Massive budget rejects!!

Chewie · Post by **Chewie** » 04 Nov 2009, 18:40

So Toyota are consigned to history, and their billions bought no wins and a few podiums.

But who are the mega rich rejects of all time?

Jaguar - Ford Groups massive folly and shame on a great brand.

Honda - At least they have won championships with their engine; but as a team they spent a fortune, won nothing and jumped ship while having a great race winning car in the wings; idiots!!

Toyota - The biggest waste of money ever? who walked into a Toyota dealers because they had an F1 team? (so they won nothing and can't even say it helped shift cars!)

BMW - so much promise, such good drivers, no bottle!

And what about further back in time? what of the big money teams we all forgot? Alfa Romeo anyone?

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 04 Nov 2009, 19:17

Peugeot, at least as an engine constructor.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 04 Nov 2009, 19:18

Alfa Romeo of the 1980's maybe, go back to the 1950's and they were very successful indeed. Italian teams in the 1950's are what British teams are now.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 04 Nov 2009, 20:19

thehemogoblin wrote:Peugeot, at least as an engine constructor.

I see your Peugeot, and I raise you a Subaru!

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 04 Nov 2009, 20:24

kostas22 wrote:
thehemogoblin wrote:Peugeot, at least as an engine constructor.

I see your Peugeot, and I raise you a Subaru!

But Subaru didn't have a massive budget.

Regardless, I re-raise with Yamaha.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 04 Nov 2009, 20:28

thehemogoblin wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
thehemogoblin wrote:Peugeot, at least as an engine constructor.

I see your Peugeot, and I raise you a Subaru!

But Subaru didn't have a massive budget.

Regardless, I re-raise with Yamaha.

Can I wade in with Ferrari when they're not supplying themselves?

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 04 Nov 2009, 21:00

I don't think so, because they probably make a conscious effort to de-tune their engines on the way out the door.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 04 Nov 2009, 22:26

How expensive was the Lambo effort, back in the days? Chrysler must have paid quite a bit, no? Or was their budget 35p plus lunch for the mechanic?

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 04 Nov 2009, 22:37

Considering the Porsche V12 cost about $1.27 to create (it was just two TAG V6s stuck together) I'm expecting the same sort of effort from Lambo.

rffp · Post by **rffp** » 05 Nov 2009, 10:10

Ligier from 1987 to 1992 can be considered rejectworthy material. They had a budget higher than Benetton but no worthy results, besides achieving 3 pointless seasons in that interval.

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 05 Nov 2009, 11:46

Surely with their bailout from F1 confirmed, it has to be Toyota?

Valrys · Post by **Valrys** » 05 Nov 2009, 12:18

rffp wrote:Ligier from 1987 to 1992 can be considered rejectworthy material. They had a budget higher than Benetton but no worthy results, besides achieving 3 pointless seasons in that interval.

Really? Have you got a source for budgets from that era? I'd be very interested in it

Chewie · Post by **Chewie** » 05 Nov 2009, 13:52

Chewie wrote:So Toyota are consigned to history, and their billions bought no wins and a few podiums.

But who are the mega rich rejects of all time?

Jaguar - Ford Groups massive folly and shame on a great brand.

Honda - At least they have won championships with their engine; but as a team they spent a fortune, won nothing and jumped ship while having a great race winning car in the wings; idiots!!

Of course I've just realised that the teams that finished first and second this year; Brawn and Red Bull, were previously Honda and Jaguar!

It's not just massive budgets you need to succeed, patience helps too!!!

Tealy · Post by **Tealy** » 05 Nov 2009, 16:38

Chewie wrote:
Chewie wrote:So Toyota are consigned to history, and their billions bought no wins and a few podiums.

But who are the mega rich rejects of all time?

Jaguar - Ford Groups massive folly and shame on a great brand.

Honda - At least they have won championships with their engine; but as a team they spent a fortune, won nothing and jumped ship while having a great race winning car in the wings; idiots!!

Of course I've just realised that the teams that finished first and second this year; Brawn and Red Bull, were previously Honda and Jaguar!

It's not just massive budgets you need to succeed, patience helps too!!!

And you can guarantee BMW would have been back near the top next season if they didnt bail too.

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 07 Nov 2009, 13:38

The version of Ligier that ran from the mid-80s until the sale to de Rouvre and later Briatore in the early 90s was funded by the French government. They were the Toyota of their day.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 07 Nov 2009, 15:57

Here's predicting "Lotus" 1Malaysia are the next Toyota. Heck, they look like they could end up with Trulli and Kobayashi as drivers!

AllTorque · Post by **AllTorque** » 07 Nov 2009, 19:41

kostas22 wrote:Here's predicting "Lotus" 1Malaysia are the next Toyota. Heck, they look like they could end up with Trulli and Kobayashi as drivers!

as long as Kobayashi gets a drive next season I don't mind, even if it means another season of the Trulli train

rffp · Post by **rffp** » 07 Nov 2009, 23:33

Valrys wrote:
rffp wrote:Ligier from 1987 to 1992 can be considered rejectworthy material. They had a budget higher than Benetton but no worthy results, besides achieving 3 pointless seasons in that interval.

Really? Have you got a source for budgets from that era? I'd be very interested in it

Unfortunately I don't have those numbers, just a memory!

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 09 Nov 2009, 20:54

Ferrari from 1991 since 1995, and Forti in 1995

Nin13 · Post by **Nin13** » 10 Nov 2009, 04:37

Chewie wrote:So Toyota are consigned to history, and their billions bought no wins and a few podiums.

But who are the mega rich rejects of all time?

Jaguar - Ford Groups massive folly and shame on a great brand.

Honda - At least they have won championships with their engine; but as a team they spent a fortune, won nothing and jumped ship while having a great race winning car in the wings; idiots!!

Toyota - The biggest waste of money ever? who walked into a Toyota dealers because they had an F1 team? (so they won nothing and can't even say it helped shift cars!)

BMW - so much promise, such good drivers, no bottle!

And what about further back in time? what of the big money teams we all forgot? Alfa Romeo anyone?

I think Honda and Toyota are way ahead in this area...... They spend almost $400-500 million every year till 2007 but not much success.

Atleast BMWs budget was half of other 2 and managed a win, a pole, lots of podiums.... once 2nd in WCC 2007, once 3rd in WCC 2008.... and Kubica was genuine title contender in 2008 untill he fell out of equation.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 10 Nov 2009, 05:40

Nin13 wrote:Atleast BMWs budget was half of other 2 and managed a win, a pole, lots of podiums.... once 2nd in WCC 2007, once 3rd in WCC 2008.... and Kubica was genuine title contender in 2008 untill he was removed from the equation by BMW so they could focus on what turned out to be the utter shambles that was 2009

There. Fixed :lol:

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 13 Nov 2009, 00:45

Toyota in 2005 for being stupid enough to sign Ralf Schumacher.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 13 Nov 2009, 18:12

Cynon wrote:Toyota in 2005 for being stupid enough to sign Ralf Schumacher.

Thats the last time anyone will buy Ralf at Michael prices...

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 13 Nov 2009, 21:31

Cynon wrote:Toyota in 2005 for being stupid enough to sign Ralf Schumacher.

That is a VERY good point!

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