1980 Alternate F1 - Season final at Suzuka up

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 13 Mar 2014, 12:19

Well done, double podium finish is good result for us, especially that we leave the Principality with one point more than Mclaren to keep our dreams alive.

Btw are budgets on first page updated? I am interested to know what budget I have at my disposal.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 13 Mar 2014, 12:29

pycku wrote:Well done, double podium finish is good result for us, especially that we leave the Principality with one point more than Mclaren to keep our dreams alive.

Btw are budgets on first page updated? I am interested to know what budget I have at my disposal.

Budgets are updated. I usually update them before each race.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 13 Mar 2014, 13:09

pycku wrote:Well done, double podium finish is good result for us, especially that we leave the Principality with one point more than Mclaren to keep our dreams alive.

You're still 19 points behind in the WCC, and with the latest British-Blitzkrieg spec of the BMW engine, you aren't getting much closer, if you get closer at all.

Though Laffite taking the WDC lead is a minor setback, Pryce is closing in, and he is the best on-form driver right now, having been in serious contention for victory the last 4 races.

Also, I believe I forgot to buy our pre-Monaco upgrade, which leaves McLaren with 1.2 million to spend right now. We will spend 300k on ground effects, 600k on top speed, and 300k on reliability. If I'm mistaken though, we'll just take the top speed upgrade.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 13 Mar 2014, 14:34

Get well soon Ronnie....

Nevertheless, the business has to go on. RobLomas52, Nupizz and SuperAguri: please check your e-mails

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 13 Mar 2014, 14:45

We are incredibly pleased that with another win of course, and that Project-4 will not have to pre-qualify for the foreseeable future now. Plus Boro's 9th is a chuffing result. However, having an upstart in P1 of the WDC is rather annoying, no matter how temporary it will be.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 13 Mar 2014, 19:14

Williams has an email from Wolf regarding Jarier.

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 14 Mar 2014, 07:25

Salamander wrote:Also, I believe I forgot to buy our pre-Monaco upgrade, which leaves McLaren with 1.2 million to spend right now. We will spend 300k on ground effects, 600k on top speed, and 300k on reliability. If I'm mistaken though, we'll just take the top speed upgrade.

I believe the upgrades this season are on race by race basis, so once missed you cannot double the budget for next race. However, we will spend 300k on ground effect and 300k on reliability (just what you wont do

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Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 14 Mar 2014, 09:21

pycku wrote:
Salamander wrote:Also, I believe I forgot to buy our pre-Monaco upgrade, which leaves McLaren with 1.2 million to spend right now. We will spend 300k on ground effects, 600k on top speed, and 300k on reliability. If I'm mistaken though, we'll just take the top speed upgrade.

I believe the upgrades this season are on race by race basis, so once missed you cannot double the budget for next race. However, we will spend 300k on ground effect and 300k on reliability (just what you wont do )

Nope. The upgrade budget is cumulative.

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 14 Mar 2014, 11:33

Is it? Last season I missed the upgrade for first 4 rounds and that cost me the chance to fight for the championship. However, I was not allowed to increase my upgrade budget for next 4 races...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 14 Mar 2014, 11:38

pycku wrote:Is it? Last season I missed the upgrade for first 4 rounds and that cost me the chance to fight for the championship. However, I was not allowed to increase my upgrade budget for next 4 races...

Yeah. The rule was changed for this year.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 14 Mar 2014, 16:10

our spenditure will be 500k at reliablity and 300k at grip

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 14 Mar 2014, 20:19

NEW RENAULT ENGINE UPGRADES

Renault has put up a new package for the EF2 that is now available for sale. In addition to dealing with reliability issues the engine also has mrore power to close the gap with the Ferrari engines.

The engine upgrade will cost 310,000 per car. the Renault works team will NOT buy this upgrade for the next race and will suspend engine package purchases for the works team until further notice.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 15 Mar 2014, 16:41

Williams is glad to announce a deal regarding Jean-Pier Jarier. We have done a deal with Wolf in order to secure his work for at least the rest of the european season. Details will be sent to the governing body.
We also would like to request the possibility of a deal for the whole season.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 15 Mar 2014, 16:50

Hermann95 wrote:Williams is glad to announce a deal regarding Jean-Pier Jarier. We have done a deal with Wolf in order to secure his work for at least the rest of the european season. Details will be sent to the governing body.
We also would like to request the possibility of a deal for the whole season.

Despite only doing the european season, Wolf actually had a contract with him for the full year. So you can have him for the rest of the season if roblomas52 agrees.

Now I need to know what happens to the #21 Wolf car. Will Jarier be replaced, or is the #21 withdrawn?

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 15 Mar 2014, 17:20

pi314159 wrote:
Hermann95 wrote:Williams is glad to announce a deal regarding Jean-Pier Jarier. We have done a deal with Wolf in order to secure his work for at least the rest of the european season. Details will be sent to the governing body.
We also would like to request the possibility of a deal for the whole season.

Despite only doing the european season, Wolf actually had a contract with him for the full year. So you can have him for the rest of the season if roblomas52 agrees.

Now I need to know what happens to the #21 Wolf car. Will Jarier be replaced, or is the #21 withdrawn?

Jarrier can do the rest of the season and the #21 can be taken by any pay driver wiling to pay upwards of 50k for the drive.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 15 Mar 2014, 17:49

roblomas52 wrote:
pi314159 wrote:
Hermann95 wrote:Williams is glad to announce a deal regarding Jean-Pier Jarier. We have done a deal with Wolf in order to secure his work for at least the rest of the european season. Details will be sent to the governing body.
We also would like to request the possibility of a deal for the whole season.

Despite only doing the european season, Wolf actually had a contract with him for the full year. So you can have him for the rest of the season if roblomas52 agrees.

Now I need to know what happens to the #21 Wolf car. Will Jarier be replaced, or is the #21 withdrawn?

Jarrier can do the rest of the season and the #21 can be taken by any pay driver wiling to pay upwards of 50k for the drive.

As I told andrew earlier, if you want pay drivers, pick some drivers and make them an offer.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 15 Mar 2014, 18:15

Wallio wrote:
pycku wrote:Woo-hoo! We won the race to beat the "unbeatable" Mclaren BMW combination on a race track where reliability was not an issue. Certainly happy with that result, we are organizing French party tonight in our motor home

For now, but BMW is pleased to announce the latest development in the already incredibly fruitful partnership with McLaren: The "British-Blitzkrieg" Spec. Designed with heavy input (and funding) from our partners in Woking, this new engine should restore the proper order. It is being air-freighted to McLaren and Shadow immediately, and will be available to Project-4 and Boro after the next round, for a price TBD.

And hey, you know you're doing well when having your factory cars come home 2nd and 3rd, with a semi-works car in the points as well is a "bad" day.

How much is the "British-Blitzkrieg" upgrade?

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 16 Mar 2014, 02:19

Good question, I guess we should set a price. I'll let you know very soon

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 16 Mar 2014, 08:24

roblomas52 wrote:
pi314159 wrote:
Hermann95 wrote:Williams is glad to announce a deal regarding Jean-Pier Jarier. We have done a deal with Wolf in order to secure his work for at least the rest of the european season. Details will be sent to the governing body.
We also would like to request the possibility of a deal for the whole season.

Despite only doing the european season, Wolf actually had a contract with him for the full year. So you can have him for the rest of the season if roblomas52 agrees.

Now I need to know what happens to the #21 Wolf car. Will Jarier be replaced, or is the #21 withdrawn?

Jarrier can do the rest of the season and the #21 can be taken by any pay driver wiling to pay upwards of 50k for the drive.

Thanks for this. So Jarier will do the rest of the season with us.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 17 Mar 2014, 11:04

1980 French Grand Prix - Pre-Qualifying

1. Jacky Ickx (March 801) 1:41.960
2. Clay Regazzoni (March 801) +0.708
3. Thierry Boutsen (Rebaque HR101) +1.079
4. Jean-Pierre Jabouille (Rebaque HR101) +1.243
5. Brian Henton (Surtees TS21) +1.998
6. Jochen Mass (Kauhsen WK2) +2.276
7. Chris Amon (Surtees TS21) +2.341
8. Derek Warwick (Boro 004) +2.447
9. Rene Arnoux (Boro 004) +2.608
10. Manfred Winkelhock (Kauhsen WK2) +2.646
11. Eliseo Salazar (Wolf WR9) +4.673
12. Marc Surer (ATS D3) +4.675
13. Bruno Giacomelli (ATS D3) +5.346

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 17 Mar 2014, 17:50

Back to failing to pre-qualify.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 17 Mar 2014, 18:31

Wolf would like to ask Vicky Chandhok from India if he would like to drive the #21 car for four races in exchange for 50k to 100k.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 17 Mar 2014, 18:40

roblomas52 wrote:Wolf would like to ask Vicky Chandhok from India if he would like to drive the #21 car for four races in exchange for 50k to 100k.

Chandhok has insufficient racing experience for Formula 1.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 17 Mar 2014, 20:28

1980 French Grand Prix - Qualifying:

1. James Hunt (McLaren M29) 1:39.724
2. Tom Pryce (McLaren M29) +0.668
3. Jacques Laffite (Arrows A3) +1.314
4. Patrick Depailler (Arrows A3) +1.740
5. Patrick Tambay (Shadow DN11) +2.233
6. Jody Scheckter (Brabham BT49) +2.241
7. Stefan Johansson (Shadow DN11) +2.267
8. Riccardo Patrese (Osella FA1) +2.559
9. Carlos Pace (Williams FW07B) +2.637
10. Jean-Pierre Jarier (Williams FW07B) +2.827
11. Michele Alboreto (Osella FA1) +2.838
12. Derek Daly (Project Four OP4-1) +3.167
13. Keke Rosberg (Brabham BT49) +3.243
14. John Watson (Project Four OP4-1) +3.512
15. Didier Pironi (Ligier JS11-15) +3.582
16. Elio de Angelis (Ferrari 312T5) +3.618
17. Tom Sneva (Ensign N180) +3.651
18. Nelson Piquet (Tyrrell 010) +3.778
19. Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari 312T5) +3.861
20. Alan Jones (Renault RE20) +3.918
21. Clay Regazzoni (March 801) +3.976
22. Carlos Reutemann (Ensign N180) +4.032
23. Jacky Ickx (March 801) +4.094
24. Nigel Mansell (Alfa Romeo 180) +4.220
25. Corrado Fabi (Ligier JS11-15) +4.270
26. Eddie Cheever (Alfa Romeo 180) +4.279
27. Alain Prost (Renault RE20) +4.449
28. Mario Andretti (Penske PC7) +4.471
29. Jan Lammers (Tyrrell 010) +4.523
30. Jean-Pierre Jabouille (Rebaque HR101) +4.542
31. Thierry Boutsen (Rebaque HR101) +4.704
32. Emerson Fittipaldi (Penske PC7) +4.836
33. Niki Lauda (Lotus 81) +5.133
34. Brian Henton (Surtees TS21) +5.402
35. Jochen Mass (Kauhsen WK2) +5.433
36. Rick Mears (Lotus 81) +5.448

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 17 Mar 2014, 21:47

Good qualifying for us. Jean-Piers pace was ok as he was not far behind Carlos. Maybe we can snatch some points this time.
From Matras point of few: congratulations to March. Very well done.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 18 Mar 2014, 16:57

1980 French Grand Prix - Race:

1. Tom Pryce (McLaren-BMW) 54 Laps
2. James Hunt (McLaren-BMW) +4.124
3. Patrick Depailler (Arrows-Renault) +15.375
4. Riccardo Patrese (Osella-Ferrari) +1:30.488
5. Jody Scheckter (Brabham-Matra) +1 Lap
6. Carlos Pace (Williams-Matra) +1 Lap
7. Jean-Pierre Jarier (Williams-Matra) +1 Lap
8. Keke Rosberg (Brabham-Matra) +1 Lap
9. Carlos Reutemann (Ensign-Ferrari) +1 Lap
10. Nelson Piquet (Tyrrell-Cosworth) +1 Lap
11. Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari) +1 Lap
12. Corrado Fabi (Ligier-Ferrari) +1 Lap
13. Clay Regazzoni (March-Matra) +2 Laps
14. Alain Prost (Renault) +2 Laps
15. Jan Lammers (Tyrrell-Cosworth) +2 Laps
16. Mario Andretti (Penske-Cosworth) +2 Laps
DNF Jacques Laffite (Arrows-Renault) +12 Laps / Gearbox
DNF Didier Pironi (Ligier-Ferrari) +18 Laps / Engine
DNF Eddie Cheever (Alfa Romeo) +22 Laps / Electrics
DNF Jean-Pierre Jabouille (Rebaque-Cosworth) +24 Laps / Electrics
DNF Tom Sneva (Ensign-Ferrari) +27 Laps / Accident
DNF Jacky Ickx (March-Matra) +27 Laps / Engine
DNF John Watson (Project Four-BMW) +28 Laps / Gearbox
DNF Alan Jones (Renault) +28 Laps / Brakes
DNF Patrick Tambay (Shadow-BMW) +39 Laps / Accident
DNF Nigel Mansell (Alfa Romeo) +39 Laps / Electrics
DNF Derek Daly (Alfa Romeo) +46 Laps / Engine
DNF Michele Alboreto (Osella-Ferrari) +49 Laps / Accident
DNF Elio de Angelis (Ferrari) +50 Laps / Engine
DNF Stefan Johansson (Shadow-BMW) +52 Laps / Engine

Fastest Lap: Tom Pryce (McLaren)

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 18 Mar 2014, 19:44

A glourious finish for McLaren there. Glad to see normal service has been resumed.

Our new motors are now available to customers for 65K a piece.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 18 Mar 2014, 20:01

Wallio wrote:A glourious finish for McLaren there. Glad to see normal service has been resumed.

Our new motors are now available to customers for 65K a piece.

Boro will purchase the new motors for both cars. Hopefully that will help us out on the faster tracks.

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 18 Mar 2014, 21:48

CaptainGetz12 wrote:NEW RENAULT ENGINE UPGRADES

Renault has put up a new package for the EF2 that is now available for sale. In addition to dealing with reliability issues the engine also has mrore power to close the gap with the Ferrari engines.

The engine upgrade will cost 310,000 per car. the Renault works team will NOT buy this upgrade for the next race and will suspend engine package purchases for the works team until further notice.

Just a reminder that upgrades have been posted. I feel like this message got mixed in with the thread's chatter...

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 18 Mar 2014, 21:52

How come my budget suddenly increased? have i missed something? :lol:

Anyway, if it's correct, a 200k ground effect, 50K grip and 50K speed should be fine for me!

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 19 Mar 2014, 00:54

Osella are still waiting for that Ferrari engine upgrade to materialise....

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 19 Mar 2014, 07:29

CaptainGetz12 wrote:
Just a reminder that upgrades have been posted. I feel like this message got mixed in with the thread's chatter...

As our wallet is very thin now, we have to make a decision and we transferred all our efforts to next season. The possibility to upgrade our car this season is close to 0 (maybe 1 reliability upgrade and that's all) as we are certainly in top 2, but it will cost us a lot to challenge Mclaren for the title.

I am afraid, we are not using this engine upgrade. However, Arrows are very pleased with their relationship with Renault, so we hope to sign a contract for 1981 and onwards.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 19 Mar 2014, 09:15

Well, if Arrows are not going to upgrade, then neither will McLaren. Interesting to note how confident you were before this race though...

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 19 Mar 2014, 09:17

Guy Ligier had a bit too much to drink last night, and ended up losing a 6 million dollar bet with Ligier's chief aerodynamicist, who apparently now wants to spend all of it on Ground Effects. Those crazy bastards...

Rest assured that said chief aerodynamicist will probably be the victim of Guy Ligier's latest rage-induced fight in a few days time

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 19 Mar 2014, 11:03

Now the French Grand Prix is finished Alfa Romeo will invest 200K in Grip, Speed and Reliability

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 19 Mar 2014, 12:40

Salamander wrote:Well, if Arrows are not going to upgrade, then neither will McLaren. Interesting to note how confident you were before this race though...

We don't have the resources to keep this spending war with McLaren, I am afraid. It was interesting to challenge you for the titles, but with less than 4 millions we must transfer our efforts to next year, or we will fell behind as in 1979 season. We have won one championship to enter history, so spending more money with a slight chance of an improvement in 1980 sounds worthless...

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 19 Mar 2014, 16:56

pycku wrote:
CaptainGetz12 wrote:
Just a reminder that upgrades have been posted. I feel like this message got mixed in with the thread's chatter...

As our wallet is very thin now, we have to make a decision and we transferred all our efforts to next season. The possibility to upgrade our car this season is close to 0 (maybe 1 reliability upgrade and that's all) as we are certainly in top 2, but it will cost us a lot to challenge Mclaren for the title.

I am afraid, we are not using this engine upgrade. However, Arrows are very pleased with their relationship with Renault, so we hope to sign a contract for 1981 and onwards.

Renault will be happy to have Arrows stick with the Renault engines for 1981 at least. We apoligize for not giving works status this year due to the massive transfer of staff and management during the season. We haven't chose a team-partnered team yet to get discounts but you guys will get frst preference at this rate.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 19 Mar 2014, 17:17

Almost half oof the season is over, here are some more planned rule changes for 1981:

1. Upgrades

-Upgrading will be possible in the following areas: Grip, Top Speed and Reliability
-Due to the ground effect ban, ground effect upgrades will no longer be available
-Upgrade costs will no longer be the same for every upgrade. Instead, they start at a cost of 25 000 credits, and become 25 000 credits more expensive for every upgrade. So your 5th upgrade for example costs 125 000 credits, and your 15th will already cost you 375 000 credits. This change is because every chassis allows only limited development, and it becomes more and more difficult to gain more time with an old car. So at some point, you will have to build a new chassis. Once you have built a new chassis, upgrade costs restart at 25 000 credits.

2. Revised engine building system
In addition to the new chassis regulations, new engine regulations will be introduced as well. The power difference between turbocharged and non-turbocharged engines will be increased, however building costs (but not developing costs) will be twice as high for turbocharged engines. Every engine manufacturer will get a basic budget for 1981, and will have to develop a new engine for 1981.

3. Entry list cap
To limit entry list sizes, the number of entries will be capped at 40. This doesn't include teams taking part in the 1980 season, as I don't want to kick anyone out. But 44 entries per grand prix is too much, so the entry of new teams will be delayed if 40 or more cars are entered for 1981.

In addition to that, I'm considering to increase entry fees to encourage users to run single-car teams. No decision has been madeon that though.

4. Tyre suppliers
Four different tyre suppliers will be available for 1981: Goodyear, Michelin, Pirelli and Avon. At the moment, I have no plans to make them user controlled.

5. Driver limit
The number of drivers will be limited to 8 per team and season.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 19 Mar 2014, 17:24

BMW will be seriously reconsidering our participation in F1 if we are forced to build a brand new engine after only 2 seasons. There's absolutely no reason to. Same for Mantra and Alfa.

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 19 Mar 2014, 18:25

We will be happy to continue with Renault. However, it is not the right time for negotiations, without any engine prices announced (and development system not fully clear).