably the only memorable thing from Toyota was Half Schumacher's crash in Indy in 2005. Not a good thing...

Even so, if you bring up that race, I think that most people would associate that with Michelin instead of Toyota (because ultimately it was a design flaw in the tyre construction itself, instead of anything specific to do with Toyota).

Since when does anyone care about whether Toyota will return to F1?

I do since I was a huge fan of Toyota's F1 program. Since Toyota has no intention of returning I'm not upset, it's their choice and I will support their other endeavors.

Wow, I could've never imagined Toyota had supporters (at least until they brought Kobayashi for the last two races last season).

Somebody's got to be a Toyota supporter (to play on the line that Bill Bryson memorably opened his first book with - "I'm from Des Moines, Iowa. Somebody's got to.")

[bighaydo]

I noticed that Toyota were saying that other categories allow the fans to walk up and touch the cars... not quite sure what they're talking about there. I always got the impression that no matter the category there would be some technical director that would be quite happy for people not to touch his precious baby. If F1 were like that, could you imagine the espionage?

Totally on the "Were Toyota in F1?" thing... I tend to remember a lot about F1 and I had to think twice to name all of the drivers they've had over the years (Salo, McNish, Panis, da Matta, Trulli, R Schumacher, Glock, Kobayashi). Their driver line up is almost the same as the team itself... not particularly memorable!

(NB. not in a talent sense, but they hardly rocked the F1 boat with their outgoing personalities...)

Don't forget Ricardo Zonta!

Oops - I forgot about him - thanks for proving my point!!

[mario]

For anybody who is interested, some photographs of a fully assembled TF110 have now emerged, it seems, based on an article in "Racecar Engineering".

Looking at it, it does seem to have quite a few similarities to a few of the recent Williams, with the shape of the nose, whilst the new front wing that Lotus have been using does bear a very strong appearance to the TF110's front wing assembly.




It does look fairly different from the TF109, especially with that front nose assembly. A few more pics here http://f1around.wordpress.com/2010/05/2 ... a-em-2010/ (in Portuguese). Interestingly, there is a hint that this car came with a ride height adjustment system, along the same line of thought as what Red Bull were rumoured to have developed. I'd be very interested to see if anybody could get a hold of a copy of this, because it does sound very intriguing.

[Phoenix]

Yeah, but it was not one, but both Toyotas who wrecked They should have treated F1 as a sport and not as a business. Maybe then things would've been different.
And I was being ironical about Toyota supporters. It was just such a boring and unremarkable team you wonder at times if they were really there.
About that TF110, is it a version built by Toyota to test or something like that? I mean, is it original? And why is it wearing wet tyres on dry? The nose reminds me a lot that of the Red Bull RB6.

[mario]

Yeah, but it was not one, but both Toyotas who wrecked They should have treated F1 as a sport and not as a business. Maybe then things would've been different.
And I was being ironical about Toyota supporters. It was just such a boring and unremarkable team you wonder at times if they were really there.
About that TF110, is it a version built by Toyota to test or something like that? I mean, is it original? And why is it wearing wet tyres on dry? The nose reminds me a lot that of the Red Bull RB6.

I would hazard a guess that this was probably built up from the parts that Toyota had built in anticipation of homologating it for 2010, as per the regulations this year, and this probably was intended to be the test mule. As to how original, it is hard to say, since I have not been able to read the article in the magazine which has written the story (as it is a subscription only affair).

As for the wet tyres on a dry day, it is actually pretty common for teams to use an old set of wet tyres on a dry day, often on demonstration runs. Firstly, this is because the softer rubber means that the tyre can come up to temperature more quickly, and if you are only doing a few short runs, a slick tyre would probably still be pretty cold. Secondly, since there is a quite deep tread on the intermediate and wet tyres (relatively speaking), this raises the ride height a bit, which is useful if you are running on a rough surface, like a public road. Finally, since you rarely use inters during the year, you're more likely to have a set of inters lying around then a set of dry tyres, and if all you are doing is wheeling the car around, then it doesn't really matter what tyres you put on it.

[Edit] A quick explanation as to why the car was assembled - it is suggested, according to a blog by Joe Saward, that the TF110 was put together so Howett, the ex-Toyota boss, could drive the car as a sort of final farewell to the company. Unfortunately, it seems that he might have had a little accident in the process, clipping on of the factory walls.
More interesting is his suggestion that the remnants of the team will be offering their services instead as an outside contractor for one of the new teams, rumoured to be the ART GP2 team. http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/05/ ... /#comments

[Ferrim]

F1 was already very elitist when Toyota decided to enter. They should look for another entry on the Great Excuses Book.

[Captain Hammer]

Hmmm, painted all in red. And that's definatel Nakajima's helmet. Could these be shots of the car when it was controlled by Stefan? He always said the car was going to be painted "Serbian Olympic Red", and the undercoat for the Toyota has always been white.