Grand Prix Rejects

James1978

Alonso winning it in 2008 is bad enough!

James1978

I forgot Pironi was second in the 1982 British GP behind Lauda, and I almost completely discounted him since he didn't complete the year! Oh well, that makes 1983 more open since Pironi didn't compete in any further seasons! Right educated guesses from 1983 to the present day! 1983: Prost (I believe...

James1978

Nelson Piquet Jr for "You Lucky B******d" (though did he scrape enough other points finishes in 2008 not to need his flukey safety-car induced 2nd at Hockenheim?) Yes, he had a 4th in Fuji. (and a 6th in Hungary, but that wasn't needed). I still think he'd be a worthwile addition though. ...

James1978

Now that I did NOT expect - I know Laffite won 1981 under Bleu's alternative system, but thought Piquet would have got this one on wins! 1982 is anyone's I have to say. Only Lauda of the regular contenders that year is eliminated - Laffite was nowhere in reality, Jones had retired, Villeneuve was ki...

James1978

I was having a look through the Hall Of Shame last night and was thinking could there me any possible new contenders in there, since there don;t appear to be many entries in there since 2000! Here's some I was thinking Nelson Piquet Jr for "You Lucky B******d" (though did he scrape enough ...

James1978

Gets a bit unfair when you have to include drivers who have lost their seat or are out injured (Trulli/Ralf in 2004)! I'll do one for 2008 as there were no replacements that year: The standings after Italy were: 1. Lewis Hamilton 78 2. Felipe Massa 77 3. Robert Kubica 64 4. Kimi Raikkonen 57 5. Nick...

James1978

As a result of "Spy-gate", McLaren are expelled from the 2007 Championship and stripped of all Constructors points, and also as their car was deemed to have been illegal for copying ideas from another team, the drivers Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton's results from the year were all exp...

James1978

One this gets to about the mid-80s, I think I'm going to try to predict all the champions from that point to date - I don't really know enough about the sport from earlier, and I know the one year which I think is REALLY hard to predict will be 1982 because of how open it was. Most of the main conte...

James1978

redbulljack14 wrote:
James1978 wrote:Also 1st podium for Trulli (in a Prost!) at Hockenheim!

To be fair, the Prost was a very competitive car in 1997, Panis was 3rd in the championship before his injury.

Actually you're right - Panis was challenging for 2nd in this championship, before his Canada crash.

James1978

Final standings: 1. Villeneuve 83 (7 wins, 2 3rds) 2. Frentzen 53 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 4 3rds) 3. Alesi 45 (1 win, 3 2nds, 1 3rd) 4. Coulthard 39 (2 wins, 2 2nds) 5. Hakkinen 34 (1 win, 2 2nds, 1 3rd) 6. Irvine 32 (5 2nds) 7. Berger 30 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) 8. Fisichella 29 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) 9. Herbe...

James1978

Villenueve is confirmed chapion after Austria - with 3 races left, he is 31 points ahead of closest challenger Frentzen, and 33 points ahead of the nearest opposition from a rival team (Alesi).

James1978

Also 1st podium for Trulli (in a Prost!) at Hockenheim!

James1978

AS we all know, Michael Schumacher was stripped of his 2nd place in the 1997 WC standings due to his professional foul at Jerez in the last race of the season. However, in an alternative reality, it is deemed that losing a 2nd place in the championship but keeping all his results throughout the year...

James1978

I'm confused, BOTH Lauda and Scheckter are ineligible for 1975 onwards due to them tying for most wins in 1974? I thought only one driver got taken out of the reckoning per year?

But great thread, can't wait to see what happens when you reach the 80s!

James1978

Blimey even Grosjean gets points in 2009! Surprised Alguersuari doesn't though! And poor old Badoer misses out too! And Glock is the only eligible regular driver not to score points so far this year? Great idea though, really enjoyed reading it - now I wonder what might happen if you go backwards wh...

James1978

I remember Autosport publishing an article at the start of the year when the new points system came in about any possible changes to past years based on this points sytem, but I can't remember what they were, except Timo Glock wouldn't have been the enemy of all Brazilians in 2008!

Keep it coming!

James1978

A win for Nelson Piquet Jr. Well I never!

He also wouldn't have had to crash in Singapore without Alonso there.

That turned out to be a lot closer between Massa and Kubica than I imagined. I thought Massa would have walked it!

James1978

Though if it were up to me I would just have expelled Alonso. This IS entirely up to you - why not just expell Alonso and redistribute the points - be interesting to see whether Raikkonen or Hamilton has more to gain from this... Think I'll do both actually, since Alonso did play a part in the whol...

James1978

No real surprises there for 2007. It seems staggering how worse the Toro Rosso drivers fared compared to 06 mind you, even after Vettel replaced Speed!

James1978

The other alternative championships I was thinking of doing based on a similar theme were 1997 without Michael Schumacher only (as he was kicked out because of Jerez-gate), but I had originally thought the race results would be revised rather than him being able to keep his wins/placings, it was suc...

James1978

I knew 2006 would be close between Fisi and Massa! 15 points for Super Augri is brilliant! (nothing for Sakon Yamamoto though - he should have been there in the early part of the year which would have been missing an extra driver infront - Montoya and Villeneuve before they left the sport). Also rea...

James1978

orders to crash into an opponent or otherwise remove them from a given position (not sure this has ever happened in F1) I'm more or less certain this has never happened, but I remember one occasion where I was worried it would - Jerez 1997 after Schumacher, ahem, eliminated himself and failed to ta...

James1978

As a newcomer to the board I thought I'd suggest one not mentioned before - the 1989 Tyrrell after Jean Alesi joined the team, and they got Camel sponsorship on the rear of the car - it looked like someone had done a cut-and-shut job of the Tyrrell at the front and the Lotus of the era at the back. ...

James1978

So I was wrong, Hill would not have been second to Irvine after all! More curiosities: I didn't do a constructor's championship becuase Ferrari had only one car, but Irvine's points equal the two Benetton drivers put together which means Ferrari would have won it on countback, with Jordan 3rd and Sa...

James1978

Japan: Surprise, surprise another dominant win for Irvine. Crucially, Ralf Schumacher's engine failure stops teammate Hill from catching either Benetton driver for 2nd/3rd in the championship by clearing out a position. 1. Irvine 2. Hill 3. Alesi 4. Fisichella 5. Wurz 6. Herbert Final Standings: 1. ...

James1978

Luxembourg: Another win for Irvine, but crucially both Benettons beat Hill in their battle for 2nd in the championship. 1. Irvine 2. Fisichella 3. Wurz 4. Hill 5. Alesi 6. Barrichello Standings with just Japan left: 1. Irvine 99 2. Wurz 53 3. Fisichella 51 4. Hill 47 5. Alesi 37 6. R Schumacher 35 7...

James1978

Italy: A wonderful homecoming for Irvine at the home of the Tifosi, and stepping up to the plate to win in his teammate's enforced absence! The Jordans draw ever closer to the Benettons! 1. Irvine 2. R Schumacher 3. Alesi 4. Hill 5. Fisichella 6. Takagi Standings: 1. Irvine 89 2. Wurz 49 3. Fisichel...

James1978

Belgium: More aggro from Ralf as team orders prevent him from attacking Hill after a large lead for Hill is wiped out by a safety car for Fischella colliding with Nakano when lapping him. The Benettons miss a golden opportunity to close the points gap to Irvine! 1. Hill 2. R Schumacher 3. Alesi 4. D...

James1978

Hungary: Easy win for Hill as leader Irvine's car breaks down in the early stages. 1. Hill 2. Alesi 3. Fisichella 4. R Schumacher 5. Herbert 6. Diniz! Standings: 1. Irvine 79 2. Wurz 49 3. Fisichella 39 4. Hill 31 (he's certainly gaining on those Benettons!) 5. Alesi 27 6. R Schumacher 23 7. Herbert...

James1978

Germany: Jordan dominate, but Ralf is annoyed as the team gave Hill a better one-stop strategy to his two-stop, when he was the leading Jordan driver in the championship (but not any more!). Plus he loses his home race! Fisichella just beats Irvine for best of the rest. 1. Hill 2. R Schumacher 3. Fi...

James1978

Glad you like it shinji!! Austria: Easy win for irvine after front-row sharers Fisichella and Alesi collide. Jordan score a double podium!! 1. Irvine 2. R Schumacher 3. Hill 4. Herbert 5. Wurz 6. Trulli (Nakano missing a point by one place sadly ) Standings: 1. Irvine 76 2. Wurz 48 3. Fisichella 35 ...

James1978

Great Britain: Irvine and the Benettons pull further away! 1. Irvine 2. Wurz 3. Fisichella 4. R Schumacher 5. Nakano 6. Takagi (Double points finish for Japan!) Standings: 1. Irvine 66 2. Wurz 46 3. Fisichella 35 4. Alesi 19 5. Herbert 16 6. Barrichello 11 7. R Schumacher 8 8. Hill 7 9. Salo 6 10. M...

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France: Goes to form as the top 6 drivers in the chapionship so far score all the points! 1. Irvine 2. Wurz 3. Alesi 4. Herbert 5. Fisichella 6. Barrichello Standings: 1. Irvine 56 2. Wurz 40 3. Fisichella 31 4. Alesi 19 5. Herbert 16 6. Barrichello 11 7. Hill 7 8. Salo 6 9. R Schumacher 5 10. Magnu...

James1978

Canada: Easy win for Fisichella as his main two rivals Wurz and Irvine are delayed due to start pile-up: 1. Fisichella 2. Irvine 3. Wurz 4. Barrichello 5. Magnussen 6. Nakano Standings: 1. Irvine 46 2. Wurz 34 3. Fisichella 29 4. Alesi 15 5. Herbert 13 6. Barrichello 10 7. Hill 7 8. Salo 6 9. R Schu...

James1978

Monaco: The "wrong" Benetton wins for the championship as Wurz collides with...er...a Ferrari that he thinks is beside him but isn't. Also Hill just about holds off Nakano for the final point (boo!): 1. Fisichella 2. Irvine 3. Salo 4. Diniz (yay!) 5. Herbert 6. Hill Standings: 1. Irvine 40...

James1978

Spain: Irvine and Fisichella crash while disputing the lead, leaving the spoils for Wurz! 1. Wurz 2. Barrichello 3. Herbert 4. Trulli (opening his account0 5. Alesi 6. R Schumacher Standings: 1. Irvine 34 2. Wurz 30 3. Alesi 15 4. Herbert 11 5. Fisichella 9 6. Barrichello 7 7. Hill 6 8. R Schumacher...

James1978

San Marino: 1. Irvine 2. Alesi 3. R Schumacher (wow, he gets off the mark way earlier than i thought he would have!) 4. Tuero!!!! 5. Salo 6. Hill (did enough laps to be classified) Standings: 1. Irvine 34 2. Wurz 20 3. Alesi 13 4. Fisichella 9 5. Herbert 7 6. Hill 6 7. R Schumacher 4 8. Tuero 3 9=. ...

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Argentina: Goes by the formbook so far with Irvine just beating Wurz after a spirited battle! 1. Irvine 2. Wurz 3. Alesi 4. Fisichella 5. Hill 6. Barrichello Standings: 1. Irvine 24 2. Wurz 20 3. Fisichella 9 4. Herbert 7 (ahead of Alesi becuase he had a 2nd in Australia) 5. Alesi 7 6. Hill 5 7= Pan...

James1978

Brazil: Benettons dominate with only Irvine putting up any sort of challenge! 1. Wurz 10 2. Fisichella 6 3. Irvine 4 4. Alesi 3 5. Magnussen 2 6. Herbert 1 (he did enough laps to be eligible for points despite retiring with 4 laps left!) Standing after 2 rounds: 1=: Irvine/Wurz 14 3: Herbert 7 4: Fi...

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Australia:

Only 5 drivers eligible complete enough laps to qualify for points, so no 6th place point awarded:

1. Irvine 10
2. Herbert 6
3. Wurz 4
4. Hill 3
5. Panis 2

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