A CART IndyCar Series (Indy Qualifying Results)

HawkAussie · Post by **HawkAussie** » 02 Dec 2012, 00:56

What in the world do you call that John Jones that was bad, Well done though to Jon Beekhuis for qualfying though. Scott Brayton DNQ

Malinth · Post by **Malinth** » 02 Dec 2012, 06:23

John Andretti wrote:I think we have a very good handling car here. Very little if any understeer or oversteer going into corners, and I think the only problem is the fact we still can't get the Buick gear ratios right, so we're not making the most of the engine's power, of course meaning not enough top speed. We'll try and make a few changes before the race. I'm pretty confident of a points finish, so long nobody decides to be funny and whack into me again.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 02 Dec 2012, 11:25

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   1989 Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach
 1 Teo Fabi (Porsche North America)           3:16:35.013
 2 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Penske)           3:16:48.548
 3 Al Unser, Jr. (Porsche North America)      3:17:14.172
 4 Mike Thackwell (Patrick Racing)                 +1 lap
 5 Mario Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)             +1 lap
 6 Huub Rothengatter (Patrick Racing)             +2 laps
 7 Jon Beekhuis (Kraco Racing)                    +2 laps
 8 Raul Boesel (Patrick Racing)                   +2 laps
 9 Fabrizio Barbazza (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)           +2 laps
10 Andrea de Cesaris (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)           +2 laps
11 Arie Luyendyk (Dick Simon Racing)              +3 laps
12 Roberto Moreno (Dale Coyne Racing)             +4 laps
13 Scott Pruett (Doug Shierson Racing)            +4 laps
14 Keke Rosberg (Renault IndyCar Racing)          +5 laps
15 Rick Mears (Team Penske)                       +5 laps
   Patrick Tambay (Renault IndyCar Racing)     DNF lap 84
   Scott Goodyear (Target Ganassi Racing)      DNF lap 84
   Bobby Rahal (Dick Simon Racing)             DNF lap 50
   John Andretti (Andale Racing)               DNF lap 50
   Michele Alboreto (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)         DNF lap 50
   Dennis Firestone (Team Penske)              DNF lap 50
   Bill Vukovich III (Galles Racing)           DNF lap 40
   Tommy Byrne (Theodore)                      DNF lap 40
   Danny Sullivan (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)      DNF lap 25
   Derek Daly (Galles Racing)                  DNF lap 17
   Adrian Campos (Truesports)                  DNF lap 10
   Eddie Cheever (Doug Shierson Racing)         DNF lap 5
   Michael Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)        DNF lap 5

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   1989 PPG IndyCar Series Standings
 1 Al Unser, Jr. (Porsche North America)    23
 2 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Penske)         21
 3 Teo Fabi (Porsche North America)         20
 4 Scott Brayton (Dick Simon Racing)        20
 5 Rick Mears (Team Penske)                 17
 6 Raul Boesel (Patrick Racing)             17
 7 Michael Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)    14
 8 Mike Thackwell (Patrick Racing)          12
 9 Scott Goodyear (Target Ganassi Racing)   10
10 Mario Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)      10
11 Huub Rothengatter (Patrick Racing)       8
12 A.J. Foyt (A.J. Foyt Enterprises )       6
13 Jon Beekhuis (Kraco Racing)              6
14 Scott Pruett (Doug Shierson Racing)      4
15 Fabrizio Barbazza (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)     4
16 Keke Rosberg (Renault IndyCar Racing)    3
17 Andrea de Cesaris (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)     3
18 Arie Luyendyk (Dick Simon Racing)        2
19 Kevin Cogan (Machinists Union Racing)    2
20 Dennis Firestone (Team Penske)           1
21 Roberto Moreno (Dale Coyne Racing)       1

Ferrarist · Post by **Ferrarist** » 02 Dec 2012, 12:15

Why did the Long Beach race take three hours?

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 02 Dec 2012, 12:35

Dale Coyne Racing's second driver for the Indy 500 will be Danny Ongais, if he is available.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 02 Dec 2012, 12:36

Ferrarist wrote:Why did the Long Beach race take three hours?

Heavy rain would probably be a good explanation. The real race took nearly 2 hours, so rain would probably be a good excuse for that extra hour or so.

pi314159 wrote:Dale Coyne Racing's second driver for the Indy 500 will be Danny Ongais, if he is available.

Confirmed

Ferrarist · Post by **Ferrarist** » 02 Dec 2012, 12:39

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
Ferrarist wrote:Why did the Long Beach race take three hours?

Heavy rain would probably be a good explanation. The real race took nearly 2 hours, so rain would probably be a good excuse for that extra hour or so.

But since you simulated with xkoranate, you probably just ran the same amount of laps, IndyCar did in real life, right? I'm just curious how you came to the three hours.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 02 Dec 2012, 12:43

Ferrarist wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
Ferrarist wrote:Why did the Long Beach race take three hours?

Heavy rain would probably be a good explanation. The real race took nearly 2 hours, so rain would probably be a good excuse for that extra hour or so.

But since you simulated with xkoranate, you probably just ran the same amount of laps, IndyCar did in real life, right? I'm just curious how you came to the three hours.

Yes I did. As far as I know you can't simulate rain, at least not by choice. Hmm... It's the only logical explanation for 3 hours though. Weird.

Ferrarist · Post by **Ferrarist** » 02 Dec 2012, 13:06

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Yes I did. As far as I know you can't simulate rain, at least not by choice. Hmm... It's the only logical explanation for 3 hours though. Weird.

I think I have the explanation: You ran way too slow lap times at Long Beach. The current lap record is 1:06.886 from 2006. I doubt that the CART IndyCar were 14 seconds slower than the lap record, even in the early 90's. But I wonder how you came up with these lap times.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 02 Dec 2012, 14:24

Ferrarist wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Yes I did. As far as I know you can't simulate rain, at least not by choice. Hmm... It's the only logical explanation for 3 hours though. Weird.

I think I have the explanation: You ran way too slow lap times at Long Beach. The current lap record is 1:06.886 from 2006. I doubt that the CART IndyCar were 14 seconds slower than the lap record, even in the early 90's. But I wonder how you came up with these lap times.

Yep, I've seen my mistake. Woops :oops:

Well, I'll leave it up to you guys to explain these discrepancies in any whacky way you choose

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 02 Dec 2012, 14:30

God, it was so close...

I am impressed with Mike and Huub's performances and Raul had a few troubles in the race, but we got the points and showed the car can be great for road courses

HonoraryNortherner · Post by **HonoraryNortherner** » 02 Dec 2012, 15:20

Tommy Bryne
We had a good car today, and were happy with the way the race was going, but Bill Vukovich III just didn't see us I guess. I went for the pass on the inside, and yeah I got it a little crossed up there but he should have seen me. Other than that very encouraging, since just qualifying for us was a win, let alone our pace in practice. I'm very much looking forward to working with Al Unser, Sr. at Indy where we know the Buick will be strong.

Teddy Yip
Tommy was great today. He ran real well, it was great to see. Shame about the ending of his race but that's racing. We'll come back stronger at Indy.

Autosport
It was a good debut from the brand new Theodore team at Long Beach, qualifying having shaken the car down on Wednesday morning at Sears Point. This is a team with potencial, despite not having having a sponsor yet. Buick engines and Al Unser, Sr. has to be a good superspeedway combination. They just need Tommy Bryne to calm down a little bit, his accident with Vukovich was sloppy; he just needed to be more patient. If Bryne can settle in show his talent, and the Buick keeps getting better on road courses then this team could pick up a few points on the road courses as well as being in the mix with Unser, Sr. on the superspeedways.

Autosport understands that with the revisions made to the Trofeo Alfa Romeo, Unser Sr. will be entered at Monza in the #41 Theodore car by Yip.

SeedStriker · Post by **SeedStriker** » 02 Dec 2012, 17:52

Scott did all he could in truly bad racing conditions. The crash was his fault or Tambay's? Some highlits of the race could helps all of us. I know Buddy is not that good in circuits, but he must learn to live with them.

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 02 Dec 2012, 18:03

Newman/Haas statement:

It was not the best race for us. The track was all wet and on that slippery conditions Mario with his experience fought well to take some points home. Unluckily Eddie Cheever and Michael had some accident at turn 2, which I am sure cost them both point finishes. As we said - not the best race for us, but Michael is gaining experience and we all learn from our mistakes, so we believe next time Newman/Haas team will be on top once again.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 02 Dec 2012, 18:25

Gianni Agnelli wrote:Well, despite the appalling conditions, we manged to get two cars to the finished and in the points too. With the chassis and engine still not up to maximum effiecency, we must focus on beating Renault in a head to head competition with the French manufacturer.

Salamander: Avatar challenge?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 03 Dec 2012, 06:58

Jean-Louis Depault wrote:Teo did an excellent job in the atrocious conditions in order to win the race this afternoon. Little Al in the other car was leading midway through the race but got involved in that enormous pileup on lap 50 which forced him in for a new front nose under the resulting pacecar, but third in still a solid effort for him. For Indianapolis, we'll be running a third car for Colombian Roberto Guerrero, using the number 16 car utilising a leased entry from Bettenhausen Motorsport

Malinth · Post by **Malinth** » 03 Dec 2012, 16:41

Gary Gerould wrote:Paul I'm standing here with John Andretti. John, 2 races, 2 accidents. Can't be a very motivating start huh?

John Andretti wrote:Well it's annoying because we've been doing nothing wrong. In Phoenix it was Cheever, and now... I mean I was minding my own business just keeping the car on the road, it was hard to see anything with all that spray, rain and wind. Then um suddenly I felt someone tap the back, and I managed to avoid losing the car, but then Firestone just T-boned me and that was that. I guess in conditions like this you can't really be upset at anyone, it was really hard to see anything. But yeah, really disappointed.

Gary Gerould wrote:Have you seen the replays?

John Andretti wrote:No not yet. Don't think I will really because after this we're going back to base to try and sort everything out for Indy. I think Indy can't come fast enough for us, um, same goes for all the Buick teams I think. We know we have the most powerful engine, so Indy, Michigan, Monza and to a lower extent Pocono are definitely the races we are looking forward to.

Gary Gerould wrote:Alright John one last question, are you okay?

John Andretti wrote:A bit winded but otherwise okay.

Gary Gerould wrote:Thanks John, back to you Paul.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 04 Dec 2012, 08:30

Alright I'm afraid Indy is going to have to be a bit rushed. I'll be in England beginning Thursday, and will be without a computer most likely for 2 weeks. So rather than keep you waiting, all the practice and qualifying results will be posted today shortly, with the race results coming tomorrow. Let me just explain my simplified Indy procedure.

There will be four free practice sessions, with all the cars taking part. Pretty much the same as any other practice session really. In addition to that there will be a fifth session with all the cars taking part. The difference is, the way qualifying shapes up will be based on the results here, with the top 12 being split into 'Group 1' and the rest into 'Group 2'. Regardless of how fast the cars in Group 2 are, Group 1 cars will line up in the first four rows of three, in order of how fast they qualify in qualifying. In simplified terms, a bit how the current F1 elimination system works. I chose this method to try and resemble in some way the 'Second Day Qualifying' scenarios we used to see in real life. The fastest 33 will qualify for the 500-mile sweepstakes.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 04 Dec 2012, 08:32

So, in essence, Day 2 of Qualifying is Bump Day, correct?

I always preferred the four day qualifying format myself but obviously you won't have enough time to do all that.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 04 Dec 2012, 08:51

Wizzie wrote:So, in essence, Day 2 of Qualifying is Bump Day, correct?

Yes pretty much I guess.

Okay I've looked at my schedule again, and looks like I have just a bit more time. So today I'll do the first four free practice sessions first. The fifth session will take place tomorrow with qualifying.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 04 Dec 2012, 09:32

Hope you guys don't mind it being in time instead of speed. xkoranate doesn't have an option for that unfortunately. I'll take the liberty of converting the qualifying times though

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   1989 Indianapolis 500 - Practice 1
 1 Al Unser (Theodore)                         40.702
 2 Rick Mears (Team Penske)                    40.715
 3 Pancho Carter (Patrick Racing)              40.723
 4 Arie Luyendyk (Dick Simon Racing)           40.730
 5 Scott Goodyear (Target Ganassi Racing)      40.741
 6 Scott Brayton (Dick Simon Racing)           40.752
 7 Michael Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)       40.766
 8 Raul Boesel (Patrick Racing)                40.768
 9 John Andretti (Andale Racing)               40.780
10 Bobby Rahal (Dick Simon Racing)             40.807
11 Robby Unser (Andale Racing)                 41.817
12 Mario Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)         41.837
13 Derek Daly (Galles Racing)                  41.889
14 Bill Vukovich III (Galles Racing)           41.891
15 Niki Lauda (Newman/Haas Racing)             41.950
16 Huub Rothengatter (Patrick Racing)          42.000
17 Tommy Byrne (Theodore)                      42.008
18 Dennis Firestone (Team Penske)              42.099
19 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Penske)            42.344
20 Peter Brock (Team Penske)                   42.388
21 Buddy Lazier (Target Ganassi Racing)        42.682
22 Danny Sullivan (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)      43.198
23 Al Unser, Jr. (Porsche North America)       43.206
24 Roberto Moreno (Dale Coyne Racing)          43.226
25 A.J. Foyt (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)           43.286
26 John Jones (Kraco Racing)                   44.317
27 Scott Pruett (Doug Shierson Racing)         44.325
28 Roberto Guerrero (Porsche North America)    44.327
29 Eddie Cheever (Doug Shierson Racing)        44.394
30 Danny Ongais (Dale Coyne Racing)            45.431
31 Jean-Pierre Frey (Kraco Racing)             45.448
32 Kevin Cogan (Machinists Union Racing)       45.619
33 Teo Fabi (Porsche North America)            46.121
34 Tom Sneva (Alex Morales Motorsports)        47.320
35 Patrick Tambay (Renault IndyCar Racing)     47.345
36 Adrian Campos (Truesports)                  47.415
37 Michele Alboreto (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)         48.455
38 Keke Rosberg (Renault IndyCar Racing)       48.500
39 Johnny Rutherford (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        48.560
40 Tero Palmroth (Raynor Racing)               48.813
41 Andrea de Cesaris (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        48.907
42 Rene Arnoux (Renault IndyCar Racing)        49.044

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   1989 Indianapolis 500 - Practice 2
 1 Pancho Carter (Patrick Racing)              40.702
 2 Scott Goodyear (Target Ganassi Racing)      40.706
 3 John Andretti (Andale Racing)               40.711
 4 Buddy Lazier (Target Ganassi Racing)        40.718
 5 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Penske)            40.721
 6 Rick Mears (Team Penske)                    40.760
 7 Dennis Firestone (Team Penske)              40.782
 8 Al Unser (Theodore)                         40.783
 9 Robby Unser (Andale Racing)                 40.795
10 Scott Brayton (Dick Simon Racing)           40.797
11 Peter Brock (Team Penske)                   40.810
12 Raul Boesel (Patrick Racing)                40.812
13 Bobby Rahal (Dick Simon Racing)             40.819
14 Derek Daly (Galles Racing)                  40.820
15 Michael Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)       40.849
16 Arie Luyendyk (Dick Simon Racing)           40.910
17 Huub Rothengatter (Patrick Racing)          41.003
18 Tommy Byrne (Theodore)                      41.012
19 Bill Vukovich III (Galles Racing)           41.040
20 Mario Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)         41.216
21 Niki Lauda (Newman/Haas Racing)             41.318
22 Roberto Moreno (Dale Coyne Racing)          42.715
23 Danny Ongais (Dale Coyne Racing)            42.725
24 A.J. Foyt (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)           42.790
25 Danny Sullivan (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)      42.829
26 John Jones (Kraco Racing)                   42.832
27 Roberto Guerrero (Porsche North America)    42.853
28 Al Unser, Jr. (Porsche North America)       42.943
29 Eddie Cheever (Doug Shierson Racing)        43.040
30 Jean-Pierre Frey (Kraco Racing)             43.196
31 Scott Pruett (Doug Shierson Racing)         43.467
32 Teo Fabi (Porsche North America)            43.783
33 Tero Palmroth (Raynor Racing)               45.426
34 Kevin Cogan (Machinists Union Racing)       45.439
35 Tom Sneva (Alex Morales Motorsports)        46.516
36 Rene Arnoux (Renault IndyCar Racing)        47.329
37 Keke Rosberg (Renault IndyCar Racing)       47.334
38 Adrian Campos (Truesports)                  47.524
39 Johnny Rutherford (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        47.601
40 Michele Alboreto (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)         47.724
41 Andrea de Cesaris (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        47.822
42 Patrick Tambay (Renault IndyCar Racing)     48.287

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   1989 Indianapolis 500 - Practice 3
 1 Bobby Rahal (Dick Simon Racing)             40.719
 2 John Andretti (Andale Racing)               40.745
 3 Pancho Carter (Patrick Racing)              40.749
 4 Mario Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)         40.773
 5 Tommy Byrne (Theodore)                      40.778
 6 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Penske)            40.829
 7 Scott Brayton (Dick Simon Racing)           40.859
 8 Scott Goodyear (Target Ganassi Racing)      40.907
 9 Michael Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)       40.921
10 Raul Boesel (Patrick Racing)                40.947
11 Buddy Lazier (Target Ganassi Racing)        40.997
12 Al Unser (Theodore)                         41.080
13 Arie Luyendyk (Dick Simon Racing)           41.212
14 Teo Fabi (Porsche North America)            41.801
15 Scott Pruett (Doug Shierson Racing)         41.838
16 Al Unser, Jr. (Porsche North America)       41.897
17 Roberto Guerrero (Porsche North America)    41.912
18 A.J. Foyt (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)           42.176
19 Danny Sullivan (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)      42.431
20 Rick Mears (Team Penske)                    42.644
21 Eddie Cheever (Doug Shierson Racing)        42.710
22 Jean-Pierre Frey (Kraco Racing)             42.939
23 Dennis Firestone (Team Penske)              42.965
24 Robby Unser (Andale Racing)                 42.988
25 Derek Daly (Galles Racing)                  43.001
26 Huub Rothengatter (Patrick Racing)          43.011
27 Bill Vukovich III (Galles Racing)           43.088
28 Danny Ongais (Dale Coyne Racing)            43.095
29 Niki Lauda (Newman/Haas Racing)             43.101
30 Peter Brock (Team Penske)                   43.139
31 John Jones (Kraco Racing)                   43.347
32 Kevin Cogan (Machinists Union Racing)       43.405
33 Roberto Moreno (Dale Coyne Racing)          43.615
34 Michele Alboreto (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)         44.370
35 Johnny Rutherford (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        44.571
36 Andrea de Cesaris (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        44.624
37 Tom Sneva (Alex Morales Motorsports)        44.815
38 Tero Palmroth (Raynor Racing)               45.847
39 Adrian Campos (Truesports)                  45.862
40 Patrick Tambay (Renault IndyCar Racing)     45.874
41 Rene Arnoux (Renault IndyCar Racing)        46.178
42 Keke Rosberg (Renault IndyCar Racing)       46.276

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   1989 Indianapolis 500 - Practice 4
 1 Raul Boesel (Patrick Racing)                39.647
 2 Bobby Rahal (Dick Simon Racing)             39.651
 3 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Penske)            39.681
 4 Rick Mears (Team Penske)                    39.693
 5 Tommy Byrne (Theodore)                      39.709
 6 Pancho Carter (Patrick Racing)              39.727
 7 Scott Brayton (Dick Simon Racing)           39.732
 8 Roberto Guerrero (Porsche North America)    39.749
 9 Al Unser (Theodore)                         39.767
10 Al Unser, Jr. (Porsche North America)       39.768
11 Teo Fabi (Porsche North America)            39.776
12 Scott Goodyear (Target Ganassi Racing)      39.845
13 Arie Luyendyk (Dick Simon Racing)           39.846
14 Mario Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)         39.865
15 John Andretti (Andale Racing)               39.890
16 A.J. Foyt (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)           40.057
17 Michael Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)       40.154
18 Danny Sullivan (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)      40.777
19 Eddie Cheever (Doug Shierson Racing)        40.915
20 Scott Pruett (Doug Shierson Racing)         40.932
21 Buddy Lazier (Target Ganassi Racing)        40.947
22 Peter Brock (Team Penske)                   41.869
23 Johnny Rutherford (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        41.885
24 John Jones (Kraco Racing)                   41.904
25 Michele Alboreto (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)         41.973
26 Bill Vukovich III (Galles Racing)           41.989
27 Kevin Cogan (Machinists Union Racing)       42.019
28 Huub Rothengatter (Patrick Racing)          42.024
29 Tom Sneva (Alex Morales Motorsports)        42.024
30 Jean-Pierre Frey (Kraco Racing)             42.100
31 Dennis Firestone (Team Penske)              42.186
32 Niki Lauda (Newman/Haas Racing)             42.210
33 Danny Ongais (Dale Coyne Racing)            42.285
34 Robby Unser (Andale Racing)                 42.420
35 Roberto Moreno (Dale Coyne Racing)          42.445
36 Derek Daly (Galles Racing)                  42.480
37 Keke Rosberg (Renault IndyCar Racing)       43.255
38 Patrick Tambay (Renault IndyCar Racing)     43.342
39 Andrea de Cesaris (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        43.388
40 Tero Palmroth (Raynor Racing)               44.178
41 Adrian Campos (Truesports)                  44.708
42 Rene Arnoux (Renault IndyCar Racing)        44.818

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 04 Dec 2012, 12:28

Up and down sessions for Newman/Haas, it seems it will be a real battle to enter top 12...

SeedStriker · Post by **SeedStriker** » 04 Dec 2012, 13:26

Very pleased with the result. Scott is in comfort zone, and joining the big guns for the battle to come. Buddy's talent in ovals showed in the first two sessions, but technical issues make him drop in the third one. We expect to recover his car in time for the qualify

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 04 Dec 2012, 15:12

Good work, Raul and Pancho! Let's hope it can translate into a good quali-race performance

Ferrarist · Post by **Ferrarist** » 04 Dec 2012, 17:35

Is it too late to enter a one-off entry? If it's not, I'd like to enter Rich Vogler, but with a Buick engine. As a multiple-time USAC champion, he surely should know ovals. With the lighting fast (but very fragile) Buick, he should definitely be a force at Indy.

All in all, I'm pleased with Bobby, Arie and Scotty. I think the first four, if not three rows should be ours.

BTW, I'd really question your skill judgement, if Jean-Pierre Frey bumps the likes of Keke Rosberg or Michele Alboreto off the grid. :mrgreen:

And if you need a proper theme for introducing the grid, use this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkTSr--4LRA

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 04 Dec 2012, 18:49

Ferrarist wrote:Is it too late to enter a one-off entry? If it's not, I'd like to enter Rich Vogler, but with a Buick engine. As a multiple-time USAC champion, he surely should know ovals. With the lighting fast (but very fragile) Buick, he should definitely be a force at Indy.

BTW, I'd really question your skill judgement, if Jean-Pierre Frey bumps the likes of Keke Rosberg or Michele Alboreto off the grid.

Yeah sure! We'll see how he fares

Thing is, chassis, engines along with driver skill are all factors in the skill values, and I have separate values for each circuit. Well, almost each circuit anyway. Also remember that there is a certain degree of randomness involved when it comes to xkoranate

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 04 Dec 2012, 18:57

Alfa Romeo would like to enter Jacques Villeneuve Snr, Pancho Carter, and Geoff Brabham as one-offs.

Jacques Villeneuve will be back for Poertland, Detroit, Cleveland, and Road America

Malinth · Post by **Malinth** » 04 Dec 2012, 19:01

Ferrarist wrote:And if you need a proper theme for introducing the grid, use this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkTSr--4LRA

Now that brings back goddamn memories.

John Andretti wrote:Well the first three practice sessions really showed what we already knew; that the Buick and Lola are a superb superspeedway combo. Obviously we weren't really where we would have liked to be in the fourth session, but this was down to some mechanical problems we had with the car, though it has to be said the rest of the field really improved on the faster track. The Buicks are really looking strong here, just gotta look at the Ganassis, Theodores and ourselves, Robby's done some impressive lap times. I'm confident we'll make the top 12 for qualifying, and from thereon who knows? A good strong run in the race hopefully.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 04 Dec 2012, 19:04

pasta_maldonado wrote:Alfa Romeo would like to enter Jacques Villeneuve Snr, Pancho Carter, and Geoff Brabham as one-offs.

Jacques Villeneuve will be back for Poertland, Detroit, Cleveland, and Road America

Pancho Carter's already attached to Patrick I'm afraid

Seeing all the sudden additions of one-offs, I'll wait around an hour or so to see if anyone else has any more additional entries, and then post four more practice sessions. Would make sense with the sudden influx of entries who haven't been able to practice yet.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 04 Dec 2012, 19:07

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:Alfa Romeo would like to enter Jacques Villeneuve Snr, Pancho Carter, and Geoff Brabham as one-offs.

Jacques Villeneuve will be back for Poertland, Detroit, Cleveland, and Road America

Pancho Carter's already attached to Patrick I'm afraid

Seeing all the sudden additions of one-offs, I'll wait around an hour or so to see if anyone else has any more additional entries, and then post four more practice sessions. Would make sense with the sudden influx of entries who haven't been able to practice yet.

Okay then, instead of Pancho Alfa Romeo would like to enter Mexican Josele Garza

Malinth · Post by **Malinth** » 04 Dec 2012, 19:12

Andale Announce Indy One-Off For Mike Groff

Andale Racing have announced the signing of American Racing Series star Mike Groff for a one-off outing at Indianapolis. The signing was announced right after the first week of practice at the famous Brickyard, where drivers John Andretti and Robby Unser placed strongly, with Andretti running a time fast enough for as high as second at one point. Andale officials said, "Andale Racing are delighted to announce the signing of Mike Groff for one weekend here at Indianapolis. Mike is a great talent making his way up the ladder, and we believe it's time he gained an Indy ride for all his efforts." Andale also announced that they would be reallocating Robby Unser's spare car for Groff, which of course means both drivers are now walking on a tight-rope, unless Andale make the use of John Andretti's spare available. The announcement is somewhat surprising considering Andale are normally a one-car operation barring ovals, where they run a second car for Robby Unser. However, Groff has brought sponsorship in the form of an as-yet unnamed sponsor. It will be interesting to see how Groff fares in comparison to his two teammates during next-week's practice sessions and 'knockout' round.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 04 Dec 2012, 19:24

pasta_maldonado wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:Alfa Romeo would like to enter Jacques Villeneuve Snr, Pancho Carter, and Geoff Brabham as one-offs.

Jacques Villeneuve will be back for Poertland, Detroit, Cleveland, and Road America

Pancho Carter's already attached to Patrick I'm afraid

Seeing all the sudden additions of one-offs, I'll wait around an hour or so to see if anyone else has any more additional entries, and then post four more practice sessions. Would make sense with the sudden influx of entries who haven't been able to practice yet.

Okay then, instead of Pancho Alfa Romeo would like to enter Mexican Josele Garza

Done. I must say I am impressed by Alfa's ability to run six cars :lol:

SHIERSON ANNOUNCE JEFF ANDRETTI FOR INDIANAPOLIS
INDY 500 TO SEE 4 ANDRETTIS?

Doug Shierson Racing have announced the signing of Jeff Andretti for the Indianapolis 500, in a one-off driving one of Shierson's customer March-Porsche combinations. Andretti is the youngest son of Mario and brother of Michael who are racing for Newman/Haas, and is also the cousin of John Andretti, who drives for Andale Racing. Andretti has been driving sporadically in the lower-tiers of American open-wheel racing, and has yet to be given an opportunity to shine at the top level. The opportunity to drive for Shierson, who are the secondary Porsche outfit, was one that Andretti simply could not refuse. "I couldn't believe it when I got the call from Doug Shierson. You know, I thought I was dreaming. It's a massive opportunity and I hope I impress enough to maybe get a few more drives across the season." Shierson was quoted as saying, "Jeff hasn't been given the chance to showcase his talent up till' now. We're not expecting him to beat or match Eddie and Scott off the bat, but we are confident he'll manage some very good laptimes. He's a good driver and hopefully he'll take this chance with both hands."

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 04 Dec 2012, 19:57

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Done. I must say I am impressed by Alfa's ability to run six cars

It's all down to Dolmio....

Look at the beauty of our car. Look at it. Just LOOK AT IT.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 04 Dec 2012, 20:17

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Pancho Carter's already attached to Patrick I'm afraid

Seeing all the sudden additions of one-offs, I'll wait around an hour or so to see if anyone else has any more additional entries, and then post four more practice sessions. Would make sense with the sudden influx of entries who haven't been able to practice yet.

Okay then, instead of Pancho Alfa Romeo would like to enter Mexican Josele Garza

Done. I must say I am impressed by Alfa's ability to run six cars

Impressive and incredibly odd to say the least. Especially considering it's only the team's third race and the car's an absolute dog anyway

Ferrarist · Post by **Ferrarist** » 04 Dec 2012, 20:21

Wizzie wrote:
Impressive and incredibly odd to say the least. Especially considering it's only the team's third race and the car's an absolute dog anyway

It could be worse. At least he isn't Dany Bahar or Andy Evans. :lol:

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 04 Dec 2012, 20:22

Ferrarist wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Impressive and incredibly odd to say the least. Especially considering it's only the team's third race and the car's an absolute dog anyway

It could be worse. At least he isn't Dany Bahar or Andy Evans.

Alfa Romeo thinking: The more cars you enter the bigger chance you'll have of one of them making it to the race :lol:

Complete and utter bullshite logic obviously

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 04 Dec 2012, 20:23

Ferrarist wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Impressive and incredibly odd to say the least. Especially considering it's only the team's third race and the car's an absolute dog anyway

It could be worse. At least he isn't Dany Bahar or Andy Evans.

He's getting pretty damn close though :lol:

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 04 Dec 2012, 20:28

Alright guys, final four practice sessions!

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   1989 Indianapolis 500 - Practice 5
 1 A.J. Foyt (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)           39.649
 2 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Penske)            39.657
 3 Scott Brayton (Dick Simon Racing)           39.678
 4 Michael Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)       39.696
 5 Al Unser (Theodore)                         39.747
 6 Rick Mears (Team Penske)                    39.786
 7 Roberto Guerrero (Porsche North America)    39.794
 8 Bobby Rahal (Dick Simon Racing)             39.800
 9 Mario Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)         39.808
10 Raul Boesel (Patrick Racing)                39.925
11 Arie Luyendyk (Dick Simon Racing)           40.500
12 Michele Alboreto (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)         40.707
13 Teo Fabi (Porsche North America)            40.739
14 Eddie Cheever (Doug Shierson Racing)        40.764
15 Danny Sullivan (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)      40.815
16 Tommy Byrne (Theodore)                      40.840
17 Al Unser, Jr. (Porsche North America)       40.875
18 Johnny Rutherford (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        40.901
19 John Andretti (Andale Racing)               40.939
20 Scott Goodyear (Target Ganassi Racing)      40.968
21 Rich Volger (Dick Simon Racing)             40.978
22 Buddy Lazier (Target Ganassi Racing)        40.998
23 Scott Pruett (Doug Shierson Racing)         41.013
24 Tom Sneva (Alex Morales Motorsports)        41.869
25 Pancho Carter (Patrick Racing)              41.886
26 Robby Unser (Andale Racing)                 41.904
27 Danny Ongais (Dale Coyne Racing)            41.910
28 Bill Vukovich III (Galles Racing)           41.914
29 Patrick Tambay (Renault IndyCar Racing)     41.962
30 Andrea de Cesaris (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        42.117
31 Derek Daly (Galles Racing)                  42.130
32 Huub Rothengatter (Patrick Racing)          42.176
33 Roberto Moreno (Dale Coyne Racing)          42.268
34 Dennis Firestone (Team Penske)              42.397
35 Kevin Cogan (Machinists Union Racing)       42.511
36 John Jones (Kraco Racing)                   42.606
37 Keke Rosberg (Renault IndyCar Racing)       42.759
38 Niki Lauda (Newman/Haas Racing)             43.038
39 Rene Arnoux (Renault IndyCar Racing)        43.198
40 Jeff Andretti (Doug Shierson Racing)        43.207
41 Jean-Pierre Frey (Kraco Racing)             43.213
42 Mike Groff (Andale Racing)                  43.223
43 Peter Brock (Team Penske)                   43.260
44 Tero Palmroth (Raynor Racing)               43.300
45 Geoff Brabham (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)            43.338
46 Josele Garza (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)             43.481
47 Adrian Campos (Truesports)                  43.554
48 Jacques Villeneuve  (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)      43.663

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   1989 Indianapolis 500 - Practice 6
 1 Rick Mears (Team Penske)                    39.679
 2 Roberto Guerrero (Porsche North America)    39.686
 3 Scott Brayton (Dick Simon Racing)           39.704
 4 Michael Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)       39.721
 5 Arie Luyendyk (Dick Simon Racing)           39.770
 6 Mario Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)         39.775
 7 Al Unser (Theodore)                         39.788
 8 Bobby Rahal (Dick Simon Racing)             39.817
 9 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Penske)            40.239
10 Raul Boesel (Patrick Racing)                40.457
11 A.J. Foyt (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)           40.583
12 John Andretti (Andale Racing)               40.734
13 Rich Volger (Dick Simon Racing)             40.756
14 Michele Alboreto (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)         40.758
15 Al Unser, Jr. (Porsche North America)       40.859
16 Danny Sullivan (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)      40.909
17 Johnny Rutherford (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        40.927
18 Pancho Carter (Patrick Racing)              40.946
19 Scott Pruett (Doug Shierson Racing)         41.015
20 Tommy Byrne (Theodore)                      41.093
21 Buddy Lazier (Target Ganassi Racing)        41.166
22 Scott Goodyear (Target Ganassi Racing)      41.206
23 Teo Fabi (Porsche North America)            41.421
24 Eddie Cheever (Doug Shierson Racing)        41.509
25 Roberto Moreno (Dale Coyne Racing)          41.924
26 Robby Unser (Andale Racing)                 41.929
27 Derek Daly (Galles Racing)                  41.979
28 Bill Vukovich III (Galles Racing)           41.987
29 Dennis Firestone (Team Penske)              41.988
30 Danny Ongais (Dale Coyne Racing)            42.005
31 Niki Lauda (Newman/Haas Racing)             42.006
32 Andrea de Cesaris (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        42.027
33 John Jones (Kraco Racing)                   42.068
34 Keke Rosberg (Renault IndyCar Racing)       42.156
35 Kevin Cogan (Machinists Union Racing)       42.159
36 Tom Sneva (Alex Morales Motorsports)        42.256
37 Patrick Tambay (Renault IndyCar Racing)     42.305
38 Huub Rothengatter (Patrick Racing)          42.367
39 Rene Arnoux (Renault IndyCar Racing)        43.198
40 Jacques Villeneuve  (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)      43.222
41 Adrian Campos (Truesports)                  43.320
42 Josele Garza (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)             43.352
43 Jean-Pierre Frey (Kraco Racing)             43.421
44 Mike Groff (Andale Racing)                  43.445
45 Jeff Andretti (Doug Shierson Racing)        43.454
46 Tero Palmroth (Raynor Racing)               43.558
47 Peter Brock (Team Penske)                   43.570
48 Geoff Brabham (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)            43.572

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   1989 Indianapolis 500 - Practice 7
 1 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Penske)            39.764
 2 A.J. Foyt (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)           39.826
 3 Michael Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)       39.891
 4 Arie Luyendyk (Dick Simon Racing)           39.896
 5 Rick Mears (Team Penske)                    39.915
 6 Al Unser (Theodore)                         39.936
 7 Scott Brayton (Dick Simon Racing)           39.998
 8 Raul Boesel (Patrick Racing)                40.100
 9 Mario Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)         40.113
10 Bobby Rahal (Dick Simon Racing)             40.124
11 Roberto Guerrero (Porsche North America)    40.424
12 Rich Volger (Dick Simon Racing)             40.647
13 Eddie Cheever (Doug Shierson Racing)        40.668
14 Al Unser, Jr. (Porsche North America)       40.704
15 John Andretti (Andale Racing)               40.704
16 Scott Goodyear (Target Ganassi Racing)      40.725
17 Tommy Byrne (Theodore)                      40.760
18 Danny Sullivan (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)      40.822
19 Teo Fabi (Porsche North America)            40.929
20 Scott Pruett (Doug Shierson Racing)         40.994
21 Robby Unser (Andale Racing)                 41.709
22 Pancho Carter (Patrick Racing)              41.726
23 Johnny Rutherford (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        41.730
24 Danny Ongais (Dale Coyne Racing)            41.783
25 Roberto Moreno (Dale Coyne Racing)          41.807
26 Niki Lauda (Newman/Haas Racing)             41.810
27 Michele Alboreto (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)         41.856
28 Buddy Lazier (Target Ganassi Racing)        41.859
29 Dennis Firestone (Team Penske)              42.869
30 Tom Sneva (Alex Morales Motorsports)        42.900
31 Patrick Tambay (Renault IndyCar Racing)     42.910
32 Derek Daly (Galles Racing)                  42.957
33 Jeff Andretti (Doug Shierson Racing)        43.021
34 Andrea de Cesaris (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        43.038
35 Mike Groff (Andale Racing)                  43.045
36 Bill Vukovich III (Galles Racing)           43.052
37 Kevin Cogan (Machinists Union Racing)       43.076
38 Jacques Villeneuve  (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)      43.106
39 Keke Rosberg (Renault IndyCar Racing)       43.139
40 Huub Rothengatter (Patrick Racing)          43.547
41 Geoff Brabham (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)            43.790
42 Josele Garza (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)             44.236
43 Tero Palmroth (Raynor Racing)               44.268
44 Rene Arnoux (Renault IndyCar Racing)        44.309
45 Adrian Campos (Truesports)                  44.367
46 John Jones (Kraco Racing)                   44.429
47 Peter Brock (Team Penske)                   44.959
48 Jean-Pierre Frey (Kraco Racing)             45.319

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   1989 Indianapolis 500 - Practice 8
 1 Al Unser (Theodore)                         39.701
 2 A.J. Foyt (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)           39.749
 3 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Penske)            39.753
 4 Michael Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)       39.794
 5 Raul Boesel (Patrick Racing)                39.802
 6 Bobby Rahal (Dick Simon Racing)             39.834
 7 Arie Luyendyk (Dick Simon Racing)           39.868
 8 Mario Andretti (Newman/Haas Racing)         39.874
 9 Scott Brayton (Dick Simon Racing)           40.158
10 Rick Mears (Team Penske)                    40.275
11 Roberto Guerrero (Porsche North America)    40.312
12 Tommy Byrne (Theodore)                      40.721
13 Scott Goodyear (Target Ganassi Racing)      40.765
14 Eddie Cheever (Doug Shierson Racing)        40.836
15 Scott Pruett (Doug Shierson Racing)         40.837
16 Teo Fabi (Porsche North America)            40.891
17 Danny Sullivan (A.J. Foyt Enterprises)      41.044
18 John Andretti (Andale Racing)               41.075
19 Al Unser, Jr. (Porsche North America)       41.111
20 Rich Volger (Dick Simon Racing)             41.235
21 Buddy Lazier (Target Ganassi Racing)        41.701
22 Pancho Carter (Patrick Racing)              41.723
23 Roberto Moreno (Dale Coyne Racing)          41.726
24 Johnny Rutherford (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        41.802
25 Danny Ongais (Dale Coyne Racing)            41.937
26 Michele Alboreto (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)         41.974
27 Niki Lauda (Newman/Haas Racing)             42.078
28 Robby Unser (Andale Racing)                 42.156
29 Kevin Cogan (Machinists Union Racing)       42.872
30 Geoff Brabham (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)            42.881
31 Andrea de Cesaris (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)        42.893
32 Patrick Tambay (Renault IndyCar Racing)     42.899
33 Huub Rothengatter (Patrick Racing)          42.900
34 Tom Sneva (Alex Morales Motorsports)        42.918
35 Jeff Andretti (Doug Shierson Racing)        42.944
36 Jacques Villeneuve  (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)      42.964
37 Dennis Firestone (Team Penske)              43.108
38 Mike Groff (Andale Racing)                  43.122
39 Bill Vukovich III (Galles Racing)           43.205
40 Keke Rosberg (Renault IndyCar Racing)       43.212
41 Derek Daly (Galles Racing)                  43.930
42 Tero Palmroth (Raynor Racing)               44.195
43 Adrian Campos (Truesports)                  44.196
44 Peter Brock (Team Penske)                   44.225
45 Rene Arnoux (Renault IndyCar Racing)        44.227
46 Josele Garza (Alfa Romeo S.p.A)             44.291
47 John Jones (Kraco Racing)                   44.354
48 Jean-Pierre Frey (Kraco Racing)             44.995

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 04 Dec 2012, 20:30

If Moreno and Ongais continue like this, they can both make it into the race. Good to see that they improved from their performance in the third and fourth practice session.

Ferrarist · Post by **Ferrarist** » 04 Dec 2012, 20:51

Rich is doing pretty well. Too bad he died in real life 1990.

Nonetheless, I'm pleased with the performance of my drivers, and I hope that we'll survive Indy.*

* Followers of my Indy Championship Series know that oval races tend to have a high attrition rate.