Your Reject of the Race - Monza!
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Between Webber and Sauber.
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Re: Your Reject of the Race - Monza!
3rd...Sauber. Double retirement with mechanical issue is rare nowadays, and very costly this time for Sauber.
2nd...Mark Webber. Only 5th in qualifying and then collision with Massa, destroying his front wing and that caused the race-ending accident.
1st...Vitantonio Liuzzi. Home race, last-placed in the grid (for the first time this year) and then takes out himself and two others at the first corner.
2nd...Mark Webber. Only 5th in qualifying and then collision with Massa, destroying his front wing and that caused the race-ending accident.
1st...Vitantonio Liuzzi. Home race, last-placed in the grid (for the first time this year) and then takes out himself and two others at the first corner.
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Bleu wrote:3rd...Sauber. Double retirement with mechanical issue is rare nowadays, and very costly this time for Sauber.
2nd...Mark Webber. Only 5th in qualifying and then collision with Massa, destroying his front wing and that caused the race-ending accident.
1st...Vitantonio Liuzzi. Home race, last-placed in the grid (for the first time this year) and then takes out himself and two others at the first corner.
Completely agreed. I make those my three nominations, in that exact same order, for the exact same reasons.
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Gotta give it to Webber for taking himself out in a way that could totally have been avoided if he had had a few working braincells on his drive back to the pits. Especially so because with the Red Bull, he should have recovered to take some decent points.
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i'm going for the obvious, Vitantonio, because it was way too clumsy to not get ROTR
(but webber deserved it very much too)
(but webber deserved it very much too)
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Tonio Liuzzi is way too obvious, so my other nomination to balance it is...
Sauber for double retirement - even the most tyre-saving car with a good driver (Perez) won't help you when mechanical failure kicks in.
Sauber for double retirement - even the most tyre-saving car with a good driver (Perez) won't help you when mechanical failure kicks in.
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Mark Webber. I could be more generous but his teammate literally minced the opposition over the weekend while he went nowhere and fast.
Vitantonio Liuzzi. Caused an old fashioned pile up at race start. It won't win him any friends.
But the winner would be... Sauber. Not just for this race. They had a very promising season start, then things quickly started to go downhill. They are managing to make their good drivers look silly. As a Kobayashi fan I am very crossed with them. That's why they are ROTR.
Vitantonio Liuzzi. Caused an old fashioned pile up at race start. It won't win him any friends.
But the winner would be... Sauber. Not just for this race. They had a very promising season start, then things quickly started to go downhill. They are managing to make their good drivers look silly. As a Kobayashi fan I am very crossed with them. That's why they are ROTR.
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Mark Webber. Not good for a number 2 driver. And also becuase I have a bet with a friend who'll finish highest in the standings at the end of the season, he has Button and I have Webber. (We both agreed we couldn't pick Vettel as defending champion, and he got first choice after flipping a coin). Vettel is taking him to the cleaners.
An honourable first mention of the thread to Schumacher for all his "2 moves" blocking of Hamilton, thought it wasn't quite as bad as what he did on Rubens in Hungary last year!
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The Mountain Man wrote:But the winner would be... Sauber. Not just for this race. They had a very promising season start, then things quickly started to go downhill. They are managing to make their good drivers look silly. As a Kobayashi fan I am very crossed with them. That's why they are ROTR.
Sauber's 2011 season appears to be the reverse of last season, where they improved dramatically after a dreadful start to the season. This time, they've started brilliantly, but are now faltering.
Although both Sauber and Webber have very good cases for ROTR, they were beaten to a pulp by Liuzzi. If it were not for D'Ambrosio's spin in the pitlane in Hungary, that pile-up would be the single most rejectworthy moment in F1 since Canada 2008!
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East Londoner wrote:Sauber's 2011 season appears to be the reverse of last season, where they improved dramatically after a dreadful start to the season. This time, they've started brilliantly, but are now faltering.
Force India have also had the reverse of 2010, this season, they've started anonymously, although not as bad as they ended 2010. And they're currently 5th best team.
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I think we know who's going to get the nominations this time, though I have to say that Williams showed their general rejectworthy status yet again by somehow failing to get points in a race where only 12 drivers in the so-called top teams actually finished! If you can't take your chances when everyone else is screwing up...
2nd - Webber : That was just very, very silly.
1st - Liuzzi : Genius reject driving. Hey Tonio, you know on an F1 computer game where you can make a brilliant start, weave all over the place, overtake loads of cars, cut the corner and get away with it? Well, real F1 doesn't work like that.
2nd - Webber : That was just very, very silly.
1st - Liuzzi : Genius reject driving. Hey Tonio, you know on an F1 computer game where you can make a brilliant start, weave all over the place, overtake loads of cars, cut the corner and get away with it? Well, real F1 doesn't work like that.
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Liuzzi for not having enough common sense to back off the throttle while being blocked by a SLowtus. At the very least he would then have spun and it wouldn't have been his fault. For chucking a Cristiano da Matta, Liuzzi should be reprimanded somehow. Maybe a one race ban so that HRT sticks another pay driver in there!
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This is a no-brainer. Luizzi wins reject by a country mile, way to Leeroy Jenkins the field and cause the proverbial track blocking pileup on the first turn.
Sauber's Gearboxes for honorable mention.
Sauber's Gearboxes for honorable mention.
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Webber is pretty high up on my list.
Sauber Gearboxes when I think about it. How about Hamiltons inability to get past Schumi then when Button has a go he flies by and subsequently pulls away?
Ricciardo on the grid? Or Maldonado during quali (Unless that doesnt count)
Sauber Gearboxes when I think about it. How about Hamiltons inability to get past Schumi then when Button has a go he flies by and subsequently pulls away?
Ricciardo on the grid? Or Maldonado during quali (Unless that doesnt count)
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Bleu wrote:Sauber. Double retirement with mechanical issue is rare nowadays, and very costly this time for Sauber.
Reminds me of Arrows in 98. Cant remember the race but it was when they were about 20m from each other down the pit straight and both engines exploded simultaneously. I bet Peter Sauber felt like Tom Walkinshaw then
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I'm not going to change my vote, but I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Maldonado. He was 7th in the early stages, but the only time we saw him was when he was being overtaken. Had a fantastic chance to score points, and blew it again.
I thought Williams wold never stoop as low as getting a pay driver. He is simply not good enough for F1.
I thought Williams wold never stoop as low as getting a pay driver. He is simply not good enough for F1.
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AdrianSutil wrote:I'm not going to change my vote, but I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Maldonado. He was 7th in the early stages, but the only time we saw him was when he was being overtaken. Had a fantastic chance to score points, and blew it again.
He does this every other race, it seems. He has some qualifying ability, but not much else. Maldonado is the poor man's Jarno Trulli.
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I'd give it to Sauber. Two mechanical retirements and both were in the top 10 in one of the practices.
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BlindCaveSalamander wrote:AdrianSutil wrote:I'm not going to change my vote, but I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Maldonado. He was 7th in the early stages, but the only time we saw him was when he was being overtaken. Had a fantastic chance to score points, and blew it again.
He does this every other race, it seems. He has some qualifying ability, but not much else. Maldonado is the rich man's Jarno Trulli.
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Re: Your Reject of the Race - Monza!
Like many others said:
3. Webber
2. Sauber
1. Luizzi
3. Webber
2. Sauber
1. Luizzi
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Come on guys, it really wasn't so much Tonio's fault. Yes, he took a few people out, and ruined the races of a few others, but he was squezed a lot into turn 1, and was bumped by the Sauber into the big shark fin, not fishtail, that caused the wreck.
Hell, I wouldn't even blame Webber so much for his incident with Massa. He could've cut the corner, but chose not to, shouldn't he get a ribbon for begin a good boy for doing that?
Hell, I wouldn't even blame Webber so much for his incident with Massa. He could've cut the corner, but chose not to, shouldn't he get a ribbon for begin a good boy for doing that?
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Liuzzi - no question...
a shout for hamilton too, just cos it took him 21 laps to do what button did in 1 lap!
a shout for hamilton too, just cos it took him 21 laps to do what button did in 1 lap!
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BlindCaveSalamander wrote:AdrianSutil wrote:I'm not going to change my vote, but I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Maldonado. He was 7th in the early stages, but the only time we saw him was when he was being overtaken. Had a fantastic chance to score points, and blew it again.
He does this every other race, it seems. He has some qualifying ability, but not much else. Maldonado is the poor man's Jarno Trulli.
It's a shame Williams have fallen as badly as they have. Maldonado will almost certainly be there in 2012, purely because of money
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I'm going to say Daniel Riccardo - when was the last time someone stalled on the grid?
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Captain Hammer wrote:I'm going to say Daniel Riccardo - when was the last time someone stalled on the grid?
That was what I thought as well. My immediate reaction was; "nobody stalls a modern F1 car!".
But I'm gonna give it to Webber.
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Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:That was what I thought as well. My immediate reaction was; "nobody stalls a modern F1 car!".
Well, if you look at Webber's starts this season, it looks like Aussie drivers do
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I will say Liuzzi for RoTR with Webber my second nomination.
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AdrianSutil wrote:I'm not going to change my vote, but I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Maldonado. He was 7th in the early stages, but the only time we saw him was when he was being overtaken. Had a fantastic chance to score points, and blew it again.
I thought Williams wold never stoop as low as getting a pay driver. He is simply not good enough for F1.
Maldonado still comfortably beat Barrichello home (although Rubens was caught up in the first chicane melee), so I wouldn't say it was that bad a race for him. I think the Williams is just an awful car, and it wasn't surprising that he fell back behind the Toro Rossos and a Renault.
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muttley wrote:Well, if you look at Webber's starts this season, it looks like Aussie drivers do
According to Christian Horner, Vettel was within one hundred rpm of duplicating Webber's bad start in Belgium.
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Hamilton for taking so long to pass Michael &/or whoever possibly gave him the wrong set up &/or HAM again for being a bit too circumspect, knowing that if he tried anything overly aggressive on Schumi, he'd get it back 10 times over. (& Jensen made him look a bit silly!) & he dozed off at the safety car.
Liuzzi obviously..
Webber....
Liuzzi obviously..
Webber....
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Captain Hammer wrote:muttley wrote:Well, if you look at Webber's starts this season, it looks like Aussie drivers do
According to Christian Horner, Vettel was within one hundred rpm of duplicating Webber's bad start in Belgium.
Horner: "Great news, Webber! Vettel almost stalled on the grid. He is human after all!"
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Ed24 wrote:AdrianSutil wrote:I'm not going to change my vote, but I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Maldonado. He was 7th in the early stages, but the only time we saw him was when he was being overtaken. Had a fantastic chance to score points, and blew it again.
I thought Williams wold never stoop as low as getting a pay driver. He is simply not good enough for F1.
Maldonado still comfortably beat Barrichello home (although Rubens was caught up in the first chicane melee), so I wouldn't say it was that bad a race for him. I think the Williams is just an awful car, and it wasn't surprising that he fell back behind the Toro Rossos and a Renault.
It was sadly mildly amusing trying to see Barrichello trying to get going again after that first corner mishap. The marshalls pulled the Williams back so he could drive around the other 'parked' cars, yet Rubens then got ther car beached on one of the chicane kerbs, and it took the marshalls some time to get him back off the kerbs and onto the race track again. All this probably cost him 3/4 of a lap...
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How about ROTR for Australian Drivers in General? One loses his front wing in a very silly manner, and crashes because of the lack of said wing, in a very silly manner, and the other stalls on the grid, in a very silly manner. Such silliness!
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How about Rejectdom for the Jamaican drivers on the grid? Because there aren't any, bobsled!
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