Your Reject of the Race - Singapore

Post by **Londoner** » 22 Sep 2012, 14:08

Bruno Senna is walking his way towards this. Shown up by the Reverend big time, and hit the wall yet again in quali.

Pamphlet · Post by **Pamphlet** » 22 Sep 2012, 14:52

Early nomination for Bruno Senna for proving, once again, that he does not deserve to be in F1. I can understand not being a qualifying God, but he's made that wall his. It's like he wants to marry it or something.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 22 Sep 2012, 14:59

I'm already nominating Pastor Maldonado, because he is bound to crash out tomorrow, most likely with Hamilton again...

Bob · Post by **Bob** » 22 Sep 2012, 15:45

Preemptive nomination:

Pastor Maldonado - binned it yet again

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 22 Sep 2012, 16:14

Senna of course so far, but Kobayashi as well - this seems to be a real bogey track for him.

Post by **mario** » 22 Sep 2012, 18:19

Ed24 wrote:Senna of course so far, but Kobayashi as well - this seems to be a real bogey track for him.

To be fair to him, whilst Kobayashi has struggled fairly heavily around this track Perez hasn't been doing a great deal better either - this has been one of Sauber's weakest tracks in the past few years. Their best result here was 6th in 2008, back when they were under the ownership of BMW, whilst as an independent team their best result was the 10th place that Perez took last year; the characteristics of this circuit, with its stop-start nature, don't really favour Sauber's current car all that much (think about the relatively poor performance they put in in Hungary, for example).

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 22 Sep 2012, 20:29

Candidates for ROTR are at the moment:

Caterham: For fighting the Marussias again instead of the Toro Rossos

Sauber: For probably their weakest qualifying performance this year so far

Bruno Senna: He hit this wall 3 times so far and starts from P17, while his teammate qualifyed second.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 22 Sep 2012, 21:27

My current nomination is Bruno Senna- destroyed by the Reverend in qualy, and had that bizarre scrape with the wall. Caterham get an honorable mention too.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 23 Sep 2012, 00:56

I am nominating Senna and Caterham at the moment

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 23 Sep 2012, 02:41

My nominations after qualy:

Bruno Senna - If he's really feeling the pressure of Bottas breathing down his neck, then that performance was NOT the way to respond
Caterham - They seem to be going backwards with every passing race now, to the point where Timo Glock looks like he might actually be bothered to push the Marussia to the limit again
Sauber - Slow all round this weekend bodes badly for any potential race result
Eddie Jordan - Adrian Sutil to Ferrari? Now I've heard it all. Kudos to Stefano Domenicali for keeping it together when EJ asked who's driving for Ferrari next year.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 23 Sep 2012, 02:41

Definately Bruno Senna - this is the second time he has binned it early on while his team-mate goes on to qualify on the front row (the first time was Barcelona).

Also, Pedro de la Rosa, for being out-qualified by Narain Karthikeyan (on Karthikeyan's first visit to the circuit, no less!) for the second consecutive race, and by over a second.

Wizzie wrote:Eddie Jordan - Adrian Sutil to Ferrari? Now I've heard it all. Kudos to Stefano Domenicali for keeping it together when EJ asked who's driving for Ferrari next year.

To be fair to EJ, the Sutil-to-Ferrari rumours are not new. He was mentioned as a potential replacement when there was talk that Massa would be dropped in the middle of the season.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 23 Sep 2012, 12:08

Once again, Caterham

sswishbone · Post by **sswishbone** » 23 Sep 2012, 13:24

Schumacher - WTF was that you idiot?

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 23 Sep 2012, 13:27

Schumacher, for causing another pointless accident.
Good job losing fifth with outings like this in WCC Mercedes.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 23 Sep 2012, 13:50

McLaren's unreliability deserves a nomination sooner or later. It has been shocking since the summer break.

Pamphlet · Post by **Pamphlet** » 23 Sep 2012, 14:11

My previous nomination remains.

Bruno Senna - Horrendous qualifying performance, MURDEROUS defending in the race.
Allan McNish and the other stewards - Schumacher penalized even though the crash was caused by a brake failure? Webber penalized? Senna not penalized for his murderous defense? Perez not penalized? Appalling.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 23 Sep 2012, 14:16

I'll nominate

1 Schumacher time to retire your reaction times are going
2 Hulkenburg Running into both Saubers
3 Mclaren's unreliability

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 23 Sep 2012, 14:16

1. Shumacher: To take a quote from Brawn: "What was that? What was that?".

2. Senna: Awful day for the Brazilian.

14 Hundred Hours · Post by **14 Hundred Hours** » 23 Sep 2012, 14:18

The person who decided to put Eddie Jordan on the podium! Why??!!??!!
But seriously. Schumacher.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 23 Sep 2012, 14:19

Schumacher, Hulkenberg and anyone else causing silly accidents.

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 23 Sep 2012, 14:20

Schumacher takes the cake for me. Hulkenberg comes a close second though.

LellaLombardi · Post by **LellaLombardi** » 23 Sep 2012, 14:24

I want to say Schumacher but I will reserve judgement as it could have been a car failure.

So for me it is Sauber, sadly. Both their drivers did a reasonable job out there, Kamui was maybe a bit banzai, but their pace really let them down.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 23 Sep 2012, 14:29

14 Hundred Hours wrote:The person who decided to put Eddie Jordan on the podium! Why??!!??!!
But seriously. Schumacher.

i actually thought he was good.....

Post by **mario** » 23 Sep 2012, 14:35

dr-baker wrote:McLaren's unreliability deserves a nomination sooner or later. It has been shocking since the summer break.

I wonder, though, if in this instance it might have been down to the fact that, on Hamilton's second flying lap in Q3, he whacked the wall on the exit of Turn 21 - that lateral load through the gearbox might have been enough to damage something (perhaps an oil seal - Vettel mentioned that he thought he saw traces of oil smoke a few laps before Hamilton retired). If the team knew something was up, though, judging by what was said over the radio, why didn't they change his gearbox? Better to take the penalty and some points today rather than risk a failure and no points, plus a penalty for Hamilton in Japan to rub salt into the wounds.

That said, there are a whole host of other nominees for this weekend - Schumacher's weird accident with Vergne probably takes it for me (although it was worth it for the pure comedy gold that came with the "What was that?" comment). Even if there was something wrong with the car (which is possible), it still kind of sums up how Schumacher's season has been going.
That said, the clashes between Hulkenberg and both Sauber drivers (the incident with Perez was a little more excusable since he did make a fairly late move, but the incident with Kobayashi seemed a bit stranger) and Caterham's pit lane blunder with Petrov (at least they warned Petrov before he left the pits) have to rank pretty highly too.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 23 Sep 2012, 14:44

Caterham for losing the 10th position in the championship to Marussia.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 23 Sep 2012, 14:55

Sauber- nowhere all race. Thats not how to overtake Mercedes in the race for 5th.

SeedStriker · Post by **SeedStriker** » 23 Sep 2012, 15:15

This could go to pirelli for the awful choice of tires, but for the latter part of the race...

Reliability: because it cost Hamilton an enormus chance of getting closer to Alonso, Schumi's brakes (apparently) and butchered both Williams out of a well planned race (The Reverend was on race pace and Bruno was recovering from doing Gran Turismo's wallride all weekend)

Catherham: The Toyota of the lower teams. All the money, no results.

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 23 Sep 2012, 15:20

1. Eddie Jordan's shirt.

2. Felipe Massa, for causing a crash with a Caterham and arriving in top ten due to the safety car.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 23 Sep 2012, 15:23

The safety car: Pretty much killed the race for the win.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 23 Sep 2012, 15:30

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:The safety car: Pretty much killed the race for the win.

Both times, they had no other options. It would have been too dangerous for the marshals to remove his car without the safety car. And after the Schumacher/Vergne crash there was too much debris.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 23 Sep 2012, 15:38

pi314159 wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:The safety car: Pretty much killed the race for the win.

Both times, they had no other options. It would have been too dangerous for the marshals to remove his car without the safety car. And after the Schumacher/Vergne crash there was too much debris.

Yeah, I know that, I wasn't questioning the decision to put it out there. Just lamenting what might've been.

Benetton · Post by **Benetton** » 23 Sep 2012, 15:53

1. Kamui Kobayashi - What a horrible weekend for him. And what was he thinking when he pushed Webber off the circuit limits (Webber had to yield and ended up with all four wheels of the circuit to no fault of his own, Kamui gave him no space). I don't see why Kamui should not get a grid penalty for the next GP.

2. Caterham - No progress, loses out to Marussia for 10th in the standings. Heikki takes out Petrov's wing on first lap?

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 23 Sep 2012, 16:08

1 - Caterham - The Fernandez/Air Asia/Malysian/British/Fake Lotus/New Toyota/Fake Caterham/QPR/whatever team now look like they're getting beaten by Marussia on raw pace alone, and if HRT's 2013 car is a s good as they say it is, the green machines may be overtaken by them as well. And that's before any mention of an appalling weekend that ought to see them hang their heads in shame and go cry in a corner. Boo, and if you will, Hiss.

2 - Pastor's Hydraulics - Come on, the one time he's actually going to finish a race in the points, and they fail?

Dishounorable Mentions:

Sauber - An appalling weekend that is in stark contrast to Monza, including an off-the-pace car and two stupid collisons with Hulkenberg in as many laps.

Karthikeyan - What was that? Reject gold - yes, 'The world's fastest Indian' - Maybe, talented driver - definately not.

Meatwad · Post by **Meatwad** » 23 Sep 2012, 16:33

I nominate Michael Schumacher for causing a dangerous crash, ruining STR's chance of a double points finish.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 23 Sep 2012, 17:02

1) Schumacher. I usually give him the benefit of the doubt, but there's no excuse for that crash!!

2) Sauber - Wrong strategy for Perez, and Kobayashi was nowhere all weekend.

fjackdaw · Post by **fjackdaw** » 23 Sep 2012, 17:03

Since street circuits are prime for crashes, and therefore I feel they're more forgiveable, I'm going to go against the grain and nominate Mark Webber for rapidly becoming the Filipe Massa of Red Bull. Anonymous and long way behind the winner.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 23 Sep 2012, 17:07

Bronze: Mark Webber - he's been up there for consideration every race since Jamie & Enoch wrote the article on him to be honest.

Silver: Narain Karthikeyan - That crash was just pathetic

Gold: Michael Schumacher. Honestly if someone like Maldonado or Grosjean had done that they'd have been hung, drawn and quartered. Just retire already.

Dan B · Post by **Dan B** » 23 Sep 2012, 17:32

Lots of nominations today:
Schumacher: Did the same thing as last year. Again. Unless there was something deep within the brakes that made him crash into Vergne, that was inexcusable.
Caterham: Beaten by Marussia in the standings and at one point both Marussias were running ahead of both Caterhams, before Pic finished 16th. Wasn't this supposed to be the year they were going into the points?
Sauber: Singapore is not a good circuit for saving tires, and really the only one who managed to do that was Button and even he knew where to draw the line while Perez stayed out far longer than necessary. That, and Kobayashi was anonymous as ever, and was VERY erratic (and not the good kind of erratic either).

Dishonorable mentions:

Mark Webber: Yes he finishes in the points. Yes he is consistent. Here's the thing; the most I have seen him finish in is towards the back end of the points along the Saubers, Williams, and Force Indias. Heck, Force India is becoming faster (as usual for the team since they do well in the last few races), Sauber is generally in the points, and Williams hover around 8th to 11th anyway. But this is a driver who is capable of reaching the top of the grid and at one point was considered a possible champion. I know he has a seat with Red Bull next year, but I'm seriously thinking it might be his last. Sure, one can say Massa hasn't been doing well, with poor qualifying and a rocky start of the season (plus Webber does have more points), but comparing driving from this GP and Monza, it sure seems Massa is the better driver.

I'm not going to nominate Karthikeyan because honestly it looks like he had a suspension failure. It seems that when he crashed he was trying to get the car to turn as much as possible and the car didn't want to do anything but go straight.

Post by **Londoner** » 23 Sep 2012, 18:07

No contest - Michael Schumacher. Just retire mate. It may well have been the brakes, but that seems like a piss-poor excuse for missing your braking point and clattering Vergne at a million miles an hour. :roll:

Honourable mentions

Caterham - Godawful all weekend long.

Stewards - Was there any real need to investigate the cars cutting the 1st corner at the start? It's perfectly normal for that to happen. Fools. :roll:

Sauber - Poor in quali, and over-aggressive during the race.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 23 Sep 2012, 18:11

Caterham for all that money and talent and promise it has pretty much come to nothing really, don't know why they have slid towards oblivion