F1 1985+

[Ice1Racing]

Brabham driver #2
Nigel Mansell/Nelson Piquet/Michele Alboreto/Pierluigi Martini/Mike Thackwell

[BioBiro]

Driver Signing Results - Set Two (Of Two)
Female driver, Desiré Wilson, re-signs with Alfa Romeo!

René Arnoux:
Alfa Romeo - 12% chance
Lotus - 23% chance
McLaren - 64% chance (Existing customer bonus)
Lotus gets it!
The Frenchman, who found himself something of a 'number-two' at McLaren last season, instead takes the second seat at Lotus.

Andrea de Cesaris:
Osella Squadra Corse Alfa - 35% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Minardi - 64% chance (Same nationality and existing customer bonus!)
Minardi gets it!

Nigel Mansell:
Alfa Romeo - 8% chance
Ferrari - 13% chance
BMW - 4% chance
McLaren - 45% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Brabham - 27% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Brabham gets it!

Nelson Piquet:
Alfa Romeo - 15% chance
McLaren - 84% chance (Existing customer bonus)
McLaren gets it!

With both seats still empty, McLaren signs Jacques Laffitte!

Michele Albereto:
Alfa Romeo - 20% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Ferrari - 25% chance (Same nationality bonus)
McLaren - 42% chance
Minardi - 11% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Ferrari gets it!

Didier Pironi re-signs with Ferrari, in their third car!

Alfa Romeo have afforded the services of the highly-skilled Patrick Tambay!

Stefan Johansson:
Arrows - 13% chance
Lola - 7% chance
BMW - 78% chance (Existing customer bonus)
BMW gets it!

Eddie Cheever will drive for Lola; an American driver~ in an American team~!

Ricardo Patrese will sit in the second Minardi!

Pierluigi Martini will drive for the Osella Squadra Corse Alfa team!

Arrows retain Alessandro Nannini!

At Zakspeed, Christian Danner will be driving their sole entry!




Everyone's team info and budgets have been adjusted at the start of the thread.



But, before I go, now that everyone's seats are filled, let's take a quick look at the driver line-up for F1 1985~! Drivers staying at their team are highlighted in green font.

Nelson Piquet and Jacques Laffitte will be driving for Marlboro McLaren.
John Watson and Nigel Mansell will be driving for Olivetti Brabham.
Elio de Angelis and René Arnoux will be driving for John Player Special Lotus.
Alain Prost, Michele Albereto and Didier Pironi will be driving for Ferrari.
Derek Warwick and Jean-Pierre Jarier will be driving for Canon Tyrrell BMW.
Desiré Wilson and Patrick Tambay will be driving for DeLonghi Alfa Romeo.
Manfred Winkelhock and Stefan Johansson will be driving for BMW.
Ayrton Senna and Steffan Bellof will be driving for Williams.
Keke Rosberg and Alessandro Nannini will be driving for Beatrice Arrows.
Teo Fabi and Pierluigi Martini will be driving for Osella Squadra Corse Alfa.
Alan Jones and Thierry Boutsen will be driving for Barclay Toleman Hart.
Corrado Fabi will be driving for Spirit Hart.
Alain Ferté and Philippe Streiff will be driving for Ligier.
Andrea de Cesaris and Ricardo Patrese will be driving for Minardi Ferrari.
Derek Daly will be driving for RAM Hart.
Christian Danner will be driving for Zakspeed.
Eddie Cheever will be driving for Lola.

[Aislabie]

Excellent results from that driver signing; now it's time to hoover up some sponsors so that we can afford to mount a title bid.

[BioBiro]

Sponsor Signing – Set Two (Of Two)
OK~, OK~, nobody panic~! Last chance to secure sponsorship income for the season!

A quick overview of who can take part in this phase of sponsor signing:

McLaren
Brabham
Ferrari
Alfa Romeo
… all have one supplementary slot vacant.

Tyrrell
Arrows
Minardi
… all have two supplementary slots vacant.

BMW
Toleman
RAM
… all have three supplementary slots vacant.

Williams
… have their team slot vacant and three supplementary slots vacant.


To attempt signing of a sponsor, simply state the sponsor's name.

An example of signing sponsors:

Code: Select all

Team KFTN would like to sign the following sponsors:
West
Gitanes
Shell
Zerowatt
USF&G

As before, you may list a maximum of seven sponsors.


Formula One seems to enjoying something of a golden-era of easily-acquirable sponsorship, with a combined sponsorship market between both phases of close-to half-a-billion pounds!


Team Sponsors
Simod, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Fashion, Income for season: £12,000,000
Elledi Wafers, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Food, Income for season: £8,000,000
Benetton, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Fashion, Income for season: £11,500,000
Gilmar, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Fashion, Income for season: £10,500,000
West, Nationality: German, Industry: Tobacco, Income for season: £13,500,000
Rombo, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Publishing, Income for season: £10,500,000
Gitanes, Nationality: French, Industry: Tobacco, Income for season: £9,000,000. Note: only available to French teams.
Kelémata, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Cosmetics, Income for season: £10,500,000

Supplementary Sponsors
ICI Tactel, Nationality: British, Industry: Industrial, Income for season: £6,500,000. Note: only available to British teams.
Pirelli, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Tyre, Income for season: £250,000. Note: only available to teams with Pirelli tyre supply deal.
Pirelli, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Tyre, Income for season: £250,000. Note: only available to teams with Pirelli tyre supply deal.
Pirelli, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Tyre, Income for season: £250,000. Note: only available to teams with Pirelli tyre supply deal.
Pirelli, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Tyre, Income for season: £250,000. Note: only available to teams with Pirelli tyre supply deal.
Pirelli, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Tyre, Income for season: £250,000. Note: only available to teams with Pirelli tyre supply deal.
Pirelli, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Tyre, Income for season: £250,000. Note: only available to teams with Pirelli tyre supply deal.
Pirelli, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Tyre, Income for season: £250,000. Note: only available to teams with Pirelli tyre supply deal.
Sàntal, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Food, Income for season: £2,500,000. Note: only available to team with Nelson Piquet.
Hercules, Nationality: United States, Industry: Industrial, Income for season: £2,500,000
Europcar, Nationality: French, Industry: Automobile, Income for season: £3,000,000
Zerowatt, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Appliance, Income for season: £1,500,000. Note: only available to team with Candy sponsorship.
Sisley, Nationality: French, Industry: Cosmetics, Income for season: £1,800,000. Note: only available to team with Benetton sponsorship.
Vitatop, Nationality: United States, Industry: Food, Income for season: £5,000,000
Fusilade, Nationality: British, Industry: Industrial, Income for season: £3,000,000
Elf, Nationality: French, Industry: Petroleum, Income for season: £300,000. Note: only available to teams with Elf fuel supply deal.
Elf, Nationality: French, Industry: Petroleum, Income for season: £300,000. Note: only available to teams with Elf fuel supply deal.
Fondmetal, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Automobile, Income for season: £5,000,000
Castrol, Nationality: British, Industry: Petroleum, Income for season: £300,000. Note: only available to teams with Castrol fuel supply deal.
Sol, Nationality: Mexican, Industry: Alcohol, Income for season: £3,500,000
Olympus, Nationality: Japanese, Industry: Optics, Income for season: £6,500,000. Note: will not sign with the Spirit team, due to previous poor performance.
Shell, Nationality: Dutch, Industry: Petroleum, Income for season: £400,000. Note: only available to teams with Shell fuel supply deal.
Shell, Nationality: Dutch, Industry: Petroleum, Income for season: £400,000. Note: only available to teams with Shell fuel supply deal.
Parfums Victor, Nationality: Dutch, Industry: Cosmetics, Income for season: £4,000,000
BOSCH, Nationality: German, Industry: Automobile, Income for season: £8,750,000. Note: deprives team of first six D&T opportunities (at no additional cost), due to requiring attendance at media and press events for car launch.
Divarese, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Fashion, Income for season: £1,450,000. Note: only available to team with Benetton sponsorship.
Samson, Nationality: United States, Industry: Luggage, Income for season: £5,000,000
Agip, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Petroleum, Income for season: £500,000. Note: only available to teams with Agip fuel supply deal.
Agip, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Petroleum, Income for season: £500,000. Note: only available to teams with Agip fuel supply deal.
Agip, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Petroleum, Income for season: £500,000. Note: only available to teams with Agip fuel supply deal.
Agip, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Petroleum, Income for season: £500,000. Note: only available to teams with Agip fuel supply deal.
Resta, Nationality: Italian, Industry: Industrial, Income for season: £6,000,000. Note: only available to Italian teams, but will not sign with Minardi due to previous poor performance.
USF&G, Nationality: United States, Industry: Insurance, Income for season: £6,500,000
Koni, Nationality: Dutch, Industry: Automobile, Income for season: £2,500,000
BP, Nationality: British, Industry: Petroleum, Income for season: £1,250,000. Note: only available to British teams with Shell fuel supply deal, as fuel rebranding.
Maredo, Nationality: German, Industry: Food, Income for season: £2,000,000
Patra, Nationality: Australian, Industry: Food, Income for season: £900,000. Note: only available to team with Beatrice sponsorship.
Goodyear, Nationality: United States, Industry: Tyre, Income for season: £600,000. Note: only available to teams with Goodyear tyre supply deal.
Goodyear, Nationality: United States, Industry: Tyre, Income for season: £600,000. Note: only available to teams with Goodyear tyre supply deal.
Goodyear, Nationality: United States, Industry: Tyre, Income for season: £600,000. Note: only available to teams with Goodyear tyre supply deal.
Goodyear, Nationality: United States, Industry: Tyre, Income for season: £600,000. Note: only available to teams with Goodyear tyre supply deal.
Goodyear, Nationality: United States, Industry: Tyre, Income for season: £600,000. Note: only available to teams with Goodyear tyre supply deal.
Newsweek, Nationality: United States, Industry: Publishing, Income for season: £4,000,000
Antar, Nationality: French, Industry: Petroleum, Income for season: £150,000. Note: only available to team with Antar fuel supply

[DemocalypseNow]

Ferrari will attempt to fill their remaining supplementary spot in the following order;

Resta
Olympus
Fondmetal
Newsweek
Koni
Goodyear

[This Could Be You]

Arrows Sponsor bids:
1. USF&G
2. ICI Tactel
3. Fondmetal
4. Fusilade
5. Hercules
6. Patra
7. Goodyear

[andrew]

1. ICI tactel (I can dream)
2. Pirelli
3. Fusilade
4. Vitatop
5. Sol
6. Olympus
7. USF&G

[Peteroli34]

Alfa Romeo

Olympus
Resta
USF&G
Fondmetal
Newsweek
Koni
Goodyear

[Aislabie]

Minardi Sponsorship Applications
BOSCH
Fondmetal
Olympus
USF&G
Samson
Agip
Pirelli

Due to the lack of Italian sponsors for which we are eligible, we have been forced to look a little further afield

[BioBiro]

Minardi Sponsorship Applications
...
Due to the lack of Italian sponsors for which we are eligible, we have been forced to look a little further afield

I still think that was one of the most outlandish scams, ever.

And finally, a quick review of every team's sponsorship income combined from both phases, for 1984:
...
Minardi Alfa Romeo signed a total sponsorship income of £15,000,000.

Your sponsors paid you fifteen million of the Queen's pounds to run your 1984 campaign, and then as soon as the money was in your account, you stuck two fingers up at them!

Minardi Alfa Romeo wish to begin focussing on next year's car immediately with the aim of becoming a midfield team next season. Though we are aware that this could really hamper us for this season, we are prepared to play the long game with the goal of being a midfield runner next season.

"We've got your money safe and sound, mate, but don't think we'll be spending a penny on this~ year's car!"

[Aislabie]

I still think that was one of the most outlandish scams, ever.

Your sponsors paid you fifteen million of the Queen's pounds to run your 1984 campaign, and then as soon as the money was in your account, you stuck two fingers up at them!

"We've got your money safe and sound, mate, but don't think we'll be spending a penny on this~ year's car!"

Yeah, it wasn't supposed to work out like that until I properly had a look at just how dreadful the '84 car was. And in fairness, I think it's worked out pretty well - we sank millions into the '85 car and if I play my cards right now we could be right in the Championship fight. A bit better than the real-life M185.

I completely see why the sponsors might have been a bit peeved with us though. They didn't get much screen-time in the end.

At the end of the day, my only real concern are the welfare and prospects of the Minardi Formula One team.

[Collieafc]

Williams bids:
West (Assuming this is a given due to no other possible bidders?)
ICI
USF&G
Olympus
Vitatop
Samson
Parfuns victor

[BioBiro]

Williams bids:
West (Assuming this is a given due to no other possible bidders?)

Yes, it is .

[Ice1Racing]

Brabham Bids
Olympus/ICI Tactel/Samson/Fondmetal/Vitatop

[FantometteBR]

McLaren Bids

ICI Tactel
Fondmetal
Olympus
Goodyear
Europcar
Koni

[RedEyes504]

BMW Bids
1. ICI Tactel
2. USF&G
3. Olympus
4. BOSCH
5. Parfums Victor
6. Fondmetal
7. Sol

[BioBiro]

@BMW/RedEyes504

1. ICI Tactel

I'm afraid this sponsor is not applicable to the German BMW team:

ICI Tactel, Nationality: British, Industry: Industrial, Income for season: £6,500,000. Note: only available to British teams.

Would you like to pick another?

You've got time to do so, as the Tyrrell and Toleman teams are still choosing their sponsors.

[V8fan12]

Tyrrell would like to sign the following sponsors:
1. ICI Tactel
2. Olympus
3. USF&G
4. Fondmetal
5. Newsweek
6. Parfums Victor
7. Sol

[RedEyes504]

We'll remove ICI and bid for Vitatop instead.

[Dexter249]

Toleman will try to sign
ICI Tactel
Europcar
Samson
USF&G
Koni
Newsweek

[BioBiro]

Sponsor Signing Results - Set Two (Of Two)
Williams will receive title sponsorship from West, this year!

RAM sign sponsorship from Pirelli tyres!

ICI Tactel:
Arrows - 8% chance (Same nationality bonus)
RAM - 7% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Williams - 9% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Brabham - 18% chance (Same nationality bonus)
McLaren - 32% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Tyrrell - 15% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Toleman - 8% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Brabham gets it!

Resta:
Ferrari - 56% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Alfa Romeo - 43% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Alfa Romeo gets it!

Resta are Alfa's second choice, so we now roll for their preferred sponsor:
Olympus:
Ferrari - 16% chance
RAM - 1% chance
Alfa Romeo - 10% chance
Minardi - 1% chance
Williams - 4% chance
McLaren - 46% chance
BMW - 5% chance
Tyrrell - 12% chance
Tyrrell gets it!

... which also means that Alfa Romeo sign Resta.

BOSCH:
Minardi - 8% chance
BMW - 91% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Minardi gets it!

USF&G:
Arrows - 9% chance
RAM - 5% chance
Minardi - 5% chance
Williams - 15% chance
BMW - 17% chance
Tyrrell - 40% chance
Toleman - 6% chance
BMW gets it!

Vitatop:
RAM - 13% chance
Williams - 40% chance
BMW - 45% chance
BMW gets it!

Fusilade:0
Arrows - 52% chance (Same nationality bonus)
RAM - 47% chance (Same nationality bonus)
RAM gets it!

Arrows sign the American Hercules company!

Fondmetal:
Ferrari - 25% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Arrows - 2% chance
Minardi - 11% chance (Same nationality bonus)
McLaren - 42% chance
BMW - 5% chance
Tyrrell - 11% chance
McLaren gets it!

The Toleman team sign sponsorship from Europcar.

Arrows sign Patra, to accompany their team sponsorship from Beatrice foods!

Samson:
Minardi - 19% chance
Williams - 57% chance
Toleman - 23% chance
Williams gets it!

Minardi gain Agip sponsorship money.

Newsweek:
Ferrari - 53% chance
Tyrrell - 40% chance
Toleman - 6% chance
Ferrari gets it!

Koni signs with the Toleman team!

Parfums Victor:
Williams - 14% chance
BMW - 48% chance (Existing customer bonus)
Tyrrell - 37% chance
Williams gets it!

... and finally~...

Sol:
RAM - 8% chance
BMW - 27% chance
Tyrrell - 63% chance
Tyrrell gets it!



tl;dr

West Williams signed West, Samson and Parfums Victor for a total sponsorship income of £22,500,000.
BMW signed USF&G and Vitatop for a total sponsorship income of £11,500,000.
Canon Tyrrell signed Olympus and Sol for a total sponsorship income of £10,000,000.
Minardi signed BOSCH and Agip for a total sponsorship income of £9,250,000.
Olivetti Brabham signed ICI Tactel for a total sponsorship income of £6,500,000.
DeLonghi Alfa Romeo signed Resta for a total sponsorship income of £6,000,000.
Barclay Toleman signed Europcar and Koni for a total sponsorship income of £5,500,000.
Marlboro McLaren signed Fondmetal for a total sponsorship income of £5,000,000.
Ferrari signed Newsweek for a total sponsorship income of £4,000,000.
Beatrice Arrows signed Hercules and Patra for a total sponsorship income of £3,400,000.
RAM signed Pirelli and Fusilade for a total sponsorship income of £3,250,000.

And finally, a quick review of every team's sponsorship income combined from both phases, for 1985:

Olivetti Brabham signed a total sponsorship income of £32,500,000.
Canon Tyrrell signed a total sponsorship income of £28,500,000.
DeLonghi Alfa Romeo signed a total sponsorship income of £26,500,000.
Marlboro McLaren signed a total sponsorship income of £23,000,000.
West Williams signed a total sponsorship income of £22,500,000. They will contest 1985 with one unfilled supplementary slot.
John Player Special Lotus signed a total sponsorship income of £21,000,000.
Minardi signed a total sponsorship income of £19,250,000.
Zakspeed signed a total sponsorship income of £18,000,000.
Osella Squadra Corse Alfa signed a total sponsorship income of £17,500,000.
Beatrice Arrows signed a total sponsorship income of £17,400,000.
Barclay Toleman signed a total sponsorship income of £16,500,000. They will contest 1985 with one unfilled supplementary slot.
Ligier signed a total sponsorship income of £16,250,000.
Lola signed a total sponsorship income of £16,000,000.
Spirit signed a total sponsorship income of £12,000,000.
BMW signed a total sponsorship income of £11,500,000. They will contest 1985 with one unfilled supplementary slot.
Ferrari signed a total sponsorship income of £11,000,000.
RAM signed a total sponsorship income of £9,750,000. They will contest 1985 with one unfilled supplementary slot.

For anyone curious (like me), here are the total combined sponsorship incomes with manufacturer income included:

Olivetti Brabham signed a total sponsorship income of £32,500,000.
Ferrari signed a total sponsorship income, including manufacturer support, of £30,750,000.
Canon Tyrrell signed a total sponsorship income of £28,500,000.
DeLonghi Alfa Romeo signed a total sponsorship income of £26,500,000.
BMW signed a total sponsorship income, including manufacturer support, of £26,600,000.
Marlboro McLaren signed a total sponsorship income of £23,000,000.
West Williams signed a total sponsorship income of £22,500,000.
John Player Special Lotus signed a total sponsorship income of £21,000,000.
Osella Squadra Corse Alfa signed a total sponsorship income, including manufacturer support, of £21,000,000.
Minardi signed a total sponsorship income of £19,250,000.
Zakspeed signed a total sponsorship income of £18,000,000.
Beatrice Arrows signed a total sponsorship income of £17,400,000.
Barclay Toleman signed a total sponsorship income of £16,500,000.
Ligier signed a total sponsorship income of £16,250,000.
Lola signed a total sponsorship income of £16,000,000.
Spirit signed a total sponsorship income of £12,000,000.
RAM signed a total sponsorship income of £9,750,000.

[Aislabie]

Happily shocked that we got Bosch

[BioBiro]

Engine Signing - Set Two (Of Two)
Hello and welcome to the final phase of engine signing, and the final phase of signing anything for 1985, now! After this, we'll soon be going racing~!

Teams without an engine deal for 1985 who need to submit their wishlist are:

• McLaren
• Brabham
• Lotus
• Williams
• Arrows
• Ligier
• Lola (will receive a 25% discount on the price offered, due to being a single-car entry)

Engine prices are non-negotiable. To submit your interest in an engine deal, simply state the engine manufacturer, unit/model name, and deal you would prefer, like this:

Code: Select all

My team would like to sign one of the below engine suppliers, in order of preference:
Renault EF4B - Customer
Honda RA165E - Semi-Works
Ford Cosworth DFY - Works

What do these deal types mean?


Works engine deals…

• Do allow you to dictate the direction of the engine's development.
• Engine development & testing is available to you.
• You will receive upgrades throughout the season.

Semi-works engine deals…

• Do not allow you to dictate the direction of the engine's development.
• Engine development & testing is available to you.
• You will receive upgrades throughout the season, at approximately half the rate the works team receives them.

Customer engine deals…

• Do not allow you to dictate the direction of the engine's development.
• Engine development & testing is not available to you.
• You will not receive upgrades throughout the season.

Here's the engines, including some old stock from Renault~:


Porsche TTE PO1
Nationality: German
1.5L V6 Turbocharged
750HP, 144kg, 80% Reliability
Deals offered:
Works – £9,660,000

Renault EF4B
Nationality: French
1.5L V6 Turbocharged
750HP, 180kg, 60% Reliability
Deals offered:
Customer – £4,499,999

Renault EF4
Nationality: French
1.5L V6 Turbocharged
700HP, 171kg, 80% Reliability
Deals offered:
Customer – £3,499,999
Customer – £3,499,999

Motori Moderni Tipo 615-90
Nationality: Italian
1.5L V6 Turbocharged
720HP, 172kg, 35% Reliability
Deals offered:
Works – £2,300,000 - Requirement: must be an Italian team.

Honda RA165E
Nationality: Japanese
1.5L V6 Turbocharged
800HP, 150kg, 60% Reliability
Deals offered:
Semi-Works – £5,800,000


Engines left-over from phase one, still available on the market:

BMW M14
Nationality: German
1.5L Inline/Straight 4 Turbocharged
935HP, 153kg, 55% Reliability
Deals offered:
Semi-Works – £7,600,000 – Requirement: must have at least one German driver.

Alfa Romeo 890T
Nationality: Italian
1.5L V8 Turbocharged
780HP, 155kg, 55% Reliability
Deals offered:
Customer – £3,900,000 - Requirement: must have at least one Italian driver.
Customer – £3,900,000 - Requirement: must have at least one Italian driver.

Ford Cosworth DFY
Nationality: British
3L V8 Naturally Aspirated
520HP, 139kg, 95% Reliability
Deals offered:
Works – £4,200,000

[This Could Be You]

Arrows Engine Bids:

1. Porsche TTE-PO1 (well, we can actually afford it this time! )
2. Honda RA165E
3. Alfa Romeo 890T
4. Renault EF4B

[Dom_Wings]

Lola

1. Honda RA165E
2. Renault EF4B
3. Renault EF4
4. Porsche TTE PO1
5. Ford Cosworth DFY

[This Could Be You]

Here's the second batch of 1985 liveries, following the conclusion of sponsor signing:
BMW:

(I've had to think completely originally on this one, with an entirely clean slate! Trust me, it was awful.)
Ferrari:

Minardi:

(You may notice that the M185's sidepods a a bit larger than in real-life, to accomodate the massive Ferrari 015T lump)
Tyrrell:

(Curse you, sidepod vent! It would have had a nice large Canon logo like the RL Williams otherwise)
Toleman:

(Strangely, this looks far better than the RL Barclay Arrows design for some reason)

The RAM and Alfa will be completed soon-ish and then I am just waiting on engine signing...

UPDATE: here's the RAM:


UPDATE #2: and here's the Alfa:

(Looks like a poor man's Osella, and in all honesty I never thought I'd ever write that, even on this site)

[Ice1Racing]

Brabham Engine bids -
Porsche TTE PO1 (works)/BMW M14 (s-works)/Honda RA165E (s-works)/Renault EF4B

[BioBiro]

Brabham Engine bids -
[..]BMW M14 (s-works)[...]

As neither John Watson nor Nigel Mansell can lay claim to much in the way of German ancestry, I must scratch this bid from the Brabham team.

[thor97]

Lotus
Porsche TTE PO1-Works
Honda RA165E - Semi-Works
Renault EF4B-Customer
Ford Cosworth DFY - Works
Alfa Romeo 890T-Customer

[TheFlyingCaterham]

UPDATE #2: and here's the Alfa:

(Looks like a poor man's Osella, and in all honesty I never thought I'd ever write that, even on this site)

Perhaps what's worse is that we're their junior team as well

[Aislabie]

(You may notice that the M185's sidepods a a bit larger than in real-life, to accomodate the massive Ferrari 015T lump)

[DemocalypseNow]

Ferrari will attempt to sign an engine deal with the Motori Moderni Tipo 61.....nah wait hang about.

Ferrari:

Makes me wish I'd just gone for Agip now. Without the extra yellow/black the car looks so plain!

[Nessafox]

Ligier would like to sign one of the below engine suppliers, in order of preference:
1 Renault EF4 - customer
2 Renault EF4B - customer
3 Ford Cosworth DFY

well yeah, not much choices i'm afraid...

[This Could Be You]

While designing the liveries, I had an idea- considering the point of this site, it might be interesting to see which drivers/teams unrejectify themselves in this simulation, (or stay as rejects) contrary to reality. As such I have compiled these statistics for 1984 and going into 1985, primarily as I have absolutely nothing to do.

1984:
Reject Drivers prior to the season
Ayrton Senna
Stefan Bellof
Desire Wilson
Pierluigi Martini
Martin Brundle
Thierry Boutsen
Alessandro Nannini
Manfred Winklehock
Chico Serra
Philippe Streiff
Stefan Johansson
Piercarlo Ghinzani
Roberto Guerrero
Guido Dacco
Corrado Fabi (not elgible for points in '84)
(this has to be a record...)

Reject Constuctors prior to the season
ATS
Osella
Spirit
RAM
Minardi

Driver Unrejectifications in 1984
Martin Brundle (South Africa, 3rd)
Desire Wilson (San Marino, 1st)
Pierluigi Martini (Monaco, 4th)
Stefan Bellof (Britain, 4th)
Stefan Johansson (Austria, 2nd)
Alessandro Nannini (Italy, 4th)
Ayrton Senna (Italy, 6th)

Constructor Unrejectifications in 1984
ATS (Canada, 5th and 6th)

1985

Reject Drivers prior to the season
Thierry Boutsen
Manfred Winklehock
Teo Fabi
Corrado Fabi
Alain Ferte
Philippe Streiff
Christian Danner

Reject Constructors prior to the season
BMW (yes, i'm counting them the same way as Toleman/Benetton/Renault/Lotus/Renault)
Minardi
Osella
Spirit
RAM
Zakspeed
Lola

This page will be updated as drivers and teams unrejectify themselves over the season (hopefully...)

UPDATE: 1985 has now had its first unrejectification, Minardi
UPDATE 2: BMW has now unrejectified itself for a second consecutive season, having done so as ATS last year. This also unrejectifies their driver, Manfred Winklehock, the first to do so this season.

Driver Unrejectifications in 1985:
Manfred Winklehock (Samba (German), 3rd)

Constructor Unrejectifications in 1985:
Minardi (Britain, 2nd)
BMW (Samba (German), 3rd)

[FantometteBR]

McLaren's engine bids

1-Honda RA165E (semi-works)
2-Porsche TTE PO1 (works)
3-Renault EF4 (customer)
4-Ford Cosworth DFY (works)

[Collieafc]

Williams will go for:
Porsche works
BMW semi works
Honda semi works

[BioBiro]

While designing the liveries, I had an idea- considering the point of this site, it might be interesting to see which drivers/teams unrejectify themselves in this simulation, (or stay as rejects) contrary to reality. As such I have compiled these statistics for 1984 and going into 1985, primarily as I have absolutely nothing to do.

Thank you for this data! I look forward to reading it again by the end of the season, although I understand that it is a lot of work to keep updated.

I have provided a link to your specific post in the post at the start of this thread, so people can get back here a bit lively in future.

And thank you also for the lovely liveries . They seem to feature just a touch~, of loveartistic license, a little bit~!

Do you intend to pursue a career in graphic design, or a similar industry, after your education? If you opened your own studio, you could call it... 'This Could Be Your Graphic Design Studio'?

[BioBiro]

Engine Signing Results - Set Two (Of Two)
Porsche TTE PO1 - Works:
Arrows - 2% chance
Lola - 1% chance
Brabham - 19% chance
Lotus - 18% chance
Williams - 14% chance (Existing customer bonus)
McLaren - 42% chance
Brabham gets it!

Williams will enjoy the BMW M14 engine, on a semi-works understanding, this season!

Honda RA165E - Semi-Works:
Arrows - 3% chance
Lola - 1% chance
Lotus - 24% chance
McLaren - 69% chance (Existing customer bonus)
McLaren gets it!

Renault EF4B - Customer:
Arrows - 6% chance
Lola - 3% chance
Lotus - 64% chance (Existing customer bonus)
Ligier - 26% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Ligier gets it!

The year-old EF4Bs are Ligier's second-choice, so we now roll for their first choice, the...

... Customer Renault EF4s:
Lola - 11% chance
Ligier - 88% chance (Same nationality bonus)
Ligier gets it!

Congratulations, Ligier team! We now re-roll the EF4Bs, sans the French team.

Renault EF4B - Customer:
Arrows - 8% chance
Lola - 4% chance
Lotus - 87% chance (Existing customer bonus)
Lotus gets it!

This means that the American Lola team will receive the second supply of old customer Renault EF4 units!

And~, last but totally not least, the ever-popular Arrows team will use current-specification Alfa Romeo 890T engines, on a customer basis.



tl;dr

Marlboro McLaren Honda signed Honda RA165E – Semi-Works engines.
Olivetti Brabham Porsche signed Porsche TTE PO1 – Works engines.
John Player Special Lotus Renault signed Renault EF4B – Customer engines.
West Williams BMW signed BMW M14 – Semi-Works engines.
Beatrice Arrows Alfa Romeo signed Alfa Romeo 890T – Customer engines.
Ligier Renault signed Renault EF4 – Customer engines.
Lola Renault signed Renault EF4 – Customer engines.

Please also enjoy a new 'power-to-weight ratio' ranking added to the rankings posts, here; it includes both lbs-per-horsepower, and kilowatts-per-kilogram, for new - and old - schoolers .

The Motori Moderni Tipo 615-90 engine will go unused, for 1985 :sadface:.

[BioBiro]

Setting Direction of Engines' Development
Before we go racing, we just need to do a tiny bit of housekeeping.

Now that everyone has got an engine supplier sorted out, works engine teams need to pick the direction of their engine's development.

We need to do this, because otherwise the following could happen:

1. A works and semi-works team are signed for an engine supplier.
2. By default, all directions of development are 'not set'.
3. After race one, only the semi-works team performs engine D&T (in the works team's direction of development).
4. Null pointer exception.

Works teams (or in the absence of a works team, the manufacturer) are free to change the direction of their engine any time - and however many times - they like, throughout the season; simply let me know with a post in this thread.

Honda - once again - did not offer a works contract, opting to retain control over their engine, no matter what. They have chosen to increase the reliability of their engine, and therefore any development done on the engine by McLaren will be in that direction.

The direction of all works engines in use for 1985 are listed below the 'Re-use of Legacy Car' section, at the start of the thread.


Possible directions of engine development:

• Increase horsepower
• Reduce weight
• Increase reliability

To set the direction of your works engine's development, simply do so like this:

Code: Select all

MyTeam would like to set the direction of MyEngine's development to: reduce weight.

The following teams need to set the direction of development of their works engines:

• Brabham (Porsche TTE PO1)
• Ferrari (Ferrari Tipo 031/2)
• Alfa Romeo (Alfa Romeo 890T)
• BMW (BMW M14)
• Minardi (Ferrari 015T)
• Zakspeed (Zakspeed 1500/4)

[DemocalypseNow]

Ferrari would like to set the direction of the Tipo 031/2's development to: reduce weight.