The 2014 'Max For 25' Monaco Grand Prix Thread

Post by **Ataxia** » 21 May 2014, 13:13

BigG80 wrote:Ataxia, hope this helps!

MELODICA! THAT was it...bathplug, I thought it was mellotron, but I looked it up and it wasn't that. Thank you!

I'm not sure if it's been lost in the thread somehow (I should apologise for my bit last night, I was being a touch facetious about the whole thing...) but you may have noticed that Red Bull have been ordered to change their nose camera mountings to an outboard system since the FOM broadcasters were unhappy with the picture the internal one gave.

Since I've got the day off work tomorrow, I guess I can sit in and watch the practice sessions!

BigG80 · Post by **BigG80** » 21 May 2014, 15:16

No problem. I actually only knew that one because I googled it to find out. :oops:

The rest I knew!

I hadn't seen that news on the Red Bull cameras. I can't say I'm at all surprised really. The original mounting position was a bit of a mickeytake really, I remember seeing a few seconds of footage from the camera at one of the early races when the car was in the garage and it was pretty rubbish.

Post by **Londoner** » 21 May 2014, 15:47

Adam Cooper becomes F1 Rejects's public enemy number one with this quote. :evil:

When the revolution comes, he'll be amongst the first to be put in the stocks.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 21 May 2014, 15:53

East Londoner wrote:Adam Cooper becomes F1 Rejects's public enemy number one with this quote.

When the revolution comes, he'll be amongst the first to be put in the stocks.

Stone the heretic!

Also, what's with this place going totally bonkers every summer? Seriously, last year it was 3 months of nonstop bitching, and we've already begun it would seem...

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 21 May 2014, 16:10

East Londoner wrote:Adam Cooper becomes F1 Rejects's public enemy number one with this quote.

When the revolution comes, he'll be amongst the first to be put in the stocks.

He doesn't grasp the excellence of Talent! :evil:

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 21 May 2014, 16:22

Remember when elitism over minor posts wasn't so prevalent here? Those were the days...

Post by **Ataxia** » 21 May 2014, 16:40

As I said, I'm sorry for my part in yesterday's affairs. I was being a facetious dick. If I offended anyone, I'm NOT sorry because we're all (for the most part) adults and therefore should be able to get over it, but I DO apologise for any "cuntery".

The way I see it though is that any simple questions that COULD be answered elsewhere is done so, lest it look like cynical post-boosting. If it is genuinely a conversation piece, then you've got to make sure it's not taken in any other way. That's all I have to say. I guess I just appreciate quality posts about F1.

Now please, let's draw a line under it. It's the Monaco Grand Prix, after all...

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 21 May 2014, 16:56

I'm more than happy to move on, mostly as one of the guys who started the forum in the first place appears to agree that this place is more than just a forum, its about community and all the things that that entails, no matter what others may think. I guess if our glorious leader thinks the same way as us its fairly irrelevant what a minority of others think hey? Pity though, I was looking forward to some messages in the inbox.

As for Adam Cooper, well, I'm sure he thinks he's very funny and clever by skillfully juxtaposing away like that by I just found it a bit insulting and lazy.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 21 May 2014, 21:34

Ataxia wrote:As I said, I'm sorry for my part in yesterday's affairs. I was being a facetious dick. If I offended anyone, I'm NOT sorry because we're all (for the most part) adults and therefore should be able to get over it, but I DO apologise for any "cuntery".

The way I see it though is that any simple questions that COULD be answered elsewhere is done so, lest it look like cynical post-boosting. If it is genuinely a conversation piece, then you've got to make sure it's not taken in any other way. That's all I have to say. I guess I just appreciate quality posts about F1.

Now please, let's draw a line under it. It's the Monaco Grand Prix, after all...

I'm not really all that offended. As it turns out, several people had the same question as me, and we now all have the answer right in front of us in this thread. Moving on...

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 21 May 2014, 21:57

I like this quote, even if it could be exactly meaningless.

Reuters wrote:On the last three occasions that a team has started a season with five straight wins - Ferrari in 2004 and Williams in 1996 and 1992 - the run has bust in Monaco.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 22 May 2014, 03:17

good_Ralf wrote:I like this quote, even if it could be exactly meaningless.

Reuters wrote:On the last three occasions that a team has started a season with five straight wins - Ferrari in 2004 and Williams in 1996 and 1992 - the run has bust in Monaco.

Lets see:

1992: Mansell had a puncture with 7 laps to go, but finished in second. Patrese finished in third.
1996: Hill's engine blew up while leading comfortably. Villeneuve crashed while lapping Badoer.
2004: Schumacher crashed with Montoya during Safety car. Barrichello finished in third position.

-In all three races had a lot of retirements.
-In all three races had a Briton in the podium.
-In all three races had, at least, two drivers from Europe in the podium.
-In all three races had a back maker team scoring, at least, a point.
-All the "first drivers" of dominant team won the championship in that year.

AustralianStig · Post by **AustralianStig** » 22 May 2014, 03:31

I was reading that a decent-sized section of the track (from Casino Square to the tunnel) has been re-surfaced, and drivers are expecting the softs to be difficult to switch on through that section.

I can't remember looking forward to a race more!

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 22 May 2014, 08:18

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
rachel1990 wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Rain is forecast for Sunday...

which means it won't appear now. And even if we did it would be nearly dry anyway before the driers are even allowed anywhere near it.

Thanks for dampening our hopes

The forecast has changed to cloudy and sunny. I fully expect when I check next it will be just sunny.

Seriously, is the weather section on the official F1 site preset to show rain on raceday during the run-up only to change to sun as we get to the race?

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 22 May 2014, 09:19

CoopsII wrote:Seriously, is the weather section on the official F1 site preset to show rain on raceday during the run-up only to change to sun as we get to the race?

Yeah, they try to lure in viewers with that.

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 22 May 2014, 09:34

Max Chilton 7.2 seconds off the pace. DNQ possible :lol:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 22 May 2014, 11:24

AxelP800 wrote:Max Chilton 7.2 seconds off the pace. DNQ possible

It's only FP1. He's luring people into a false sense of security...

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 22 May 2014, 11:32

dr-baker wrote:
AxelP800 wrote:Max Chilton 7.2 seconds off the pace. DNQ possible

It's only FP1. He's luring people into a false sense of security...

He will pounce when everybody writes him off. It is still too early for that though as there still exists a fair amount of people who expects him to do good. But Adam Cooper is not one of them, clearly.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 22 May 2014, 11:55

AxelP800 wrote:Max Chilton 7.2 seconds off the pace. DNQ possible

Yeah, because he spun and didn't get much running. He'll qualify.

Fetzie · Post by **Fetzie** » 22 May 2014, 12:26

Ataxia wrote:How do I make a bechamel sauce?

1 heaped tablespoon butter, 2 heaped tablespoons plain white flour. Melt the butter in a warm saucepan, and mix in the flour until the mixture turns a deep yellow and goes gooey. Add ~100ml of milk to the hot saucepan and whisk it. You can add a tablespoon of corn-flour dissolved in water to the milk to make sure it doesn't curdle. When the roux (the gooey yellow stuff) is completely dissolved in the milk, add another 400ml of milk to the pan and bring it almost to a boil. The sauce will thicken. You should now add some salt and white pepper to season it. You can add some chopped Mozzarella if you want the sauce to take on a gooey-stringy consistency or grated parmesan for flavour. Never stop stirring the sauce until you turn the heat off it. Takes about 15 minutes.

Why did the onion soup I made a few weeks ago taste so bitter?

You burned the onions instead of caramelizing them.

Back on topic: I don't think I'm alone in thinking that this is the only race in the season where a Renault engine has a chance of winning if they get on Pole, am I (and that is only because half the race will be behind a safety car and overtaking will be almost impossible for the rest of the race).

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 22 May 2014, 12:48

Shizuka wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Seriously, is the weather section on the official F1 site preset to show rain on raceday during the run-up only to change to sun as we get to the race?

Yeah, they try to lure in viewers with that.

That's actually kind of brilliant. :lol:

I daresay that unless Merc doesn't lock out the front row or get both cars wiped out on the first lap, that they'll win this one -- maybe not a 1-2, but they'll win.

Post by **mario** » 22 May 2014, 18:52

Fetzie wrote:Back on topic: I don't think I'm alone in thinking that this is the only race in the season where a Renault engine has a chance of winning if they get on Pole, am I (and that is only because half the race will be behind a safety car and overtaking will be almost impossible for the rest of the race).

I agree that the relatively unique characteristics of Monaco do increase the odds of a Renault powered car winning - McNish has commented that the Red Bull's do look very competitive this weekend, even if they lack the compliance of the Mercedes cars over the bumps. Riccardo's times so far have been rather quick, and Vettel can't be ruled out either given that he seems a bit more comfortable with the car following the Barcelona test.

I wouldn't entirely rule out Alonso given that he looks quite competitive this weekend - the car looks a little bit off the ultimate pace, but if the weather conditions are mixed than the F14T does look more competitive in wetter conditions. Under normal conditions you would still expect this to be something of a private battle between the Mercedes drivers, but with more challenging cars to drive and possibly variable conditions, we might well see something unusual crop up.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 22 May 2014, 19:17

LOL

Typical Kimi.

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 22 May 2014, 21:32

Damn, Button says the new track surface isn't causing as much trouble as we were looking forward to.

Also, Christian Horner's saying that "our biggest test is going to be in two weeks in Montreal". What's that got to do with anything? They said after Spain and the testing that Monaco would show everything. Now we're at Monaco it's going to be Canada. I'd say it's excuses for lack of pace, but Red Bull ARE on pace so far this weekend. Major shrugs over here.

Fred Mayo · Post by **Fred Mayo** » 23 May 2014, 07:57

I'm somewhat amused by Lewis Hamilton's recent escalation of the psychological war with Nico Rosberg during the build-up to the Monaco Grand Prix.

"I should dominate Nico"

"I'm hungrier than Rosberg"

"there are not many team-mates that I've allowed to beat me here"

I'm less amused that Autosport thinks it's newsworthy. But I guess that's what happens when a British magazine writes about a British driver. I stopped subscribing to their paper mag sometime during late 2006 because I got tired of every issue being about Jenson Button. After my 10-year subscription ended, I got a letter in the mail from someone at Autosport's publisher Haymarket, saying that they were "disappointed" that I chose to end my subscription. I felt like answering that I was disappointed that they had turned their magazine into Buttonsport, but I never got round to it. Glad I wasn't around for the Lewisteria of 2007.

But this is supposed to be about the Monaco Grand Prix. I'll miss it because I'm on holiday, but I wouldn't mind someone other than a Mercedes driver winning, and I'm quitely confident that it's going to happen. Streaks always end at Monaco, you know!

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 23 May 2014, 08:11

The British sports media is so ridiculously nationalist it makes me want to stab myself a Union Jack flag

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 23 May 2014, 08:13

Fred Mayo wrote:I'm somewhat amused by Lewis Hamilton's recent escalation of the psychological war with Nico Rosberg during the build-up to the Monaco Grand Prix.

The trouble is, to me anyway, its all a bit weak. If I was Rosberg I'd barely give this the time of day, its hardly Schumacher-esque mind-games is it?

Hamilton - "I is from da mean streets of Stevenage, you is all posh what lived in Monaco. Innit."

Rosberg - "Yes, it was lovely."

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 23 May 2014, 11:31

Hamilton - "I is from da mean streets of Stevenage, you is all posh what lived in Monaco. Innit."

Rosberg - "Yes, it was lovely."

About right. The British press have been really into the "mind-games" idea all year. Rosberg's always been a pleasant guy and his team-mates have as well up till now. Hamilton's attitude (while admittedly highly encouraged by the press) doesn't really seem all sportsmanlike. Sure he's the favourite to win the championship, but he could at least treat it as what it is: sport.
But no, every race so far we've had quotes and quotes and quotes, some real and some manufactured, all by Hamilton. Rosberg's doing the mature thing I'd say, and just keeping quiet. Don't know who's mentoring him right now, but they've got the right idea.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 23 May 2014, 11:46

Hamilton sounds like he's reciting all his interviews straight from the copybook of Footballing Platitudes. If Rosberg is smart he'll see straight through all the comments and see them for what they are; meaningless PR lines his management told him to say, rather than he thought of himself.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 23 May 2014, 11:53

It's almost as if someone has advised him to manufacture a bitter rivalry to give greater value, perhaps greater validity to the championship which may well be his to lose. I mentioned in an old post about how the Merc PR machine have probably studied the negativity Red Bull got lumbered with even after winning four WDCs in a row and I wonder if this is a cack-handed attempt to avoid that.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 23 May 2014, 16:37

How many laps did Ericsson do today? Does anyone know?

Post by **mario** » 23 May 2014, 16:46

CoopsII wrote:It's almost as if someone has advised him to manufacture a bitter rivalry to give greater value, perhaps greater validity to the championship which may well be his to lose. I mentioned in an old post about how the Merc PR machine have probably studied the negativity Red Bull got lumbered with even after winning four WDCs in a row and I wonder if this is a cack-handed attempt to avoid that.

I'd agree that some of the quotes Hamilton has come out with do sound a little odd and perhaps something he has been encouraged to say by PR representatives as a way of appealing to the British press - organisation that, in turn, have been encouraging Hamilton to come out with more bullish and sensational quotes to promote their wares.
I'm also a little wary given that the press is sometimes prone to twisting comments for maximum publicity - I can recall how once the German press claimed that Hamilton has said "I am as good as Senna", but what Hamilton had actually said was "I would like to be as good as Senna" - a very substantial difference in words that is nowhere near as incendiary as the first comment is.

noiceinmydrink · Post by **noiceinmydrink** » 23 May 2014, 17:11

Only thing that bothers me is that Hamilton is 29 and still talks and dresses like a 14 year old.

CoopsII wrote:'complete cuntery'

I'm gonna use this, okay? Full royalties, I promise.

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 23 May 2014, 18:58

He very quickly got pretty "Californicated" to quote the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I remember back in '07 he said he was going to be the same guy he always was before. He dumped his girlfriend soon after and has been on and off (and on and off) with Nicole Sherzinger ever since. I think he got taken in a bit too quickly if you know what I mean. Like if he started off in a small team and then got to McLaren and became "famous" famous he'd have been much better at handling the whole celebrity status. 2011 was such a disaster because things went out of hand which were in his control - unlike 2009 - and he didn't know what the hell he was supposed to do.

But compare Hamilton 2011 onwards to Hamilton pre-2011. The smarmy attitude has a deep seriousness to it now. He has a scabby beard. He even recorded some R&B tracks (which were sadly never released). I don't have to ask if you've seen his new Mercedes cap :lol:

. His relationship is like a soap-opera, and he lets it affect his attitude, which in turn puts it in the public eye. But hey he seems to be happy in his own little gangsta world.

It's a stark contrast to the Rosberg attitude. His father's probably a big factor, but he manages to maintain both humanity and self-control when he's in the public eye. I don't know, he just comes off that way to me.

Post by **mario** » 23 May 2014, 19:38

Jocke1 wrote:How many laps did Ericsson do today? Does anyone know?

I presume that you mean yesterday given that there are no practise sessions on a Friday in Monaco - the FIA accredited Ericsson with six timed laps in FP2 and 40 in FP1.

Post by **tommykl** » 23 May 2014, 19:52

mario wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:How many laps did Ericsson do today? Does anyone know?

I presume that you mean yesterday given that there are no practise sessions on a Friday in Monaco - the FIA accredited Ericsson with six timed laps in FP2 and 40 in FP1.

It's Jocke1, of course he meant today

That was probably a reference to Ericsson's statement that every lap counted on Friday and Saturday, completely oblivious to the fact that Monaco practise is on the Thurdsay

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 24 May 2014, 04:12

Turbogirl wrote:In all those comments you've listed, Jocke1, I'm missing Nelson Piquet stating: "Driving in Monaco is like flying a helicopter in your living room". (At least I think it was Piquet who said that. Him or Lauda...)

That quote would have also spared us the entire "who is Nick Chester" debate.

I thought it was Dick Trickle and his jet fighters in a gymnasium... oh wait, that was the NASCAR short track in Bristol, TN.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 24 May 2014, 08:03

Vladamir Rogovets

What is your favourite braking zone in Monaco?

Kimi

No, I don't really have one favourite one so. Any of them. You can choose.

Heikki Kulta

Kimi, are you going to carry on with James Hunt-style design in your helmet here?

Kimi

No.

Vincent Marre

To all six of you: if there is one day race that we have now in this calendar that you would like to change into a night race, assuming there is no technical issue, which one would it be? There must be one.

MC

Kimi? ... Go on, pick one.

Kimi

Huh !?

MC

Pick one.

Kimi

I cannot hear you so, I don't know. I don't know if the others but you should turn at least one microphone or the speakers this
way so we can hear something.

MC

Oh, you didn't hear the question? Is that what you're saying. Sorry. Which day race would you most like to turn into a night race?

Kimi

I mean I understood when they were answering but I don't really, I'm happy how they are, and you know we can always dream about things but we don't make the rules, so .. makes no point.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 24 May 2014, 10:19

The FP3 result was very much a Noah's Ark result...

The Mercs and the RBs are split, but then you find the Ferraris, the SFIs, the Toro Rossos (!), the McLarens (wow, how low can you go?), and then the Williams cars. The midfield is pretty much spread out.
Maybe, just maybe Bianchi can pull something out.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 24 May 2014, 10:23

Shizuka wrote:The FP3 result was very much a Noah's Ark result...

The Mercs and the RBs are split, but then you find the Ferraris, the SFIs, the Toro Rossos (!), the McLarens (wow, how low can you go?), and then the Williams cars. The midfield is pretty much spread out.
Maybe, just maybe Bianchi can pull something out.

About as low as they were in Barcelona, evidently.

It might be Noah's Ark but the gaps are still very tiny.

Post by **mario** » 24 May 2014, 11:05

tommykl wrote:
mario wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:How many laps did Ericsson do today? Does anyone know?

I presume that you mean yesterday given that there are no practise sessions on a Friday in Monaco - the FIA accredited Ericsson with six timed laps in FP2 and 40 in FP1.

It's Jocke1, of course he meant today

That was probably a reference to Ericsson's statement that every lap counted on Friday and Saturday, completely oblivious to the fact that Monaco practise is on the Thurdsay

Ah, I'd missed his earlier post which explained the joke (hence my confusion) - now that makes a lot more sense.

Shizuka wrote:The FP3 result was very much a Noah's Ark result...

The Mercs and the RBs are split, but then you find the Ferraris, the SFIs, the Toro Rossos (!), the McLarens (wow, how low can you go?), and then the Williams cars. The midfield is pretty much spread out.
Maybe, just maybe Bianchi can pull something out.

He might just be in a position to do that - he split the two Lotus drivers in the final session and Sutil wasn't that much further up the road from Bianchi either.