Reject of the Race - France 2022

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Pick your Reject of the Race!

Poll ended at 04 Aug 2022, 04:46

Charles Leclerc
6
60%
Everyone at Ferrari bar Carlos Sainz
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30%
Alfa Romeo
1
10%
Unsafe releases
0
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Total votes: 10

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1. Charles Leclerc. Goodbye to any semblance of a title battle.

2. Paul Di Resta. Insipid and utterly awful commentary. Bring back Brundle.

Honourable mention to the FIA World Touring Car Cup, absolute joke of a series.
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Ferrari.
They've gone from being Ferrari to being a parody of Ferrari at this point.
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1. Ferrari - How does a driver do the math in his head during a race better than an entire team in the paddock?
2. Leclerc - Everyone makes mistakes, but he keeps making big mistakes that are very costly.
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1. Leclerc: These are the errors that cost championships
2. Perez: Beaten on pace by both Mercedes drivers
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Londoner wrote: 24 Jul 2022, 14:37 1. Charles Leclerc. Goodbye to any semblance of a title battle.
Can’t argue with that, not much more rejectful than throwing it in the wall from the lead.
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1) Charles Leclerc: Yet another instance of Ferrari snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, except this time it was his fault.

2) Alfa Romeo: Glued to the bottom during the race and yet another retirement for Zhou.
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1. Leclerc. Binning it from the lead and what would probably have been a win
2. Ferrari. Did somebody delete the word "strategy" from their dictionary? How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race and the rules than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room? Leclerc's crash was probably due to a FBW throttle failure too.

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1 Charles Le Clerc. Binned it. No excuses. Will not win the championship.

2. Ferrari. AGAIN!! Let's just give the championship to Red Bull on a plate shall we. Pit stop errors and The drivers knowing more about regulations and strategy than the team. Total clowns.

Hm. Ferrari powered teams. Neither Haas or Alfa Romeo were on the pace and mistakes from Zhou and K-mag summed up the race for both teams.

Hm sky commentary team. Random talks about sweets, thinking that Hamilton could win the race and mistakes about drivers drove me mad!!!

Hm Perez, very bad weekend- beaten by both Mercs.
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1) Ferrari
2) Perez
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1 - Everyone at Ferrari not called Sainz: Another throttle problem? An error by Leclerc? That scream. The unsafe release. "You got a stop and go penalty". "Look, Carlos, we know you're wheel-to-wheel racing with Pérez for P3- we think this is the perfect moment for you to pit". It's beautiful. They aren't going to win anything this season but by god is it enjoyable to watch (unless you do want them to win anything, of course, then it's just painful).

2 - Alfa Romeo: Remember when they looked like they were going to do something this season?
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1. Ferrari Their best strategic mind is their second driver.

2. Leclerc I feel comfortable now calling this: he makes too many mistakes to be WDC. He'd have to have Mansell '92 levels of car advantage, which i just don't see happen these days.
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Charles Leclerc: All Ferrari needed to mirror this 2018-esque implosion was a mistake from it’s lead driver. Well done mate.

Ferrari and their customers: Every race the Scuderia find new ways to trip over themselves. Today it was Sainz’s strategy. The fact their only 44 points ahead of Mercedes in the constructors with a much faster car is criminal.

Alfa Romeo and Haas were both slow, got 1 retirement each and 3 of those 4 cars were involved in accidents. Alfa in particular have been nowhere since Canada.

Sergio Perez: Just not at the races all weekend. Did nothing about Hamilton and was caught napping at that final restart. To think people believed he could challenge Max for the title.

Sky commentary: Usual mistakes and more dreadful “banter”. Stop making me hungry by talking about sweets.
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(1) Ferrari - So. Many. Mistakes. Bad advice to drivers. Bad strategy calls. Bad pit release. Bad looking at computers and not the race. Just awful.

(2) Leclerc - one mistake, but what a mistake...
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Apart from the obvious...
Sky. When banter becomes more important than facts.
Coverage. Partisan when there's action on track?
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Charles Leclerc: Threw away a certain podium and probable win with a silly mistake. Verstappen's championship is very likely now, deservedly.
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Leclerc and Ferrari for all the reasons given above.

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went wrote: 24 Jul 2022, 14:47 1 - Everyone at Ferrari not called Sainz: Another throttle problem? An error by Leclerc? That scream. The unsafe release. "You got a stop and go penalty". "Look, Carlos, we know you're wheel-to-wheel racing with Pérez for P3- we think this is the perfect moment for you to pit". It's beautiful. They aren't going to win anything this season but by god is it enjoyable to watch (unless you do want them to win anything, of course, then it's just painful).
Seems to rather sum up the situation - Leclerc's error was the last thing he needed to do, albeit some have suggested there may have been a throttle issue that might thus point more towards the team screwing up, and things could have gotten very ugly with that unsafe release (because, if Albon had hit Sainz, Sainz probably would have rebounded right into the McLaren mechanic that was waiting for one of their cars). In fact, I am rather annoyed that, considering that it could have been quite a nasty incident, that 5 second penalty was a real slap on the wrist for the team - I really do think the FIA is treating unsafe releases too trivially, and that they won't take harsher action until somebody ends up getting injured because of it.

Their strategy in the latter stages is also a bit odd - I can sort of see a logic if they thought that Sainz could not have made it to the end on those tyres, and pitting him for those mediums did at least ensure he took the point for fastest lap instead of Verstappen (although that really is scant consolation). However, it also guaranteed that Sainz was not going to have a chance to try and pull out a gap between himself and Perez, which might have been enough for him to keep hold of his place given that Perez was struggling a bit for pace near the end - which was surely worth taking a punt on.

Added to that, there are reports that Haas had also wanted to change Schumacher's engine at this race, given he will need to take an engine penalty some time this season - but they could not do so because Ferrari's now run out of engines due to Sainz's blow up in Austria.

Speaking of Haas, I agree that the customer teams for Ferrari had similarly abysmal weekends - Magnussen had a really strong first lap, but the strategy calls meant that it all went to waste, whilst Schumacher was caught up in that clash with Zhou, who then went on to break down himself. Bottas's run was a bit cleaner, but a net 14th when he started 11th is rather underwhelming.

Alpha Tauri also had a bit of a forgettable weekend too - Gasly was kind of nowhere, whilst Tsunoda wasn't able to take advantage of his grid slot and ended up retiring, which was also a rather underwhelming performance.
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mario wrote: 24 Jul 2022, 16:38 I really do think the FIA is treating unsafe releases too trivially, and that they won't take harsher action until somebody ends up getting injured because of it.
This.

Too serious to joke about. The Sky replay of the McLaren mechanic trying to jump backwards showed how close. There was genuine fear in his eyes. How would Sainz or the Williams driver (I missed who it was) have felt if there had been a collision?

If the FIA can put a minimum time on the stop and apply 5 second penalties if it is not exceeded when there is no jeopardy then they can come up with something that (i) significantly reduces the chance of an unsafe release and (ii) makes any punishment for an unsafe release enough to make the teams think hard about how they go about pit-stops.

IMHO that release was worth a 10 sec stop/go penalty. Maybe that should be the norm?

And lets have a slower speed limit in the pits, or perhaps a maximum rate of acceleration, or both?
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1. Charles Leclerc: Anyone would think having a post-Germany-2018 Sebastian Vettel as his first Ferrari team-mate was a curse on him.

2. Unsafe Releases going by some of the previous comments.
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1. Leclerc

2. Ferrari
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All of Ferrari save Sainz. DHM to a lacklustre Checo.
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Ferrari - Hands down. No contest.
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No need for the poll this week, Ferrari left no room for discussion. Leclerc crashes out of the lead after driver error and when David Croft is mocking the other car's strategy in public you probably know you've totally blown it. Sainz could have finished on the podium?
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Leclerc. Lazily spinning out of the lead? Slam dunk ROTR in my eyes.
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1st: Ferrari. Another ROTR, on their way to a possible ROTY if this keeps up. Multiple errors in one race. Oh for the days of Ross Brawn....

2nd: FIA VSC screw up. Hopefully a one off
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In Checo's defense, he had no info from race control during the VSC, so he couldn't see the deltas or the countdown to the green. And since the team was getting conflicting data, they had him go slower to be safe. Cost him a podium easily.

That being said Leclerc/Ferrari have this locked up (and probably ROTY for Ferrari too honestly).

HM: Haas - there was an upgrade, singular, this week. And the potential for a third straight double points finish, which they promptly threw away.

Toto Wolfe - Now I'm sure a lot of this has to do with English not being his first language, but he can't seem to deliver sarcasm. He tried to pull a Horner and stir the shite this weekend by saying that Red Bull's dominance was boring and bad for the sport, but it just came off as whinging. Coupled with his incessant moaning about porpoising, it's just a bad look.
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Wallio wrote: 26 Jul 2022, 16:52 In Checo's defense, he had no info from race control during the VSC, so he couldn't see the deltas or the countdown to the green. And since the team was getting conflicting data, they had him go slower to be safe. Cost him a podium easily.

That being said Leclerc/Ferrari have this locked up (and probably ROTY for Ferrari too honestly).

HM: Haas - there was an upgrade, singular, this week. And the potential for a third straight double points finish, which they promptly threw away.

Toto Wolfe - Now I'm sure a lot of this has to do with English not being his first language, but he can't seem to deliver sarcasm. He tried to pull a Horner and stir the shite this weekend by saying that Red Bull's dominance was boring and bad for the sport, but it just came off as whinging. Coupled with his incessant moaning about porpoising, it's just a bad look.
Some lenience could be given to Perez on that front, but it should be noted that it impacted all of the other drivers on the grid as well, given that the FIA's own automatic system failed and they had to revert to a manual override - it wasn't a problem that only impacted on Perez.

With regards to Wolff, I have some queries over that because, from what I could see, at least some of the comments attributed to him seem to have been quoted out of context, and in some cases being very heavily manipulated to completely change the meaning of the quote.

In one instance, it was claimed that Wolff had made a remark to that effect, but Wolff's original response had actually been rather different. He had been asked about whether the sprint races were working in mixing up the pack, and what he'd actually said was that he thought that the sprint race concept was not working effectively because of the gap between Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes to the midfield pack. There were those spinning it as "Wolff says Red Bull dominance is bad for the sport", but what Wolff was actually saying was "having the same three teams dominating the sport is bad", which is not actually that far off what the broader popular sentiment has been in recent years.
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mario wrote: 26 Jul 2022, 20:56
With regards to Wolff, I have some queries over that because, from what I could see, at least some of the comments attributed to him seem to have been quoted out of context, and in some cases being very heavily manipulated to completely change the meaning of the quote.

In one instance, it was claimed that Wolff had made a remark to that effect, but Wolff's original response had actually been rather different. He had been asked about whether the sprint races were working in mixing up the pack, and what he'd actually said was that he thought that the sprint race concept was not working effectively because of the gap between Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes to the midfield pack. There were those spinning it as "Wolff says Red Bull dominance is bad for the sport", but what Wolff was actually saying was "having the same three teams dominating the sport is bad", which is not actually that far off what the broader popular sentiment has been in recent years.
Ah, ok that could certainly be. And if true, I'd actually agree with him. Sprint weekends suck, even if it seems to be one of the few ways Haas can score points lol.
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You have 48 hours to determine your Reject of the Race! Have at it chaps.
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Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
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