Grand Prix Rejects

James1978

One more for tonight, it's 1984 Elio De Angelis 200.5 (3 wins, 3 2nds, 3 3rds*) (what a totally cool points total!) Rene Arnoux 169 (2 wins, 3 2nds*, 2 3rds) Michele Alboreto 138 (4 wins, 1 2nd) Derek Warwick 112 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) Patrick Tambay 95 (1 win, 2 3rds) Ayrton Senna 89.5 (2 wins*, 1 ...

James1978

Also forgot to add - not only unrejectification but a PODIUM in Monaco for Danny Sullivan!

James1978

Next one! 1983 Alain Prost 213 (6 wins, 1 2nd) Rene Arnoux 183 (4 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd) Patrick Tambay 160 (1 win, 5 2nds, 3 3rds) John Watson 104 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) - not bad for a non-turbo that year! Eddie Cheever 98 (3 2nds, 2 3rds) Jacques Laffite 97 (1 win, 2 3rds) Derek Warwick 69 (1 3rd, 2...

James1978

To continue: 1982 Note: Lauda makes his comeback but he too is ineligible as he was champion in 1975. Keke Rosberg 172 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 2 3rds) John Watson 151 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd) Didier Pironi 135 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds) Michele Alboreto 133 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) Alain Prost 120 (2 wins, 2 2nds...

James1978

OK, based on the ones Bleu has already completed, and tommykl is currently doing a similar based on Bernie's medals system, this is the same principle as all previous champions are eliminated from the results, only this time every year uses the 2010 points-scoring system of 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 ...

James1978

How about posting what the standings would be for this year so far, or would that be too predictable (a Red Bull walkover?)

By rejects eligible only, do you mean everyone is eligible until they unrejectify themselves, or qualified rejects only?

James1978

Sorry to be resurrecting an old thread - but both this format of alternative chamionship (and the one based on most wins in a season which tommykl is currently doing) have really fascinated me. I have been playing around looking at doing a similar thing where all previous champs are ineligible, but ...

James1978

To be honest I'm surprised Sauber didn;t keep him on at the start of the year, instead of PDLR, I can think he was picked as a foil for Kobayashi but Heidfeld had immediate reacing experience and surely his stenghts are in similar areas?

James1978

Interesting that the two Ferrari drivers could be facing each other in the quarters, and Hamilton will be against one of his two best mates in the sport.

James1978

I have to say Hamilton (sadly) and Bridgestone too.

But the good news is the first makes the championship more interesting, and the second is Bridgestone are leaving the sport at the end of the year!

James1978

Boutsen, what the...... Actually I'm pleased becuase I always felt a bit sorry for him when he got shunted out of Williams to make way for Mansell just as they were about to be the fastest team, and had to go to Ligier when they were more or less a reject team! If Patrese doesn't win 1990 (Nannini m...

James1978

I thought Benetton getting Ferrari's discarded 27 and 28 in 1996 would have been really cool, Alesi and Berger both move teams together and in the process keep the same numbers they had before!

James1978

There wasn't really much to comment on last time I'm sorry to say!

Surprises here: Schumacher beating Villeneuve in 1996 considering their respective machinery! Schumacher beating Irvine in 1999 despite missing a lot of races.

What race did Magnussen qualify 6th for in 1997?

James1978

To be honest, I thought it was a total no-brainer for Ferrari to get Alonso in front of Massa at Hockenheim by whatever means they could, if you ask me it was nothing like Austria 2002 (championship situation and race situation as Vettel wasn't far behind them). I agree the the rule is totally unwor...

James1978

I did read an article a couple of years ago (late 2008 I think) that Alonso (2005), Raikkonen and Hamilton would all have been driving the iconic #27 when they won the world championships if they hadn't brought in the new system based on previous year's championship, in 1996. Benetton/Renault would ...

James1978

Not quite sure on the best forum for this, as it covers past and present, but I wondered if there was a definitive method that the teams use of assigning car numbers to drivers? I know the only one to be set in stone is the defending champion gets #1 and his teammate gets #2, but there doesn't seem ...

James1978

Surprised how poor Senna does in 1987 compared to 1986, the Lotus was no worse compared to Williams/McLaren that year, he even finshed higher in the championship for real!

Also surprised how far down the Benettons are in 1988 and 1990, and also Mansell is ahead of Prost in 1990!

James1978

Definitely approve of Arnoux and Tambay being champions!

Also amazed John Watson only scorres 1 point in 1982, considering how close he came in reality!

James1978

The Flight to the Finals Roundup: All drivers currently competing in the 2010 F1 season have a mathematical possibilty of getting into the Wildcard Playoffs. *Bruno Senna follows in uncle Ayrton's footsteps, only completely outdoing him by winning in his first season with a far, far inferior car*

James1978

Just as I do in the other alternative threads, I'm going to predict all the other champions from 1981 to date (I hope I'm not spoiling but I've had a fair few wrong in the "previous champions are eliminated" championships)!! 1981: Jones 1982: Arnoux 1983: Tambay 1984: Piquet 1985: Senna 19...

James1978

How about Rene Arnoux for "Hang Up The Keys"?

I'm thinking of the years he was at Ligier in the late 80s trundling around at the back, DNQing several times and blocking everyone lapping him (especially Prost), when he was in his 40s and the legendary James Hunt comment at Monaco.

James1978

Very tempted to say Vettel for this actually given the standard of machinery at his disposal and the number of blunders he's made!

James1978

Amazed how well Nakajima seems to be doing under this sytem!

James1978

I can't stop laughing at what Alex Wurz did at Magny-Cours that year.

James1978

13. Bertrand Gachot 10 (1 win - Monaco of all places!) That stunned me actually - in reality he only came 6th but the only drivers to finish ahead of him were Senna, Mansell, Patrese, Schumacher and Brundle! I also thought before I started doing it the champion would be Alesi becuase he was really ...

James1978

I was just browsing this forum for what year had Alternative Championships done, and I noticed 1992 hadn't been. I decided to remove Williams, McLaren and Benetton from the results (as those three teams hogged the podiums in all races a bit like the top 3 teams did in 2002, with the exception of a c...

James1978

So even if Benetton hadn't been DQ'd in Belgium 1988, Boutsen still would have lost by having one less 2nd place?

James1978

Vettel - he made more blunders than all the other candidates put together I thought!

James1978

SPAIN Massa loses victory after a tragic mistake at his 2nd pit-stop which leaves him with less fuel than necessary to complete the race.Alonso inherits a home win.Only 4 cars complete the 90% rave distance. Alonso 10 Massa 8 Heidfeld 6 Rosberg 5 Hamilton came 9th, 1 lap down, so surely he should g...

James1978

Wonder if anything changes if you just do a straight top-16 shootout over the last 4 races (i.e. 1st v 16th, 2nd v 15th, 3rd v 14th etc.)? I'd do it if I knew where I could find a website that told you points standings part-way through seasons gone by, but the only ones I know of just have them at s...

James1978

This will be good reading for me when you reach the 80s/90s/00s, so keep doing it!

James1978

Wish Piquet had actually won 1981. Then we'd have had Fabi and Nakajima race winners by now!

James1978

I could be being thick, but I'm wondering why Keke Rosberg who didn;t have a drive at the start of the year hasn't been considered for any of these vacant seats?

James1978

Wow, Piquet would have won 1986 if Senna had still been eligible then?

He must walk 1987 surely, then 1988-91 will be VERY interesting!

James1978

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Okay, so we're halfway through the 84' season. Do you guys think I should continue with 1985?

YES!!! (I know I ain't commented on this thread so far, but it is GOOD!)

James1978

Same (from 1986 onwards) as the last one I did but with Berger for 1988 and Boutsen for 1990 then.......(other years unchanged). I think Mansell should benefit most from Senna's absence in 1986 anyway, he'll get an extra win at Jerez and Detroit possibly too (as Laffite, Prost and Alboreto all out t...

James1978

Wow, Senna champion as early as 1985, that's insane!! (That puts all my predictions completely out due to the knock-on effect), 1988 will probably now be Berger or Boutsen, and 1990 will be Boutsen if he doesn't win 1988 or Nannini!! Plus strangely a real-life champion will not win at all under this...

James1978

OK - here are results of the 1983 turbo-only championship, I think I'll call it the "Jean-Pierre Jabouille Trophy" with him being the first ever driver of a turbo car, the results are as follows: Alain Prost 71 (4 wins, 4 2nds, 2 3rds) Nelson Piquet 70 (5 wins, 2 2nds, 2 3rds) Rene Arnoux ...

James1978

I've done 1983 too - not going to post the full results as by the end of the year there were so few non-turbos in the field that you basically had to just finish to get a podium! But the "winner" was Keke Rosberg despite missing South Africa having got turbos, John Watson was a clear secon...

James1978

1982 Jim Clark Cup! Keke Rosberg 67 (4 wins, 3 2nds, 2 3rds) John Watson 53 (4 wins, 2 2nds) Michele Alboreto 50 (2 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd) Niki Lauda 42 (2 wins, 3 2nds) Elio De Angelis 32 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rds) Riccardo Patrese 22 (2 wins, 1 3rd) Derek Daly 21 (3 3rds, 1 4th) Eddie Cheever 18 (1 2nd,...

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