Alt-1954 - Season Review up!

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 06 Mar 2014, 23:21

As we can have more privateer entries so in that case

Pau - Vladimir Wojcieohowski
Syracuse - Giovanni De Rui

Post by **tommykl** » 07 Mar 2014, 05:45

This wrote:As many privateers as i bloody wish, you say? Well, not entirely bloody, but i'll enter a standard HWM-Alta for Racing For Holland in both non-championship races, driven by Jan Flinterman.

Did you miss the part where no driver can do both races?

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 07 Mar 2014, 06:36

Are guest entries for NC allowed? I'll have one for Pau if so, details TBA.

Post by **tommykl** » 07 Mar 2014, 07:02

FMecha wrote:Are guest entries for NC allowed? I'll have one for Pau if so, details TBA.

Yep, you just have to state a driver and you receive a spec HWM-Alta for the weekend

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 07 Mar 2014, 07:14

tommykl wrote:
FMecha wrote:Are guest entries for NC allowed? I'll have one for Pau if so, details TBA.

Yep, you just have to state a driver and you receive a spec HWM-Alta for the weekend

Bill Vukovich will do.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 07 Mar 2014, 13:12

Franco Cortese will do the Syracuse NC race.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 07 Mar 2014, 14:39

Stirling Moss will enter Syracuse with a spec HWM-Alta.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 07 Mar 2014, 15:05

Ivor Bueb will also enter Syracuse in the spec car.

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 07 Mar 2014, 15:07

As we could not find any customers, all unused parts from last season (which is engines I believe) for Leader and Balkan Eagle will be scrapped.

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 07 Mar 2014, 16:19

Louis Rosier will enter Syracuse with a privateer entry.

Post by **tommykl** » 07 Mar 2014, 16:23

roblomas52 wrote:Duncan Hamilton will also enter Syracuse in the spec car.

Nope, he's already entered in Pau, he can't do both.

tristan1117 wrote:Louis Rosier will enter Syracuse and Pau with a privateer entry.

I believe you may have missed the dozen-or-so times I said that a driver can only do one of the two races

Post by **Nuppiz** » 07 Mar 2014, 17:03

tommykl wrote:I believe you may have missed the dozen-or-so times I said that a driver can only do one of the two races

And to make it clear for everyone:
THE RACES ARE ON THE SAME DAY. DON'T ENTER THE SAME DRIVER FOR BOTH!

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 07 Mar 2014, 20:40

tommykl wrote:
This wrote:As many privateers as i bloody wish, you say? Well, not entirely bloody, but i'll enter a standard HWM-Alta for Racing For Holland in both non-championship races, driven by Jan Flinterman.

Did you miss the part where no driver can do both races?

Yes, yes i did! Did you ask a rhetorical question?

Well, then i need tommykl's superior knowledge to find out if there are any realistic dutch drivers available.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 07 Mar 2014, 20:57

This wrote:
tommykl wrote:
This wrote:As many privateers as i bloody wish, you say? Well, not entirely bloody, but i'll enter a standard HWM-Alta for Racing For Holland in both non-championship races, driven by Jan Flinterman.

Did you miss the part where no driver can do both races?

Yes, yes i did!

Well, then i need tommykl's superior knowledge to find out if there are any realistic dutch drivers available.

There are few dutch drivers from the early 50s, but I think I have found one. Hermann Roosdorp, a dutch driver living in Antwerpen. He took part in the 1951 Dutch GP, a non-championship race. His daughter Anni Roosdorp was a racing driver as well. Both raced in the late 40s/ early 50s.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 07 Mar 2014, 22:19

pi314159 wrote:There are few dutch drivers from the early 50s, but I think I have found one. Hermann Roosdorp, a dutch driver living in Antwerpen. He took part in the 1951 Dutch GP, a non-championship race. His daughter Anni Roosdorp was a racing driver as well. Both raced in the late 40s/ early 50s.

Oh, oh, me Sir! I'll enter Anni Roosderp alongside Ann Hall in the same race, with one of the spec cars!

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 07 Mar 2014, 22:55

I have edited the Hamilton for Syracuse post and am hoping that Ivor Bueb is availible.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 07 Mar 2014, 23:39

dr-baker wrote:
pi314159 wrote:There are few dutch drivers from the early 50s, but I think I have found one. Hermann Roosdorp, a dutch driver living in Antwerpen. He took part in the 1951 Dutch GP, a non-championship race. His daughter Anni Roosdorp was a racing driver as well. Both raced in the late 40s/ early 50s.

Oh, oh, me Sir! I'll enter Anni Roosderp alongside Ann Hall in the same race, with one of the spec cars!

Well, you beat me to it, so i'm going for Hermann. It's going to be a family day out it seems.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 08 Mar 2014, 11:32

This wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
pi314159 wrote:There are few dutch drivers from the early 50s, but I think I have found one. Hermann Roosdorp, a dutch driver living in Antwerpen. He took part in the 1951 Dutch GP, a non-championship race. His daughter Anni Roosdorp was a racing driver as well. Both raced in the late 40s/ early 50s.

Oh, oh, me Sir! I'll enter Anni Roosderp alongside Ann Hall in the same race, with one of the spec cars!

Well, you beat me to it, so i'm going for Hermann. It's going to be a family day out it seems.

I just wanted the two female drivers together, to have a yardstick to measure each other by.... Although the difference in cars may mask that a bit.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 08 Mar 2014, 12:27

Francesco Severi will enter as a privateer for Pau.
Sergio Mantovani and Carlo Gazzabini will enter as privateers for Syracuse.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 09 Mar 2014, 17:10

Alfonso de Portago and Joaquín Palacio will drive at Syracuse while Paco Godia and Juan Jover will drive at Pau.

Post by **tommykl** » 10 Mar 2014, 19:15

Alright then, just three more spots to fill, one in Pau and two in Syracuse

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 10 Mar 2014, 19:55

Can we get one of those HWM privateers for me to run Adolfo Schwelm-Cruz at Pau and Clemar Bucci at Syracuse

Post by **Nuppiz** » 11 Mar 2014, 16:51

I'm poaching the last available privateer entry for Rodney Nuckey.

Post by **tommykl** » 11 Mar 2014, 18:39

Anni Roosdorp's entry has been rejected due to a lack of experience (a single sportscar race with no recorded result). Her spot has now been opened up for a new privateer. Any takers?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 12 Mar 2014, 11:04

tommykl wrote:Anni Roosdorp's entry has been rejected due to a lack of experience (a single sportscar race with no recorded result). Her spot has now been opened up for a new privateer. Any takers?

Simone des Forest?

Post by **tommykl** » 12 Mar 2014, 13:20

dr-baker wrote:
tommykl wrote:Anni Roosdorp's entry has been rejected due to a lack of experience (a single sportscar race with no recorded result). Her spot has now been opened up for a new privateer. Any takers?

Simone des Forest?

Close enough, I suppose

Post by **tommykl** » 13 Mar 2014, 18:17

Alright then, one last thing before I run the NC races, Asso di Fiori, Scuderia Ferrari, Officine Alfieri Maserati and Balkan Eagle still have TBAs on their entries (mostly relating to chassis/engine combinations. You have two days (so until Saturday March 15th 2014 at 19:17 CET) to clear these up. If you don't, I'll simply choose the most appropriate combination out of what you already have.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 13 Mar 2014, 19:28

tommykl wrote:Alright then, one last thing before I run the NC races, Asso di Fiori, Scuderia Ferrari, Officine Alfieri Maserati and Balkan Eagle still have TBAs on their entries (mostly relating to chassis/engine combinations. You have two days (so until Saturday March 15th 2014 at 19:17 CET) to clear these up. If you don't, I'll simply choose the most appropriate combination out of what you already have.

AM53 1 will be run by Flockhart and Bayol runs the AM53 2

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 13 Mar 2014, 20:36

tommykl wrote:Alright then, one last thing before I run the NC races, Asso di Fiori, Scuderia Ferrari, Officine Alfieri Maserati and Balkan Eagle still have TBAs on their entries (mostly relating to chassis/engine combinations. You have two days (so until Saturday March 15th 2014 at 19:17 CET) to clear these up. If you don't, I'll simply choose the most appropriate combination out of what you already have.

the Masked Lapwing wrote:The Ferrari drivers will run the following combinations:
Parnell - 555 Chassis 3/Engine 3
Serafini - 555 Chassis 2/Engine 2
Brabham - 555 Chassis 1/Engine 5

I fail to see any reason why I can't use the same setup as for the championship races

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 14 Mar 2014, 07:33

Oh, I forgot, engine 3 goes to chassis 4, engine 2 to chassis 5 and engine 1 to chassis 6. As for which chassis to which driver goes - let it be random.

Post by **tommykl** » 16 Mar 2014, 08:42

Alright, the deadline has been passed, so Asso di Fiori have had their chassis/engine combo determined by me. Van der Lof will drive the 5/8 Aston-Jag in Pau while Villoresi will drive the 10/10 Aston-Jag in Syracuse.

Post by **tommykl** » 18 Mar 2014, 16:56

April 25th 1954, Pau Grand Prix qualifying

It's that time of year again. The time of year where new rules are tested and new drivers prove their worth without it being worth anything whatsoever. This time, the new rules are:
-A closer starting grid so as to avoid penalising bad qualifying too much.
-Pre-race unreliability, so the possibility of car failure or accidents during or after qualifying (no repair costs for the time being).
-Performance will be determined from the qualifying standings and not the starting grid, so will not be affected by unreliability. A driver who fails to set a time will not see his performance rating affected.
-An overhaul of the retirement system: single accidents are less likely to occur, but collisions are more likely to happen, because,
-Each and every overtake after the first 5% of a race will be submitted to an RNG, determining whether it is successful, unsuccessful or causes a collision, in which case another RNG determines which of the two cars (or both) retires from the collision.
-For quali/race performance purposes, a higher rating is now better than a lower one, simply because I can't be arsed to figure out negative scores anymore

Without further ado, here is the entry list for the Pau Grand Prix:

2. Maurice Trintignant (Jaguar Aston Martin Racing) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 4, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 13
4. Dries van der Lof (Asso di Fiori) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 5, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 8
6. Hans Herrmann (Rennkollektiv EMW) - EMW 02 chassis 1, Mercedes UM153 engine 3
8. Jack Brabham (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 555 chassis 1, Ferrari 555 engine 5
10. Anne Hall (BRUNEL) - Bentley Speed 3 chassis 8, Bentley 163-1 engine 7
12. Ron Flockhart (Officine Alfieri Maserati) - Maserati AM53 chassis 2, Maserati 200F engine 1
14. José Froilan Gonzalez (O.S.C.A. Automobili) - O.S.C.A. 53 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 3000V8 engine 1
16. Bernie Ecclestone (Mercedes-Benz Team Europe) - Mercedes WM-2 chassis 5, Mercedes UM153 engine 5
18. Roger Laurent (Ecurie Nationale Belge) - Maserati AM53 chassis 4, Maserati 200F engine 4
20. John Fitch (Assasti Millanti) - Leader LF153 chassis 3, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 11
22. Louis Chiron (Leader) - Leader LF153 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 156s engine 4
24. Stan Jones (Balkan Eagle) - Alfa Romeo AR160 chassis 4, Balkan Lion F154 engine 3
26. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team-Gordini) - Gordini G-953 chassis 1, Gordini ART-004 engine 1
28. Peter Collins (Alexander Racing Team-Gordini) - Gordini G-953 chassis 3, Gordini ART-004 engine 3
30. B. Bira (Jaguar-Aston Martin Racing) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 2, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 2
32. Roberto Mieres (Erne Racing Development) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 8, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 14
34. Ottorino Volonterio (Privateer) - spec HWM-Alta
36. Geoff Richardson (Privateer) - spec HWM-Alta
38. Duncan Hamilton (Privateer) - spec HWM-Alta
40. Roger Loyer (Privateer) - spec HWM-Alta
42. Alan Brown (Privateer) - spec HWM-Alta
44. Hermann Roosdorp (Racing for Holland) - spec HWM-Alta
46. Dennis Poore (Privateer) - spec HWM-Alta
48. Vladimir Wojciechowski (Privateer) - spec HWM-Alta
50. Bill Vukovich (Privateer) - spec HWM-Alta
52. Simone des Forest (Privateer) - spec HWM-Alta
54. Francesco Severi (Privateer) - spec HWM-Alta
56. Paco Godia (Privateer) - spec HWM-Alta
58. Juan Jover (Privateer) - spec HWM-Alta
60. Adolfo Schwelm-Cruz (Privateer) - spec HWM-Alta

30 drivers, 22 spots on the grid. Who will the unlucky 8 be?

Post by **tommykl** » 18 Mar 2014, 18:40

And here we have it: qualifying performance. Remember, this season, the higher the better. Also, any mechanical failures haven't been taken into account.

Collins - 119
Godia - 112
Schwelm-Cruz - 112
Trintignant - 111
Herrmann - 109
Laurent - 108
van der Lof - 107
Gonzalez - 107
Hamilton - 106
Ecclestone - 105
Jones - 105
Wojciechowski - 104
Vukovich - 104
Hall - 103
Manzon - 103
Loyer - 103
Chiron - 102
Flockhart - 101
Bira - 101
Roosdorp - 101
Jover - 101
Fitch - 99
Brabham - 96
Volonterio - 96
des Forest - 96
Richardson - 95
Brown - 95
Poore - 95
Mieres - 93
Severi - 86

Also, the spec-car has been determined to have a performance of exactly half of a top car, so 15 for the chassis and 12 for the engine. This is equivalent to Maserati territory.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 18 Mar 2014, 21:59

tommykl wrote:Also, the spec-car has been determined to have a performance of exactly half of a top car, so 15 for the chassis and 12 for the engine. This is equivalent to Maserati territory.

So basically, i didn't gain anything from entering my Maserati? :lol:

Post by **tommykl** » 19 Mar 2014, 05:16

This wrote:
tommykl wrote:Also, the spec-car has been determined to have a performance of exactly half of a top car, so 15 for the chassis and 12 for the engine. This is equivalent to Maserati territory.

So basically, i didn't gain anything from entering my Maserati?

Well, you have the advantage of both ENB and Laurent having performance points, whereas most of the privateers don't

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 19 Mar 2014, 15:14

tommykl wrote:And here we have it: qualifying performance. Remember, this season, the higher the better. Also, any mechanical failures haven't been taken into account.

Ecclestone - 105

Hall - 103
des Forest - 96

So my drivers are either side of the 100-avarage qualifying performance? Good start! This could be interesting.

And the higher the better? Don't remember B.C.E being anywhere near that good in reality...

Post by **tommykl** » 19 Mar 2014, 15:20

Qualifying results
1. Peter Collins (Gordini) - 1:34.24
2. Maurice Trintignant (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 1:34.64
3. B. Bira (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 1:34.95
4. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - 1:35.38
5. Dries van der Lof (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 1:35.96
6. José Froilan Gonzalez (O.S.C.A.) - 1:37.18
7. Jack Brabham (Ferrari) - 1:37.36
8. Louis Chiron (Leader-O.S.C.A.) - 1:39.20
9. Bernie Ecclestone (Mercedes) - 1:40.37
10. John Fitch (Leader-Jaguar) - 1:41.03
11. Roberto Mieres (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 1:41.26
12. Roger Laurent (Maserati) - 1:41.44
13. Anne Hall (Bentley) - 1:41.92
14. Hans Herrmann (EMW-Mercedes) - 1:42.32
15. Paco Godia (HWM-Alta) - 1:42.49
16. Adolfo Schwelm-Cruz (HWM-Alta) - 1:42.51
17. Duncan Hamilton (HWM-Alta) - 1:42.65
18. Bill Vukovich (HWM-Alta) - 1:42.77
19. Vladimir Wojciechowski (HWM-Alta) - 1:43.24
20. Roger Loyer (HWM-Alta) - 1:43.33
21. Geoff Richardson (HWM-Alta) - 1:43.41
22. Hermann Roosdorp (HWM-Alta) - 1:43.51
23. Juan Jover (HWM-Alta) - 1:43.54
24. Simone des Forest (HWM-Alta) - 1:43.99
25. Ottorino Volonterio (HWM-Alta) - 1:44.05
26. Alan Brown (HWM-Alta) - 1:44.09
27. Dennis Poore (HWM-Alta) - 1:44.13
28. Francesco Severi (HWM-Alta) - 1:44.94
29. Ron Flockhart (Maserati) - no time
30. Stan Jones (Alfa Romeo-Balkan Lion) - no time

Warm-up report
Two qualified drivers have suffered mechanical failures in the pre-race warm-up and will therefore have to miss the race. These are Maurice Trintignant and Duncan Hamilton.

This leaves 20 drivers to start the race.

Post by **tommykl** » 19 Mar 2014, 15:21

dr-baker wrote:
tommykl wrote:And here we have it: qualifying performance. Remember, this season, the higher the better. Also, any mechanical failures haven't been taken into account.

Ecclestone - 105

Hall - 103
des Forest - 96

So my drivers are either side of the 100-avarage qualifying performance? Good start! This could be interesting.

And the higher the better? Don't remember B.C.E being anywhere near that good in reality...

In all fairness to Bernie, he never took driving very seriously after Formula 3. His 1958 drives were more a case of "I'm a bit bored this weekend, I guess I'll have a go" than anything else

Also, race performance:
Wojciechowski 37
Laurent 34
Loyer 25
van der Lof 23
Hall 22
Ecclestone 20
Gonzalez 17
Chiron 15
Manzon 16
Bira 12
Roosdorp 12
Herrmann 4
Vukovich -1
Mieres -3
Godia -4
Fitch -6
Richardson -8
Brabham -9
Schwelm-Cruz -39
Collins -43

There will be 11 retirements not counting eventual collisions, with two engine failures, 1 Cat. 1 crash, 2 Cat. 2 crashes, 2 Cat. 3 crashes and 1 Cat. 4 crash. This should be good.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 19 Mar 2014, 16:02

Good to see Anne Hal qualify in the mid-field. Means that she will not lose her seat to des Forest for her home race! Now to get a race finish under her belt.

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 19 Mar 2014, 18:44

What happened to Stan Jones?