Car 28 - The Hot-Shot Seat Derek Warwick - 300k Rene Arnoux - 300k Jean-Pierre 'Jiber-Jaber' Jabouille - 300k Thierry Boutsen - 300k Kevin Cogan - 300k
Car 29 - The Cheap-Skate Seat Eje Elgh Johnny Cecotto Christian Danner Riccardo Paletti Ray Mallock
The offers for car 29 are unpaid drives and are race-by-race (take it as whoever gets the drive is in the car until I say otherwise), most likely up until the halfway point and depending on how much prize money we get we may put in some pay drivers for the second half. Of course courtesy of our new sponsor we can compensate for the lack of salary with a year's worth of Guinness.
As the new works BMW team we will of course be using their engines.
We will build a tier 7 chassis focusing on grip and take Michelin as our tyre supplier.
Arrows are examining the possibilities for both racing seats. We are certainly not happy with Depailler, so at least one of our drivers will be a new one. However, we are still not disclosing much more information for the moment, before negotiating with sponsors.
We are happy with Renault and will try to prolong our deal. Jacques Laffite plays a huge role in negotiating, and despite his advanced years, we treat him as a valuable member of the team (read this that he will definitely receive an offer from us).
As for chassis tier - shall we announce it here, or just PM pi?
Since McLaren is already swimming in money to Scrooge McDuck levels, we might as well cut to the chase here and announce we're building a tier 1 chassis, focusing entirely on reliability.
As for Cosworth, we are preferring to wait and see what our fellow engine manufacturers build first.
Sebastian Vettel wrote:If I was good at losing I wouldn't be in Formula 1.
Matra and Williams are submiting their plans once i'm at home and i have the time for it. This may take until friday so to all interested teams(for the matra engine) please stay patient. I'll send you a message once i have sorted out the prices. Matra would also express their interest in renew our contract with Brabham because we think a long term partnership could be very succesful.
Since McLaren have stated their plans and we feel we have to do something different to beat them, Ligier will build a tier 1 chassis with a focus on both grip and top speed.
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Since people are showing their hands with regards to chassis, I think it's pretty evident that Theodore will go for a Tier 5, since that's the best we can afford, and will focus on grip.
Engine deals will be dealt with later; we like Hart's offer, but we'd like to browse the market first. We WON'T be going with Renault, that's for sure.
As for tyres, we'll be taking Goodyears.
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Mitch Hedberg wrote:I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Man, you really like Tide...
Hm, it seems we are disclosing details about chassis here. If so, my first plans were to focus only on reliability, but we will have to take the risk to challenge Mclaren with something different. So focusing on both reliability and grip for us.
We are also interested in french combination of engine and tyres, so our efforts are on Renault and Michelin. Btw is tyre price per car or per team?
As for drivers - as announced earlier, our intention is to disclose further details once we know the exact amount of money we have for the first part of the season.
AustralianStig wrote:Leaving Toleman for a moment to focus on Hart's plans, if I may.
We would like to build a Tier 4 turbocharged engine focused on reliability - that will drain our funds to naught but Toleman will be buying the engines at cost ($400k), plus a $25k further investment into reliability. Any other teams will be able buy in for $450k, plus if willing to pay the upgrade costs will be able to invest in an upgrade of their choosing. Pays to get in quick while upgrades are cheap, but when they are more expensive Hart will consider subsidising any upgrades on a case by case basis.
Ataxia wrote:We're also looking for an engine deal. I'm not gonna have my pants pulled down, so if it ain't reasonable then we don't have a deal.
Newcomers Hart are looking to supply teams with a turbocharged Tier 4 engine for $450k. The engine will boast considerable reliability. As above for an additional $50k Theodore may elect an upgrade of their choosing, and Hart will invest in that.
You realize the prices on the wiki are per engine, not per team right? With that price you'd be LOSING $150k per contract.......
Professional Historian/Retired Drag Racer/Whiskey Enthusiast
"He makes the move on the outside, and knowing George as we do, he's probably on the radio right now telling the team how great he is." - James Hinchcliffe on George Russell
pycku wrote:Hm, it seems we are disclosing details about chassis here. If so, my first plans were to focus only on reliability, but we will have to take the risk to challenge Mclaren with something different. So focusing on both reliability and grip for us.
You're still thinking that's possible? Just give up already, you aren't gonna beat McLaren.
Sebastian Vettel wrote:If I was good at losing I wouldn't be in Formula 1.
AustralianStig wrote:Leaving Toleman for a moment to focus on Hart's plans, if I may.
We would like to build a Tier 4 turbocharged engine focused on reliability - that will drain our funds to naught but Toleman will be buying the engines at cost ($400k), plus a $25k further investment into reliability. Any other teams will be able buy in for $450k, plus if willing to pay the upgrade costs will be able to invest in an upgrade of their choosing. Pays to get in quick while upgrades are cheap, but when they are more expensive Hart will consider subsidising any upgrades on a case by case basis.
Ataxia wrote:We're also looking for an engine deal. I'm not gonna have my pants pulled down, so if it ain't reasonable then we don't have a deal.
Newcomers Hart are looking to supply teams with a turbocharged Tier 4 engine for $450k. The engine will boast considerable reliability. As above for an additional $50k Theodore may elect an upgrade of their choosing, and Hart will invest in that.
You realize the prices on the wiki are per engine, not per team right? With that price you'd be LOSING $150k per contract.......
Yeah, I probably worded it poorly. The price is $450k per engine, not per team.
Wallio wrote:You realize the prices on the wiki are per engine, not per team right? With that price you'd be LOSING $150k per contract.......
AustralianStig wrote:Newcomers Hart are looking to supply teams with A turbocharged Tier 4 engine for $450k
Which means it would be $450k EACH...
Mitch Hedberg wrote:I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Man, you really like Tide...
Wallio wrote:You realize the prices on the wiki are per engine, not per team right? With that price you'd be LOSING $150k per contract.......
AustralianStig wrote:Newcomers Hart are looking to supply teams with A turbocharged Tier 4 engine for $450k
Which means it would be $450k EACH...
True. Hey if he wants to lose money, that's his prerogative . I was just checking.
Professional Historian/Retired Drag Racer/Whiskey Enthusiast
"He makes the move on the outside, and knowing George as we do, he's probably on the radio right now telling the team how great he is." - James Hinchcliffe on George Russell
BMW will be building a Tier 3 Turbo 1.5L I4 engine. Since this year is the first of the new formula, we will be focusing on reliability. The cost (per team) will be 1.2 million for the season. While we understand this is high, can you really put on a price on our dominance?
The Facts are these, BMW engines over the past two years have won the following:
21 wins of out 34 races (62%) 24 poles out of 34 races (71%) 17 fastest laps out of 34 races (50%)*this one might actually be higher, some races had no FL 49 Podiums out of 162 available (30%) 4 Championships out of 4 on offer (100%)
That's that even counting point positions (I couldn't be bothered to look them all up). Our record speaks for itself. We will sell to anyone but Shadow. If you're interested, so far a few teams already are, let me know. You won't regret it.
Professional Historian/Retired Drag Racer/Whiskey Enthusiast
"He makes the move on the outside, and knowing George as we do, he's probably on the radio right now telling the team how great he is." - James Hinchcliffe on George Russell
McLaren would like to point out the fact that most of those results were down to our dominant cars, which was already very dominant before we switched to BMWs. We gave them money last season to help develop their engine, but still we wish nothing more to do with them.
Sebastian Vettel wrote:If I was good at losing I wouldn't be in Formula 1.
Driver preference: Jacky Ickx: 200K Mario Andretti: 200K Jochen Mass 100K Eddie Cheever: 50K Clay Regazzoni: 50K Klaus Ludwig: 50K Marc Surer: 20K Bruno Giacomelli: 20K Thierry Boutsen: 20K Arie Luyendijk: 20K Jan Lammers: 20K
And lets see if the following drivers are willing to pay anything: Manfred Winkelhock Hans Heyer Kevin Cogan Jacques Villeneuve Sr. Danny Ongais Huub Rothengatter Teo Fabi Gianfranco Brancatelli Andrea De Cesaris Arturo Merzario Siegfried Stohr Piercarlo Ghinzani Corrado Fabi Teddy Pilette Patrick Nève Hans Binder Harald Ertl Brett Lunger Boy Hayje Michael Bleekemolen Jo Vonlanthen Vittorio Brambilla Gijs Van Lennep Hans-Joachim Stuck Rolf Stommelen
Scrap my last driver bids for Theodore, here's what we're gonna offer in response to other bids:
Arie Luyendyk - 75k (2 years) Eddie Cheever - 70k (2 years) Philippe Streiff - 70k (2 years) Marc Surer - 50k Derek Warwick - 50k Brian Henton - 35k Teo Fabi - 25k
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Mitch Hedberg wrote:I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Man, you really like Tide...
Renault is expressing interest in a full or half-time drive for a paydriver for the second seat. We are interested in the following drivers:
Manfred Winkelhock Kevin Cogan Mike Thackwell Jacques Villeneuve Sr. Danny Ongais Eliseo Salazar Rupert Keegan Jean Louis Schlesser Miguel Ángel Guerra Patrick Gaillard Jozele Garza Bobby Rahal
Anyone of you who wants to drive for the presitgious Renault team can call our designated hotline for consideration.
*guy is sitting at the phone in the middle of a empty room, on 24/7 duty with several bags of croissants.*
Klon wrote:What did poor André do to you for him to be insulted like that?
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
Even with the 2nd driver yet to be decided, it's probably that Ensign will build a T4 chassis with focus in reliability (friggin transmissions!) As for out tyre supplier, we'll go with Michelin bubber
Being short on funds, BRM will develop a Tier 7 1.5l V6 turbo engine essentially a 1977 P202 3.0l V12 chopped in half and a turbo slapped on it. They will be sold on to any desperate customers at a bargain price of 125 000 quid each.
March will go for a Tier 5 chassis focusing on reliability, and attempt to get Michelin tyres. As for our drivers, here's the shortlist: Derek Warwick 300k, one year Andrea de Cesaris 200k, one year Teo Fabi 150k, one year Piercarlo Ghinzani 125k, one year Brian Henton 150k, one year Chico Serra 120k, one year Kenny Acheson 100k, one year Richard Dallest, asked to bring 50k per race Piero Necchi, asked to bring 60k per race Carlo Rossi, asked to bring 60k per race
Eurosport broadcast for the 1990 Mexican GP prequalifying: "The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
Facom: McLaren 1-70 Arrows 71-110 Shadow 111-135 Ferrari 136-155 Williams 156-170 Osella 171-185 March 186-190 Ensign 191-195 Alfa Romeo 196-199 Boro 200
179, Osella!
Lepitre: McLaren 1-70 Arrows 71-110 Ligier 111-140 Ferrari 141-160 Williams 161-175 Project Four 176-185 March 186-192 Alfa Romeo 193-196 Toleman 197-200 184, Project Four
Allegrini: McLaren 1-80 Arrows 81-130 Ferrari 131-155 Williams 156-175 March 176-182 Ensign 183-190 Alfa Romeo 191-195 Tyrrell 196-200 56, McLaren
This wrote:That doesn't look good at all, you have a lower budget than ATS
I know dont know how we are going to build a car
Alfa Romeo Will build a Tier 4 Turbo Charged engine focusing on Reliability and ask any team that maybe interested in an Alfa Engine to get into contact
Meanwhile the team being completely sponsorless are looking for a pay driver and will see if we can get any money out of the following divers
Andrea de Cesaris Johnny Ceccotto Satoru Nakajima Marc Surer Kenny Acheson Bruno Giacomelli Teo Fabi Giorgio Francia Beppe Gabbiani Patrick Gaillard Desire Wilson Brian Henton Oscar Pedersoli Gianfranco Trombetti Alberto Colombo Richard Dallest Jean-Louis Schlesser Slim Borgudd Oscar Larrauri Mauro Baldi Alfredo Costanzo
Chassis and tyre choice will be decided once drivers have been settled on
When is the cut-off for driver-signing, chassis building and tyre contracts? I only ask as I will be away for about 2.5 days with no internet access from later today, but was hoping to work these out when I return...
pycku wrote:Hmm, are budgets upgraded? I am asking because that will determine how much I will have for drivers.
Tier 3 sponsorship money hasn't been added yet. But I'm going to update the budgets tomorrow.
Since Renault hasn't gotten a Tier 1 sponsor and put the manufacturer support as its last choice, can we find out how much money we will get from manufacturer support before you update the budgets?
Klon wrote:What did poor André do to you for him to be insulted like that?
pycku wrote:Hmm, are budgets upgraded? I am asking because that will determine how much I will have for drivers.
Tier 3 sponsorship money hasn't been added yet. But I'm going to update the budgets tomorrow.
Since Renault hasn't gotten a Tier 1 sponsor and put the manufacturer support as its last choice, can we find out how much money we will get from manufacturer support before you update the budgets?
You're not going to get any. If a manufacturer wants to go for manufacturer support, they can't bid for sponsors. One or the other.
Driver 1: Keke Rosberg 600k 3years Elio de Angelis 650k 2years Nelson Piquet 400k 3years Didier Pironi 600k 2years Alan Jones 450k 1 years
Driver 2(if no one from driver 1 signed take 2 from driver 2): Thierry Boutsen 250k 2years Kevin Cogan 250k 2years Derek Warwick 250k 1year Teo Fabi 150k 2 years Eddy Cheever 200k 2years
